whip/ soft mesh

[mackjf]

does whip make your shot a little bit harder. Because box is just starting and i just bought an evo pro and it came with soft mesh. If soft mesh gives me a harder shot then i'll keep it until the end of box. If not then i'l get hard mesh, also if it matters i like my pockets medium to high.

[leftwonder2]

usually hard mesh, in my opinion gives harder shots, with less whip. with whip, the ball gets hung up a bit, and it looses energy. soft mess is good for hold ussually.

[crazydrew86]

no pocket placement has nothing to do with shot speed and the more diamonds in the mesh the faster the shot. whip usually slows down the shot because you cant follow thru taking power off the ball

[cwb_lax]

actually pocket placement can slightly affect your shot speed b/c a low pocket gives the ball more distance to travel letting it build up more momentum therefore a faster shot.

edit: at least i think that is true. but what they ^ said about whip is true. so less whip is faster.

[crazydrew86]

uhm no pocket placement has nothing to do with shot speed

[jmaceD22]

your actually quite wrong- pocket placement is key to shot speed. the less deep and lower that pocket, the faster the shot.

[jmaceD22]

You are a very opinionated person, you should clearly state "i believe..."

[jesuitlax]

crazy drew---- http://e-lacrosse.com/stech102.html

read it and find out that ball placement is one of the leading factors in shot speed.

[cwb_lax]

yes. i knew it. thank you for backing me up jesuitlax.

[jesuitlax]

cwb_lax, welcome

i justdont like when peopleare so sure about something and they have no idea what they are talking about.

[WHEELAX2]

can't we all agree that no one really knows the exact scientific reasons why certain pockets/shooters/pocket depth/pocket placement/etc.. tend to give you a faster shot??

if a pocket made that much measurable difference, I could see us arguing this until we are blue in the face, but since different pockets really don't, then I think it's safe to drop this argument

shot speed comes from your body, and shooting motion.. that's how you get a faster shot Better Fundamentals, not different pockets, etc..

[3rdPersonPlural]

Since the ball accellerates during it's passage up from the pocket, over the throwing strings, and out over the scoop, the longer this distance, the more acceleration you get.

A shallower pocket redirects the ball less during this acceleration, and absorbs less energy in so doing.

Therefore, a girl's pocket that holds the ball as near as possible to the throat will give the best velocity, all other things being equal.

[slinkyspine]

Pocket won't noticably affect shot speed. Unless you have a 9 inch deep pocket or something.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Pocket won't noticably affect shot speed. Unless you have a 9 inch deep pocket or something.

Correct. But what the shooter notices and what the physics calculates aren't the same.

[jesuitlax]

http://e-lacrosse.com/stech102.html


seriously guys, read this article

[slinkyspine]

Correct. But what the shooter notices and what the physics calculates aren't the same.
That being true. It isn't practical to have a no inch deep pocket.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Jesuit, I DID read the article. I really liked the idea of wrapping the mesh around the scoop to smooth the release.

[jesuitlax]

yeah me too, it would make no wip as easy as pie. seems liek a good idea. but it would wear out the mesh at that part really fast,

[BioPro29]

There's a valid arguement for each side of this debate (lots of whip v.s. little whip). I beleive that some people shoot faster with a lot of whip because their form is tuned to the amount of whip in the stick. Others shoot faster with little to no whip, again because their shooting technique corresponds to the stick in order to get the fastest shot possible with it. Their's really no right or wrong answer to this.

If you're comftorable shooting (and passing, more importantly) with a lot of whip then go for it, but otherwise, just stick with what works best FOR YOU.

[Lax101]

The fact is that no features of a stick will truly make a faster shot than another. It depends COMPLETELY on how the player shoots.

Yes, naturally, less whip means the ball isn't kept in the stick as long, and momentum won't be lost as much. However, many great shooters in the game use elaborate cranks before shooting fast-especially sidearm shoots. How the hell can a player make an elaborate crank, especially sidearm, with no whip? They need that hold to keep the ball in while gaining momentum on their crank. So in some circumstances, super whippy heads are for fast shooters.

And the opposite stands true for people who shoot hard, quick overhand shots. They don't crank the ball and pull their arms back, so they get most of their momentum simply by force. Therefore, any whip would hurt them.

Guys, give that "world's fastest pocket" to some gunslinging sidearm shooter who likes to crank his stick all the way behind himself and use a 5-10 feet skip step before it...it won't work. Give a straight overhand shooter his whippy stick and it'll be the same result.

In the lacrosse world, everything is preference. There's no correct way to shoot, no correct way to throw, and definitely not a correct way to split dodge. Everyone develops their own game, and they all get their own success in different manners. That's why there is no answer to this question.

[dlaxer]

BRAVO! The Truth finally comes out. Praise the Lord! Make this post a sticky. Three cheers for Lax101. You are my hero Lax101! WooHoo, I'm going to go run around my neighborhood proclaiming that this has been answered.

[MDlaxin69]

lax101, thank you, i tend to crank shots with a gigantic windup and numerous hop steps, and that is impossible with no whip. thats why i keep my whip around a 4 out of 10 on the whip-o-meter.

[CnSLax3]

Correct. But what the shooter notices and what the physics calculates aren't the same.
Not really, really deep pockets slows ur shot

[Lacrosstitute]

What Lax101 said.....
It depends on your shooting style whether one pocket is better than the other, some like whip and some dont.

[cwb_lax]

agreed. if a mod sees this, close it.

[jesuitlax]

yeah i agree, its done and said.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Not really.

Physics demands a flat pocket with the ball settled as low as possible.

Practical lax (as so eloquently described by 101) adds the variable of wind up and shooting motion.

The bottom line is that he who gets the shot off quickest is going to score more goals than he who throws it the fastest.

Shoot for the off hip, and learn to bounce it there, and you'll score more than the guy with the 100 mph shot that hits the cage 3 times out of 10 and needs a 4 step windup.