Andrew Lazore

[Chamoo]

Just noticed something about the Akwesasne Lightning Jr. B star player from 2005 where the maximum age of the player is 21. Not all, but much of the success the Lightning had last year and in years prior have come from Lazore. Last fall, Lazore was drafted to the Arizona Sting and managed to make the team. He has played a few games this year, and in his NLL profile, it has him down as a 1981 birth. If my math is correct, that would make him 25 years old this year, and 24 years old in his final year of Junior. I think Akwesasne pulled a quick one on every Junior B team in Ontario about 3 years in a row.

[laxgoalieking]

Just noticed something about the Akwesasne Lightning Jr. B star player from 2005 where the maximum age of the player is 21. Not all, but much of the success the Lightning had last year and in years prior have come from Lazore. Last fall, Lazore was drafted to the Arizona Sting and managed to make the team. He has played a few games this year, and in his NLL profile, it has him down as a 1981 birth. If my math is correct, that would make him 25 years old this year, and 24 years old in his final year of Junior. I think Akwesasne pulled a quick one on every Junior B team in Ontario about 3 years in a row.
onandaga in 02 same thing one of the bucktooths also played for the oshawa generals in 93 when he was the tender age of 17...figure that out.

[Chamoo]

onandaga in 02 same thing one of the bucktooths also played for the oshawa generals in 93 when he was the tender age of 17...figure that out.

Not true, he would have been 21 when he played for Onondaga, he was born the same year Lazore was. He played for the Gens in 97-98, 98-99.

[#15Roadies]

"I think Akwesasne pulled a quick one on every Junior B team in Ontario about 3 years in a row." The only "quick one" Akwesasne pulled was Lazore's peewee stick length. I think the Gaels might have called it in the 2004 playoffs, but I can't remember.

As for Lazore's date of birth, well who ya gonna believe? Some NLL web page or the Bible of Lacrosse which states:

ANDREW LAZORE

BORN: NOVEMBER 14, 1984

Which would make him 22 this year and 21 in his last year of Junior.

[slinkyspine]

Position: Forward
Height: 6'1" Weight: 190
Number: 4
Nickname:
Birthdate: Nov. 14, 1981
Birthplace: Akwesasne, Mohawk Nation
Residence: Akwesasne, Mohawk Nation


Straight from Sting's webpage.

[#15Roadies]

I am betting the Sting webpage is wrong.

[EndlesFimbulvet]

Theres a middie on our field team named Garret Lazore...odd. Im gonna have to ask him if there related. He plays box too.

[Canada_Lax]

wow. just wow. i think akwesasne pulled the wool over the OLA's eyes. dont they have to register the players and send the forms into the OLA as well??? maybe the OLA is just stupid. should i email them and tell them whats going on just for fun??? it might bring some corruption in there

[#15Roadies]

Oh yeah, he fooled the ILF too because he played for the Iroquois in the 2003 U19 when he was allegedly 22: http://www.uslacrosse.org/html/iro.htm

Massive corruption! Literally tons of wool pulled over the OLA, CLA & ILF eyes. I mean, it must have taken a whole herd of sheep just to supply that much wool. Think of all those sweaters that were wasted. All those children going cold all because of Andrew Lazore. Someone from the OLA head office must know. But be sure to tell them your name and what centre your from when you tell them. :chuckle:

[lax85]

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but Lazore was born in 84. The Lightning did not pull the wool over anyones eyes, Lazore's stick was found to be leagle, no Garret and Andrew aren't related, and please do e-mail the OLA about this "corruption", I'm sure they'd get a kick out of it too (just for fun). Tidbit of info. There is such a thing as a "typo".

[nemesislax]

i seem to remember lazore having a very long stick, not a short one. He had so much leverage with it too. He could crank the ball.

[#15Roadies]

I saw Andrew playing in Jr B and it looked like he was using a peewee stick and man he could crank underhand. BTW lax85, I was just having sport with the non-existant "Andrew Lazore" conspiracy.

[lax85]

I know, I'm on your side Roadies, but I would have loved to see the conspiracy "unfold".

[laxgoalieking]

just like the 9 sixnay players some guy said were ilegally playing because they were all out of province...

[RockStar]

You know, the way I understand that the residency rules are written, it's not even that clear whether Six Nations actually did anything wrong. Either way, it's a wishy-washy rule with holes in it, and it may need a rewrite.

Personally, I'm going to wait until the OLA issues an honest, open, transparent statement on exactly what happened and why :roll: (Oh that was good, I almost said that with a straight face!).

In the end, it doesn't even matter much because Peterborough ended up going undefeated in the Minto tournament to win the National title.

[lax85]

And if Peterborough didn't win the Minto? The debate and accusations would still be going on on the OLA forum, wouldn't they?

I read all the posts about the issue and I have a question maybe somebody can answer. Now this may stir up more "controversy", but I have to ask.

Will the OLA look deeper into player eligability of all Akwesasne teams, from Tykes to Majors, because Akwesasne lies within the boundries of New York State, Quebec and ONTARIO? And if so, what type of restrictions do you think the OLA would place on Akwesasne, other than the existing rule? Could players, who have duel citizenship, find themselves looking in from the outside?

I know, that was more than "a question", and believe me, I have more, but these were on my mind for a while since the whole illeagle player issue came up. I know this may stir more controversy.

[#15Roadies]

Six Nations did nothing wrong. They went to the commish for a ruling and he gave it - fair and square. From there on in it has nothing to do with the Arrows. And as McLeod reads the residency rules, it is understandable how he concluded his decision. It is also understandable how people would disagree, but he's the boss.

You know, there is far more to the issue than illegal players and it runs a lot deeper than the garbage spewed out on the OLA "fan" forum.

As far as Akwesasne residency rules are concerned, the rules and regulations are pretty clear on that. It is not just Akwesasne, but also NOTL minor who has a fair share of kids coming over from NY. The issue is with, and only with, junior aged players that haven't come up through an OLA minor system.

[lax85]

I understand what you're saying Roadies, but that doesn't appear to be happening in the OLA. What they are saying is that, even if you played your whole career in the OLA up to and including Jrs., if you live out of Province or Country, you're ineligable.
What I don't understand is what you meant when you said Akwesasne residency rules are clear on that. Does that mean that Akwesasne and NOTL could face the same problems that Six Nations is being accused off, because they have access to these players? I believe in NOTL, that would mean "importing", in Akwesasne it's home grown.
I agree with you that Six Nations did nothing wrong. And I believe Mr Mcleod explained himself pretty clearly.

[#15Roadies]

Hey lax85 - no the rules only apply to kids who are not affiliated with an minor OLA association - like Kahnawake or Onondaga - or from another American centre. NY kids that are members in NOTL or Akwesasne are exempt from the rule, even including junior.

The by-laws say that out of province (OOP) players can be members of the OLA (in minor, junior, etc.) and the rules and regs say that certain conditions must be met for OOP and OOC players for junior, that is you can't stack a team with OOP or OOC players the way BC does.

The issue is whether those Arrow players were indeed OOC or OOP. We don't think so, but the rules are ambiguous especially since the players more or less came from Kahnawake or Onondaga - both having OLA membership junior B teams at one time. (not sure if they still do)

I say make the residency rules very clear, but make the "import" margin large enough to allow box to grow in the States, and not just in the Native rezes. I mean, sure there is a cadre in the OLA that is rather protective of boxla, I can understand that, but allow the game to grow cross-border as much as possible within reasonable limits. Hockey has done the same thing and it is still around and thriving cross-border quite well.

[lax85]

I agree, but what's hard to believe is that, even if you played 2,3, even 4 years in an OLA Association, if you move out of province or country, those years count as nil, because that's what it boils down to.

Thanks Roadies.

[#15Roadies]

"if you move out of province or country," I am not sure if I get your drift. Guys that spend most of their time in US colleges during the year don't have that prejudice going against them...

[lax85]

What about Jerome and Jeremy Thompson? They were two players named as "Illeagle". Maybe I don't know enough, or understand this issue clearly enough to voice an opinion, but I am trying. Boy, am I trying.

[Woody]

Dont know much about Boxla but Lazore played in the U19 Field Lax world games in 03 and was second in points for the Iroquois.

4 Andrew Lazore 5-4 9 2 11

http://www.uslacrosse.org/html/iro.htm

[plazore]

The Arizona team got their information wrong. Atha, well Andrew Lazore just turned 23 November 14, 2007, so he was of eligible age when he played for the Lightning. Trust me I'm his cousin. Another example of misinformation is the Portland LumberJax. They just signed my brother Peter Jacobs like 2 or 3 weeks ago and they said that "at the age of 19, he's the youngest player to be drafted this year" (follow link). http://www.network54.com/Forum/238065/thread/1195145608/last-1195216973/Jax++sign+rookie+Jacobs
Peter just turned 18 on November 1, 2007. Well, growing up with the kid all of his life who knows better than his own sister right. We in Akwesasne do follow the rules and yes I myself was surprised to see a mistake in both their ages, which is why I don't go and judge anyone else's profiles based on these mistakes, which I know for a fact are mistakes. I don't mean to come off as rude or anything, and I apologize if it seems that way, but I'm just clarifying the facts for you.


Just noticed something about the Akwesasne Lightning Jr. B star player from 2005 where the maximum age of the player is 21. Not all, but much of the success the Lightning had last year and in years prior have come from Lazore. Last fall, Lazore was drafted to the Arizona Sting and managed to make the team. He has played a few games this year, and in his NLL profile, it has him down as a 1981 birth. If my math is correct, that would make him 25 years old this year, and 24 years old in his final year of Junior. I think Akwesasne pulled a quick one on every Junior B team in Ontario about 3 years in a row.

[riddlebox]

this thing was settled more than a year ago man

[Chamoo]

Yea, I agree man. I apologized for screwing up a long time ago.