Burton Vapor

[spartacus9]

That thing is awesome. I went to my local shop yesterday and checked it out.
Its only 5.4 pounds! The technological advancements in sports amazes me. What do you guys think about it? Any other products that amaze you?

[NuKoN]

wait.. what is it?


EDIT: nvm.. i'm not a snowboader, scuse the dumbassness

[fenwicklax89]

yeah that thing is sick but definitly not worth the price, at least for someone my age.

im amazed at my board - burton custom x with burton p1 bindings. both are amazing

[raykessler]

ok so for one 900$ is a huge ammount to pay for a board, two the superfly core isnt very good, three burton is not known for its quality, four to ride a rail on that thing voids the warrenty i wonder why, five of all the reviews iv read all of them have said that its a p.o.s

[mrboarderman]

I have talked to numerous people that have ridden this board.

A couple years before the release of teh Vapor, I heard about it from someone who worked to demo tour. He told me the specifications and I thought it had to be too good to be true.

The next year he gives me more info because lots of people had gotten the chance to ride it. Reps and testers were saying that it pushed their snowboarding to a next level. THe swing wieght was so low they could get more clean spins without fail.

It is not a board for the inexperienced, growing, or weak. This board is unbelievably light and responsive. Do I think after riding the Vapor at the tour it is worth $900?

No. Not worth it unless you get it for near proform price. Nontheless it is a cool board. And I would be happy to have one.

Raykessler: It is still not the most expensive board on the market by the way. Any board with a metal core will have a voided warranty if you hit a rail. If it was meant for rails it wouldn't have a metal core anyway. I don't know what reviews that you have read but the only negative taht anyone has ever stated to me after ACTUALLY riding it is the price.

Also, It is not a superfly core. Burton might not have the BEST quality, but if your problem has a problem that leaves it unridable you better believe they will replace it.....

[sweet_ceX]

Saw it a month ago in the techonolgy section of Men's Health Magazine. Its cool but not worth it. I don't see any pro's usin it. They may soon, maybe for the olympics or somethin.

[mrboarderman]

Obviously you are not looking close enough sweet_ceX

I will give you a clue, he always gets crap for not having big 1080s every pipe run....

Most pros are using next years gear by now. That is why YOU might not see the Vapors....

[sweet_ceX]

Obviously you are not looking close enough sweet_ceX

I will give you a clue, he always gets crap for not having big 1080s every pipe run....

Most pros are using next years gear by now. That is why YOU might not see the Vapors....
Yeah. you're right.
Please excuse my initial dumbness on acount of the fact that i am actually alittle bent out of shape.
and by "he" who do you reffer to?

[raykessler]

Raykessler: It is still not the most expensive board on the market by the way. Any board with a metal core will have a voided warranty if you hit a rail. If it was meant for rails it wouldn't have a metal core anyway. I don't know what reviews that you have read but the only negative taht anyone has ever stated to me after ACTUALLY riding it is the price.

Also, It is not a superfly core. Burton might not have the BEST quality, but if your problem has a problem that leaves it unridable you better believe they will replace it.....

i know its not the most expensive, but its too expensive for what it is, and its still a lot to pay for a board, also i dont like how light it is, its like lacrosse sticks, to some extent i like to feel like i have something below me, also thats exactly why metal cores are bad, other companies are using similar honeycomb designs but with composit materials to a much better effect, not only do those materials give better pop but they dont bend, so you can do what ever with them, im not positive but i think burton is the only one using a metal core, and even if anyone else does i would not buy it, and every review iv read has been negative, no one has said its not light and no one has said its not responsive but everyone has said they felt the quality of design was below par espically for a 900$ board.

[mrboarderman]

Yeah. you're right.
Please excuse my initial dumbness on acount of the fact that i am actually alittle bent out of shape.
and by "he" who do you reffer to?


I was talking about Keir Dillon....I am not sure if he is really riding much anymore though. I know he rocked one last year though in the pipe.

[mrboarderman]

i know its not the most expensive, but its too expensive for what it is, and its still a lot to pay for a board, also i dont like how light it is, its like lacrosse sticks, to some extent i like to feel like i have something below me, also thats exactly why metal cores are bad, other companies are using similar honeycomb designs but with composit materials to a much better effect, not only do those materials give better pop but they dont bend, so you can do what ever with them, im not positive but i think burton is the only one using a metal core, and even if anyone else does i would not buy it, and every review iv read has been negative, no one has said its not light and no one has said its not responsive but everyone has said they felt the quality of design was below par espically for a 900$ board.


I guess we are reading different things. But I know for a fact my experiences were good from the day that I used it. If you use is on the pipe, or kickers it rocks. It is sweet bombing runs. In the air, a board can never be too light. It is something that you have to get used to, but you will most likely never find a rider especially a pro that says "I use a little heavier board because I like the way it feels better than lighter boards."

I do not consider myself a burton-head, but their stuff is quality and their warranty is unmatched. There are a lot of people taht hate on them because they are and evil corporation and "ruining the sport". In this way, I tend to find some reviews quite biased.

What is par for quality of a $900 board? What is really quality for a $500 board? You are not necessarily buying better quality but materials.

I will admit, I am skeptical about metal cores. But for the pipe, there is no better way to make a lighter board than metal.

[raykessler]

i dont consider myself anti-burton, but there are better less expensive things, so i say why not go for them, i can understand how it as well as the T6 are good for pipe, they are quite stiff, i like more versitile boards, i just find the fact that riding one rail will totally void your warrenty... i like rails, if you look what do i expect for 900$? i expect a hand made board with a kick butt warrenty, that does what its advertised for. The Vapor is advertised as an all mountain board just by the fact that it is in the middle of their little chart in the same row as the custom and custom X, it is obviously not all mountain because if you ride one rail your screwed. The warrenty is again obviously not what im looking for. Finally it is most definatly not handmade, why am i so anal about it being made by hand, i know it does not happen with many brands, but handmade boards tend to be better constructed because of the attention to detail one man is able to give. Ill stick with lib tech thank you very much.

[mrboarderman]

Actually, I am pretty sure the Vapors are handmade.....

BUt seriously, try it on the demo tour.

Do not knock it till you try it....

[raykessler]

all burtons are produced in factories overseas in china, im not knocking it, its just not a board that fits the way i ride, besides if i take it over a rail on the demo they might have to shoot me

[Dan]

I am anti-Burton, I admit, even though I have a Burton backpack, socks, and earflap beanie. Would I buy one of their boards? Heck no. Not even a Dominant (I'm a park-oriented kid and spend a lot of time hitting up stuff in town, like picnic tables we've set up and stuff.) would satisfy me, but plenty of my friends ride them. Like, 4 or 5, which is crazy. I actually ride a Rome, which is one of the most anti-Burton companies. I don't like the way Burton runs things, and they ruined Forum. Like, Bjorn Leines used to ride for Forum, but once Burton bought Forum they started going downhill. Guess who Bjorn Leines just barely started officially riding for? That's right, Rome.

Bjorn Leines interview with Rome on Rome's site:


You recently signed on with Rome SDS. What made you decide to sign with Rome, and what are you most stoked about moving forward?

I wanted to work with and ride for a company that was passionately involved with snowboarding. Rome SDS is a company run by actual snowboarders! First I was impressed by Rome's innovative designs and snowboarding products, then after meeting the crew in Vermont, I saw that these guys had a lot of stoke and have built a company centered on the core rider. With Rome, it's all about bringing back the FUN to the shred world.
Why didn't you have a full video part this year?

We are in the process of filming a project for VOLCOM. Not releasing footage this year was tough for sure but I think that building on last seasons shots will make a way gnarlier video come September 2006.
How has the early season been for you? Where and what have you been riding?

It's been pretty sweet. I've had some good pow days in Utah at Snowbird and Brighton. I've also been shredding some rails in S.L.C., and we just got done filming some in Minnesota.
What Rome products have you been riding, and what are you most stoked on?

I love the 158 Design board! I have been riding that on the mountain mainly, then at Brighton I ride the Artifact 156 for jibbing around. I run the 390 bindings in the green colorway. FRESH! For rails and jibs the Artifact 153 kills it. It has a dope flex pattern, softer in the nose and tail but solid between the bindings.
In the Snowboarder Magazine Photo Annual, there are photos of you welding some pretty massive structures. What are those all about?

That's my set up in Minnesota. My Grandpa has all this left over pipeline construction materials, so this summer we built a rail park out of some junk. It's pretty sick, no hills so we made a drop in ramp out of a 20 foot tank with an old radio antenna for the ramp. Check for the footy in V-CO's ESCRAMBLE video this fall.
List out some of your favorite Albums, Movies and Breakfast Foods.

Pink Floyd "The Wall", Jimi Hendrix "Experienced", ACE VENTURA PET DETECTIVE, and for breakfast my favorite would be a smoothie. Coffee every day, maybe cereal or flavored oatmeal, or an egg sandwich.
What are your plans and goals for this season?

To shred hard and push my tricks for my video part. Also I want to podium at the X-Games slopestyle. And like every season a list of tricks to get; gotta get a frontside 1080 and a cab 1080 in pow. I'm gonna ride a lot of pipe this year too; gotta get some good pipe lines for the video. On the product end of things, I like to design snow stuff, so I'll be working on the new CELTEK line, and a signature outfit for VOLCOM. I'm also super stoked to work with the SDS to design Rome products!
You've been sponsored for quite a few years - what has changed most with snowboarding in your opinion?

Probably the influx of the corpos. Big corporations and ski companies taking advantage of snowboarding and its mainstream marketability. It used to be a lot tighter back in the day on the hill with regards to how snowboarders had respect for each other. It used to be that you were just stoked to see another rider on hill, nowadays it's like high school with all the little groups and games.
What is your favorite part about snowboarding?

The fun factor for sure. Being out in the elements of the mountains is so peaceful for me. My snowboard is my tool for artistic expression of my soul. I love the flying feeling.
Any advice or last words for the readers out there?

Have fun out there. Chill out on T.V. and go read something. My advice is to always seek the truth in life, this world is set up to keep u from it, so step back and observe before doing something you're gonna regret. PEACE.


And this from Snowboard Magazine, at least their website, www.snowboard-mag.com

Rome Signs Bjorn Leines

1.17.2006

The idea is as old as the early brainstorming days of the SDS—those days when Rome’s two founders rode powder through an epic winter, sat around a not-so-warm wood stove, and started talking seriously about starting a new snowboard company.

As they talked about riders, the idea of getting Bjorn Leines involved in the launch of Rome made a ton of sense because his riding reflects where the brand is coming from. Bjorn is one of those few riders whose shredding samples from the entire collective addiction—everything from switch frontboards in Minnesota to Chad’s Gap in Little Cottonwood Canyon to Alaskan pow lines. And he’s a former pipe kid who still has skills in the u-jump.

For a variety of reasons, when the Rome SDS launched, the time wasn’t right for Rome and Bjorn to get together.

Then this past summer, when Rome and Bjorn started talking seriously, a lot had changed since those early days of talking about all the things Rome wanted to be and debuting the first line of Design House product. In the intervening four years, Rome has been doing its thing to spread its disruptive influence. And while Bjorn continued to kill it (check out his interview in Snowboarder), major changes went down with his former sponsor.

Since his former sponsor got bought by that large company based somewhere in Northern Vermont, Bjorn realized it just wasn’t the same brand as the one from the Simple Pleasures-to-True Life days. A bunch of the team of riders that defined it have moved on to other things. And with the new ownership came a very different relationship between the riders and brand. It wasn’t the same family of friends anymore.

Thinking about riding for a different brand for the first time in almost a decade, Bjorn wanted to hook up with a brand more aligned with where he comes at snowboarding from. He wanted to get together with a group of riders who share the collective addiction. He wanted to get together with a brand that pushes innovation in snowboard design. He wanted to get together with a brand that believes snowboarders should run snowboard companies.

The Rome SDS was his top choice.

Rome didn’t need any convincing about Bjorn’s riding. What sealed the deal for Rome to bring Bjorn into the SDS was one seemingly simple thing he said when he was visiting: “I’ll still be riding when I’m 80 years old.” More than the video parts and interviews, that is what the SDS is about.

Bjorn is spending the winter logging more footage for the Volcom video on the Rome Design 158 and Artifact 153 with 390 bindings. He already has enough stuff from last year for a banger part, so another season of filming should put it over the top.

Stay tuned.


Basically, I'd ride all Rome and Airblaster if they made snowboard boots, but they don't. Actually, I'm happy to ride Salomon FDB's, at least when I buy them this summer. I'm pretty stoked on those boots. I think Burton makes some amazingly good stuff, but I've never spent my own money on their gear. My parents have, which I'm fine with, but I can't support them. My Solution is super rad, but I put a gnarly gash in between the base and top half of the board. I slammed the front edge of my board into a box and now a bit of it has separated, which is a little depressing, but I love riding it so much that I don't care. I don't like the way Burton works as a company. My goal in life is to work in the snowboard industry. I won't go pro, I know that, but I will probably have 60 or more days riding this season and want to keep on doing that until I'm old. It'd be awesome if I could. I'm majoring in industrial design and hope to work for a small company that makes awesome product like Rome, or maybe start my own if I get the knowledge. I plan to learn a lot about snowboard product, what works and what doesn't. I guarantee you that the Vapor is amazing, but I would never buy one. I'd take one for free, but I got my board for $200 brand new. And it rocks so hard. PS, if you check on the Rome site they have one of their riders holding the 06/07 Artifact, and the base looks sweet!

[mrboarderman]

I have read that interview.

Rome should have boots out soon. Next few years for sure (fact). Do you know who started Rome? I will give you a clue they started at Burton (that is why they had to wait a couple years before they could sell their stuff).

Airblaster=meh
They symbolize the right things as a company, but the majority of people that have airblaster ish are complete tools.

[syracuselax3]

my cousin just got it and he said it was amazing. havent been to his house to check it out yet though

[fenwicklax89]

Airblaster=meh
They symbolize the right things as a company, but the majority of people that have airblaster ish are complete tools.

i hope you realize how much some TLFers are gonna rip on you for saying that :guns:

[spartacus9]

I also would never buy one. I only like Burton bindings. The point of this thread was not to say whether burton is good or bad, just how the advancements in technology are so amazing.

[raykessler]

I also would never buy one. I only like Burton bindings. The point of this thread was not to say whether burton is good or bad, just how the advancements in technology are so amazing.


if your trying to demonstrate you definatly picked the most visible example but in no way the best example.

elan inverse- lighest board on the planet (stronger then the vapor and you can ride rails on it :naughty: )

lib tech magnetraction- amazing technology, increases edge hold espically on ice

bataleon triple base technoloty- uses physics to increase speed, stability, and edge hold

salomon torque rods- starts out not stiff becomes stiff as you go faster

herr vaugner (sp)- totally carbon fiber construction

theres more, but those are some examples of real advances in snowboarding technology that have come recently

[BTlaxripper]

Airblaster=meh
They symbolize the right things as a company, but the majority of people that have airblaster ish are complete tools.

Oh man, Dan is going to Raine fire on your arse. . .

look out
:guns:

[fenwicklax89]

Oh man, Dan is going to Raine fire on your arse. . .

look out
:guns:

my words exactly.

run while you still can.......

[spartacus9]

if your trying to demonstrate you definatly picked the most visible example but in no way the best example.

Are you kidding me? Mods please close this thread, no one even gets the point. Give me cancer NOW God.

[raykessler]

Are you kidding me? Mods please close this thread, no one even gets the point. Give me cancer NOW God.


what are you talking about, you said that you were trying to show snowboard advancements in tech, i gave better examples, the vapor isnt that great of a board.