View Full Version : Releasing players after a faceoff
C.Montgomery
03-05-2006, 09:14 AM
On a faceoff there is a loose ball push and after a quick play-on the whistle is sounded. A timeout is then called. When play is resumed should players still be confined behind the defensive-area lines, and if so, do they need to be the same players who were there before the timeout was called?
LaxRef
03-05-2006, 09:55 AM
Very good question. I would say they are still restrained to their respective areas behind the defensive area lines. I was about to say that you have free substitution during a timeout, but I can't find that in the rules! Nontheless, I think I would allow substitution in this situation.
blindbill
03-05-2006, 11:59 AM
How would I explain this to the teams? "we're still in face off mode, although team B has the ball where the infraction occurred"?
I would think the loose ball push penalty, giving B the ball, would be considered possession, even after the TO.
laxfan25
03-05-2006, 01:26 PM
I think you're right Bill. Once you had the whistle on the play-on, you have established possession, so everyone is released and subs can occur on the timeout.
C.Montgomery
03-05-2006, 05:31 PM
From NCAA rule 4-4:
"When the whistle sounds to start play, the players in the wing areas
shall be released. All other players are confined to their areas until a
player of either team has gained possession of the ball, the ball goes out
of bounds, the ball crosses the defensive-area line or a whistle stops
play for a time-serving foul."
followed by A.R. 23:
"A.R. 23. If a non-time-serving foul is committed during or after a faceoff but before possession
or before the ball crosses the defensive-area line, players will not be released from
behind the defensive-area line until the whistle blows, resuming play."
so if there is no timeout, then the players aren't released until the whistle blows resuming play. I can't find anything in the rules saying that a timeout would change things at all.
Mr. Montgomery: you are correct. Yes, it entails lots of "herding cats" after the TO when you resume play.
TAITERSALAD31
03-06-2006, 04:56 AM
thats correct.. you have free reign to switch players during a timeout even though guys in the box were not released
Shorelax
03-06-2006, 06:34 AM
How would I explain this to the teams? "we're still in face off mode, although team B has the ball where the infraction occurred"?
I would think the loose ball push penalty, giving B the ball, would be considered possession, even after the TO.
Once the whistle is blown to restart the play, I would signal possession.
laxfan25
03-06-2006, 07:39 AM
That's why this is such a great forum - learn something new just about every day.
So in summary, on a loose-ball technical on a faceoff - after the whistle and award we have a timeout request. Players can be switched, but faceoff positioning has to be maintained until the whistle for the restart. Correct?
WHEELAX2
03-06-2006, 07:42 AM
what's G.I. Joes say.?. "now you know, and knowing is half the battle."
LaxRef
03-06-2006, 07:54 AM
I like the phrase "herding cats"!
LaxFan wrote: "That's why this is such a great forum - learn something new just about every day.So in summary, on a loose-ball technical on a faceoff - after the whistle and award we have a timeout request. Players can be switched, but faceoff positioning has to be maintained until the whistle for the restart. Correct?"
Correct. Unless the ball had crossed an attack goal area line...the original loose-ball technical rstart procedure would be in place..i.e. one guy with the awarded ball with five others hovering nearby...everybody else back in their respective zones until the whistle.
Of course you would allow subs...how on earth could you keep track of exactly who was where...20 players' numbers....when the TO was called.???
LaxRef
03-06-2006, 08:32 AM
Of course you would allow subs...how on earth could you keep track of exactly who was where...20 players' numbers....when the TO was called.???
Instant replay?
laxfan25
03-06-2006, 09:49 AM
how on earth could you keep track of exactly who was where...20 players' numbers....when the TO was called.???
After having gone through a women's lacrosse officiating training session - they have some "different" rules. One of which is that when there is a whistle, everyone has to freeze, almost like the kids game 1-2-3 Red Light!
So I think the umpires are constantly repositioning players, especially at the younger levels, where the kids don't know what they're supposed to do.
Then the umpire has to position the fouling player for the restart - either four meters behind on a major foul, or 4 meters away in the direction of approach for a minor foul. (I think!)
Now I know what new officials feel like when we bring them on board for our games. There is an awful lot we take for granted in terms of knowledge, and I know VERY little about the women's game.
CTLaxer
03-06-2006, 12:22 PM
After having gone through a women's lacrosse officiating training session - they have some "different" rules. One of which is that when there is a whistle, everyone has to freeze, almost like the kids game 1-2-3 Red Light!
So I think the umpires are constantly repositioning players, especially at the younger levels, where the kids don't know what they're supposed to do.
Then the umpire has to position the fouling player for the restart - either four meters behind on a major foul, or 4 meters away in the direction of approach for a minor foul. (I think!)
Now I know what new officials feel like when we bring them on board for our games. There is an awful lot we take for granted in terms of knowledge, and I know VERY little about the women's game.
Nice to see you taking an interest in the women's side of things. Maybe I'll have someone else to bounce my thoughts off of concerning the women's rules besides RYU and Lax-Umpire.