No Guard stop scenario [Archive] - The Lacrosse Forums

Snake~eyes

05-01-2006, 08:34 PM

Here we go...

1) A1 requests that you stick check him before the game, everything is legal but that he needs a guard stop. You check A1 at the end of the first quarter and he has no guard stop. RULING: ?

2) At the end of the first quarter you check A1's stick and find that he has no guard stop. You tell him he needs a guard stop, you notice that in the 3rd quarter A1 is playing without a guard stop. RULING: ?

Thoughts?

LaxRef

05-01-2006, 08:50 PM

Here we go...

1) A1 requests that you stick check him before the game, everything is legal but that he needs a guard stop. You check A1 at the end of the first quarter and he has no guard stop. RULING: ?

2) At the end of the first quarter you check A1's stick and find that he has no guard stop. You tell him he needs a guard stop, you notice that in the 3rd quarter A1 is playing without a guard stop. RULING: ?

Thoughts?

Under our local rules, we penalize no mouthguard or an illegal mouthguard as a 1:00 NR foul, and we penalize having a legal mouthguard not fully in the mouth or hanging from the facemask as a technical. (Having a mouthguard stuck in the helmet, sock, etc. is 1:00 NR.) I don't know where they came up with this, but I like the rule.

Anyway, last game one of the captains at the coin toss had his mouthguard trimmed to the point where it probably didn't even cover his front four teeth. I told him to get a legal mouthguard before the game started. Later in the game, I saw him on the field and asked to see his mouthguard. He reluctantly showed me the same mouthguard he had before, so I gave him a 1:00 NR USC for not complying.

So, sorry for the longwinded answer, but I think your scenarios have the same feeling to them. In further support, we have:

A.R. 11. A1 has strings on his crosse that have a hanging length greater than 6 inches. RULING: Officials shall instruct A1 to cut the strings to the proper length. If A1 does not, a one-minute, non-releasable penalty shall be assessed.

This seems to indicate that noncompliance with these sorts of issues should be 1:00 USC fouls.

Shorelax

05-02-2006, 12:36 PM

Here we go...

1) A1 requests that you stick check him before the game, everything is legal but that he needs a guard stop. You check A1 at the end of the first quarter and he has no guard stop. RULING: ?

2) At the end of the first quarter you check A1's stick and find that he has no guard stop. You tell him he needs a guard stop, you notice that in the 3rd quarter A1 is playing without a guard stop. RULING: ?

Thoughts?

Ball Stop or Mouth guard?

stinisonfire

05-02-2006, 03:42 PM

Do you need a ball stop as a goalie?

Snake~eyes

05-02-2006, 03:51 PM

Do you need a ball stop as a goalie?
Yes you do.

NuKoN

05-02-2006, 05:26 PM

Do you gain an advantage without a ball stop?

No; the oppsoite I would say.

LaxRef

05-02-2006, 07:16 PM

thats what i thought. but then why do you need one?

Because the rules have said that for years. No one alive knows why. :chuckle:

Snake~eyes

05-02-2006, 07:25 PM

Do you gain an advantage without a ball stop?
Doesn't matter. It's black and white. You either have a ball stop or you don't, no gray area. You cannot apply advantage to black and white.

farside268

05-02-2006, 07:31 PM

Because the rules have said that for years. No one alive knows why. :chuckle:
I believe this is a remnant of the wooden stick era. Those sticks had a very sharp angle between the sidewalls at the base of the net. Without a ball stop, the ball could slide down in the net and be held in place by the back of the stick.

LaxRef

05-02-2006, 07:42 PM

Doesn't matter. It's black and white. You either have a ball stop or you don't, no gray area. You cannot apply advantage to black and white.

I'm not sure he was saying, "There's no advantage to not having one, so don't call it." I think he was saying, "If it doesn't provide an advantage to play without a ball stop, why the heck is one required?" I wonder the same thing.

dram183

05-02-2006, 10:15 PM

well the ballstop does protect the head from cracking from the impacts

stinisonfire

05-03-2006, 12:08 AM

Yes you do.

Hmm, I was never told by an official all year about my lack of ball stop as the goalie..

Snake~eyes

05-03-2006, 01:35 AM

Hmm, I was never told by an official all year about my lack of ball stop as the goalie..
Simply not noticed or they noticed but could care less.

RockStar

05-03-2006, 06:51 AM

I believe this is a remnant of the wooden stick era. Those sticks had a very sharp angle between the sidewalls at the base of the net. Without a ball stop, the ball could slide down in the net and be held in place by the back of the stick.

Great minds think alike
http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=43714&p=654243
My identical theory is somewhere in this thread.

They're clearly not needed on plastic sticks for any reason. Sadly, they're in the rules, representing one more pointless thing to worry about.