Face Offs

[laxfreakR220]

On the X i've known of a way to win agianst any Traditional mesh by grabbing the two triangles at the top of the mesh and lift up. Is this legal?

[WHEELAX2]

um.. no.. does it sound legal to you??

[Snake~eyes]

On the X i've known of a way to win agianst any Traditional mesh by grabbing the two triangles at the top of the mesh and lift up. Is this legal?
I don't really follow but if you're grabbing his stick or his strings or anything like that then it is illegal.

[laxfreakR220]

Thank u, 'cause a kid did it to me and he said even college and MLL/NLL players do it.

[LoveableME]

Everyone does it, its referred to as the top-corner jump or the claw. Its illegal, but that doesnt mean people don't get away with it.

[geezer]

what's the call? Illegal procedure?

[LaxRef]

what's the call? Illegal procedure?

Technically, if you use your fingers on the other guy's stick, I think it's a hold.

[Snake~eyes]

Technically, if you use your fingers on the other guy's stick, I think it's a hold.
That's probably right, I would go with IP though.

[i live 4 lax]

im not gunna argue with laxref... he seems pretty serious about reffing. yes it is DEFFINITLY illegal and college players and MLL players do it, but its not like the higher skill level you get the less likely a person is to do something illegal. people will do w/e it takes to get an advantage, and that only becomes more numerous as you get higher in skill level.

[mcourtne]

I've been facing of for 20 years and I havn't done it. It's not that I havn't broken the rules now and then in the heat of a face off. I've kicked through a stick more than a few times and I've jumped the whistle plenty of times, last game I got called for pushing of with my free hand, but planning ahead to grab the guys stick seems a little goofy. I've never been aware of someone trying it against me. Another face off guy on my team told me a story about a guy who was doing it to him and his counter was to some how pin the guys hand to the ground while it was tangled in his mesh..? doesn't sound legal either.

[vesXattack2]

im not really understanding the move entirely but if your grabbing another guys stick then theres no way that its legal

[CoachRob]

To be clear, you may never grab or kick an opponent's crosse during a live ball situation. Quite simple really.

[LaxRef]

To be clear, you may never grab or kick an opponent's crosse during a live ball situation. Quite simple really.

But can you grab or kick an opponent during a live-ball situation? :chuckle:

[mcourtne]

im not really understanding the move entirely but if your grabbing another guys stick then theres no way that its legal

When your set for the face off your right hand is very close to the top of the head of your opponents stick. You simply let go of your stick with your index and middle finger and jam them into your opponents mesh while lifting. It's clearly illegal and you don't win the face off. You either get called for it or you prevent your opponent from cleanly winning the face. If you don't get caught you have to untangle yourself from the other guys stick and pick up the ball before he does. You can also injure your fingers very easily, especially if the guy knows it's coming. Not at all a good move for many reasons.

[mcourtne]

When I’m winning the majority of my face offs, sometimes my opponents have resorted to a move that I think has got to be illegal but has only been called as a foul once. The guy jumps over my stick and pins my wrists to the ground. More often than not he has found the spot between my arm pads and gloves. In the mean time I have control of the ball but the weight of the guy is in my wrists. I can only imagine that it doesn’t get called because it’s hard for the ref to see in there. Their intention is to stop a fast break so they release after a second or two and I usually come up with the ball because they have ignored it. The time it was whistled the guy held on too long and I was given possession. I think a man up should be awarded if for no other reason than because it hurts like a son of a ##@**!!!.

[LaxRef]

When I’m winning the majority of my face offs, sometimes my opponents have resorted to a move that I think has got to be illegal but has only been called as a foul once. The guy jumps over my stick and pins my wrists to the ground. More often than not he has found the spot between my arm pads and gloves. In the mean time I have control of the ball but the weight of the guy is in my wrists. I can only imagine that it doesn’t get called because it’s hard for the ref to see in there. Their intention is to stop a fast break so they release after a second or two and I usually come up with the ball because they have ignored it. The time it was whistled the guy held on too long and I was given possession. I think a man up should be awarded if for no other reason than because it hurts like a son of a ##@**!!!.

Well, it may hurt, but it's a loose-ball hold. You should get the ball.

If it was ruled that he was doing it to try to hurt you, it could be called USC, but that's a reach.

[pboyd]

In HS under NFHS Rules - I'm probably calling USC - that move could break someone's wrist.

[LaxRef]

In HS under NFHS Rules - I'm probably calling USC - that move could break someone's wrist.

How are the NCAA rules any different here?

[laxer26]

i dont think that USC is the answer to the jam. Just call IP and be done with it. Jams are part of the territory for face off men, and ive never heard of someone breaking a wrist facing off...

[craig21]

its not legal but the trick you are doing works well... i sometimers use it too

[CTLaxer]

i dont think that USC is the answer to the jam. Just call IP and be done with it. Jams are part of the territory for face off men, and ive never heard of someone breaking a wrist facing off...

You can break someone's wrist. You can bruise the bone. You can pinch a nerve/tendon. If you've ever had it done to you, it's not a pleasant experience and usually once is enough to make you sore and a bit slower for an entire game. Personally I'd call IP the first time with a warning that a USC comes with the next infraction. This one is purely a safety issue.

[pboyd]

How are the NCAA rules any different here?

Rules aren't different - emphasis is different - I always will error on the side of safety for HS play.

[LaxRef]

Rules aren't different - emphasis is different - I always will error on the side of safety for HS play.

You'd said:

In HS under NFHS Rules - I'm probably calling USC - that move could break someone's wrist.

which made me think you wouldn't call USC for a HS game played under NCAA rules.

[gobluemiddie]

idk about you, but to a piano player that sounds like a fantastic way to dislocate a couple of fingers. Idk about you guys, but i'm not trying it.

[Superman]

i used to do it alot... its called a two finger hop. it works very well if you do it correctly (im not saying how)... but it is illegal, ive gotten called once or twice for it. its some kind of an illegal procedure. and goblue... you wont dislocate your fingers doing it as long as you have gloves on, ive jammed mine a few times but ill take a won faceoff for a few jammed fingers.

[laxfan25]

Fortunately in our COC training they illustrated some of these faceoff cheats, so we will be much more on the lookout for the two-finger lift, etc.
What I find a little distressing is that a lot of these maneuvers are being taught at camps, etc., which I think is pretty low. If I can't beat you fair and square- why play the game? If it's only about the winning I feel sorry for you.

[LaxRef]

Fortunately in our COC training they illustrated some of these faceoff cheats, so we will be much more on the lookout for the two-finger lift, etc.
What I find a little distressing is that a lot of these maneuvers are being taught at camps, etc., which I think is pretty low. If I can't beat you fair and square- why play the game? If it's only about the winning I feel sorry for you.

I think athletes in any sport should be trying to get absolutely ever edge possible within the framework of the rules. It bothers me when athletes and coaches intentionally cheat. Much of this behavior comes from a society that over-emphasizes winning over the process of trying to become good enough to win.

[laxfreakR220]

i just heard this and even saw some D-1 lacrosse players do this in games