longpole icepick

[blckout20]

For the longest time I thought it was a legal check to catch him with the bottom of the shaft not even the butt end but the bottom of the shaft with a check. Then today at prac I did it perfectly clean stick on stick and coach ran me and said it was illegal. I think he might have just been saying this to me so I wont do it anymore but can some one clarify the rules on lp icepicks for me.

[waxon]

They are illegal. I think the technical rule is you have to try, or at least make it look like your hitting him with the head of your stick.

[SheepShank]

I think it might only be illegal with a long pole.

[blckout20]

okay....damn

[Snake~eyes]

Your coach is incorrect, unless you hold the player or slash him the check is legal; long pole or not.

[michaeldwilson]

Yeah, that's a good check, like a wrap check.


Mike

[michaeldwilson]

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Your coach is incorrect, unless you hold the player or slash him the check is legal; long pole or not.

Hey Snake,

You can hold the offensive man who has the ball, using stick and shoulder, like the defensive long pole "V hold."

Mike

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by michaeldwilson
Hey Snake,

You can hold the offensive man who has the ball, using stick and shoulder, like the defensive long pole "V hold."

Mike
Yes you can do that, what I meant was holding via the icepick check woudl be illegal.

[LaxRef]

Originally posted by blckout20
For the longest time I thought it was a legal check to catch him with the bottom of the shaft not even the butt end but the bottom of the shaft with a check. Then today at prac I did it perfectly clean stick on stick and coach ran me and said it was illegal. I think he might have just been saying this to me so I wont do it anymore but can some one clarify the rules on lp icepicks for me.

I can't think of a rule that could be construed to prohbit such a stick check.

[lonekau911]

okay, to make sure i get the facts straight....Is it legal to use the bottom half or not?

Also, i have this check where i lift on their off stick side, and as i do that i come across and hit their stick with the bottom end...would that be illegal?

[LCNlaxman]

It IS legal as long as you do not hold the player OR as long as you hit stick-on-stick.

[lonekau911]

Ok, good...Cause i have been practicing alot of checks and there are quite a few that i use my bottom half of the stick with

[laxfan25]

There is no rule that you have to use the head end of the stick to make your check.
I've seen players use a variety of moves with the butt end; horizontal check like the ice pick where they flick the wrist backward to wrap around the player, coming over the head and circling around the player like an egg beater, etc. As several mentioned above, you've got to be really careful because it's very easy to hook the player's arm or whatever and get called for the hold. As a ref, as soon as I see that type of check coming, I am watching very closely because of the higher potential for injury or fouls.

[Paul_Gait_RULZ]

BE CAREFUL IF YOU PLAY BOX LAX...I'VE BEEN NAILED FOR ICE PICKS AND BUTT END CHECKING IN BOX IN CANADA!!!!!

LOL...

But such a check is legal here as long as it is controlled and to play the ball or in motion to strip the ball from the other guy.... The only reason I can see this coach telling you not to do it is either you hit free arm/ used a free hand to hold him/ did not hit stick/ not in play for the ball/ he's an idiot (or box laxer from canada)/ it can be a very bad habit to chase the icepicks, I remember playing a long pole that loved the move but it became so obvious that I'd lure in the icepick and made my cuts to the net according to when he'd attempt it...Make sure as a long pole you do not get caught chasing bit hits

[lonekau911]

I have another question...

Lets say, im playing this guy...his back is turned to me...can i go over the shoulder(or around) and bring the butt end of my stick down between him and his stick and then try and rip his arm away or his stick outta his hands??

[LCNlaxman]

By context, i'm pretty sure it's legal. Maybe not the best choice (may get called for slash, USC, etc) but i think you'd get away with it PROVIDED you hit his stick.

[laxfan25]

I have another question...

Lets say, im playing this guy...his back is turned to me...can i go over the shoulder(or around) and bring the butt end of my stick down between him and his stick and then try and rip his arm away or his stick outta his hands??
This is where things get dicey. If you catch his arm and pull it away I would call you for holding at least. If you can get stick it'd be OK. This would be tough enough with a short stick, almost impossible with a D stick. As mentioned above, while you're trying all this fancy bullsheet, a good attackman will be leaving you flatfooted. You're not going to be in good defensive position, you'll be off-balance on your tippy-toes. Risk vs reward with that move are not in your favor.

[RockStar]

Just as a piece of trivia, ice-picks are a big no-no in box. Too many guys getting spiked in the legs, mid-section, sternum etc. from botched ice-picks, so they made them illegal.

Refs are instructed to rule an ice-pick as attempted butt-ending, 5 minute major penalty.

If you slapped someone's stick with the lower part of the shaft, a ref wouldn't call it. However, if you come over the top and try to check a stick with a downward stabbing motion, that's an ice-pick = butt-ending = you're going to the box for 5.

[moondog]

My favorite check is two hands, over-the-top, since I'm 6'3'' and have long arms. It almost looks like a bear-hug, but I separate my hands at the very last second, and I make sure I dislodge the ball immediately. In 3 years, I've only been called for a hold once, and that was because the referee had never seen the check, and anticipated that I would hold. He guessed wrong.

I'd recommend over-the-top if you're tall and quick. You have to have the leverage and advantage on your attckman, too.

[spenny]

to echo what snake and lax-ref are saying, its legal
but dont forget first rule of dealing with coaches:

dont piss off the guy that decides playing time.