You make the call

[LaxRef]

A1 has the ball or is within 5 yards of a loose ball. B1, with his hands apart, puts the crosse between his hands on the front or side of A1 and pushes him away. What call do you make?

[Snake~eyes]

I've got three options I'm going to pick from, in order of severity
a) No call but with a "hands together!" warning
b) Hold
c) Crosscheck

[laxattack17]

I don't see how it could be a hold?

[RottingMind13]

I believe that it's because you are impeding the progress of the player by not allowing him to move because his stick is taking up too much of your personal space. I voted for hold (used to be a cross check hold that dropped the first half no?) but I think there are factors to argue for other choices.

[bigDman]

if A1 falls then a crosscheck

if not No call but with a "hands together!" warning

and if he just stays there pushing then a hold

[Longpole5435]

I'd just throw a warning out there, puyt if it persists then it'd be a push

[3rdPersonPlural]

I've got three options I'm going to pick from, in order of severity
a) No call but with a "hands together!" warning
b) Hold
c) Crosscheck


Yeah, Snakey has the 'it depends' answer neatly summarized.

[LaxRef]

A1 has the ball or is within 5 yards of a loose ball. B1, with his hands apart, puts the crosse between his hands on the front or side of A1 and pushes him away. What call do you make?

This was pretty interesting, with a full range of answers from "No foul" to "Personal foul—crosse check." Here's my take on it:

I don't think it's a cross check. If you hit with the portion of the cross between the hands, I'm going to call that a cross check. That is, if I thrust my hands away and hit you with the crosse, or I hold my crosse extended, run toward you, and hit you with the crosse, those are cross checks.

What I described is not as violent: I put the portion of the crosse between my hands on you and I use that to push you away. Now, if I don't push but just restrain you with the portion of the crosse between my hands, that's a hold. Here, I'm pushing; you could probably sell a hold call, but it really is an illegal push. See:

A player shall not thrust or shove an opponent from the rear. A push is exerting pressure after contact is made and is not a violent blow. Pushing is permitted from the front or side when an opponent has possession of the ball or is within 5 yards of a loose ball. In this case, pushing must be done with either closed hand, shoulder or forearm and both hands must be on the crosse.

Since this push is not being done with the closed hand, shoulder, or forearm, I'd say it's an illegal push.

Now, some people said "Technicaly illegal, but no call." For that, I'd say it depends on TPOAD. If the illegal push just jostles the guy a little during a loose ball, I'm not making a call. But if he uses the extra leverage he gets from using the crosse to push the guy off his feet, I have a play-on push (or, if in possession, I have a flag down).

So, I think some of the variability in the answers is just from people visualizing different things, but keep in mind that pushing using the crosse is illegal can can be called when warranted.

[MElaxRef]

The scenario says that B1 pushes A1. There are lots of ways for B1 to legally push A1, but using the crosse handle is not one of them.

For years, the NCAA has been asking officials to enforce the "crosse check hold" - what this scenario describes could be described as a "crosse check push".

On the field, illegal pushes usually aren't called unless they create a significant advantage / disadvantage, such as A1 going out of bounds, A1 going into the crease, A1 stumbling & missing a shooting / passing opportunity.

[LaxRef]

The scenario says that B1 pushes A1. There are lots of ways for B1 to legally push A1, but using the crosse handle is not one of them.

For years, the NCAA has been asking officials to enforce the "crosse check hold" - what this scenario describes could be described as a "crosse check push".

On the field, illegal pushes usually aren't called unless they create a significant advantage / disadvantage, such as A1 going out of bounds, A1 going into the crease, A1 stumbling & missing a shooting / passing opportunity.

I agree, and I probably could have done a better job clarifying the situation, which is probably why we were roughly evenly split between "Illegal but no call," "Technical foul (hold or push)," and "Cross check." What I was envisioning—and, again, I should have been more explicit—was B1 pushing A1 and A1 falling over, in which case I think you need to make the call.

But maybe it was good to leave it a little vague to remind us the range of things we can picture when we read one of these scenarios?

In any case, I think the only really wrong answer that was selected was "Legal play."

[shrekjr]

For years, the NCAA has been asking officials to enforce the "crosse check hold"...
Interesting, one because I haven't heard that, and two because I guarantee our new officials are not being taught this and have probably never heard of it. I'll admit it was my 2nd-3rd year before I figured out what the coaches were yelling about. But even now that I know what it is, it is still rarely called in this area. I agree there should be a lot more of it called, but there isn't.

[Woodenstick]

The scenario says that B1 pushes A1. There are lots of ways for B1 to legally push A1, but using the crosse handle is not one of them.

For years, the NCAA has been asking officials to enforce the "crosse check hold" - what this scenario describes could be described as a "crosse check push".

On the field, illegal pushes usually aren't called unless they create a significant advantage / disadvantage, such as A1 going out of bounds, A1 going into the crease, A1 stumbling & missing a shooting / passing opportunity.

Our latest instruction was to call cross check holds, but do not call them that, just call them a "hold." Apparently people were confused by the term "Cross-check hold."

For pushes, one time we have been instructed to call them without a significant advantage is when you have a loose ball scrum that is going nowhere, just call the push and get the ball off the ground.

[laxfan25]

Our latest instruction was to call cross check holds, but do not call them that, just call them a "hold." Apparently people were confused by the term "Cross-check hold."
I agree that this call should be made more often than it currently is. I also remember when they asked us to drop the crosse-check prefix to eliminate confusion. When I call it now I say "HOLD, crosse-check hold" so that the player knows what the infraction was.

[LaxRef]

I agree that this call should be made more often than it currently is. I also remember when they asked us to drop the crosse-check prefix to eliminate confusion. When I call it now I say "HOLD, crosse-check hold" so that the player knows what the infraction was.

I say, "Holding with the crosse between the hands."

[laxfan25]

Here is a good example for this poll question;
Check the position of the hands on the defender's stick and the location on the attacker's body;

http://www.mini2.com/galleries/data/500/crosscheck_hold.jpg

There are multiple options here -
You could call the push in the back, although if the player was not moving toward the goal that may not be advantage gained.
You could call the cross-check hold, since I don't think you'll ever see a more blatant example (although usually you see it when the attacker is backing in), or
If the defender thrusts forward hard with the stick, a crosscheck personal may be in order.
Saw a lot of this defensive style that day.

[laxstar841]

i think it depends on what level of play colledge probaly not. highschool mabey. Youth... gotta make the call

[Snake~eyes]

laxfan25, I'd be hard pressed to call a hold like that if the guy is running away from the defender. I'd lean more towards a push.