Salisbury 29 Marymount 0

[SDS416]

Salisbury gets their 51st in a row today over Marymount 29-0. Would have been an even bigger blow out had they not held the ball for the last 8 minutes and not attempted a shot.

[NuKoN]

I wish they would've had one more goal.. 30 is a nice, even number..

[roycegracie47]

Why do I have a feeling the ex-Mount players on my current club are going to be complaining about this all through are games this weekend....

[vesXattack2]

is salisbury that good this year or is marymount just not good at all?

[stinisonfire]

its probably a combination of both. salisbury is the defending d3 national champions and i'm sure they're just as good as last year, if not better.

[stegmakk]

while i give them SOME credit for not piling on more goals...
still...29?
SDS...can you tell me when the Evil Empire started throwing their scrubs in?

[stinisonfire]

Not to take away from this thread, but Limestone, the D2 version of Salisbury, piled on (I think 29) on Presbyterian. I know it was in the high 20's.

[jmplax31]

somewhere there is a HMB getting upset he can't rub it in our faces.

[SDS416]

while i give them SOME credit for not piling on more goals...
still...29?
SDS...can you tell me when the Evil Empire started throwing their scrubs in?

End of the first half. A few played the first few minutes of the 3rd. Played without a starting attackman and the starting goalie. They literally took the air out of the ball for the last 8 minutes out of mercy. IF they had wanted to, 35 would have been no problem, and 40 not out of the question.

[smooth87]

SDS from what you heard, how did Marymount look? Do you project them having a winning or lossing season? Do they actually look decent?

[SDS416]

The description I was given was "Salisbury looked that good, and Marymount looked that bad". Salisbury let up early, and even with their freshman in for the second half Marymount's starters were unable to do anything.

Honestly I don't even think this Salisbury team is as good as either of the last 2 teams, played without the starting goalie and an attackman and just rolled. To me I think Marymount might just be that bad.

[SDS416]

Not to take away from this thread, but Limestone, the D2 version of Salisbury, piled on (I think 29) on Presbyterian. I know it was in the high 20's.

Yes, they did. Welcome to DII lax Presbyterian. You can only improve from here.

[soclax15]

I go to Mary Washington, so this is my conference. I'm not playing this season so I can concentrate on my course load, but I have several friends on Marymount's team, and they're not looking good this year. As per usual, Salisbury obviously didn't have much trouble replacing who they lost, and they should be stocked.

[MNM19]

wow...thats really depressing for marymount. Even thought they held the ball for 8 minutes or so, they shoudl have kept it at 20. They could have just played keep away or something...

[laxn]

Did any poles score, or maybe even the goalie!? I guess everyone on salisbury has a goal on their record now.

[tomahawks11]

wow.... thats crazy.... and a shutout is extremely rare

[stegmakk]

I have no problems with a team winning by 10...15...even up to 20...
But when you start beating a team by more than 20...I have issues with you...

Thats as bad as beating a team 140+ to 36 in womens basketball...oh yes it was done just this year in NYC just so one player could get some freakish amount of points (maybe 100...not sure...it was a record i remember that)...

[LaxGoalie28]

I feel bad for marymount's goalie. Maybe they just started putting in the 3rd string guy.

[smooth87]

The NYC girl scored 113 points and her team won 137-32.

[st1acrosse99]

The NYC girl scored 113 points and her team won 137-32.


JUWANA MANN?

[stegmakk]

The NYC girl scored 113 points and her team won 137-32.
Thats it...
if i was guarding her...she would have been dropped...sure throw me out of the game...at least you aren't scoring any more on my team that night...
either that or as coach of the other team...forfeit the game and just walk off right before she breaks the record...let her get to like 4 points away...call a to...then just exit with my team...
sorry for the rant...back on topic...

[SDS416]

I have no problems with a team winning by 10...15...even up to 20...
But when you start beating a team by more than 20...I have issues with you...

Thats as bad as beating a team 140+ to 36 in womens basketball...oh yes it was done just this year in NYC just so one player could get some freakish amount of points (maybe 100...not sure...it was a record i remember that)...

Stegs-

I don't disagree, yet I can see the other side of the argument. Salisbury went to the bench early and often, tons of freshman and sophs with little or no experience. And clearly these players need to get their feet wet, but I don't think its fair or realisitic to ask a player to get experience by standing around like a cigar store indian and doing nothing. They need to get some game experience too.
We've been there (or at least I have) before. I remember the first varsity game I got into in HS. It was 14-0 at the end of the first and 19-0 at half...coach put a bunch of us freshman in to get us some experience in a "game" situation, since we had the game in the bag. But even knowing that, it was still a learning experience as a player, getting on the field, under the lights, in front of a crowd. And I'll admit we did pile it on a bit in the 4th. We were learning how to play as a unit and it benefitted us later, once we shook off the "never been there" before jitters.
Salisbury is going to get scrutinized for this because they are Salisbury. If 'Noke had put up 29, I am not sure it would even be a blip on the radar screen, and as someone already pointed out, Limestone put up 29 earlier this week and there was no great outcry from anywhere.

[blckout20]

Not to take away from this thread, but Limestone, the D2 version of Salisbury, piled on (I think 29) on Presbyterian. I know it was in the high 20's.

I would hardly consider Limestone the D2 version of Salisbury seeing as they haven't won a championship in the last 2 years. While they are consistantly one of the best teams in their division, Salisbury is arguably the best lacrosse team in lacrosse history with one of the most dominant histories. There are a lot of players who would rather play for Salisbury than a lot of D1 schools, the same can't really be said about Limestone.

I'm pretty impressed by a 29-0 win by Salisbury, they are my favorite lax team alongside the Hop. Sucks to play for Marymount tho. That was the first game of the year for both teams?

[stegmakk]

Stegs-
I don't disagree, yet I can see the other side of the argument.

Actually in lax...anyone who wins by 30 I would have a problem with...even if my beloved fumbling dutchmen (I refuse to call them the pride)...went out and tore it up...id be pissed about the run up...
I do agree that freshman and younger guys need PT too...
I might have misunderstood you earlier...I thouhgt you said salisbury waited until half to start subbing...

UVA last year against lowly Manhattan kept the score at 18-2
The running up of scores seems more prevelent in D2 and D3...(Most top D2 schools score about 20 goals more than the non ranked schools)hell...Limestone crushed Lees-McRae last year 31-1...
Wether it is the disparity in talent among the teams or the coaches or the players themselves...i don't know...

[spenny]

Marymount is in transition, the coach left late this winter, and they only have one senior on the roster and a ton of freshmen
the new coach wasnt even there for fall ball, and they open the season with sailsbury?
from what i was told, the marymount kids didnt quit, and in the 4th quarter the keeper was still chasing shots to the endline.

you cant really fault SU either, they need to get ready for other opponents, they cant sleepwalk. once the second and third line is in, they want to show the coach what they can do. berkman had his team hold the ball for the last 8 minutes.

now, is sailsbury an odd fit in the CAC, you betcha.

[gfkeeper28]

Did Salisbury's goalies play well, or did the defense literally not allow any shots?

[CHSlax]

I would hardly consider Limestone the D2 version of Salisbury seeing as they haven't won a championship in the last 2 years. While they are consistantly one of the best teams in their division, Salisbury is arguably the best lacrosse team in lacrosse history with one of the most dominant histories. There are a lot of players who would rather play for Salisbury than a lot of D1 schools, the same can't really be said about Limestone.

I'm pretty impressed by a 29-0 win by Salisbury, they are my favorite lax team alongside the Hop. Sucks to play for Marymount tho. That was the first game of the year for both teams?


Thats kinda wierd considering Springfield College is the most succesful DIII lacrosse team ever. (this is fact not opinion)

[laxpro]

I wish Salisbury wasn't a DIII School, at least for LAX,
They would still be able to keep up with the DI teams, just not dominate every team they played.

[PHSLaxDude]

I think they are still a strong team (Salisbury) but I live there and over the years I can tell they have gone down a small notch this year. I love the team though I play against them now (have a lot of friends on it). They are still strong though and have a good shot.

Also, Marymount I give props to. Yes they lost to Salisbury 29-0 but if you check their roster they only have about 23 or 25 players. It seems they are at a loss of some talent so going out against a team like Salisbury when you're a team thats still building up to be good... I pay respects to.

[SouthJerzylax22]

has anyone else heard a rumor of Salibury moving up in divisions. I heard they maybe moving to D2 but that would probably be worse considering that many D3 teams would easily beat most D2 team. The only thing would be for Salisbury to move up into D1 and i think that maybe a little much for them. Salisbury does have some competition in D3 but its obvious that some teams they shouldnt be playing, ie. Catholic, Goucher, Widner.

[spenny]

has anyone else heard a rumor of Salibury moving up in divisions. I heard they maybe moving to D2 but that would probably be worse considering that many D3 teams would easily beat most D2 team. The only thing would be for Salisbury to move up into D1 and i think that maybe a little much for them. Salisbury does have some competition in D3 but its obvious that some teams they shouldnt be playing, ie. Catholic, Goucher, Widner.

not going to happen. they whole university (all the sports) would have to move divisions. its more likely that they will lose to marymount 29-0 than they will change divisions

[laxkid891]

wow...thats a nice job on salisbury's part, what happened marymount? :whyme:

[Eclipse]

wow...thats a nice job on salisbury's part, what happened marymount? :whyme:

Marymount is in transition, the coach left late this winter, and they only have one senior on the roster and a ton of freshmen

Answer........

[twin58]

That's more lopsided than last year's game, a contest that ended in a score of 28-3.

Salisbury was last year's opening opponent for Marymount too. It was a home game for Marymount, and I was one of the handful of spectators in attendance. It was quite a cold day. I went on my motorcycle, and I shivered before, during, and after the game. I filed a report of that game elsewhere on the Internets, which I can retrieve if need be. Marymount had then, and possibly does now, a player from T. C. Williams HS in Alexandria named Clarence Thomas. He's black too, but I doubt he's related to the SCOTUS Clarence Thomas. That Clarence Thomas lives in Fairfax County.

While we're at it, where will Marymount play its home games this year? The field it used last year is not available this year, right?

[hankooklax]

if i was playing on marymount... i might have just quit

[fossil8412]

It seems as if Marymount should have atleast had a lucky goal or two... God hates them. I think my high school team could probably do better against Salisbury than Marymount did.

[fossil8412]

Sorry to double post, just found this on Marymount's website:

"In only its third year of existence, the team recorded the first of four consecutive winning seasons and established itself as one of the most competitive programs in all of Division III."

HAHAHAHA, competitive eh?

[pipes man]

Wow umm is it just me or could Salisbury beat some d-1 teams ?

[Ghslongpole14]

While they are consistantly one of the best teams in their division, Salisbury is arguably the best lacrosse team in lacrosse history with one of the most dominant histories.


Have you ever heard of Hobart? :whyme:

[spenny]

Sorry to double post, just found this on Marymount's website:

"In only its third year of existence, the team recorded the first of four consecutive winning seasons and established itself as one of the most competitive programs in all of Division III."

HAHAHAHA, competitive eh?

hahaha NOT. try a little research before you open your mouth and look like a fool

The program is much older than three seasons.
they were doing VERY well several years ago, but they havent had a coach stay for more than 2 or 3 seasons in the last 4 or 5 years. I'm pretty positive that the new coach will be able to turn things around if he gets the chance

[smooth87]

hahaha NOT. try a little research before you open your mouth and look like a fool

The program is much older than three seasons.
they were doing VERY well several years ago, but they havent had a coach stay for more than 2 or 3 seasons in the last 4 or 5 years. I'm pretty positive that the new coach will be able to turn things around if he gets the chance

How long do you think it'll take him to turn things around? Are we talking within a couple of years or more towards 5+? As far as you know, how does Mounts next years class look?

[mdawg]

Wow umm is it just me or could Salisbury beat some d-1 teams ?

nope just you.........what do you really think? obviously they could beat alot of D1 teams. so could cortland, nazareth and mabye one or two other d3 schools

[gfkeeper28]

the whole university (all the sports) would have to move divisions.
Not true. Hopkins is D1 in lacrosse, but D3 in I think all, if not most of their other sports. Same goes for Hobart (who switched divisions because of their dominiation in D3), and there's probably some other schools as well.

[stegmakk]

Not true. Hopkins is D1 in lacrosse, but D3 in I think all, if not most of their other sports. Same goes for Hobart (who switched divisions because of their dominiation in D3), and there's probably some other schools as well.
I think these examples are grandfathered...meaning they did it before there was a rule against it...
I thought now if you wanted to switch divisions you needed the whole school to do so...usually i would do research...but today i am too lazy..

[fossil8412]

hahaha NOT. try a little research before you open your mouth and look like a fool

The program is much older than three seasons.
they were doing VERY well several years ago, but they havent had a coach stay for more than 2 or 3 seasons in the last 4 or 5 years. I'm pretty positive that the new coach will be able to turn things around if he gets the chance

I did do research. They haven't had a good team in the past 5 years. Look at lax.com's stats...2000 and 2001 are there only winning seasons since 2000. And lets see

'05: 4-11
'04: 2-12
'03: 4-8
'02: 6-8

Whew, super competitive. Also, if they haven't had a coach stick around, that's usually a sign that they're no good. No need to flame me if I have a perfectly legitimate argument. I am not doubting that they weren't good back in the 90s or whenever they started. You simply implied that I think that they have sucked throughout history. However, I do find it a little ironic, and quite satirical that they call themselves highly competitive, when they haven't been in a good while.

[HOLTLAX]

Glad i didnt go there theyve had alot of trouble with their coach leaving at the begining of the fall season and moving on to start a d3 team a CNU

[spenny]

I think these examples are grandfathered...meaning they did it before there was a rule against it...
I thought now if you wanted to switch divisions you needed the whole school to do so...usually i would do research...but today i am too lazy..

steggs is 100% correct

[SDS416]

I think these examples are grandfathered...meaning they did it before there was a rule against it...
I thought now if you wanted to switch divisions you needed the whole school to do so...usually i would do research...but today i am too lazy..

Actually the rule has changed....again...you can participate in DI in one sport, one gender, without the rest of the program having to move. You are not allowed to offer athletic scholarships however (the grandfather clause does allow for the awarding of athletic scholarships).

Once you add an additional DI program, the whole athletic program must move.

[spenny]

I did do research. They haven't had a good team in the past 5 years. Look at lax.com's stats...2000 and 2001 are there only winning seasons since 2000. And lets see

'05: 4-11
'04: 2-12
'03: 4-8
'02: 6-8

Whew, super competitive. Also, if they haven't had a coach stick around, that's usually a sign that they're no good. No need to flame me if I have a perfectly legitimate argument. I am not doubting that they weren't good back in the 90s or whenever they started. You simply implied that I think that they have sucked throughout history. However, I do find it a little ironic, and quite satirical that they call themselves highly competitive, when they haven't been in a good while.


its more likely to be an indicator of lack of instutional support than "a sign that they're no good."

its not a flame. i just dont really see any other way to take your post than you think they have always sucked

under coach webster in the late 90s marymount was competitive. and posted several winning seasons in a row, since then, 5 coaches in 9 seasons.
I do think that the current coach will turn the team around, its really the only DIII choice for northern Va laxers that want to stay home to go to school. lastly, yes its ironic, but you will find that kind of boilerplate jargon lots of places, while it may not currently be true, it sounds a lot better than "5 coaches in 9 seasons."

[spenny]

Actually the rule has changed....again...you can participate in DI in one sport, one gender, without the rest of the program having to move. You are not allowed to offer athletic scholarships however (the grandfather clause does allow for the awarding of athletic scholarships).

Once you add an additional DI program, the whole athletic program must move.

thanks for the clarification. you are actually and technically correct
an excellent choice of words as well. yes, you can "participate" but you really cant "compete"
hobart has not been able to match the sucess of their D3 days without scholarships in D1.
without scholarships, and in D1 play, SU would probably be in the bottom half of the top 20.

[twin58]

MU Men's Lax wins home opener over Farmingdale (http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/)

I now know where at least one home game will be played: Wakefield HS, figuratively a hop, skip, and jump from Alexandria's T. C. "burnin' down the house" Williams. Literally, though, no way.

"Marymount will host McDaniel College on Wednesday at 3 p.m. at Wakefield High School."

Almost amazingly, the home game on April 1, if it's not an April Fool's joke, will be played at Kenmore Middle School. (http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/mlax/schedule.html)

[spenny]

MU Men's Lax wins home opener over Farmingdale (http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/)

I now know where at least one home game will be played: Wakefield HS, figuratively a hop, skip, and jump from Alexandria's T. C. "burnin' down the house" Williams. Literally, though, no way.

"Marymount will host McDaniel College on Wednesday at 3 p.m. at Wakefield High School."

Almost amazingly, the home game on April 1, if it's not an April Fool's joke, will be played at Kenmore Middle School. (http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/mlax/schedule.html)

all of their home games are at wakefield, they got screwed by fairfax county. marymount paid to put in a turf field in mclean, then the local residents complained that they were from outside fairfax, the county then took away their rights to use the field. i sure hope they got some money back.

kenmore is our practice field, i hope i can see that game.

[fossil8412]

Ha okay spenny I surrender. Looks like you've had a few years more than I to watch the team and how they haveplayed...

[spenny]

more on marymount:
the 2001 season ..., were the apex for a program founded in 1992. The Saints finished 12-6 in 2000, earned a Top 20 national ranking from the United States Lacrosse Association and three times beat a ranked team. The next season they were 11-7 and finished at No. 16.

not bad for a then 10 year old program.

from: http://www.examiner.com/Search-a51388~Bleeding_Marymount_s_blue_and_white.html

[fossil8412]

^^^ I'm so glad this is still relevant, considering its nearly a month old.

[holyschnikes101]

isn't marymount (now) 4-3 for the season?

[spenny]

^^^ I'm so glad this is still relevant, considering its nearly a month old.

i just saw it, and since they stated what i was trying to say more eloquently, i thought i'd post it. it wasnt aimed at you. there are kids here that might be considering marymount, and i dont want them to think its a place that they should stay away from.

[smooth87]

isn't marymount (now) 4-3 for the season?

They are. They're playing St. Mary's tonight.

[twin58]

I was going to go see them play last weekend, but a dead battery in my motorcycle took care of that. The battery was not responding to treatment, and I ended up helping move some junk. With that done, I headed to Wakefield, to find not Marymount, but a girls' soccer game underway. They weren't at Kenmore either. The location, which I never would have guessed, was O'Connell HS.