My Harrow Monster Story

[NewLacrosseDad]

So I bought a Harrow Monster for my kid. He previously used a Harrow Box shaft. Long story short - after attaching his Pulse head and giving it a measure. This thing clocked in at just a hair under 43". So my question is - if the refs check his stick in a game is he gonna be illegal. I appreciate your kind responses.

Thanks

[AttackMan17]

Is he playing field? And what position. At mid, or D hes ok. But at attack, you may want to take an inch off.

[shiftylax]

He means is it illegal for the shaft to be 43 inches. Yes, it is illegal, you should cut an inch off of the shaft. Unless he's a goalie. Goalie shafts can be any length between 40-72 inches. attack and midfielder sticks must be within 40-42 inches max for field play. You will have to cut an inch off for it to be legal unless you're one of those weirdo canadians. No one regulates their sticks....

[AttackMan17]

He means is it illegal for the shaft to be 43 inches. Yes, it is illegal, you should cut an inch off of the shaft. Unless he's a goalie. Goalie shafts can be any length between 40-72 inches. attack and midfielder sticks must be within 40-42 inches max for field play. You will have to cut an inch off for it to be legal unless you're one of those weirdo canadians. No one regulates their sticks....

I thought that mids could be anywhere between 40-72...LSM's? And i have seen some mids with sticks about 60 inches long. But i cant argue with you, cause you will win. And you are cooler than me.

[NewLacrosseDad]

He plays middie and plays field lacrosse. I love these forums - you guys are always so helpful. I hacked off an inch with the ole circular saw and we're coming in just under 42". Thanks again shifty...

[NewLacrosseDad]

He also plays attack now and then so better safe than sorry...

[PCHSlax5]

Wow interesting. I've always heard 40-42, but LSM's change everything. Maybe LSM's just go by the lengths of a D-pole. To answer your question i would take an inch off just to be safe.

[Wubbie]

Middie sticks are like 40-42 and 60-62(or whatever pole lengths are... dunno it off the top of my head) you cannot go anywhere in between, as far as I'm aware.

[MBLacrosse]

Did you cut it off the top of the shaft?? Because a friend of mine let his dad cut his and he cut the other end off that is plugged lol

[slinkyspine]

He means is it illegal for the shaft to be 43 inches. Yes, it is illegal, you should cut an inch off of the shaft. Unless he's a goalie. Goalie shafts can be any length between 40-72 inches. attack and midfielder sticks must be within 40-42 inches max for field play. You will have to cut an inch off for it to be legal unless you're one of those weirdo canadians. No one regulates their sticks....
HEY! Yes we do. But to can up to 45.
I dont know if I like you THE Kyle Devitte.

Why do they call you THE?

[ekeown]

I dont know if I like you THE Kyle Devitte.

Why do they call you THE?

It's a title the court system gives child molesters here in the states. J/J

[Texlax33]

i'm just curious here did you drill another hole for the head or just use the pre-drilled one cause that could have caused it to be to long. but then again its to late cause you cut it already.

[slinkyspine]

It's a title the court system gives child molesters here in the states. J/J
I don't doubt that.

Anyway's cut it. No problem cutting mine

[Falconsmikevick]

he means that his COMPLETE stick is 43", not just the shaft

[Texlax33]

well yeah but if you used a pre-drilled hole and your head doesnt got all the way down that would cause it to be too long. was i not clear on that or what, i mean i thought it was pretty easy to understand.

[Falconsmikevick]

sorry i should've been more specific
Texlax: you are correct, but everyone else is talking about shaft lengths

[laxpred]

are longpole middies popular? i play D and the coach hates to put in long pole mids

[shiftylax]

It's a title the court system gives child molesters here in the states. J/J

Only in your state; the worst one in the union. Go join Mexico you Texan trash huffer.

Also, Slinky your profile is inaccurate. You do not rule. Not even the assistant mods bow to you. 45 inches...crazy Canadians...buncha cheaters....

I suppose a 43 inch shaft could count as an LSM...but you'd look pretty stupid playing "LSM" with a 43 inch shaft.

[AttackMan17]

Only in your state; the worst one in the union. Go join Mexico you Texan trash huffer.

Also, Slinky your profile is inaccurate. You do not rule. Not even the assistant mods bow to you. 45 inches...crazy Canadians...buncha cheaters....

I suppose a 43 inch shaft could count as an LSM...but you'd look pretty stupid playing "LSM" with a 43 inch shaft.

True...that would be "SLTANMSM. Slightly longer than a normal midfielders stick midfielder."

[Wubbie]

For some plays they are nice, and for a wingman on faceoff...

But you just jacked this thread >.<

[KnightsLAXDad]

He means is it illegal for the shaft to be 43 inches. Yes, it is illegal, you should cut an inch off of the shaft. Unless he's a goalie. Goalie shafts can be any length between 40-72 inches. attack and midfielder sticks must be within 40-42 inches max for field play. You will have to cut an inch off for it to be legal unless you're one of those weirdo canadians. No one regulates their sticks....


Wrong-o!

CLA rules are 42-46" overall stick length for bantam (13yr +) and older divisions and min 36" for under younger. There are also regulations for min and max width.

[shiftylax]

I doubt he is Canadian. Hence my pointed references to your homeland.

In FIELD LACROSSE, which 90% of the board plays minus the NLL and International forums, 40-42 is regulation. I'd like to meet a coach that lets his 4th longpole be used up with a 43-45 inch stick. I bet that coach is wearing a helmet and rides on a bus that is shorter than normal.

[tlaing22]

I doubt he is Canadian. Hence my pointed references to your homeland.

In FIELD LACROSSE, which 90% of the board plays minus the NLL and International forums, 40-42 is regulation. I'd like to meet a coach that lets his 4th longpole be used up with a 43-45 inch stick. I bet that coach is wearing a helmet and rides on a bus that is shorter than normal.


And THE Kyle Devitte would know because he's usually on that bus taking it to his job at McDonalds asking if people would like fries with that.

NORTH MEXICO RULES!

[ekeown]

I suppose a 43 inch shaft could count as an LSM...but you'd look pretty stupid playing "LSM" with a 43 inch shaft.

You were absolutely right the first time Kyle, it can't count as a LSM, because in the rule books (NCAA, and I assume NFHS too) it says that there can be 4 long poles on the field (a LSM would be the 4th, but technically it could be a LSA)
, but it also specifically states that a long pole must be between 52" and 72" long. So unless the player is a goalie, a stick that is inbetween 43" and 51" is illegal, but it depends on the ref you have on how they will handle the situation.

It is my understanding that the reason Canadian field lacrosse allows for longer short sticks, is because they assume players might be using a stick which they use in box lacrosse as well. Box sticks are made longer than a regular field shaft, and heads are pinched tighter, which also is why the rules for head widths for Canadian field lacrosse are more lenient.

[KnightsLAXDad]

I doubt he is Canadian. Hence my pointed references to your homeland.

In FIELD LACROSSE, which 90% of the board plays minus the NLL and International forums, 40-42 is regulation. I'd like to meet a coach that lets his 4th longpole be used up with a 43-45 inch stick. I bet that coach is wearing a helmet and rides on a bus that is shorter than normal.

Not disputing that, just the statement about no stick regulation in Canadian Lax.

[Melax]

Wrong-o!

CLA rules are 42-46" overall stick length for bantam (13yr +) and older divisions and min 36" for under younger. There are also regulations for min and max width.

wrong its minimum 40 inches and 34 they changed the rule a couple years ago

[KnightsLAXDad]

wrong its minimum 40 inches and 34 they changed the rule a couple years ago

Oops, my bad. Must be an old copy of the rules on the site I picked it from. Anyhow, the point was that weirdo canadians do have stick regulations too...

Here's the excerpt frm the Manitoba Lacrosse Association:

6. THE LACROSSE STICK

(a) The lacrosse stick head and handle shall be designed and manufactured of a framework of wood, plastic or other materials. On this frame shall be woven a netting of soft leather, nylon or other material. Replaceable handles of the lacrosse stick must be specifically designed and manufactured for the game of lacrosse. All designs and materials shall be approved by the CLA

(b) The Referees shall not allow the use of any Lacrosse stick, which in their opinion is liable to cause injury due to its construction or repair. Referees shall report to the appropriate governing body any case where a stick has been ruled dangerous and removed from a game.

(c) The player's stick shall measure not more than 116.84 cm (46”) nor less than 101.6 cm (40") in overall length, and not more than 20.32 cm (8"), nor less than 11.43 cm (4 1/2") in width. The measurement for width is to be inside frame measurement. Nothing may be added to or attached to the outside of the stick.

NOTE: In Pee Wee and all lower divisions, the minimum length of the stick shall be 86.36 cm (34") inches.

(d) No stick may be constructed, modified or strung in any way to withhold the ball from play or give a player an advantage over their opponent.

(e) The goalkeeper's stick may be of any desired length, but shall not be over 38.1 cm (15") in width. Nothing may be added to or attached to the outside of the stick. The measurement for width to be inside frame measurement.

[ghser99]

are longpole middies popular? i play D and the coach hates to put in long pole mids

well it depends your skill level, if you play at a lower level...it all depends on your stick skills

[fattie64]

funny, a kid on our team had his harrow checked and it was too long...is there a trend here?

[Brady]

Crosse—Dimensions
SECTION 17. The crosse shall be an overall fixed length of either 40 to 42
inches (short crosse) or 52 to 72 inches (long crosse), except for the goalkeeper’s
crosse, which shall be 40 to 72 inches long.--2005 NCAA Rulebook

So sticks (other than the goalie) 43 to 51 inches are illegal.

[RockStar]

Only in your state; the worst one in the union. Go join Mexico you Texan trash huffer.

Also, Slinky your profile is inaccurate. You do not rule. Not even the assistant mods bow to you. 45 inches...crazy Canadians...buncha cheaters....

I suppose a 43 inch shaft could count as an LSM...but you'd look pretty stupid playing "LSM" with a 43 inch shaft.

Box sticks are actually allowed to be 40 to 46" (34" minimum for 11 years old and under).

Note that there is no rule on pocket depth and we're allowed to play with 4.5" scoops.

There are no random stick checks by officials (Thank God....if the ball doesn't come out of your opponent's stick, geez, just hit him harder.....don't come crying to me!)

In addition to no random checks, coaches and captains rarely ask for them. As far as I'm concerned, only an arsehole calls for a stick check in box. Those arseholes only do it out of desperation when their team is losing an important game. No one cares about illegal sticks here (1/3 are legal, 1/3 are cheating, and 1/3 are cheating like crazy.).

[regulate34]

unless you're one of those weirdo canadians. No one regulates their sticks....
canadians dont have rules
because we rule
and we can catch a ball with a head pinched to 4.5 inches and not 6.5 because we got game sucka

[NewLacrosseDad]

of course i cut the top...

[NewLacrosseDad]

Nope the head was as far down as it could go - after cutting it - I used a self tapper...

[nofear45465]

hmmm. he probably bought the box version and not the field version. which is most likely why it was too long in the first place.

[Wubbie]

I'm one smart *****...

Meaning that a coach cannot waste his 4th LS on a 43 stick... for those who didn't catch onto that.