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eme
11-22-2005, 11:38 AM
The new procedures in the 2006 ncaa rulebook covering inadvertent whistles and flags (at the end of the book) are certainly clear enough, but I think one part is unfair to the team in possession when the inadvertent flag is thrown.

I usually have 2-3 inadvertent flags a year. Story time. I was the trail coming up in the D2 Championship game in Philly this year. I thought NY Tech was offsides. Flag down. Coming into the box my man David Seidman (alternate official who was in the table area) quietly informs me that, no, they were not.
Uh-oh.
I look up and Limestone has the ball and it appears to me they are making a play for the cage. Kill it? Wait? I decide to wait and Limestone makes a pass or two and then goes for goal. They shoot, miss, ball goes over endline. Tweet. I wave off flag. I am standing right in front of NY Tech Coach Kaley when I explain that Limestone will get the ball back because they had possession when the inadvertent flag was thrown. He asks, "But doesn't it go AP?"
I said, "Trust me , Coach. I'm an expert on inadvertent flags due to practice.
Team that had possession when flag went down retains possession."
Kaley laughs. I was not laughing. I just wanted to get play re-started and crawl out of my spider hole.

Under the 2006 new rules...ball would indeed go AP because a shot had been taken.

I think it should go back to the team who had possession when the flag was dropped. Why? When that flag goes down, team in possession (let's call them White) starts to think and play differently than they might have with no flag down. White starts to think of driving to the goal, or worrying about keeping it in the box. Or no bounce passes. Or not subbing off that middie, etc.They have altered their routine because of an official's error. To go AP seems to increase their "punishment."

The moral of my digression is this:

1. Don't have any inadvertent flags. Better to be two seconds late on an offsides call than 2 seconds early.
2. If you have one, kill that play as fast as you can when team has possession.

WHEELAX2
11-22-2005, 11:44 AM
are there ever any current NCAA players who sit on rules commitees??

one would think that they are affected by the rules the most, and should give their side of what's happening on the field.. <<<


lately, I have been really confused when playing in tourneys with NCAA rules.. sometimes, i'm just shaking my head, thinking who came up with this?? they are trying to keep the pace of the game up in some ways, but killing my brain with unbelievable explainations, and I think a lot of these rules come from extremely unlikely scenarios....

laxfan25
11-22-2005, 12:01 PM
[QUOTE=eme]1. Don't have any inadvertent flags. Better to be two seconds late on an offsides call than 2 seconds early.QUOTE]
eme, I have a question and I'm too lazy to flip through my 105 page printout of the '06 rulebook.
I'm trail at the midfield. Team A is clearing upfield and is now in the attack half. I'm doing my counts, and I think Team B is offsides. Wanting to be sure, I check again, and sure enough, they are off. Flag down, and I look upfield to see that the ball is now on the ground. Do I adjudicate the offside call with the situation as it was when I first thought B was offsides (Team A possession), or what the situation is when I actually make the call (loose ball).
I have always gone with the former (possession - 30 sec), but just wanted to clarify...

eme
11-22-2005, 12:14 PM
You are correct about going "with the former."

"Coach, when I thought they were offsides, Blue had the ball. I was just a little slow with that flag...and next time I'll be so slow it will never leave my pocket!"
Blue Ball!

laxfan25
11-22-2005, 12:19 PM
You are correct about going "with the former."

"Coach, when I thought they were offsides, Blue had the ball. I was just a little slow with that flag...and next time I'll be so slow it will never leave my pocket!"
Blue Ball!

I don't know. In that case the coach that was complaining would say "Deal!" to your offer not to throw the flag, since it was his team that was offsides. He was just angling to get a loose ball violation rather than having his guy serve 30. No?