Finally Making a Head

[LaxJax_13]

I have been planning on making a lacrosse head for a while now, and I finally got started. I was able to sketch out a rough draft of the sidewall earlier. I plan on sketching out the face tommorow. Tell me what you think.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7249/protolaxsidewallcopy4un.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=protolaxsidewallcopy4un.jpg)

[bartsimsonii]

It seems too much like the torque.

[JedimasterKyle]

So its a mix or the Torque and the Evo Pro?

[AttackMan17]

Reminds me of a torque alot. I have been designing a head for a while...i had actually made it out of wood, but lost the wood.

[KnightsLax2]

That's an interesting design. How are you going to go about making this head? I'm curious.

[gigo567]

I see a little Answer mixed in there.

[LaxJax_13]

When I get the design figured out, I am going to carve it out of wood or wax then make a mold from there.

[Palmettolax45]

looks like a truth or a motive mixed with an answer. good luck

[atacklax]

Looks too heavy up by the scoop and too light down by the throat. Try reversing the sidewall pattern.

[NuKoN]

the throat looks Truth ish

[LaxJax_13]

I just started to sketch the sidewall out in a way that will provide support and has flow to it. Then it just came together and it kind of looked like a bunch of allready existing heads.
I see what you're saying atacklax, I'll make a small sketch and see how it looks.

[MeRattack]

torque + swerve?

[bloodilax977]

No offense, but is there a reason for where you placed your support, or did you just draw in some lines? Sidewall designs have to not just look good, but also create support for the head. Good luck.

[CHSlax]

torque/primer with an evo pro scoop but nice sketch.

[LaxJax_13]

No offense, but is there a reason for where you placed your support, or did you just draw in some lines? Sidewall designs have to not just look good, but also create support for the head. Good luck.

Yes there is reason for where I placed the lines for support. No offense taken

[LaxJax_13]

I was thinking out of the box on this one, but how would you think an axe shaped face like this would be.
edit: sorry for the double post.

[THE WALL #00]

design it on autocad then take the plans and have it cut out of styrophoam then wrap it in kevlar fiber

[James]

that would be an awesome face, lax jax. I dotn think very many people could catch with it

[LaxAttack2]

the problem with a head like that would simply be a enormous lip i'm thinking, since it's so pinched the mesh would sag a little then suddenly be stretched out to the 6.5 limit, if it's tapered enough maybe you could pull it off

[lacrosse19]

the first design you made looks like a swerve and a torque put together...i would say maybe delete a structure rail and add something unique!

[OULax6]

the scoop on your original drawing looks really whack, and im not too keen on the axe shaped face.

[zack Attack 12]

looks pretty tight, looks preexistent though, maybe just trying something completely unconventional and new?

[Blackhawk]

that sideall sketch looks like you could cut off somones arm with it. looks pointy and sharp. haha.

[the next 'one']

i am gonna have to disagree with you on the face, it looks like it would be too weak in the middle of the straight up part. it looks kinda like the arrow

[James]

the problem with a head like that would simply be a enormous lip i'm thinking, since it's so pinched the mesh would sag a little then suddenly be stretched out to the 6.5 limit, if it's tapered enough maybe you could pull it off
You wouldnt have to string the mesh all the was acrosse, kinda like open sidewalls for a norma head. You could just cut the mesh down to like 7 or 8 diamonds ( from 10 ) for the lenght of the head

[atacklax]

Your face sketch screams gimmick. Noone will be able to play with it.

[Farny]

The sketch of the scoop makes me think that it would scoop terribly.

[LaxJax_13]

Well I'm going to stay away from that face, I was just thinking that it probably wouldn't be that strong at the the to hindge points.

[LaxJax_13]

I just came up with two new sidewall designs.

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/6770/protolaxsidewall3copy4xf.th.jpg (http://img437.imageshack.us/my.php?image=protolaxsidewall3copy4xf.jpg)

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/8815/protolaxsidewall2copy7gn.th.jpg (http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=protolaxsidewall2copy7gn.jpg)

Also, should I design a regular face, an STX arrow face, or a guru face with the 6.5 wide spot at the very bottom of the head.

[laxngoalie]

as far as the face, i'd go for a more traditional one
the bottom one looks alot like a vapor

[LaxJax_13]

Yeah it does look a little like a vapor, I didn't notice that when I was sketching it.

[tomahawks11]

it looks pretty good. good luck!!

[goalieskcickay]

Or a guru face with the 6.5 wide spot at the very bottom of the head.

Please don't.

I sorta like your orginal face idea, but not as dramatic a change ffrom the pinch to the scoop. Make it more like an original g-force face, but with the pinch just a tad longer and a scoop like on your drawing.

[Farny]

Well, I wouldn't buy into any of these ideas.

[atacklax]

Just give it an evo pro pinch or something. Keep it simple. And I like the first one of your second sidewall designs. Orginal.

[bloodilax977]

Your plans look nice. How do you plan on going about making a head, though?

[Hookem]

Designing it on a computer program, and get a machine to carve it out into styrofome like that kid above said.

then getting the styrofome carving duplicated into a metal one, , its not a case, stick plastic in there and its a mold.

[NC-LACROSSE]

looks really cool and its a great idea reminds me of that custom lacrosse thing whatever happend to that anywyas, ah back on topic i think the sidewall loses to the scope might breack because of how it slopes inward but idk thats just me the head looks cool and you can draw alot better than i can, finally how are you making it because the plastic would have to be a special formula to play with and not break

finally the mold would cost alot

[bloodilax977]

finally the mold would cost alot

Yeah. Don't molds cost along the lines of $5,000 or something like that?

[Pickle]

In order from best to worst.... the first one first second one second third one...ummm third or worse cool designs hope it works out

I would call the first one the Hammer, but, you could prob. find a better name
Second one the Spin or the singe somethign catchy
Third one the "X"

[LaxJax_13]

Well I've decided that I'm going to give the head a deuce like face (I'll sketch it out and post it later today). As for the sidewall I ask that everyone please tell me which sidewall you like the best. I found a website that has real good tutorials on making molds. I still have to decide how i'm going to make the model that I will use to make the mold.

[PattyCake26]

ill but one, pm w/ price

[LaxJax_13]

I finall got the sketch of the face drawn out, tell me what u guys think.
PattyCake26 I have not made even an early prototype, so I don't think I'll be able to sell for a couple months.

http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/1644/protolaxfacecopy4du.th.jpg (http://img450.imageshack.us/my.php?image=protolaxfacecopy4du.jpg)

[laxpro]

Sweet Face!
I really like it. I like the throat, but I especially like the number of holes on the scoop. That might be really fun to string traditional, lots of leathers.

[LaxLlama8]

Looks sweet. I love the pinch, do the 1st of the second set of sidewall designs. The very first is ok, and the third one is vaporish. Do that face design with the 2nd overall sidewall design.

[atacklax]

Your face looks a little long. Shorten it and maybe hold back on the Kannon pinch.

[LaxJax_13]

No, the face isn't long (10 in. from stop to scoop). I think it may look long because my sketch got enlarged when I scanned it.

[atacklax]

Oh, okay. But I stand by my suggestion to unpinch it.

[LaxJax_13]

Unpinch it how much?

[mohawklax1212]

In order from best to worst.... the first one first second one second third one...ummm third or worse cool designs hope it works out

I would call the first one the Hammer, but, you could prob. find a better name
Second one the Spin or the singe somethign catchy
Third one the "X"

Stx already has the X2 and X3 but i dont know about just an x

[nofear45465]

i like the keyhole pinch though. keep it that way IMO. One thing Stx does right on their heads.

[slinkyspine]

Im getting a gait esque vibe. Which then mated a torque and kannon.


The toqanno

[DO IT BIG]

round out the scoop. Its very thick and pointy

[marflax33]

So far i love your head designs, it looks nice and i would definetly go for one if you were selling them. Theres only a few things i have to comment on. First off is the pinch, i would make it end a little lower, so it would be more versatile for all positions. Right now it looks like a strictly attack head, like an STX primer. And also the degree of offset. It looks kind of like the brine heads, with a sudden really huge dropoff, and a high degree of offset. i personally dont like lots of offset, but it would work. Those are my only 2 concerns, and good job so far.

[ReLaxin 13]

Stx already has the X2 and X3 but i dont know about just an x

Ummm The Excaliber?

[wolfie8914]

it looks like a ball couldnt even fit inside the head...way too pinched.

[LaxJax_13]

Thanks guys for the comments, I'll make a revised sketch of the face and post it tommorow.

[gobluemiddie]

cool heads, but a mold has got to be crazy expensive, otherwise lots of guys would make custom lax heads, si o no?

[dtl42]

Im getting a gait esque vibe. Which then mated a torque and kannon.


The toqanno


or the kanorque

[LaxJax_13]

Well the sketch took less time then I thought, so here it is:
I haven't figured out the exact costs but its going to be relatively cheap to make the mold, only thing costly being the time it takes to make it.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1197/protolaxface2copy6yg.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=protolaxface2copy6yg.jpg)

[GarysGod]

for some reason the head reminds me of the gait diseal (sp?), because the sidewall is so tall, and a tritian, because the curvyness of the sidwall. But thats not a insult, it looks sick

[GarysGod]

the face looks like a arrow, try making the top and top sidewall not as pointy

[Buzz1991]

pinch it like the blades were I love those, why did they stop them?

[LaxJax_13]

I'm kinda lik'n the scoop being a little milder than the arrow. For now its going to stay, but I may flatten it out a bit when I make the model.
I just need to make a decision on the sidewall could everyone please tell me if you like (in order from top to bottom the way they are posted) 1, 2, or 3.

[LaxJax_13]

I just added a poll so everyone can vote on their favorite sidewall design.

[Farny]

It should widen earlier. The narrow part of the face goes up too high.

[LaxJax_13]

In the second face, I did make it so it widened about an inch farther down than the first sketch.

[njlaxpunk10]

Im liking the 1st sidewall design. Alot like a Torque, but that isnt a bad thing. Torques are godly....How much would this thing weigh? Really liteweight, like a Torque, or is this going to be a brick?

One thing you should try is the curved scoop, really sexy and yet still so effective. Thats my $0.02.

If you ever sell one of them, ill give it a try.

[orangeman17]

sidewall #2 looks awesome

[Thomson#1]

I like the 1st design, light and flashy. Almost looks like a torque. I also like the face design a lot, TIGHT!

[bloodilax977]

I haven't figured out the exact costs but its going to be relatively cheap to make the mold, only thing costly being the time it takes to make it.

How so? Where are you going to get the mold made?

[LaxJax_13]

Well, thats when I was going to be making the head out of a resin. Now, that I am going to try and make it out of nylon, the only method to do this is injection molding. I still have to look a little into it but the lowest cost I have found for making an injection mold is $2000.

[OULax6]

you can just cover your styrofoam cutout in kevlar. it has been done before.

[LaxJax_13]

OULax6 are you refering to the goalie that made his own stick.

[syracuselax3]

Im really liking the second Pic. of the Face. Good Job.

[LaxJax_13]

I'll let you guys continue voting for another week while I try to get the materials I need to make the proto-type model.

[aviator]

these are so cool, when u make it post a pic

also, if u were gonna sell them, how much would u ask??

[jesuitlax]

dude i love your head designs so far, good job. The only input i can give is widen it a tad, not much and flare the sidewalls. I also like the very first sidewall design if you switch the support.

That face, widened and flared, very first sidewall w/ support switched would make a nice head that i would buy.

[tribal803]

Go with the first sidewall design. Though it does kind of look like a Torque, there are so many sidewall designs, it is so hard to make a sidewall design without looking similar to another one...unless it is some ugly a** sidewall. I like how the it flows, but fix up the scoop a little.

[LaxJax_13]

Well thnks for everyones imput, I am going to go with design one. I still have not been able to find wood I would be able to use to make the model head. If anyone knows where I could find wood, in block form, just a little larger than the dimensions of the head I'd appreciate it.

[SunDevil]

I like the first one because it looks like a torque and i happen to own one. So if you do make that head and sell it to brine, warrior and ETC. i may buy it.

[AttackMan17]

The X-one looks like a vapor...I like your original sidewall.

[flyersrule9733]

the very first one is best

[LaxJax_13]

It's been a while since I posted any updates about the head. I figured out the would problem and you can expect to see pictures of the anicial cut out in about a week.

[whslax11]

ha this reminds me of the time i was at my friends...we took a highwall and drilled holes into it and called it the sicknasty..haha

[Lax1228]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it would be sweet if you put an inflatable tube inside the sidewall that can be pumped up to control stiffness, similar to the Reebok pump shoes.

[goalie1215]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it would be sweet if you put an inflatable tube inside the sidewall that can be pumped up to control stiffness, similar to the Reebok pump shoes.

the head would have to be made of rubber. you could put plastic lining into the rubber so it wouldnt pop. that is so crazy it might just work:crazy:

[jaw22]

too many places to break on the throat. make a solid, thick throat.

[Vap0r]

(1st drawing) The first thing that came to my mind when I saw it was TORQUE TORQUE TORQUE. Dont pay attention to other heads, come up with something original.