How to Play Angles - Field Goalie

[stinisonfire]

I don't know if this should be a sticky or not, but I've been helping a few goalies with angles. Since its hard to explain, I messed around on photoshop. Though the "G"s and crease aren't exactly to scale, and lack a of stick, I had them positioned to bait (right) stick side slightly. The key to making a save while playing the angles is to make a 45* step to the side the ball is coming while making sure you don't step sideways to the pipe. This is also based on a 5-point arc.

I hope this helps.

[goalieskcickay]

Good stuff. Thanks, I have a hard time visualizing exactly where I should play, and this will help a lot.

[stinisonfire]

That's what I'm here for.

I'm thinking about making a clearer picture that has a bigger crease, but I don't know if I should go thru all that hassle JUST for the crease.

[stinisonfire]

If I can get this to be a sticky, I'm going to make more pictures that have how to play the actual angle.

[stinisonfire]

EDIT: What angles do you guys want to see?

[LAcRossE KiNg]

i am new at lax and i just bought a guardian head and a cheap *** shaft this is useful is there any other tips how to be a better goalie. i was thinking of going to a lax camp but is it worth 438 bucks since i am a goalie. is there much to perform at because you only really know how to block and throw the ball.

[Dadabhoy_Muzzi]

i am new at lax and i just bought a guardian head and a cheap *** shaft this is useful is there any other tips how to be a better goalie. i was thinking of going to a lax camp but is it worth 438 bucks since i am a goalie. is there much to perform at because you only really know how to block and throw the ball.

There are some more goalie drills here that you can check out.
http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=10754&highlight=goalie+tips

[LAcRossE KiNg]

thank you for the help

[stinisonfire]

Keep on topic of this thread, please.

[powellman21]

heres an image of a shallow goalie arc...this is a newer arc and is used more and more in the college play...this is good for stopping faster shots...

its important for this arc to try and align your chest guard with that of the shooters..if you have any questions on this type of arc...just ask

[Brady]

powellman21 that image is too small to see detail and is not downloadable--can you possibly try reposting it? Thanks.

[powellman21]

i cant it says the file size is too large...

basically the letters are m for middies or shooters and the yellow lines are the possible shots and angles of the shots from the middies

[powellman21]

that image is from stinisonfire's original post...i just used it to reproduce the shallow arc...

stinisonfire..if you have a problem with me using your image just tell me and ill take it off...im not meaning to steal your work...just expand on it :)

[stinisonfire]

Oh no worries, that's what this thread is for. If more want to post other arcs (such as the seven) feel free. The school's internet has been down lately, so I haven't been able to get on.

The only problem with the shallow arc is that there really is no arc. If you have a shooter who's really fast and can accurately shoot, you're done for from up top. Keep in mind, my crease is a little smaller up top than it should be.

Another thing that will help you out, goalies, is to take a friend before or after practice (or home if you have a backyard goal) and have him stand in cage. Don't take shots at him, but stand about where an attackman would take a shot to see what kind of angle you have as you tell him where to be (or where you think you should play).

Hope that helps!

[LookItsMac]

interesting

[claxbucky]

Arcs are very helpful. I was taught the 5-step arc, and a 3-step shallow arc for in close ball movement & shots. The 5-step is good for shots 8+ yards out usually, because it really helps on cutting down the angles that the shooter has, since you are closer to the shooter you block more are of the goal. I usually play the 5-arc about a yard off the GLE when I'm centered in the cage. I use thhe 3-step for in close ball movement like door-step passes across the crease on fast breaks & such, this arc helps you explode from post to post. It helps prevent shooters from shooting around you when they get in close, and it gives you a fraction of a second longer time to make the save in close. Another thing, when walking the arc in a game ex: a midfielder is running across the field w/ the ball east-west, make sure you let him move past the 45 degrees before you step. A lot of shooters look for that open back pipe of a goalie moving too early, because its hard to change your momentum from going one direction, and explode back the other way. It's kind of like baiting, you take away the back pipe and get ready for the shot close pipe, or to step to the next position.

[stinisonfire]

well said, clax

[speedyMcFunland]

An other potentially helpful thing that I do is, when I play I make an x at center about a foot in front of my arc. on grass I dig it out in the crease (probably not appreciated by the host school). on turf I put down tape before the quarter starts that way I can easily find my center and posts (duh). that just leaves the in-between

[stinisonfire]

I make three marks on the crease; one up top center, and the other two to the side lined up with the V of the goal.

Eff the host school. If the goalie was any good, he would have already done it.

[Lionslaxer1]

i wish i could say something (and stin you know i would) but everything after reading this thread is just about covered. if you do another stick i would gladly help though

[stinisonfire]

I'm going to try and add pics to this within the next couple of days.

[Lacrossebum03]

How about this, after fall lax, you just come over and teach me what i need to know. Untill then, any drills I can do? I have been having Max shoot on me from different angles and crap like that.

[stinisonfire]

Yeh dude, I'm down. Isn't 12:20 a little after your bedtime though? It is a week night and we're not there.

[Lacrossebum03]

Luckily I don't have school tomorrow. And if you were here, you would probably be going to Waffle House sometime soon. And you would forget my pancakes, yet again. BTW-- You ever get Max a new Rzr?

[stinisonfire]

Yes, Waffle House would be amazing, as usual and I would probably get you pancakes because I got some money reffing this weekend. I'm workin on the razer for max, i'm still looking for the receipt.

[Golekeepr]

I love waffles with a fire passion...partly because i have a waffle iron

[RvRhsgoalie]

this show how to defend goal it makes lif way much easy

[Allstargoalie26]

hey i have a good angle but i dont know how to get it from paint to here well it showed the angles and all the defirent places they can shoot at from that angle and the blue part is where you have to cover the shots...im a new goalie but i practice hard and im here every day looking for new tips and stuff i saw other angles and stuff soo i kinda copied them sry if you guys get mad

[zack Attack 12]

stins i like the picture alot, but correct me if i am wrong, there is no right or wrong arc to use. It is mainly preference some guys like 5 some guys liek seven, the whole thing is just about using angles...the 7 step angle is gonna take more smaller steps, making seven positions from one post to the other...and 5 is gonna have 5 positions...another useful tip is to practice your steps...have someone walk the shooters arc...and step with them keeping your body infront of them(have the "shooter" tell you if you are leaving a big hole) by stepping too soon or too late...also use your foot to find the post when getting up on the post, this reduces the need to look, and allows you to keep your eye on the ball.

[juskellaxin]

i noticed there were no comments about staying perpendicular to the shooter or implementing a slight pivot into the to of your arc. that helped me significantly and really makes it that much easier to track the ball

[THE_1protector]

Oh no worries, that's what this thread is for. If more want to post other arcs (such as the seven) feel free. The school's internet has been down lately, so I haven't been able to get on.

The only problem with the shallow arc is that there really is no arc. If you have a shooter who's really fast and can accurately shoot, you're done for from up top. Keep in mind, my crease is a little smaller up top than it should be.

Another thing that will help you out, goalies, is to take a friend before or after practice (or home if you have a backyard goal) and have him stand in cage. Don't take shots at him, but stand about where an attackman would take a shot to see what kind of angle you have as you tell him where to be (or where you think you should play).

Hope that helps!

that is one of the beastest ideas i have heard in a while. trying it tomo.

[Wyvern75]

I make three marks on the crease; one up top center, and the other two to the side lined up with the V of the goal.

Eff the host school. If the goalie was any good, he would have already done it.

I ALWAYS did this back when I played (leather gloves/wood shaft days.) I'd kick out a mark at the head of the crease, dead center, and then one mark on the crease directly in front of each pipe.

I help some high schoolers now and I'm curious, now that so much of the game is on turf. Is it LEGAL to put down some tape for markings. In high school? How about NCAA?

I'd be lost if I didn't have those marks?

Rob

[CelticLaxer]

I ALWAYS did this back when I played (leather gloves/wood shaft days.) I'd kick out a mark at the head of the crease, dead center, and then one mark on the crease directly in front of each pipe.

I help some high schoolers now and I'm curious, now that so much of the game is on turf. Is it LEGAL to put down some tape for markings. In high school? How about NCAA?

I'd be lost if I didn't have those marks?

Rob


I've stopped using kick marks entirely & spend time before the game finding upfield markers. Ex.- opposite goal, goal post, light pole, scorer's table, end of the bench, trash can, etc. This gives a visual reference without having to take your eyes completely off the ball/ball-carrier.

[KageKing]

i might be one of the only ones here who does this, but i shift angle every few steps the offense takes. this makes it so the guy with the ball never has as decent angle.

[I_am_the_wall]

when attack men are passing in close i ussually take a longer step and go out at them a little (like i was playing a really high arc) as it ussually provides me with a better angle if they want to shoot and your body covers more of the cage (like if someones watching tv and you put your hand up reall close they cant see any of it but from far away it really doesnt do anything. however if you do this you need to react quicker and be quick as the passes leave you a little more out of position. also you sometimes need to react as you are stepping towards the man who just got the pass.hope this helps any of you with those pesky attackman passing around you it helped me alot

[InMotion44]

Arcs are very helpful. I was taught the 5-step arc, and a 3-step shallow arc for in close ball movement & shots. The 5-step is good for shots 8+ yards out usually, because it really helps on cutting down the angles that the shooter has, since you are closer to the shooter you block more are of the goal. I usually play the 5-arc about a yard off the GLE when I'm centered in the cage. I use thhe 3-step for in close ball movement like door-step passes across the crease on fast breaks & such, this arc helps you explode from post to post. It helps prevent shooters from shooting around you when they get in close, and it gives you a fraction of a second longer time to make the save in close. Another thing, when walking the arc in a game ex: a midfielder is running across the field w/ the ball east-west, make sure you let him move past the 45 degrees before you step. A lot of shooters look for that open back pipe of a goalie moving too early, because its hard to change your momentum from going one direction, and explode back the other way. It's kind of like baiting, you take away the back pipe and get ready for the shot close pipe, or to step to the next position.
could someone explain what the 3-step and 5-step goalie arcs are? also does anyone have advice for defending crease rolls?