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robi

12-31-2005, 02:11 PM

exile lacrosse

12-31-2005, 02:14 PM

holy christ yes!!!!!!! pissed the hell out of me. he scored in our first game, the ENTIRE REST OF THE SEASON would just get the ball run down and shoot and be all like oo look at me i have nine goals (and like 50 shots). wow. it really peeved me.

goalieskcickay

12-31-2005, 02:16 PM

I hate defenders who do that. Cuz when they get stripped, it hangs me out to dry with their man wide open on the crease.

NF Lax23----<o)

12-31-2005, 02:20 PM

I do that alot, But I hate it when long poles do that who either can't run for their lives or have no stick handling skills. I'd say that if I run down the field 3 times in a game I'll score twice. And for the haters, to me it seems like when a defender brings it up it gives you a few seconds of suprise, which is enough time to dish it to an open attack or make a run for the goal.

CoUgArLAX18

12-31-2005, 02:22 PM

Ya, this kid on my team does that all the time. Makes me angry cause he tells us that hes deffense and he can score so why cant we even though we have no problem scoring and he has 2 goals.

BeIVdeR

12-31-2005, 02:29 PM

my Dpoles like hitting people, ha
they control how many times they take down the ball
and their SWEET

fenwicklax89

12-31-2005, 02:44 PM

if they can hold on to it long enough and get far enough down the field im fine with them taking a shot as long as the attack can get it back. if they do it more than 2-3 times a game then it just ruins it. the goalie and the whole defense know hes gonna shoot and thats just bad lax.

westcoastlaxr4

12-31-2005, 03:05 PM

I play D and I have taken the ball down in the past, but not when my team really needs a goal or we're in a very serious game. In fact, in the two years I've played for my team I have only shot twice, and I scored one. I think it is definitely better to let the middies and attackmen do their offensive job and for me to do my defensive one. If I have the ball in an open space on a clear, I try to get the ball to a middie and let him run it, rather taking it myself.
That said, it's not like I couldn't take the ball down If I wanted to. I have some of the best stick skills for D-men on my team, and I can run. I just think it is better if everyone plays their position and does it well.

WHS Lax

12-31-2005, 03:36 PM

yea and then they always loose the ball and force a man down option for the other team it pisses me off

bouncer

12-31-2005, 03:40 PM

when the goalie is clearing just hang it out there...they will never want to leave there side of the field again.

lyonslax98

12-31-2005, 03:49 PM

FPDefense

12-31-2005, 03:55 PM

i try to start fast breaks. instead of trying to score i'll try to get an assist or just start the whole thing by passing it to the point man. if they leave me open i'll shoot sometimes, but i'm workin on that.

thats pretty much what i do. either pass it to a middie at midfield or the attackmen on the crease. I cant shoot, thats why im a longpole

Lurch22d

12-31-2005, 06:41 PM

i liek to run it up the field but have never taken a shot...i usually just get it down to the box and pass it off to a middie/attack

MainLax28

12-31-2005, 07:11 PM

Yeah, I don't shoot ever. I probably could score, but usually I'll take it up and hit somebody who is open. That'll change this year though

tomahawks11

12-31-2005, 07:14 PM

nope..... we have good discipline and if anyone tried that more than once a game they would get benched unless it was a desperation shot or a shot to end the quarter

ekajsk8er

12-31-2005, 07:16 PM

Yea, it gets annoying when the poles take it up the field. Once and awhile is fine IF they have the lane open. If ther are defenders on them and someone is open, thats when it gets to me.

Formerlaxdemon

12-31-2005, 07:23 PM

It sounds like the majority of defensemen on the Forum are both sensible and disciplined when bringing the ball up. I have been lucky so far as to never have to coach a kid who played like that.

robi

12-31-2005, 07:51 PM

It sounds like the majority of defensemen on the Forum are both sensible and disciplined when bringing the ball up. I have been lucky so far as to never have to coach a kid who played like that.

Yea you're lucky you're not teaching that dpole kid on my team. Hes really good, but he doesn't listen to our coach he's like yeah whatever. Than he's like "the coach doesn't teach me anything" and we're like "That's because you don't listen" he's too arrogant.

Formerlaxdemon

12-31-2005, 08:01 PM

Yea you're lucky you're not teaching that dpole kid on my team. Hes really good, but he doesn't listen to our coach he's like yeah whatever. Than hes like the coach doesn't teach me anything and we're like "That's because you don't listen" hes too arrogant.

If I were the coach, I would bench the kid or have him field balls during games until he learned his place. Worst comes to worst, cut the kid if he refuses to learn anything. How does the rest of your team feel about the kid? If you're lucky, this will work itself out if/when the kid attempts to run the ball up to get good and cleaned by an overzealous LSM with an anger problem he no longer seeks help with on a bad day. My only problems have been coaching some mids in the past. As a former pole, I speak the same language as my defensemen. In five years of my coaching I have only had one pole who tried to score. He was a huge and fast player, ran the ball up, no one was clear or could get clear, he ran to the goal and just cranked it in for a point. When he came off the field, he told me he never wanted to do it again, but from then on gave a lot of assists and took pleasure in just helping to score.

PCO6

12-31-2005, 09:05 PM

You guys are making a good case for the box game where EVERYONE plays offence and defence. I'm not referring to the NLL style of box but rather the original style where everyone goes both ways. I've been a box lacrosse coach for 15 years and I am just learning the field game, which I am enjoying with a group of 10 year old boys that are also my box team. We have been giving everyone a chance at long pole and I'm almost not looking forward to saying to 4 or 5 of them that that's where they are going to have to stay there.

gigo567

12-31-2005, 09:49 PM

PCO6

12-31-2005, 10:26 PM

You're right, that didn't sound good but I'm talking about a group of 10 year olds and I hope they don't! (lol) All I'm saying is that that's a major difference between the 2 games. I find it hard to pidgeon hole players at such an early age. To take it to an extreme, I signed my 8 yr old up for hockey 2 yrs ago and the electronic registration could not be filed w/o declaring he was a goalie, a defenceman or a forward. Isn't that up to the Coach to figure out. It's like evaluating players before you have had a chance to teach them how to play.

BTW - I am new to field. What does LSM mean?

FPDefense

12-31-2005, 10:27 PM

BTW - I am new to field. What does LSM mean?

long stick middie

PCO6

12-31-2005, 10:35 PM

Thanks. So it's not that players are shooting with long poles that bothers many of the above posters it's that d-men are leaving their position and someone (a middie usually?) has to cover for them. In box you teach constant motion offence where players are always changing positions with each other.

exile lacrosse

01-01-2006, 10:15 AM

oh hahah...kind of a side story, but i think i took maybe one shot all year. it is not my job to score, so i dish i would dish it off. so the one shot i take all year was during a game when not a single one of our offense was shooting, just one of those days. i was pretty pissed cuz we were losing AND playing like crap. so i go up and take a shot, and then i hear one of the fans say "What are you doing? dont be selfish!" So i just turn around and shout "well if our offense would play i wouldnt have to do that!" and then i jus walked away fuming.

Laxin2266

01-02-2006, 11:24 AM

Ive played with a goalie who constantly wanted to score...he would always just get laid out.

RockStar

01-02-2006, 11:28 AM

Do you have dpoles on your team that love trying to take shots? Theres this one kid who plays defense who just has to try to take a shot every game. Even, if you're wide open on the crease he'll still take the shot from midfield. And every game hes like Im gonna score today. He hasn't scored yet.

Anyone else have someone on their team like this?

:loser:
Geez, If that doofus was on my team, I'd crosscheck him in the facemask myself!

Bonus - it would be funny to watch the ref puzzle over how to penalize me for that act!

ColtsLax

01-02-2006, 12:02 PM

when ever i get the ball as a pole, i tend to take it atleast out of the box, but if nnoones open, then i take it over and step it in.

Sometimes, my attack i guess gets surprised, and they totally ruin a fast break oportunity. but i usually go for the assist, unless im wide freakin open.

James

01-02-2006, 12:58 PM

we had a d pole who has scored before it was cool

TheNino57

01-02-2006, 01:26 PM

I encourage the poles on my team to practice taking shots. Everyone on my team has wheels, it seems, and we can turn a fast break without any problems. If a pole finds himself in a scoring position, and no one slides to him, then he should rip a shot. No matter what position you play, if you have a shot- then you take it! But poles who are going to take the ball up the field need to know how to look for the open man if the slide comes. But scoring isn't a novelty, and shooting for shooting's sake isn't helping your team one bit.

moondog

01-02-2006, 04:02 PM

I usually try to create chaos on a clear, and find and assist on the back side, where the slide came from. If it's not there, I'll try to settle with a middie or attack, but since I'm usually responsible for most of the clears, I have a green light to shoot, and an attackman knows to get in position to back up a miss if I miss the cage.

For a d-pole, I'm extremely offensive; I usually average close to a goal a game is spring league-play. Otherwise, I try to rack up as many assists as I can. That way, my offense gets good looks, good goals, and their confidence gets even higher...

lax4life6

01-02-2006, 05:33 PM

i used to play defense. i would run it up a lot. i wouldnt usually score though. i had like 4 goals the whole season. im pretty fast and my stick skills are pretty good so by the time i hit the midline 9/10 times i was by myself. if a guy comes to me i dish it off but if no one takes me i'll take it in and shoot.

BioPro29

01-02-2006, 05:41 PM

Fast breaks started by d-poles can be great opportunity's IF the player has enough stick skills and common sense. Otherwise it can turn into a waste of possesion. I get excited when a defenseman takes advantage of an opportunity at hand, but if he goes into the game with an "i have to score at least one goal this year" attitude, he shouldn't be allowed to have the ball.

Last year, one of our LSM's would always run down the field (he had wheels), and right as he drew a slide he'd take the shot, instead of passing to the open attackman (there always at least one open with a good shot angle).

OwlsLax2

01-02-2006, 05:55 PM

my Dpoles like hitting people, ha
they control how many times they take down the ball
and their SWEET

Thats sick. We have the worst defensemen ever. They have no idea how to play the game.

Jesse

01-02-2006, 05:58 PM

If nobody slides I rip a shot.
But I have really got into the habit of passing now, might be because I cant shoot with my long pole...

stegmakk

01-03-2006, 02:09 PM

brunos13

01-05-2006, 04:30 PM

I usually take it down...shoot once or twice a game...get a goal every other game...
Most of the time I look to dish it off to a sliding dman...
The first look should be to pass...but if they don't play you and you have a decent shot then let her rip...
If I couldn't score, or rarely scored, I wouldn't even try to shoot as much as I do now...

I play on the same team as Stegs and can tell you he is being modest. We play 2-2-2 indoor during the winter and Stegs is usually good for a goal a game. Stegs is an awesome D-man with wheels and a wicked shot.

In fact, he has our other poles more involved in the offensive flow. Definitely improves the transition on the clear.

mdawg

01-05-2006, 04:47 PM

i play D and i had 14 goals last year....

moondog

01-05-2006, 05:00 PM

I had 18 goals in spring of 03 (that was my last full season as a player--I need to get in some leagues!!)
Few of them were pre-meditated shots. I always look for the assist first, but I had some of those stereotypical, lazy (somewhat chubby) attackmen, who would not always cut to get open like they should.
I easily could have (and possibly should have) played attack, but I helped my team more as a dpole, since I'm very athletic and am very dangerous on the fast break. I'd average three assists a game, and that should have been a lot more, if the attack would have finished better (let alone, found the NET more).

--I didn't want to toot my horn, I just wanted to say I am a very offensive dpole and I really like how the position is evolving into a more offensive-minded mentality on transition. Bobby Orr changed the game of hockey as an "offensive-minded" defenseman, and I think the future looks bright for dpoles like us in the future for lacrosse~

superlaxman2

01-05-2006, 05:03 PM

which team doesnt have at least one dpole who tries to score every time they get the ball? Our team has two, and it bugs me to no end. gaaa.....

moondog

01-05-2006, 05:10 PM

As long as the shots are quality, and you do not turn the ball over. There's a difference between a "good" shot and a "great" shot. It's rare to have the "level" of green light I once had, but after I scored a few consistently, I earned that privilege.

It is very annoying when poles turn the ball over, and the main thing I look for is to touch-up in the box, buy my team 10 more seconds, get it to an attackman, and take a well-deserved rest while the O-middie comes in for me.

Which (extreme) would you rather have, a frigid dpole who gets excited and turns the ball over due to inconfidence, or a confident dpole, who might take a couple more shots than you'd like him to, but clears very well and is a good ball carrier? I realize they're extremes, but I suppose it's subjective...

JerseyD540

01-05-2006, 05:22 PM

As a Dpole i have no problem pulling the trigger as long as a shot is there, in winter league i have 2goals and 3 assits in four games. personally i think it's prettier when i hook an attackman up with a nice pass.

Z12/AM

01-05-2006, 09:29 PM

I'm fast enough and a good enough ball handler that coaches encourage me to shoot. they say i don't shoot enough, but that's just me

korea lax

01-06-2006, 02:09 AM

If an individual has good enough stick and is controlled, you would be suprised how much of a threat he may become.

The worst thing you can do is panic and pass way too early, or run straight towards a guy without your stick up in the air and then realizing that its too late, and before you know it your trapped and they have the ball and your 1 D short.

Just calm down and think, if your not thinking you shouldnt be taking it upfeild.

Otherwise im all for it and if you see a chance, I say go for it.

laxerkid1132

01-06-2006, 07:42 AM

yeah i am a dpole and i run it up a lot. i look for a shot but i only shot a few times last season, probably 5 at most. but yeah......dpoles like to have some of the glory yand say that they scored.

WHEELAX2

01-06-2006, 08:28 AM

unfortunately your primary goal is to simply transfer the ball to the "attacking" players, and pose a threat by drawing a defender. After you draw the defender, it is important to dump the ball and maintain space (don't jam up the middle or make it easy for one defender to cover two guys).. you then get in a good shooting/feeding position until the break is over/or cut to the crease depending on what break you are running. The only time you want to shoot is if defenders are cheating waiting for the pass, or you are wide open (with your stick toward the crease area) after you make your first pass.. It can be very frustrating for middies who are trailing to have to sprint back to defense because you took a stupid shot.. It's the same thing as if you were a middie and the attack takes a junk shot with no back up, and you have to get back on d..

SHSLAX29

02-24-2006, 09:35 PM

I play pole and i can rip the ball...sometimes quicker than a lot of the attackman on my team. I can shoot around 80 pretty consistantly. I've scored in 3 out of my last 5 indoor games, all against decent goalies.

If you play defense, are in range for the shots, and have the speed and accuracy....let fly.

WickedDpole21

02-25-2006, 12:10 PM

i dont shoot. i could, but i dont. unless i have a perfect, wide open, 1-1 situation. ill leave that to the guys who have that job. my job is to play d. their job is to score. if noone is open, ill run across and just thorw ashort pass to a middie or attackman and then haul my a$$ back.

Longpole5435

02-25-2006, 12:41 PM

D-poles should only shoot if they have they shot, and should only be carrying the ball if they can......and most of my peers can't do it well enough, even at the varsity level....but i am one of those poles who takes a good chunk of shots, but i score alot bc of it (i'm an ex-middie who knows how to shoot well)......however, i do dish it and my assists and goals are usually about even

AttackMan17

02-25-2006, 01:02 PM

When i play pole occasionally, I shoot a few times a game....If i have an easy shot.

aikitim

02-25-2006, 01:03 PM

I like to take the ball up the feild, but i've never taken a shot. I usually dish it to a middie around the top of the box or an open attack man, i always think about taking shots, but i havent really practicied shooting with a dpole, so there wont e any shots coming from me....

sammyduelist

02-25-2006, 01:12 PM

ild like to, i wouldnt mind doing so, and i dont see why you should hate on some one who jsut wants to try, i can understand tho if theres some guy who jsut it every single time, thats just when it gets annoying. but i dont see why not maybe out of the blue once you get a good opening and a fairly good chance why not. as long as your capable, i think you should let us poor d take a shot

UNCdefense

02-25-2006, 03:48 PM

i love to take shots but it's because im accurate, have a fast shot & a 6' pole so when the goalie sees me coming i can see fear in his eyes....however i will never try to juke out 2 or 3 guys to get myself a goal if someone is wide open....i definitley believe in team play & could care less who gets the fame in the papers tomorrow.....today in a tournament, i stripped the ball from a middie....hauled a** down field, set us up for a fast break, drew the slide, got nailed....attackmen passed the ball...another pass....goal....i wont be recognized for that at all (other then convenientally working it in a post on TLF) but we won the game by one point & that's what matters...not who got that point

hulllaxplayer

02-25-2006, 07:11 PM

well actually on my team last year a dpole scored from the other crease...and as a goalie i think dpoles on the crease are the hardest thing to stop. It's like a falling tree.

FPDefense

02-25-2006, 07:37 PM

well actually on my team last year a dpole scored from the other crease...and as a goalie i think dpoles on the crease are the hardest thing to stop. It's like a falling tree.

Lol, we did that last year. Our coach was mad at the attack because they were just sucking so he put our Defensive captain in on the crease. He than proceeded to score.

tiplax

03-05-2006, 06:37 PM

There's a kid on my team who SUCKS. When ever he clears the ball he'll try and bull rush through kids, if he makes it through(almost never) he shoots. His shot is really slow and he's really cocky because he scored one goal in 7th grade.