Stop In the Name of Love Quiz

[eme]

2006 ncaa

Equipment check between periods. Official rolls ball up and down and sideways
and ball rolls out each time. Pocket is not too deep. Other official says, "Uh-oh...this stick has two stops."

Your ruling?

[farside268]

It depends on what you're referring to as a stop. If you're referring to the piece of foam tape at the base of the head, we've been told that is not what the rule book is referring to as a stop. Technically, the stop is the plastic portion at the bottom of the head. The rules reference to multiple stops is a holdover from the wooden stick era, when the stop was a seperate piece of leather that kept the ball from sliding into the deep groove caused by the two sides of the head.

[LaxRef]

I have no foul unless someone can document for me where this mythical "crosse with two stops is illegal" rule comes from. I've never seen it in the rulebook.

[eme]

Since the 2006 ncaa rules and procedures are so explicit now on stick checks I think we can stay out trouble by simply following their directives.

No foul. Stick is legal.

Which brings up another question. These 2006 ncaa clarifications are great for a number of rules and situations throughout the ncaa book. But the 2006 Fed. book won't have 99% of them. We all hoped that LaxRef's Exhaustive (Every ncaa/Fed. difference) and his Working (top 20 or so differences) list of NCAA/Federation rule differences would both be reduced for 2006. Now I am not so sure.

[LaxRef]

Which brings up another question. These 2006 ncaa clarifications are great for a number of rules and situations throughout the ncaa book. But the 2006 Fed. book won't have 99% of them. We all hoped that LaxRef's Exhaustive (Every ncaa/Fed. difference) and his Working (top 20 or so differences) list of NCAA/Federation rule differences would both be reduced for 2006. Now I am not so sure.

I will do my best to compile them, but I do not believe it will be reduced.

Long-term, I am working on some ideas to get the rule differences reduced.

[Laxref_36]

I have no foul unless someone can document for me where this mythical "crosse with two stops is illegal" rule comes from. I've never seen it in the rulebook.

Laxref,

I havent researched the two stops rule yet, but I do know that there is a measurement specification from the top of the head to the stop (unexposed, or exposed surface based on NFHS or NCAA). The problem with two stops is that it may change that measurment to be less than 10 inchs.

LR_36

[LaxRef]

I havent researched the two stops rule yet, but I do know that there is a measurement specification from the top of the head to the stop (unexposed, or exposed surface based on NFHS or NCAA). The problem with two stops is that it may change that measurment to be less than 10 inchs.

It may change the legality for an NFHS non-keeper stick, but not an NCAA stick, since the measurement in NCAA is to the unexposed edge of the stop.

Anyway, I think that the two-stop rule, if it exists, is made moot by the rollout test. The only reason to keep someone from having two stops is because it might tend to hold in the ball. And anyway, if you make it illegal to have two stops, there's nothing to prevent someone from having one really thick stop that's thicker than 2 standard stops.

[laxfan25]

Since the quiz specifically says '06 NCAA, I agree with LaxRef that there is nothing in the book that I can find that prohibits multiple stops. Also, in regard to LR36's question about dimensions, in the NCAA book for non-goalie sticks, the measurement for head length is a min. of 10" from the outside of the head to the farthest UNexposed edge of the stop - and IMO the stop is the foam thingie glued tot he plastic head at the bottom of the head. So in reality you could have multiple stops laminated together and the measurement won't change, it'll still be legal.
What I find interesting are the two statements on the stop vis-a-vis the ball, one in Crosse- Dimensions and the other in the next section - Crosse - Construction.
In Dimensions it says "wide enough to permit the ball to rest loosely on the stop." Under Construction "the stop shall be constructed so that the ball shall touch the stop". Two quite different statements.
The reason I bring this up is that at an NCAA Rules Clinic a few years ago they were emphasizing that the pocket had to be secured at the bottom so that the ball, with the stick held vertically, would rest on the stop (without wedging in) rather than in the bag of the pocket behind the stop. This would match the Dimensions requirement.
That ruling was never widely enforced, if at all. As we all see now, the ball in most cases is settling in behind the stop, and with the Construction phrase saying "touching the stop", it does not imply that it has to touch the face of the stop, just some part of it. So an NCAA player with stacked stops could have a very nice protective position for the ball built in, and still have the ball touching the stop.
So which rule takes precedence??