Rule Question: Play on and Crease Violation

[michaeldwilson]

Situation:

Team A goalie is raking the ball for a pick up. Team B player strikes the goalie's stick. I call "play on."

The goalie then leaves the crease and then steps back in.

Here's how I interpreted the situation:

Since I did not call "Play on over," so there is no foul on the goalie.

If I had called "Play on over," then the goalie would lose the ball because of a crease violation.

Is this right or wrong?

Thanks,

Mike

[rilax]

Sounds like it was a loose ball play-on situation.
Goalie leaving the crease ect does not effect the play on since his team does not loose the ball. Award the ball 20 yards latterly to the defending team.

Now if the goalie had possession there would be a play-on for goalie interference. He runs out of the crease play-on is over. He reenters the crease with possession you have illegal reentry, turnover.

Hope this helps.

[LaxMVP25]

well according to my refs you dont have to call play on off . or at least i never here it

[michaeldwilson]

Sorry. I wasn't clear. Let me try again.

Situation:

Team A goalie is raking the ball for a pick up. Team B player strikes the goalie's stick. I call "play on."

The goalie gains possession of the ball, leaves the crease and then steps back in.

Here's how I interpreted the situation:

Since I did not call "Play on over," so there is no foul on the goalie.

If I had called "Play on over," then the goalie would lose the ball because of a crease violation.

Thanks for the help.

Mike

[spenny]

i'm not positive that i follow either, but from the NCAA mens rule book:

but check sections 6.2.c and also 7.10 and 7.11 which specifically cover play on situations. theres a pdf of the rules at www.ncaa.org.

in my ooinion, but the play on ended with the crease violation, which means that the clear for interference is awarded. so i think you were correct

[Snake~eyes]

Here's what I got.

The playon for interference ends as soon as the goalie gains posession. Then you have illegal reentry of the crease so it is offense's ball 20 yards laterally to the goal.


6.2 Situation H: While the ball is loose in the crease, A1 interferes with the goalkeeper. RULING: Play-on. If goalkeeper fails to gain possession of the ball, ball is awarded to Team B, 20 yards lateral fromt he goal.

[spenny]

hmmm, i think snake is right
look at 6.2.c (particularly the last sentence) A.R. 8 would also seem to bear you out

6.2.c. Any interference with the goalkeeper while he and the ball are in the crease, whether or not he has possession of the ball, shall be a play-on. If the goalkeeper has possession and fails to run the ball out of the crease or successfully complete an outlet pass, the ball shall be awarded to his team at the center of the field. If the ball is loose in the crease and the goalkeeper gains possession, the play-on has ended.

A.R. 8. While ball is loose in the crease, A1 interferes with goalkeeper B1. RULING: Play-on. If B1 fails to gain possession of the ball, ball is awarded to Team B, 20 yards laterally from the goal.

[michaeldwilson]

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Here's what I got.

The playon for interference ends as soon as the goalie gains posession. Then you have illegal reentry of the crease so it is offense's ball 20 yards laterally to the goal.


6.2 Situation H: While the ball is loose in the crease, A1 interferes with the goalkeeper. RULING: Play-on. If goalkeeper fails to gain possession of the ball, ball is awarded to Team B, 20 yards lateral fromt he goal.

Hi Snake,

Yeah, I thought about this, but the play on doesn't end when the goalie gains possession. It ends if he does not complete an outlet pass. But it might also end if he leave the crease, so he would lose the ball if he left the crease and re-entered.

Thanks,

Mike

[Snake~eyes]

Sorry Mike but you're incorrect. The only time the goal keeper gets the oppurunity to complete an outlet pass is when he is interfered with when he has posession. In your scenario he did not have possession therefor it is like a regular playon and ends when the goalkeeper gains posession.

Spenny has even cited the correct rule reguarding your scenario.

[pissedofflaxdud]

snake eyes is correct, possesion would end the play on. re-entering the crease would be a separate violation and the goalie would loose possession of the ball.

[michaeldwilson]

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Sorry Mike but you're incorrect. The only time the goal keeper gets the oppurunity to complete an outlet pass is when he is interfered with when he has posession. In your scenario he did not have possession therefor it is like a regular playon and ends when the goalkeeper gains posession.

Spenny has even cited the correct rule reguarding your scenario.

Ok, I got it now. Thanks for your patience.

Mike