View Full Version : Scrimmage Vests (pennies) for league play
WALaxRef
02-14-2006, 05:26 PM
We seem to have an issue of fashion vs safety. Pennies can be used as jerseys but do not keep pads in place. Any issues with this? Some say its a safety issue while others thing it is all nonsense.
Project X
02-14-2006, 05:30 PM
As a player, I have to say that I don't think that a penny will cause any problems with your pads in place. I think that they stay in place as well with a penny as they do with a regular jersey. Think about it, the only differences is that the pennies cover less of the shoulder pads, so its just a little bit less weight holding them down on you, not really enough to make a difference, in my opinion. I could see possibly something with like a cap of a shoulder pad getting caught over the top of a penny, but not really shifting out of place or anything.
LaxRef
02-14-2006, 06:07 PM
We seem to have an issue of fashion vs safety. Pennies can be used as jerseys but do not keep pads in place. Any issues with this? Some say its a safety issue while others thing it is all nonsense.
Jerseys are required. I don't believe a pinnie is a jersey.
zebra618
02-15-2006, 09:22 AM
Can anyone refer me to the rule book that states that jerseys are required. I have searched the NCAA 2006 PDF file - no luck. I have reviewed the 2004, 2005, 2006 NFHS rule book, no luck. I have heard that there was an NFHS rule that stated pads must be covered - similar to NFHS Football, but it had been removed in the recent past.
Thanks!
Can anyone refer me to the rule book that states that jerseys are required.
From the NCAA rule book:
SECTION 21. a. Protective Equipment. All players shall wear protective gloves, shoes and jerseys [emphasis mine]
I don't have my NFHS book with me, but I bet it's similar. Now there is no definition of a jersey, but you can bet it's not a penny.
zebra618
02-15-2006, 11:50 AM
Thanks! I had found that reference. It is interesting how the definition or specification of cleats takes paragraphs, and yet the definition of "jersey" is non-existent.
I have broadened this discussion with some workmates, and one has pointed out that a basketball "jersey" does not have sleeves. So, without a specification or definition of jersey, what conclusion would you draw?
Z - I will call you when I find your business card ;)
WALaxRef
02-15-2006, 02:40 PM
EdT- No such NFHS rule as Zebra618 and I found after exhaustive searches.
laxfan25
02-15-2006, 03:12 PM
From the NFHS book;
1-9 Player Equipment
Art. 1...Mandatory equipment. Each player shall wear the following pieces of equipment...
g. Jersey which shall be:
1. Numbered on the front...
2. Numbered on the back...
3. Long enough to reach the belt of the pants...
That's it on jersey specs. So if a scrimmage vest had proper numbering and colors it would seem to pass muster.
roycegracie47
02-15-2006, 03:17 PM
From the NFHS book;
1-9 Player Equipment
Art. 1...Mandatory equipment. Each player shall wear the following pieces of equipment...
g. Jersey which shall be:
1. Numbered on the front...
2. Numbered on the back...
3. Long enough to reach the belt of the pants...
That's it on jersey specs. So if a scrimmage vest had proper numbering and colors it would seem to pass muster.
In this respect, and in respect to the covering shoulders (and pads, seeing as pennies are at heart nothing more than mesh A-shirts), most uniform companies such as warrior and nike are offering practice pennies with larger shoulders that cover the standard shoulder pad, giving to the look of a t-shirt that has been de-sleeved. Whether that would suffice for the mystery rule requiring total covering of the pads or not I would leave up to you guys...
zebra618
02-15-2006, 03:46 PM
Thanks much! There is not a written rule concerning covering pads. There isn't a rule forbidding pinafores. There isn't a specification or definition of "jersey."
Z
LaxRef
02-15-2006, 04:06 PM
Thanks much! There is not a written rule concerning covering pads. There isn't a rule forbidding pinafores. There isn't a specification or definition of "jersey."
FYI, this type of issue is probably best handled through the league involved. If you LOA doesn't think that pinnies are okay, and if HMS High School has them, have your LOA talk to the league and make a decision, then communicate to everyone involved (officials, coaches, players) what the decision is. In a developing area, pinnies may be fine. In Baltimore, I'd bet not.
In any case, if the pinnies don't meet the number height requirements, the school can't use them. It's unfair to make the officials try to read tiny numbers and then complain when the official's can't get the right guy in the box.
zebra618
02-15-2006, 05:14 PM
I was anxiously awaiting your *final* comments on this. You make a great set of comments: 1. Developing areas - we certainly are. 2. number height - waived for the middle school area.
Z
WALaxRef
02-15-2006, 06:04 PM
FYI, this type of issue is probably best handled through the league involved. If you LOA doesn't think that pinnies are okay, and if HMS High School has them, have your LOA talk to the league and make a decision, then communicate to everyone involved (officials, coaches, players) what the decision is. In a developing area, pinnies may be fine. In Baltimore, I'd bet not.
In any case, if the pinnies don't meet the number height requirements, the school can't use them. It's unfair to make the officials try to read tiny numbers and then complain when the official's can't get the right guy in the box.
Zebra618 pointed out we are an up and coming area. Middle school league waived rule 1-9 allowing for scrimmage vests that have # "on front OR back" even though some coaches are kicking themselves since they paid for full jerseys with required numbering and such when they could have saved a couple hundred and had pinafores instead.