lifitng butt ends

[zanderaruba]

alright in our game today a dpole was tryin to pick up the ball and i lifted his butt end so he couldn't pick it up. i held it in the air for a good 3 seconds until a kid on my team came and picked it up. but the ref called me on it and i said what happened i was just lifitng his butt end and he said "there is a point where u gotta give son" like stop lifting give him slack is this illegal. or is the ref just an idiot

[zanderaruba]

no i let go way before at least 2 seconds because i ended up picking up the ground ball

[Longpole5435]

its holding, just as if you restricted the body movement of a player with your stick. Throw the check, and get off it.

[laxfan25]

No, you are allowed to hold the opponent's crosse with your crosse as long as you are within 5 yards of a loose ball.
Under the rule for holding it states;
Holding is permitted under the following conditions...
d. A player within 5 yards of a loose ball may hold the crosse of an opponent with his own crosse.
There is no time limit stated. This is a good time for your coach (who has read teh rulebook thoroughly) to call for a double-horn before they whistle to start play again.

[LaxRef]

No, you are allowed to hold the opponent's crosse with your crosse as long as you are within 5 yards of a loose ball.
Under the rule for holding it states;
Holding is permitted under the following conditions...
d. A player within 5 yards of a loose ball may hold the crosse of an opponent with his own crosse.
There is no time limit stated. This is a good time for your coach (who has read teh rulebook thoroughly) to call for a double-horn before they whistle to start play again.

What you can't do is to pin the opponent's crosse to his own body using your crosse, even within 5 yards of a loose ball. But it doesn't sound like that's what happened.

[spenny]

i held it in the air for a good 3 seconds until a kid on my team came and picked it up.

no i let go way before at least 2 seconds because i ended up picking up the ground ball

which is it?

sounds like a good call to me, once your teammate picked it up, its no longer a lift check, but a hold.
its the whole reason you call "release" when you pick up the ball, so you teammates wont get holding or moving pick penalties

[MElaxRef]

zanderaruba, the general rule is that, within 5 yards of a loose ball, what's legal is:
[1] holding crosse with crosse
[2] holding body with body, under usual restrictions (both hands on stick, pressure above waist, below shoulders, etc.)

What's illegal includes:
[3] holding crosse with body
[4] holding body with crosse
[5] holding the opponent's crosse against his body (variation on #4).

You said you held the defenseman's stick for 3 seconds - there is no time limit. However, you have to release the hold when the ball is more than 5 yards away OR when anybody (other than the opponent you are legally holding) gains possession.

[zanderaruba]

thanks for all the help. for what i have seen i was right. what i did was legal