How's this for screwy?????

[CoachRob]

A2 slashes and is sent to the box. Play resumes, and 20 seconds later, B2 slashes and is also sent to the box. A2 has 40 seconds left on his penalty, B2 has 60 seconds. Ten seconds later, B1 scores against GK A1. I was running the clock since it was my son's HS game. I told A2 he could release for the final 30 seconds since his team was scored upon, but that B2 to stay put since his team did the scoring.

The official comes over to me and says that A2 is NOT released. I asked why, since he called it a slash, which is releasable. I explained to lock the players in for common time, making them NR for the common time, he needed to invoke rule 7-2, which the two penalties did not qualify for. He said that since each team had one player in the box, a goal does not release either. I said "What????" He didn't want to debate it, as it was late in the day with 1 minute left in a not so close game. But after the game, I tried to explain he was mixing up rule 7-2, which determines penalties as non releasable if it is (1) a SF situation, or (2) a live ball followed by a dead ball foul BEFORE the whistle to resume play. But not two live ball fouls separated by a dead ball period. He wasn't biting and said that was what he was taught and that was the rule. Any advice?

[Snake~eyes]

Just go with it, afterall you're the timekeeper, you tried to get it correct but its not like you can double tap the horn and request a timeout to challenge the misapplication of a ruling.

[laxfan25]

I would possibly talk (nicely) to the assignor for the game and explain what happened and tell him that perhaps some remedial training is in order. That's a pretty big mistake, and one you hope that other officials aren't making.

[LaxRef]

Tell him you're CoachRob, and he'll back down!

Seriously, though, if he's not listening, contact the assignor. And if the assignor is the one who taught him that, point him to rule 7-2-d, then ask him which rule he thinks he's invoking. Or send him here and we'll straighten him out.

[CoachRob]

Tell him you're CoachRob, anf he'll back down!

Seriously, though, if he's not listening, contact the assignor. And if the assignor is the one who taught him that, point him to rule 7-2-d, then ask him which rule he thinks he's invoking. Or send him here and we'll straighten him out.

At the time, I was just timekeeperRob, so it limited me. I'll maybe contact the assisgnor and let him know.

Thanks,
Rob

[Snake~eyes]

Personally, I wouldn't get involved, especially since you are an official. As soon as the official gets a call he's going to know who "tattled" on him and if you ever have to work with him on the field it won't be pleasant. JMO.

[laxfan25]

I think it's way more important to get this guy educated. If I was making a mistake like that I would appreciate knowing about it. My partners on games often enlighten me, and I don't hold a grudge! The assignor/trainer could also couch this in terms of discussing simultaneous foul enforcement and have this as an aside.

[LaxRef]

I think it's way more important to get this guy educated. If I was making a mistake like that I would appreciate knowing about it. My partners on games often enlighten me, and I don't hold a grudge!

He even pays up when he loses a rules bet! :thumbsup:

The assignor/trainer could also couch this in terms of discussing simultaneous foul enforcement and have this as an aside.

Or as a complaint from a coach instead of a timekeeper.

[laxfan25]

He even pays up when he loses a rules bet! :thumbsup:
Never gonna let me forget that one, are you? :crazy:
Of course if I had known then that I was working with the infallible LaxRef I might have reconsidered my wager!

[gfink]

I'd rather you send me an email to let me know who it was. Or send one to Stefan so he can correct this error in an email. Thanks

[3rdPersonPlural]

Word up, Coach Rob............!

[CoachRob]

I'd rather you send me an email to let me know who it was. Or send one to Stefan so he can correct this error in an email. Thanks

I don't have your email with me right now, so I had to use the PM.

[dlk]

There was a similar episode in a geme here yesterday....let me sun it by y'all.

A1 is slashed by B1 and B2. Whistle blows to stop play. B1 and B2 go off for 1 min penalties. Team A is given possession and play resumes. Team B then gains possession.

B3 is slashed by A1 and A2. Whistle blows to stop play. A1 and A2 go off for 1 min penalties. Team B is given possession and play resumes (2 players from each team in the box on personal fouls).

Team B scores a goal.

A1 and A2 are released while B1 and B2 remain in the penalty box.


WAS THIS CORRECTLY CALLED?

I have read and re-read the run-on sentences of 7-2d and cannot tell?

[LaxRef]

There was a similar episode in a geme here yesterday....let me sun it by y'all.

A1 is slashed by B1 and B2. Whistle blows to stop play. B1 and B2 go off for 1 min penalties. Team A is given possession and play resumes. Team B then gains possession.

B3 is slashed by A1 and A2. Whistle blows to stop play. A1 and A2 go off for 1 min penalties. Team B is given possession and play resumes (2 players from each team in the box on personal fouls).

Team B scores a goal.

A1 and A2 are released while B1 and B2 remain in the penalty box.


WAS THIS CORRECTLY CALLED?

I have read and re-read the run-on sentences of 7-2d and cannot tell?

This was correctly called. 7-2-d says that all fouls between the time the flag is dropped and the tiem the whistle blows to restart play are subject to the following: common penalty time between players on opposing teams is nonreleasable.

In your situation, there were fouls on team B only, then a whistle blown to restart play. Then there were fouls by team A only, then a whistle blown to restart play.

Had all of the fouls occurred during the same live ball + ensuing dead ball time, all penalties would have been NR.

BTW, wlcome aboard, dlk!

[dlk]

Great! Thanks for the confirmation of my thoughts.

I used to play the game in the days of cat gut and wood. I am now in Texas where the game is growing rapidly. Learing the "course points" of the ref business has been fun and I look forward to mastering the "fine points". We need refs badly all over the state, but especially in South Texas. Those we have try pretty hard, but we all need to learn more. (and for Texans...learning that LAX is not football is a challenge)

thanks again.

[LaxRef]

Great! Thanks for the confirmation of my thoughts.

I used to play the game in the days of cat gut and wood. I am now in Texas where the game is growing rapidly. Learing the "course points" of the ref business has been fun and I look forward to mastering the "fine points". We need refs badly all over the state, but especially in South Texas. Those we have try pretty hard, but we all need to learn more. (and for Texans...learning that LAX is not football is a challenge)

thanks again.

Just stick around here and you'll learn a ton. You can also go back through some of the old threads or search for specific topics.

[CoachRob]

This was correctly called. 7-2-d says that all fouls between the time the flag is dropped and the tiem the whistle blows to restart play are subject to the following: common penalty time between players on opposing teams is nonreleasable.

In your situation, there were fouls on team B only, then a whistle blown to restart play. Then there were fouls by team A only, then a whistle blown to restart play.

Had all of the fouls occurred during the same live ball + ensuing dead ball time, all penalties would have been NR.

BTW, wlcome aboard, dlk!

Great job explaining it LR. Yes, it was called correctly. Some refs beside the ones on this board seem to understand this overly complex situation. Great job.

[laxfan25]

dlk, you should make contact with ShrekJr from this forum. He is from the Dallas area, but you can compare notes and he may have some helpful advice.

[shrekjr]

Welcome to the board dlk. Anytime you want to compare notes between north and south TX, just let me know.