More on Loose-Ball Simultaneous Fouls

[LaxRef]

There has been some discussion here about the following:

A.R. 14: During a loose ball, B1 pushes A1 from behind and a play-on is called. While the ball is still live, A1 turns and slashes B1. RULING: These are simultaneous fouls. Since Team A was entitled to possession, all players involved serve penalty time. B1 serves 30 seconds and A1 serves 1:00, with the first 30 seconds of each penalty being nonreleasable.

The question was, "Why is the poor guy who committed a loose-ball technical suddenly serving time?" I worked with someone last night who had an answer: how else are you going to penalize B1?

Normally, you'd award the ball to team A for B1's foul, but now A1 is serving time. If you award the ball to team A after A1 goes to serve his time, you're just inviting team A to stall. And if you give the ball to team B because of A1's foul, team B is not penalized in any way for the loose-ball technical.

Finally, the play-on was supposed to give team A an opportunity to gain possession without having to stop the game, so we could have just stopped the game immediately and given the ball to team A; had we done so, the slash would not have occurred. Since, in some sense, the slash resulted from the play-on caused by B1's foul, B1 gets dragged into the box with A1.

[Snake~eyes]

I don't like the rule, I think A1 should lose its advantage (playon) when A1 slashs B1. A1 should be the only one to serve and award the ball to team B.

Now I understand the reasoning behind this, the rule has been written the way it is for sometime now, I believe the caseplay was added in just for clarification.

[eme]

I guess it pays to keep the "Play-on " short. If you call Play on and then you see a scrum developing with the potential for flying bodies and sticks..maybe better to hit the whistle

[Snake~eyes]

I agree, I keep my play-ons short, I know some guys keep it on way to long.

[CoachRob]

Look here, the rule is the rule. We can debate it until the cows come home. Loose ball push followed by a slash, both players serve penalty time BECAUSE THE RULE STATES that any personal fouls by the offended team, both teams serve penalty time. Like it or not, that's the fact.

I used to wish they would eliminate 7-6 altogether, but they aren't going to do that. I have spent CONSIDERABLE time learning this rule. So now, if they DO eliminate it, I'll be ticked off due to the countless hours I have invested in understanding this @#$%#@'ed rule.

Whew, that was a burst or passion. By the way, that girl in the Olympics who did that fancy trick on snowboarding and lost the gold medal was a sheer and utter dufus. I bet SHE doesn't understand 7-6. :thinking:

[eme]

No Jacobellis is not a dufus. She could care less about rule 7-6. Snowboarders have fun competing. Wish that the rest of the competitive world of athletics could do likewise....

[CoachRob]

Hey, they're there to compete, snowboarders just like everybody else. I liken what she did to a guy in the lax final four taking a backhanded shot and missing when a simple shot would have easily scored, and his team losing. There is a time and place for everything. I'm all for the olympic spirit but even Shaun White, the flying tomato, said he would have skipped that move and waited until he crossed the finish line.

And I though EVERYBODY cared about 7-6. Shows you how out of touch with reality I have gotten eme.