In The Box ?

[Got Aloha]

Midfielder A2 comes across midfield line, 10 second count starts. Throws to Attackman A1 who has one foot in the box. The ball hits the ball stop of A1 and rolls away from the box. Ball never crosses the plane of the box and at no time is possessed by A1. Does the 10 second count end ?

[LaxRef]

Midfielder A2 comes across midfield line, 10 second count starts. Throws to Attackman A1 who has one foot in the box. The ball hits the ball stop of A1 and rolls away from the box. Ball never crosses the plane of the box and at no time is possessed by A1. Does the 10 second count end ?

The closest A.R. is:

A.R. 69. A1 in the attack half of the field has possession of the ball. The 10-second count is on. A1 stumbles and his crosse with the ball in it touches the ground or a player in the attack zone. A1’s feet are outside the zone and A1 maintains possession. RULING: The 10-second count is ended since the ball touched something in the zone. Since A1 maintains possession and does not enter the zone, a new 10-second count begins.

Not exactly on-point, but I'd use this to say that since the crosse is not in the box then it hasn't touched something in the box. Count continues. In other words, I don't think we have "electricity."

[laxfan25]

I'm not sure. In the AR you cite, it says the count ends because the ball touched something in the zone, which also occurred in this case since A1 is in the zone by virtue of his foot. He is therefore charged, and if you touched him you would still get a shock, even though the part you're touching is not in the electrical box. Count would end, and restart if A regains possession of the now-loose ball.

[LaxRef]

I'm not sure. In the AR you cite, it says the count ends because the ball touched something in the zone, which also occurred in this case since A1 is in the zone by virtue of his foot. He is therefore charged, and if you touched him you would still get a shock, even though the part you're touching is not in the electrical box. Count would end, and restart if A regains possession of the now-loose ball.

Didn't we just go through this like a week ago?

In the A.R., the ball is in the crosse and the crosse touches something in the attack area. In this situation, the ball touches the crosse, which is not in the attack area. These are not the same situation. Otherwise, you could have a chain of 5 guys and crosses reaching from the top of the box to past midfield, and you could be "in" by touching the line of guys (by transitivity).

[laxfan25]

But I think you would agree that if A2 whipped the ball at A1 (standing in the box) and bounced it off him, that you'd stop the count. I think you have the same situation here - the player that the ball hit is in the box, therefore the count should end. (And I agree that a chain of 5 players is a poor conductor and you're not likely to pick up a charge at the end!)

[ref4ee]

Didn't we just go through this like a week ago?

In the A.R., the ball is in the crosse and the crosse touches something in the attack area. In this situation, the ball touches the crosse, which is not in the attack area. These are not the same situation. Otherwise, you could have a chain of 5 guys and crosses reaching from the top of the box to past midfield, and you could be "in" by touching the line of guys (by transitivity).

More appropriate than the A.R., is the note:

"Note: The requirement for advancing the ball into the attack area is met when the ball touches anything within that area. A player must be in contact with the ground in the attack area to satisfy this requirement. An airborne player who is above this area but not in contact with the ground is not interpreted as being in this area."

In this case the player is in contact with the area, therefore the count would stop.

Transitivity does not work. This note clarifies (IMHO) that position. The player at the end of the chain is not in contact with the ground in the attack area, so does not meet the requirement.

[WHEELAX2]

it's all about having posession... if you don't have posession, it's a loose ball, and the count still goes on and on, unless the other team picks it up, or you manage to control the ball and get it in before the 10 seconds have rattled off..

[laxfan25]

it's all about having posession... if you don't have posession, it's a loose ball, and the count still goes on and on, unless the other team picks it up, or you manage to control the ball and get it in before the 10 seconds have rattled off..
Not true! You could bounce a ball into the box with no one in possession and stop the count. If it leaves the box and you pick it up, you get a new 10. If you throw a pass and it contacts someone or something "in the box" (denoted by having at least a toe touching the line) I say the count ends. Granted it's not the most elegant way to end a count, but it seems to meet the requirements as I interpret them.

[LaxRef]

More appropriate than the A.R., is the note:

"Note: The requirement for advancing the ball into the attack area is met when the ball touches anything within that area. A player must be in contact with the ground in the attack area to satisfy this requirement. An airborne player who is above this area but not in contact with the ground is not interpreted as being in this area."

In this case the player is in contact with the area, therefore the count would stop.

I think you need to be careful in the interpretation of this note. It is necessary for a player to be in contact with the ground in the attack area to be interpreted as being in that area—he can't be airborne—but I submit that it is not sufficient for a player being in contact with the ground there. Looking at the first sentence in the note, he actually needs to be in the area. I interpret this to mean the part of the body the ball touches must be inside the plane of the attack-area border.

In any case, the crosse is not part of the player, so I can't see restarting the count because the ball touched the crosse (outside the attack area) just because the player has one foot in the attack area.

However, the rule is vague enough that we can probably argue about this for years.

[eme]

PLayer with one foot in the box reaches out to catch the ball, ball hits his stick...I say
10-sec. count is over. Close enough for me.

[WHEELAX2]

Not true! You could bounce a ball into the box with no one in possession and stop the count. If it leaves the box and you pick it up, you get a new 10. If you throw a pass and it contacts someone or something "in the box" (denoted by having at least a toe touching the line) I say the count ends. Granted it's not the most elegant way to end a count, but it seems to meet the requirements as I interpret them.


yeah, I was talking about if the person is in the box and the ball hits their stick

[pboyd]

Agree with eme. Same as if losse ball touches ground inside attack area - 10-sec count ends. Noe new count until possession regained.