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Dan1212

12-24-2005, 09:41 AM

DO you think Todd Bertuzzi should be on the canadian olympic team even after the sucker punch causing a broken nect to steve moore

RockStar

12-24-2005, 09:56 AM

Bert is having a mediocre season, Canada can win without him, and Hockey Canada doesn't need the whole world seeing video of the cheap shot.

Bench the bum!

tomahawks11

12-24-2005, 10:35 AM

he should be allowed to play, and he will play

laxkid009

12-24-2005, 10:42 AM

IMO i dont think he should play because 1) he isnt having a great season 2) there are better canadian players and 3) the cheap shot on our avalanche player was unforgivable :nono: . (I know a typical coloraden's reason)

JoshM

12-24-2005, 10:58 AM

No, there's so many other players having great seasons that could have taken his place. Staal or Crosby, for isntance.

blckout20

12-24-2005, 11:02 AM

I don't think the cheap shot should have an effect on whether he is on the olympic team or not. He is an amazing player who is having a sub-par season but I'd say let him play.

RockfordAttack9

12-24-2005, 11:09 AM

I believe the NHL and Team Canada have put that matter aside, plus Bertuzzi is having a great season. I belive that he deserves to be on Team Canada.

RockStar

12-24-2005, 11:51 AM

He's having a mediocre season because he's afraid of hitting people and having some out of control sportscaster start making accusations of how the Todd Bertuzzi who breaks necks is out headhunting again. He was a great, GREAT player and one of the most physical the game had seen. But he did something stupid and now his game is suffering because of it......

Nah.

As with many players this year, I think Bert's game is suffering more from the fact that he took a year off from playing high level competitive hockey.

He's playing moderately well this year, but he's not the game breaker that he was two years ago and he's not national team material for Canada.

I'd rather they shelved Bert and went with talented and hungry youth instead. Avoiding the controversy that Bert brings is just a side bonus.

CougarLax07

12-24-2005, 01:17 PM

he shouldnt be on it if he isnt pulling his weight, and it sounds like he isnt

LowRida

12-24-2005, 02:00 PM

I think Sidney Crosby should have gotten on instead of him.

slinkyspine

12-24-2005, 02:34 PM

I think Sidney Crosby should have gotten on instead of him.
X Farking Actly In 2002 we took some younger guys like brewer and smyth and gues what we won Crosby is putting up points like nothing and bertuzzi well he isn't.

laxgoalieking

12-24-2005, 02:51 PM

in my eyes he doesnt deserve to be there for the sole reason that he isnt have a very productive seaseon, i doubt that it was the bunch that broke steve moores neck but more of the avs polayer jumping on top of both of them that just put to much presseure on his neack. sidney crosby doesnt deserve to be there either, he was amazing in the qmjhl but in the juniors he was not a very beig factor and so far this season he hasnt been a game breaking factor either. marty turco is probably the only player on that team that ahould be playing not sitting out, dont get me wrong i love reberto louongo but he just isnt on top this year like he has in the past. turco has been great when needed and brouder is just well hes martin brouder. i think fleury should have been chosen instead of louongo, since he has been recalled from the ahl hes been hot, and with martyin birons recent sucees he should have been considered as well.

what we should be talking about is whos gonna tend the twin for the chezc team VOLKOUN VS. HASEK

BClax17

12-24-2005, 03:03 PM

laxgoalieking

12-24-2005, 03:16 PM

Dany Heatley killed a guy?!?!?!?! That's news to me!

Did he use a trident?

No, but seriously...WOW. Do you have any other details on that?

he killed his teammate in 2003 in a single car crash in atlanta, both were drunk when heatley kcrash his lambergeney in to a tree at speeds in excess of 200mph, i believe the temate was mike richards but im not sure.
shane doan didnt punch a guy he was accused of making a racil slure to french official in a game in montreal on the 13th, a liberal mp wrote a letter to hockey canada about it but he didnt have all of his facts straight. the nhl cleared doan to play and found that he had made no such remarks.
rick nash broke his leg in training camp, you try braking your leg a month and a half before the season starts and comeback and right away be a stand out.
adam foote has been very quite as far as points are concerned but hes been very dependable where it counts, in his own end.

RockStar

12-24-2005, 03:34 PM

Before playing the "he broke Steve Moores neck" card just remember...
Shane Doan a couple weeks ago sucker-punched a guy.
Dany Heatley KILLED a guy.

Shane Doan, Rick Nash, Adam Foote, and proboly more, are all having way worse seasons then Bertuzzi.

Not the same thing. Besides, if I were picking Team Canada, I probably would not have carried Nash. I'm not completely sold on Foote or Doan for this year either.....Spezza, Staal, Crosby and other hard working youngsters are what is needed.

There is no need to carry under-performing veterans just because of what they have done in the past. You're trying to build a team that will win this year, not four years ago!!!

As for the other stuff:

I didn't see or hear anything about Doan's sucker punch. I'm not denying it happened, but it a) didn't result in a broken neck, and b) wasn't a goon job pre-meditated for three weeks in revenge for what was a borderline legal hit.

Not the same level.

Heatly's f-up was off the ice, and if the State of Georgia didn't see fit to lock him up, let him play. His only fault on the ice is that oversized windshield he wears.

Captain Cool

12-24-2005, 04:38 PM

i doubt that it was the bunch that broke steve moores neck but more of the avs polayer jumping on top of both of them that just put to much presseure on his neack.

They were talking about that on sportsnet, and im almost positive thats what happened. Bertuzzi's punch mightve knocked him out, but the 5 or so players the dogpiled bertuzzi who was lying on top of Steve Moore broke his neck. Whats the status on Steve Moore anyways? Is he in re-hab or is his hockey career indefinately over?

laxgirl45

12-24-2005, 05:19 PM

I dont think that he should be playing this season.

In a lot of Canucks games, when ever he steps on the ice, he gets booed. That I think says a lot.

stegmakk

12-27-2005, 02:12 PM

The sad part is...there are lots of cheap shots that go on...however not all have the freak accident of breaking a guy's neck...
I have seen other plays that were cheap that could have had the same outcome...but no one talks about them...

Anyway...that play shouldnt be a factor...how you are playing should be the factor and if he is off this season then he doesnt play...

laxgoalieking

12-27-2005, 03:06 PM

They were talking about that on sportsnet, and im almost positive thats what happened. Bertuzzi's punch mightve knocked him out, but the 5 or so players the dogpiled bertuzzi who was lying on top of Steve Moore broke his neck. Whats the status on Steve Moore anyways? Is he in re-hab or is his hockey career indefinately over?

hes still carrieing on about how much it hurts and i believe he is now suing, bertuzzi, brad may, and marc crawford. that itself says he was not in the sport for the love of it but for the money, suing those three is just a cash grab by some guy that would never have been even a mediocre player in the nhl.

if bertuzzi only gets a season for that sucker punch, why did marty mcsorley get a life time ban for high sticking that meat head donal;d brashere?

RockStar

12-27-2005, 03:54 PM

.....if bertuzzi only gets a season for that sucker punch, why did marty mcsorley get a life time ban for high sticking that meat head donal;d brashere?

McSorely did not get a lifetime ban, he got an indefinite suspension.

McSorely had a bunch of good years already and decided to just retire rather than go grovelling in front of NHL's discipline committee for reinstatement.

I still can't figure out why everyone is against Moore on this issue. His only fault was catching a player in a compromised position and applying a borderline legal hit. Happens all the time.

As far as Moore's "cash grab", he probably has legitimate grounds to claim at least $1 million. NHL league minimum is somewhere around $400K, so figure without the sucker punch, even a hack like Moore is good go for at least two to three more years.....there's your $million.

If you want to fault someone for a hack like Moore decking a Euro-suck like Naslund, blame the NHL. If they hadn't over-expanded during the 1990s, Moore would have never had a job and this whole ugly mess never happens!

Dan1212

12-28-2005, 01:36 PM

I think he definatley should play, He was sent out by his coach to do it, it wasnt him who caused the broken neck and its a game, he did the crime he dealt with it and it should be over with, And what are people saying crosby hasnt done anything in the NHL remeber the game winning breakaway and all thos goeals the tied uip the game?

goalie33fan

12-28-2005, 02:06 PM

he killed his teammate in 2003 in a single car crash in atlanta, both were drunk when heatley kcrash his lambergeney in to a tree at speeds in excess of 200mph, i believe the temate was mike richards but im not sure.
shane doan didnt punch a guy he was accused of making a racil slure to french official in a game in montreal on the 13th, a liberal mp wrote a letter to hockey canada about it but he didnt have all of his facts straight. the nhl cleared doan to play and found that he had made no such remarks.
rick nash broke his leg in training camp, you try braking your leg a month and a half before the season starts and comeback and right away be a stand out.
adam foote has been very quite as far as points are concerned but hes been very dependable where it counts, in his own end.
You are definatley wrong. They were not drunk. They were going 80mph, and they hit a brick wall. If they were going 200 and hit a tree they both would have probably died. If he was drunk he would be in jail, NOT playing for the best team in the NHL. Also, where in the hell would he have had time to get to 200 when there were trees around.

slinkyspine

12-28-2005, 02:11 PM

You are definatley wrong. They were not drunk. They were going 80mph, and they hit a brick wall. If they were going 200 and hit a tree they both would have probably died. If he was drunk he would be in jail, NOT playing for the best team in the NHL. Also, where in the hell would he have had time to get to 200 when there were trees around.
And it was a Ferrari. Plus 200MPH is Impossible on the street too bumpy and uneven youd melt the tires before you got there

laxgoalieking

12-28-2005, 04:15 PM

You are definatley wrong. They were not drunk. They were going 80mph, and they hit a brick wall. If they were going 200 and hit a tree they both would have probably died. If he was drunk he would be in jail, NOT playing for the best team in the NHL. Also, where in the hell would he have had time to get to 200 when there were trees around.
they were drunk. they did hit a tree and they were going a lot faster then 80 mph, he was drunk and he did not get off as he had three years probabtion.

bballplayer15

12-28-2005, 05:39 PM

i love hockey and i love canada but i dont even want them to win because they took bertuzzi. i hate that guy so much and he isnt even having a very good season, they so should have taken staal, spezza or crosby over him. I hope he gets injured so he cant play and i can root for canada. until then, i hope they lose and the czechs win!!!!!

slinkyspine

12-28-2005, 05:52 PM

they were drunk. they did hit a tree and they were going a lot faster then 80 mph, he was drunk and he did not get off as he had three years probabtion.
Yes they were confirmed in excess of 125MPh no where near 200. And they did hit a wall, after the front right tire clipped a tree.

goalie33fan

12-29-2005, 12:29 AM

tristate2

12-29-2005, 12:50 AM

laxgoalieking

12-29-2005, 02:02 AM

What about the USA.
what about the usa?
they have mediocre talent at best, there isnt a good american goaltender at the moment, and jr,and madano dont have the skill to play anymore, hull retired. so i say that they will get beat by one of the lower ranked teams, germany? or bellerus?.

the chezzh look best in net, and have some biggg boys on the blue line, and some real fire power up front. their my pick to win silver or lose gold.

Krypt0M4g!c

12-29-2005, 02:06 AM

And it was a Ferrari. Plus 200MPH is Impossible on the street too bumpy and uneven youd melt the tires before you got there

Also considering the fastest lamborghini (which it wasn't) only goes 205mph

goalie33fan

12-29-2005, 01:39 PM

they were drunk. they did hit a tree and they were going a lot faster then 80 mph, he was drunk and he did not get off as he had three years probabtion.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20031006/thrashers_snyder_dies_031005?s_name=&no_ads=

NO TREE
NO 200 MPH
NO LAMBO
I'll find somemore info where it says his punishment and says he was NOT drunk.

laxgoalieking

12-29-2005, 03:21 PM

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20031006/thrashers_snyder_dies_031005?s_name=&no_ads=

NO TREE
NO 200 MPH
NO LAMBO
I'll find somemore info where it says his punishment and says he was NOT drunk.
one out of two not bad.
NO 80MPH
YES LAMBO
he was sentenced to 3 years probation, iva already said that.

Laxin2266

12-29-2005, 07:56 PM

LET HIM PLAY

b_cannons_123

12-29-2005, 11:19 PM

He almost killed him and there was blood EVERYWHERE!

kingdawgell

12-30-2005, 01:26 AM

I THINK STEVE MOORE SHOULD BE PLAYING FOR HIS COUNTRY

oh wait... he had his career ended by a dirty hit from todd bertuzzi

he ended a guys frickin career. HE WAS A ROOKIE. hes spent how many years since he started playing hockey dreaming of playin in the nhl to have his career ended by a goon like bertuzzi? and people were talking above about a "cash grab"... what about the chance to continue his career in the NHL doing what hes dreamed of since he pulled on the skates and picked up a stick

for whoever said that his coach told him to do it: how old is bertuzzi? does his mom still tuck him in at night? hes a grown man; he can decide whats wrong and whats right. and i dont think sucker punching someone from behind is anywhere in the gray area. its complete bull**** that this guy is getting the chance to play for his country when steve moore is probably never gonna play hockey competetively again

laxgoalieking: you said that he wasnt in the sport for playing the game but rather for the money. he ended the guys career. ENDED IT. whats he supposed to do? sit back and not do anything? not penalize the person who ended his career and future millions of dollars he was gonna earn? thats just completely ignorant of you to say hes in it for the money. do you think that when he was ten years old playin street hockey in the summer he was thinking "man think of all the money im gonna make because i sure hate this game". somehow i really doubt that. if he was walking on his sidewalk and someone did that to him, would you expect him to sue? i defintely would expect him to. its no different than on the ice. moore refused to fight bertuzzi so bertuzzi followed him down the ice and sucker punched him.

and for everyone thats saying that crosby should be playing.. your completely wrong. if hes as good as everyone says he is.. why are the penguins doing as badly as they are? yeah hes good and will be better in the future but hes a rookie and its only 3 or 4 months into his first season. not to mention that the rule changes help his playing style A LOT.

RockStar

12-30-2005, 07:38 AM

.....and for everyone thats saying that crosby should be playing.. your completely wrong. if hes as good as everyone says he is.. why are the penguins doing as badly as they are?.....

Doesn't mean squat.

Ovechkin is better than Crosby yet Washington is in the toilet as well.

Crosby could easily be a member of Team Canada and contribute. I'd have found room for at least two of him, Spezza and Staal.

Crosby's problem is that there are too many "legacy" veterans that got picked up even though they sat out in 2004-2005 and are having terrible seasons now.

kingdawgell

12-30-2005, 04:04 PM

two more "crosbys" in staal and spezza? are you kidding? crosby is good but nowhere near those two. staal is leading the nhl in goals and very close to leading in points.

and spezza is just amazing... he isnt dishin it out with goals or points... but thatd be pretty hard to do considering hes on the best team in the nhl (ottawa... and i know the points may not say so but ottawa definitely is)

and i think ovechkin is a lot better than crosby. watching game tape.. he finishes EVERY chance he gets. and thats very few.. hes on the friggin capitals