Take your time and think about it....

[shrekjr]

A1 clearing near the sideline. B1 checks A1's stick. B1's stick breaks, the top half of the stick falls to the ground, A1 loses the ball and accidentally kicks the broken part of B's stick. The broken part of the stick hits the bouncing ball, knocks the ball out of bounds, then continues flying toward my head. A1 stopped playing when the stick broke, and fortunately I was able to side step quick enough to get out of the way of the oncoming pieces. My first thought was "what just happened"? After what seemed like an eternity, but was probably only 3-4 seconds, I replayed the whole thing over again in my head the best I remembered it and called it out on A, B's ball.

What do you think? :wow:

[LaxRef]

It sounds like it never touched B. The broken crosse that it hit is no crosse, and it isn't even in B1's possession, so you can't say out on B1 unless it touched him. I think you made the right call.

[TXD2LAX]

A1 clearing near the sideline. B1 checks A1's stick. B1's stick breaks, the top half of the stick falls to the ground, A1 loses the ball and accidentally kicks the broken part of B's stick. The broken part of the stick hits the bouncing ball, knocks the ball out of bounds, then continues flying toward my head. A1 stopped playing when the stick broke, and fortunately I was able to side step quick enough to get out of the way of the oncoming pieces. My first thought was "what just happened"? After what seemed like an eternity, but was probably only 3-4 seconds, I replayed the whole thing over again in my head the best I remembered it and called it out on A, B's ball.

What do you think? :wow:

Take to asprins and call LaxRef in the morning.

[laxfan25]

I agree with LR. A1 is the one who caused the ball to go out of bounds, in an admittedly unusual manner. I'm also glad you have such highly-tuned reaction time!
Duck and Cover.

[WHEELAX2]

yeah.. sounds like A should get the ball ..

But.. this does raise a question.. the momentum of A1s "kick" essentially knocks the ball out of bounds..

but he kicks something that is really nothing under the rules which causes the ball to go out of bounds

hence, the cause and effect.. A1 kicks ________ ball goes out of bounds..

... interesting..

[Woodenstick]

I agree with LR. A1 is the one who caused the ball to go out of bounds, in an admittedly unusual manner. I'm also glad you have such highly-tuned reaction time!
Duck and Cover.

A1 last touched the ball. I believe that the ball bouncing off of a broken crosse is not relevant as to who gets possession, the broken piece of the crosse is just a part of the field like a pothole. Also, A1 accidentally kicking a piece of a broken crosse lying on the field is not a penalty.

Your call is certainly supportable, but another possible call would be to award the ball by AP, as the broken crosse on the field is dangerous and warrants an immediate whistle before the ball left the field.

[TXD2LAX]

How about this guys?

Award possession by AP. Though last possessed by A, it is definately a loose ball when strikes an object on the field. Like when a ball from an ajacent field ends up in the play area.

[LaxRef]

How about this guys?

Award possession by AP. Though last possessed by A, it is definately a loose ball when strikes an object on the field. Like when a ball from an ajacent field ends up in the play area.

AP is probably a reasonable call here, especially if you're really confused about exactly what happened, but if I knew for sure A1 touched the ball last I think I give it to B.

We stop play immediately for a ball on the field because that could confuse the heck out of people. No one is going to try to scoop up the broken stick and shoot it into the goal. And just because it hit the broken stick doesn't indicate that play needs to stop any more than when it hits an official (unless, of course, the official is unconsious, but then how is he going to stop play?).

[WHEELAX2]

he could stop play if he thought it were a dangerous situation

[LaxRef]

he could stop play if he thought it were a dangerous situation

Absolutely, but I think his main question is who should get the ball given that he let play continue until the ball went out.

[TXD2LAX]

I think AP would be an easier sell to both coaches. No matter who gets possession, you could tell the other coach, "your team will get possession the next time a stick breaks and the ball goes out of bounds off the broken part." :agree:

[shrekjr]

It all happened so fast, there wasn't time to declare it a dangerous situation. And fortunately, it was across the field from the bench area so they couldn't really see what happened. I gave it to Team B and no one said a word about it.

[TXD2LAX]

WOW!!!!! A ref that made a tough call that nobody got bent out of shape over. And in TEXAS no less. Great job. I know how hard the coaches, players, and fans can be in Texas.

[shrekjr]

Miracles do happen!

[ColtsLax]

could you have called a kicking of the crosse? then given it to B?

[nofear45465]

could you have called a kicking of the crosse? then given it to B?

i dont think that counts since the crosse was broken. or maybe im wrong. call me stupid but what is AP?

[blindbill]

AP means "Alternate Possession". If the Referees can't decide who to give the ball to, ie. who caused the ball to go out of bounds, It is awarded by "AP".
AP is decided initialy when the coin is tossed before the game. Winner of toss can decide which goal to defend or 1st "AP". If they are awarded the ball "by AP", the next time there is a question about who should get the ball, the other team gets it "by AP".