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lehighvalleylax
04-25-2006, 11:19 AM
Prelude to situation:
3 man Varsity game with a first year referee and two experienced (although one not good) refs. Beginner ref making questionable calls including calling an illegal body check because "he was over 5 yards away from the ball" and very apprehensive to make calls. Seemed to be easily swayed by the players and coaches.

Late in the 3rd of a close game and a pushing match happens on the far side of the field around the midfield line. The Lead and Rabbit blow the whistles and try to difuse the situation and this new ref is the trail and by the benches and OF COURSE doesn't realize he must hold the benches. He is staring directly at the scrum as a player from red starts to run from his bench. As asst. coach, I am holding my team/players at the bench and yell to the ref, "He's leaving the bench". The ref has no idea what is going on. The red team player gets well past the wing line before he kind of stops and heads back to his bench, the whole time I am still trying to point this out to the ref. All three refs confer and assign 2 minute unnecessary roughness penalties to the two in the scrum and give the player who left the bench a 1 minute USC??? We ask why not a 3 min ejection and the other team's head coach talks to the referee. After the talk, the referee wipes off the 1 minute USC because "the head coach told me it was not the kid's intent to leave the bench, he was just subbing. And I know both these coaches and I have no reason to believe either would lie to me. To penalize him this severely would be unfair because he didn' mean to." ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

My opinion: 3 minute NR - Ejection He left the bench. Case closed.

Game was way out of hand. Although I commend the one referee for calling an Unnesessary roughness on what was definitely a clean hit but would have made the game go worse.

Snake~eyes
04-25-2006, 11:38 AM
Is this just a chance to vent? Or are we suppose to comment on what we would do? I think its obvious that by rule we all would have a 3-minute ejection. Just kind of confused on what the purpose of this post was. :)

eme
04-25-2006, 01:12 PM
The player leaves the bench, runs to the near wing area, then returns?

No call. Maybe even thank him.

Rileylax
04-25-2006, 09:02 PM
agree with eme. not being there we can't necessarily conclude what his intentions were. Another story if he runs out swearing, threatening, and out to kill.

laxfan25
04-25-2006, 11:22 PM
Agree with eme as well. Also, what is questionable about calling an illegal body check when the player is more than 5 yards from a loose ball? Sounds like the right call to me...

Longpole5435
04-26-2006, 07:57 PM
Oh man, more fodder for my USC change rant, but I'll save it for a rainy day.
If the hit was within 5 yards, no penalty should have been called assuming it was legal in terms of hand placement, etc. USC SHOULD NOT BE USED TO CONTROL A GAME JUST BECAUSE A BIG HIT IS MADE. Okay I'm done there.

As for leaving the bench, you can't really call it, seeing as he went back. It is human nature to rush to interesting things and he may have just been trying to get a better look. Certainly, an ejection is uncalled for.

LaxRef
04-26-2006, 09:13 PM
As for leaving the bench, you can't really call it, seeing as he went back. It is human nature to rush to interesting things and he may have just been trying to get a better look. Certainly, an ejection is uncalled for.

IIRC, in the NBA, if you set one foot on the court during a fight, you are ejected and suspended for the next game. This is strictly enforced, and no one goes on the court anymore during a fight because everyone knows. It was my impression that this was the intent of the NCAA rule.

I would argue that an ejection is called for when they say:

Fighting is defined as a player, substitute, non-playing member of a squad, coach or anyone officially connected with a team deliberately striking or attempting to strike anyone in a malicious manner or leaving the bench or coaches area during an altercation.

An individual participating in a fight or any other action deemed flagrant misconduct shall be charged with a three-minute non-releasable penalty, ejection from the game in which the violation occurred and suspension from the team’s next regular-season intercollegiate game, including NCAA tournament games.

In fact, if that's not calling for an ejection, I'm not sure how you would go about calling for it!

Snake~eyes
04-26-2006, 09:45 PM
If a player leaves the bench during a fight in my game he is going to be ejected. Regardless of whether or not he goes back to the bench. Just my opinion.

nofear45465
04-26-2006, 10:12 PM
I would say i have to agree with laxref and snake eyes. if you trip someone even if you didnt mean to you are still going in the box. i dont see the difference here?

WoodDuck14
04-26-2006, 10:20 PM
Was this boxla? I have never seen players get in a fight in field beyond a verbal altercation.