flag Down Quiz

[eme]

2006 ncaa book
A1 slashes B1 as B1 crosses the midline. B1 drops the ball before entering B's attack goal area. B2 scoops up ball outside attack goal area, runs in and scores.

Goal?

[WHEELAX2]

my lacrosse brain is telling me no goal, but my instinct tells me that it counts..

[laxfan25]

Well now you made me go and pull up the rule book;

Slow-Whistle Technique
SECTION 8. If a defending player commits a foul against an attacking player
and an attacking player has possession of the ball, and if the act of fouling
does not cause the player in possession of the ball to lose possession, the
official must drop a signal flag, make the verbal signal “flag down” and
withhold his whistle until:
a. A goal is scored by the attacking team.
b. The ball goes out of bounds.
c. A player on the defending team gains possession of the ball.
d. The ball enters the goal area or is in the goal area at the time the foul
occurs and thereafter moves out of the goal area.
A.R. 28. A1 gets pushed while in possession of the ball by B1. Before the play is stopped,
A1 slashes B1. A1 gets one minute for the slash and B1 serves 30 seconds for the push. A1
interferes with the goalkeeper, play-on. B1 then slashes A1 and the play is stopped. A1
serves 30 seconds for intererence and B1 serves one minute for the slash. RULING: In
both cases, play shall be resumed with the ball being put back into play from the spot
where the second foul occurred, with the 20-yard rule in effect.
e. A player loses any of the required equipment in a scrimmage area, and
the official is required under the rules to blow the whistle.
f. A player on the attacking team commits a foul.
g. The ball is in the defensive half of the field, and the team in possession
fails to clear the ball.
The slow whistle shall be used whether the foul is committed against the
player in possession of the ball or some other member of the attacking team.
In a situation where a flag is down, and once possession is established in the
attack area, play shall not be stopped unless the ball leaves the attack area, a
whistle is blown, or a change of possession occurs.
In this situation, once the ball enters the attack area, all technical fouls
(including loose ball technical fouls) against the defensive team are time serving.
A.R. 29: Flag down, slow whistle. A2, who is 1) inside the attack area or 2) outside the
attack area, throws a bounce pass to A8, who is inside the attack area. Does the slow whistle
continue? RULING: 1) Yes. 2) No, because A2 is outside the attack area.

Based on what I think I read, since B1 is outside the attack area when he loses possession, the whistle should be blown then, so B2 should not be allowed to proceed.

I am very confused by this statement though;
the official must drop a signal flag, make the verbal signal “flag down” and
withhold his whistle until:
d. The ball enters the goal area or is in the goal area at the time the foul
occurs and thereafter moves out of the goal area.

I'm comfortable with the second part of d, but the first part says "hold the whistle until the ball enters the goal area". Huh? I don't understand....or am I confusing the attack area and the goal area, i.e. the crease?

[eme]

Just blame LaxRef. We put him in charge of 100 pages of small-print rule changes that have been patched together for 73 years and we've already found at least two errors or confusing phrasing!!

[laxfan25]

Are we right though on the answer to your quiz - that once the ball is dropped outside the attack box you've got to blow the whistle?

[LaxRef]

Just blame LaxRef. We put him in charge of 100 pages of small-print rule changes that have been patched together for 73 years and we've already found at least two errors or confusing phrasing!!
I didn't have anything to do with this one!

[farside268]

d. The ball enters the goal area or is in the goal area at the time the foul
occurs and thereafter moves out of the goal area.

This should read d. The ball enters the goal area, or is in the goal area at the time the foul
occurs, and thereafter moves out of the goal area.

[donald28]

It used to be that the slow whistle was terminated when the ball became loose. The new rule changed this but I suspect only after the ball was in the attack box. Did they fail to provide some guidance for the situation where the ball becomes loose in the area described in the example? It looks that way.

[laxfan25]

This should read d. The ball enters the goal area, or is in the goal area at the time the foul
occurs, and thereafter moves out of the goal area.
That makes it a little clearer, and is similar to how it has always been.