Stacking question

[LaxRef]

NCAA Rules:

A1 has the ball, and he is slashed by B1, B2, B3, and B4. Then A1 slashes B4, ending the flag(s)-down, slow whistle.

The officials put everyone in the box for 1:00. After 1:00, B1, B2, B3, and A1 are released and B4 starts serving his penalty. Then a goal is scored 10 seconds later by team A. Is B4 released?

[Got Aloha]

that seems like a lot of penalties , are you sure it's not JV ?

[ExiledinIN]

What's the procedure for that many penalties. I was watching a game tonight and saw 1 flag, 2nd flag, hat. So what do you throw for the 4th? A shoe?

[ColtsLax]

how can the guy with the ball commit a slash. and why does B4 serve after everyone else

[laxattack17]

What's the procedure for that many penalties. I was watching a game tonight and saw 1 flag, 2nd flag, hat. So what do you throw for the 4th? A shoe?

During our game today one of our defenseman went crazy. He got two flags and a hat as well. 3 minutes for slashing three times. I told him that next time he got 3 slashing penalties in a row, someone on the other team better not be getting up.

[LaxRef]

What's the procedure for that many penalties. I was watching a game tonight and saw 1 flag, 2nd flag, hat. So what do you throw for the 4th? A shoe?

They aren't necessarily all called by the same official, but if one official had a fourth penalty you'd just yell "Flag down!" again and hope you can remember all of the numbers.

[LaxRef]

how can the guy with the ball commit a slash. and why does B4 serve after everyone else

A1 just gets so mad he slashes back at the fourth guy who slashed him. Or maybe he dropped the ball and then slashed B4. It doesn't really matter.

Under NCAA rules, you can't have more than 3 players from one team in the penalty area at one time. See:

A.R. 1. A1, A2, A3, and A4 receive one-minute releasable penalties which are all reported during the same dead ball. A1, A2, and A3 begin to serve their penalties at the same time, while A4 waits in the bench area immediately next to the scorer's table but not in the special substitution area. Team A restarts play with 7 players on the field. (1) Team B scores a goal after 30 seconds. (2) Team B does not score a goal in the next minute. RULING: (1) A1, A2, and A3 are released, and A4 begins serving his one-minute penalty. (2) A1 and A2 may enter the field. A3 must exit to the bench area, and A4 steps into the special substitution area and begins serving his penalty. Team A is now playing with 9 players on the field. A3 may now substitute into the game in the normal manner if desired.

Under NFHS rules, you can have as many people in the penalty area as will fit.

[ColtsLax]

technical jargon.
why does A3 have to go to the bench? it just seems like a waste.

[LaxRef]

why does A3 have to go to the bench? it just seems like a waste.

Team A was supposed to be down 4 men for 1 minute. The NCAA stacking rule says that Team A can't be down more than 3 men, so team A plays down 3 men for 1 minute, with A4 waiting to serve his penalty. If you let A1, A2, and A3 all go onto the field after 1 minute, team A would be at full strength, but they need to be man-down for another minute while A4 serves his penalty.

Thus, by sending A1 and A2 onto the field, A3 to the bench, and A4 to the penalty area, team A now has 9 players on the field and will play man-down for 1 minute or until team B scores a goal.

[laxfan25]

What's the procedure for that many penalties. I was watching a game tonight and saw 1 flag, 2nd flag, hat. So what do you throw for the 4th? A shoe?
Which game were you watching? Was it the one broadcast on Comcast?
I was doing that game. After that sequence there was laundry all over the field, since the single had thrown flags as well. There were two slashes and a USC, all on the same player. I was trail and had to report the fouls to the bench. The coach asked what the USC was for, and I wasn't sure. Later I asked the ref and relayed to the coach that after the second slash call the player verbalized "You've gotta be F-ing kidding me!" He acknowledged it was a good call.

[ColtsLax]

Team A was supposed to be down 4 men for 1 minute. The NCAA stacking rule says that Team A can't be down more than 3 men, so team A plays down 3 men for 1 minute, with A4 waiting to serve his penalty. If you let A1, A2, and A3 all go onto the field after 1 minute, team A would be at full strength, but they need to be man-down for another minute while A4 serves his penalty.

Thus, by sending A1 and A2 onto the field, A3 to the bench, and A4 to the penalty area, team A now has 9 players on the field and will play man-down for 1 minute or until team B scores a goal.
when the penalty is called, A has 6 men on the field. two poles, a goalie and three attack.

how can you fulfill the onsides rule if there are four penalties? if there are three in the box, and one waits on the bench. that makes them 4 men down, even if A4 isnt "officially" serving his penalty. in effect A4 serves a 2 min penalty, 1 min on the bench, and 1 in the box.

By only having 6 men on the field, it is mathmatically impossible to remain onsides if A gets the ball.

[LaxRef]

when the penalty is called, A has 6 men on the field. two poles, a goalie and three attack.

how can you fulfill the onsides rule if there are four penalties? if there are three in the box, and one waits on the bench. that makes them 4 men down, even if A4 isnt "officially" serving his penalty. in effect A4 serves a 2 min penalty, 1 min on the bench, and 1 in the box.

By only having 6 men on the field, it is mathmatically impossible to remain onsides if A gets the ball.

You're a little confused. When A1, A2, A3, and A4 go off, team A puts another player on the field so they will have 7 men, not 6, when play restarts. (This is the NCAA stacking rule and does not apply to NFHS.)

This is why, when the penalty expires, A1 and A2 go onto the field, (giving them 9 men on the field now), and A3 goes to the bench while A4 begins serving his penalty. If A3 went onto the field, team A would have 10 on the field and one in the penalty area, which is not allowed.

In some sense, A4 does serve 2:00 worth of penalty since he can't play for two minutes. But his team is only man-down due to A4's penalty for 1:00 (and 3-man down for 1:00 due to the other penalties).

Note that under NFHS rules, team A would be down 4 men for 1 minute. There's a special rule that says that if a team has fewer than 7 players they need to have 3 men on their offensive end and the rest in their defensive end. Thus, a team playing under NFHS rules and down 4 men would have 3 attackmen, a goalie, and two defensemen.

[ColtsLax]

ok, i didn't realize a guy went on for A4, thanks.

[ExiledinIN]

Yup, Michigan vs. Michigan St.

[LaxRef]

So, no one ever got at the key question here: Is B4's penalty time NR?

[BlueJaysLaxFan]

I also saw the lead throw flag, flag, hat, but the announcers were clueless (they said there was one slash call--that's it). Luckily the F bomb didn't hit the airwaves, because it was a great to see the game televised regionally. You guys looked good on TV, too.

[BlueJaysLaxFan]

Were any of the penalties considered simultaneous (if a slow whistle, I think yes under NFHS, and I have to look up NCAA)? If B1-3 and A1 were simultaneous, then I think that yes B4 also serves an NR penalty after the first 3 are served NR under the NCAA stacking rule.

[tjslax]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's NR. All the other players were locked in for 1 min. Just because his team had a lot of penalties his foul shouldn't become releaseable.

[LaxRef]

Were any of the penalties considered simultaneous (if a slow whistle, I think yes under NFHS, and I have to look up NCAA)? If B1-3 and A1 were simultaneous, then I think that yes B4 also serves an NR penalty after the first 3 are served NR under the NCAA stacking rule.

These are simultaneous fouls because we have fouls on both teams during the same live ball. However, even if some of fouls were dead-ball the common penalty time would still be nonreleaseable due to 7-2-d.

The interesting thing here is that B4 doesn't serve at the same time as A1, but I still think he penalty time would be NR because it would be if there was no stacking rule. Since the stacking rule forces team A to trade 1:00 NR being three men up for 1:00 NR being two man up and another 1:00 being one man up, I think that additional minute needs to be NR.