View Full Version : How does this not get called?
nemesislax
05-09-2006, 08:34 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/19
The pocket is clearly illegal.
And if you look at alot of those pics on lax.com you can clearly see that some of the pockets these guys use are just enormous.
Is there like an unwritten rule in high-end D1 lacrosse that you don't ask for stick checks on the other team??
THE WALL #00
05-09-2006, 08:37 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/19
Is there like an unwritten rule in high-end D1 lacrosse that you don't ask for stick checks on the other team??
there is kinda an unwritten rule.. If you dont call the other team on illeagle equiptment they wont call you
Attackalltheway
05-09-2006, 08:37 PM
Maybe the guy got called for it right after the pic was taken.
nemisis101
05-09-2006, 08:37 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/22
Check this one out
nemesislax
05-09-2006, 08:39 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/24
and this guys too
crazydrew86
05-09-2006, 08:42 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/22
Check this one out
in this picture the guy is cradling stretching the mesh i garuntee you that his pocket is not that large when not cradaling
RockStar
05-09-2006, 08:45 PM
The world would be a better place if no one gave a rat's arse about the shape of a head and the size of a pocket!
Ball not coming loose? HIT HARDER! :agree:
dram183
05-09-2006, 08:46 PM
well, usually in all levels of lacrosse, you dont call for a stick check unless they start doing ridiculous things
x-man
05-09-2006, 08:49 PM
Umm these guys are di and probavly in good shape maybe power cradling which streches the meash.
Cradling stretches the mesh plus the mesh that is used by these guys is mostly VERY broken in hard mesh, that is close to soft mesh meaning it will stretch even more, Further more, a lot of players (Sean Morris and other UMass players included) use shooting string bottom strings providing even more stretch to the pockets depth
Jephman
05-09-2006, 09:42 PM
The world would be a better place if no one gave a rat's arse about the shape of a head and the size of a pocket!
Ball not coming loose? HIT HARDER! :agree:
If you can't knock some rubber out of some mesh with some plastic, your a pathetic, pansy, Tiddly Winks player. Having said that, it was a very fun game.
Mad-Max
05-09-2006, 09:47 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1452/34
care to take a gander?
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1448/37
GILax18
05-09-2006, 09:55 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1452/34
care to take a gander?
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1448/37
HAHAHAHA!
Dang. What a bucket.
cbhslacrossemid
05-09-2006, 09:58 PM
HAHAHAHA!
Dang. What a bucket.
Don't you mean 'bag'?
Big-Red
05-09-2006, 10:30 PM
yeah... basically people in my league get called when the ball doesn't instantly roll out the back of the stick... or they have a pocket like one of those!
I wish I could have a pocket that big...
GILax18
05-09-2006, 11:03 PM
Don't you mean 'bag'?
Nah, I say bucket. Bag is too cliche.
OULax6
05-09-2006, 11:54 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1448/37
That is a serious sack!
HRLAXER
05-10-2006, 12:11 AM
yeah here they like push the ball into the throat and strech the mesh out and see if its illegal. the refs here arnt very good.
coqlax
05-10-2006, 12:16 AM
how big do the pockets have to be?
irishlaxburger2
05-10-2006, 06:06 AM
A lot of kids in D1 play with pockets that are illegal in one way or another. In most cases the refs have a lax attitude about it as well.
WHEELAX2
05-10-2006, 07:00 AM
A lot of kids in D1 play with pockets that are illegal in one way or another. In most cases the refs have a lax attitude about it as well.
I really hope you're not serious about this.. Most do not play with pockets that are illegal, and refs certainly aren't lax about them either..
many of the angles of these photos appear to be showing sticks that are illegal.. I challenge you to put a ball in your stick, and turn it slightly.. look illegal?? of course it does... and another thing.. the centrifugal force of the ball pulls on the pocket which makes it sag as you cradle, and wind up to shoot.. just look at the flex in some of the shafts.. do you think they return to their original shape after a check??
PearlJam9
05-10-2006, 07:20 AM
There was a stick check requested in last years Virginia Hopkins???
WHEELAX2
05-10-2006, 07:29 AM
there is kinda an unwritten rule.. If you dont call the other team on illeagle equiptment they wont call you
no.. there is no "unwritten rule" sorry..
irishlaxburger2
05-10-2006, 07:50 AM
I really hope you're not serious about this.. Most do not play with pockets that are illegal, and refs certainly aren't lax about them either..
many of the angles of these photos appear to be showing sticks that are illegal.. I challenge you to put a ball in your stick, and turn it slightly.. look illegal?? of course it does... and another thing.. the centrifugal force of the ball pulls on the pocket which makes it sag as you cradle, and wind up to shoot.. just look at the flex in some of the shafts.. do you think they return to their original shape after a check??
Actually I am serious about this. I played D1 lax last year and a lot of the kids on my team used sticks that were illegal in some way, shape, or form. Hell, Im best friends with the kid that earned MAAC Rookie of the Year honors because we went to high school together and his pocket is about 3/4 of an inch illegal depth wise. I agree that its unfair, but since a lot of people do it, it is becoming more common. I blame it on the refs who come back at the end of periods and give illegal sticks back to kids and say stuff like "just tighten that up a little bit for me or I may have to throw a flag next time". I have actually heard that line numerous times in person and have heard from people who have experienced it. Believe me or not, thats your own prerogative, but Im not making this stuff up
Ilikebigsticks
05-10-2006, 12:19 PM
Anyone remember when they caught Bill Mcglone in the Georgetown-Maryland Quarterfinal last year? Georgetown almost won the game becuase of that. I would bet that when the games start getting more important the refs start acting a little less relaxed about it.
nofear45465
05-10-2006, 02:22 PM
i really dont get why they need an illegal stick. they are all already better than any of us and i dunno. they probably should be a little more strict on sticks but yeah. which do you think helps more, a realy deep pocket or a head that is pinched illeagaly?
Hackstall
05-10-2006, 04:06 PM
I read a few articles in inside lacrosse the other day about how deep pockets are ruining the field game. Rockstar says "hit harder" but the fact of the matter is that the balls are just not coming out like they used to.
If anyone wants to have a look it is in the April 15 issue with the Team Canada players on the front.
carolinafreak
05-10-2006, 04:12 PM
A kid we played had a couple weeks ago had a triton with a pocket so deep, you caould stack two balls on top of each other it was still illegal
plaidpenguin
05-10-2006, 04:53 PM
a lot of them use draw strings. i went to the Umass camp for the last two years and didn't see one player with a legal pocket. One of them even showed me how to make one.
I Am Legend
05-10-2006, 05:21 PM
Call me crazy but i just dont like extremely deep pockets
MaKiMaKi13
05-10-2006, 05:23 PM
i'd never use an illegal pocket its not even true that most D1 or any division player uses and illegal pocket its just camera angles check it out yourself or why dont you go to one of the teams games adn talk to them in person but the truth is some people will use a legal pocket and some won't live with it
and about the VA Hopkins game last year they stick checked Jake Byrne and his pocket was completely legal
penguinwobbler
05-10-2006, 05:59 PM
those are some nice bags. illegal pockets are fun!
B1ackout
05-10-2006, 06:06 PM
idk ive made some pockets that deep when jsut messing around and i personally cant throw with pockets that deep.
Laxhockey
05-10-2006, 06:33 PM
in this picture the guy is cradling stretching the mesh i garuntee you that his pocket is not that large when not cradaling
lol i know that guy he is my freind's boyfreind. brain jackaova i think his name is.
D Bay
05-10-2006, 06:38 PM
a lot of them use draw strings. i went to the Umass camp for the last two years and didn't see one player with a legal pocket. One of them even showed me how to make one.
When you say drawstring, you mean they use those things that go on glove laces, right?
B1ackout
05-10-2006, 06:44 PM
theres a way to do a nylon bottom string that allows u to have 2 different set lenths on them. what u do is u make the bottom string a u that only uses 2 holes. then at one whole u put a knot that can be pulled through the hole that makes the pocket illegal and then u have a knot that cant be pulled threw the hole further up the string. thats the knot u play with in games. the smaller knot is what u pull the bottom string to before stick checks. then after they say ur illegal u pull it back. theres a thread somewhere on it
http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=33416&highlight=cheat+string
atleast im pretty sure thats what hes talkin bout
LaxMaxVince
05-10-2006, 06:47 PM
The only think I can think of is maybe those attackmen are using softer mesh. Theyre cradling, and the centrifugal force (nice terminology) forces the ball in the pocket.
Anyone remember when they caught Bill Mcglone in the Georgetown-Maryland Quarterfinal last year? Georgetown almost won the game becuase of that. I would bet that when the games start getting more important the refs start acting a little less relaxed about it.
Thats differant they're not gonna let someone play with a stick that is clearly illegal and cannot be fixed ae. a pinched head that doesnt let the ball out
D Bay
05-10-2006, 07:33 PM
The only think I can think of is maybe those attackmen are using softer mesh. Theyre cradling, and the centrifugal force (nice terminology) forces the ball in the pocket.
MOst of us know this, but still, some of those are pretty ridiculous. Surely a couple of those have got to be illegal
B1ackout
05-10-2006, 09:03 PM
i dont like it as a defender i know how much harder it makes to knock the ball out sometimes hitting harder jsut doesnt work. i have seen guys get completely decked and the ball somehow stays in aka illegal pockets. if i was a d1 defender it would piss me off a great deal.
carolinafreak
05-10-2006, 09:13 PM
that isn't a bag, thats like a bucket
gigo567
05-11-2006, 01:29 AM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/10
^^^Illegal, no cradling.
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1625/10
i live 4 lax
05-11-2006, 08:30 AM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/10
^^^Illegal, no cradling.
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1625/10
that last link looks like it might be just barely legal. but the top one your deff. right, i have a deep 6d pocket but its not illegal, i think people who have to use an illegal pocket to be good should quit the game.
gigo567
05-11-2006, 09:38 AM
that last link looks like it might be just barely legal. but the top one your deff. right, i have a deep 6d pocket but its not illegal, i think people who have to use an illegal pocket to be good should quit the game.
I really agree, my Pocket is 3/4 of a inch legal.
D Bay
05-11-2006, 06:18 PM
looking through pics of the umass-georgetown game, there were some pockets that were two balls deep with a clear side view and no cradling! what's up with this?
dragonlax
05-11-2006, 08:09 PM
looking through pics of the umass-georgetown game, there were some pockets that were two balls deep with a clear side view and no cradling! what's up with this?
if you look at the UMASS players sticks they all have cheat strings
GILax18
05-11-2006, 08:21 PM
that isn't a bag, thats like a bucket
YEAH! My word caught on.
moondog
05-11-2006, 08:25 PM
It seems like most pictures I see have people with illegal sticks. Very common with longpoles, too.
laxmiddie8
05-11-2006, 08:28 PM
how big do the pockets have to be?
the whole ball cant be seen below the bottom of the head
plaidpenguin
05-12-2006, 01:56 PM
When you say drawstring, you mean they use those things that go on glove laces, right?
no, I mean a bottom string that you can pull to make your deep pocket legal that cannot be pounded in unless you apply the right pressure.
laxgod1790
05-12-2006, 06:16 PM
Yeah wow I never realized how illegal these guys sticks are. Its amazing. Yesterday I got my stick checked and i was nervous and because i was pretty sure it was illegal. The ref came back and told me i was fine. I got a ball checked it and it was illegal. They were pretty chill about it.
berger1227
05-18-2006, 09:04 PM
what is the minimum stick legnth?
Torque42
05-18-2006, 09:06 PM
42 inches for a s shorty 54 for a longpole
aright im from the U-Mass area. im in the same school as Jim Connolly went to. the reason why the pockets on the U-Mass guys are huge is call poll strings. pol the string at the bottom right before the check. like everyone on my team does it. also you were saying hit harder to knock it out...well if that doesnt work then brake the persons stick LOL
B1ackout
05-18-2006, 09:27 PM
42 inches for a s shorty 54 for a longpole
im pretty sure thats wrg. cant it jsut be 40 inches? thats what i was told. d-pole sounds right tho
Mrmccoolsatool
05-18-2006, 09:30 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1448/37
i saw that last year at the Ncaa championship weekend, they put it up on the jumbo tron and everyone could see the ball about an inch under the sidewall. But ya you usually dont call another team on it.
I Am Legend
05-18-2006, 09:31 PM
this one looks pretty deep http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/10
gigo567
05-18-2006, 09:45 PM
this one looks pretty deep http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/10
Um... I Am Legend... I already posted that in this thread.
ya look at this pocket, its so illegal (10 from sarcasm meter)
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/23
OULax6
05-18-2006, 10:24 PM
^whats really sad is that that pocket is reletively shallow for a goalie.
handbag3
05-19-2006, 06:53 AM
In the UK you are not allowed to touch the head of the stick once you have been called for a stick check. If you do its an automatic penalty, 3 minutes I think.
Probably introduced to stop people pulling on the draw strings to reduce the depth of the bag.
In the UK you are not allowed to touch the head of the stick once you have been called for a stick check. If you do its an automatic penalty, 3 minutes I think.
Probably introduced to stop people pulling on the draw strings to reduce the depth of the bag.
i think thats the same here...not sure though
^whats really sad is that that pocket is reletively shallow for a goalie.
i know it was the first goalie i came across
MeTHLax18
05-19-2006, 09:31 AM
its also cause they are cradling...
it does stretch the pocket out but when they check trhe pocket it comes back to being legal.
thats how my pocket is.
gigo567
05-19-2006, 09:35 AM
its also cause they are cradling...
it does stretch the pocket out but when they check trhe pocket it comes back to being legal.
thats how my pocket is.
We know that but some of the pockets are illegal withput cradling.
LaxNitUP123
05-19-2006, 02:15 PM
those r insane pics....all illegal
ref needs to check that
fossil8412
05-19-2006, 09:03 PM
I think I found the ultimate of illegality: http://www.lax.com/bimages/1644/15
faceitoff
05-19-2006, 11:37 PM
I think I found the ultimate of illegality: http://www.lax.com/bimages/1644/15
The Duke one was bigger.
GILax18
05-19-2006, 11:57 PM
The Duke one was bigger.
Kekekeke. Am I the only one that finds that funny?
slinkyspine
05-20-2006, 12:16 AM
Kekekeke. Am I the only one that finds that funny?
You were, until you pointed out the dirtyness. Shame!
et1705
05-20-2006, 09:10 AM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/24
and this guys too
thats the same guy from the first post....
laxdude802
05-20-2006, 10:23 AM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/43
wow...just wow
BeaverFondu
05-20-2006, 03:52 PM
You can pretty much see the entire pocket, from a sidewall high view, and something looks like a pull string.
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/22
LaxNitUP123
05-20-2006, 03:53 PM
hey that pic was from today cause i watched that game
I Am Legend
05-20-2006, 04:13 PM
this is may not be illegal when its not in motion but check it out...clearly illegal here
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/111
Orange
05-20-2006, 04:20 PM
You can pretty much see the entire pocket, from a sidewall high view, and something looks like a pull string.
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/22
That's by far the most illegal I've seen out of any of those others posted. Damn that's deep.
gigo567
05-20-2006, 04:23 PM
That's by far the most illegal I've seen out of any of those others posted. Damn that's deep.
Orange, I just noticed that there is a cheat string on it.
Orange
05-20-2006, 04:37 PM
Orange, I just noticed that there is a cheat string on it.
I know. It's still illegal though.
hatterslax5
05-20-2006, 04:43 PM
here is another one from umass clearly illegal http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/23
auburnfan2015
05-20-2006, 05:07 PM
This is sooo illegal
http://www.lax.com/cimages/bigs/16/1645-24.jpg
http://www.lax.com/cimages/bigs/16/1645-23.jpg
http://www.lax.com/cimages/bigs/16/1645-38.jpg
BeaverFondu
05-20-2006, 05:14 PM
Auburn, I know it's exciting when you figure it out. But read the thread before you pot. The first and second ones are obviously products of centrifigul force, but the middle one isn't. Alas, it's been posted.
Ghslongpole14
05-20-2006, 05:17 PM
Jesus Jones. There are different levels of bags. That is a SACK!
dragonlax
05-20-2006, 05:18 PM
but there all the same guy
goalie1215
05-20-2006, 05:28 PM
i think we have all established that umass is full of cheaters lets move on...
gigo567
05-20-2006, 05:30 PM
really, most of them use cheat strings. My younger brother uses a cheat string.
He used a zip-tie to make is leather pocket legal.
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4854/p1010357small0cm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
You can kind of see the zip-tie, it is tied to the back where all the leather ends are.
Orange
05-20-2006, 05:33 PM
You can kind of see the zip-tie, it is tied to the back where all the leather ends are.
No you really can't see that at all...
gigo567
05-20-2006, 05:34 PM
No you really can't see that at all...
I will zoom in on it... just wait a sec.
Edit: http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6234/xvvfd9ib.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
the pocket looks legal but the ball is in the shallow part of the pocket.
auburnfan2015
05-20-2006, 05:50 PM
Auburn, I know it's exciting when you figure it out. But read the thread before you pot. The first and second ones are obviously products of centrifigul force, but the middle one isn't. Alas, it's been posted.
I understand the centrifugal force thing but those are unbelieveably illegal even with that factored in. If you check the picture he posted and the one I did, they aren't the same picture. Click on his link and press next to find the picture I posted.
but there all the same guy
I was posting a few pics of him because his is clearly the most illegal of them all.
laxgod1790
05-20-2006, 06:51 PM
im pretty sure thats wrg. cant it jsut be 40 inches? thats what i was told. d-pole sounds right tho
Its 40-43 for a shorty. Im not sure about a pole....
BeaverFondu
05-20-2006, 08:04 PM
If you check the picture he posted and the one I did, they aren't the same picture.
Haha, I didn't see that Legend posted one. I was refering to the one that I had posted. Oh well, it's no big deal and I know what you mean.
Theres alot of stuff that goes by in the college game. Alot of the kids have undone chip straps and sometimes don't wear their mouthgaurds. We'd get called for that in an instance.
lax_crazy027
05-20-2006, 08:59 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread but the Inside Lacrosse feature on Sean Morris (the one with John Walker on the cover) you can see a bag on his pocket. And yes I know there is no ball in there, but its that big that you can tell its illegal.
DeftGoalie28
05-20-2006, 09:01 PM
In the UK you are not allowed to touch the head of the stick once you have been called for a stick check. If you do its an automatic penalty, 3 minutes I think.
Probably introduced to stop people pulling on the draw strings to reduce the depth of the bag.
Your suppose to pull while you're on your way to the bench before they ask u for your stick. that way they dont see you playing with your strings. I don't use one though considering im a goalie
Marty Dawg
05-20-2006, 09:36 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/23 : ok we all get it UMASS is a bunch of cheaters. they use pull strings. I dont think they would have made it this far if they didnt use illegal pockets. UMass style is a lot of dodging and going one on one. There butterfly nets really help them out there.
GILax18
05-20-2006, 10:00 PM
Bottom line is:
College players aren't better than any of us. They just have wicked buckets ^_^
B1ackout
05-20-2006, 10:20 PM
In the UK you are not allowed to touch the head of the stick once you have been called for a stick check. If you do its an automatic penalty, 3 minutes I think.
Probably introduced to stop people pulling on the draw strings to reduce the depth of the bag.
its the same here anyone who uses a draw string does it like this. after they score a goal they will pull it incase the ref or coach asked to have it checked. right before the first and third quarters are over they will pull it incase they get checked. if a rlly nasty check is laid out and the ball somehow stays in even after them rolling on the ground for 10 seconds,having their stick kicked out of their hands, and then picking it up and the ball never came out i think they would pull the string. if they pull it after a ref has asked for it then its a 3 min nr penalty here also. thats a lacrosse rule across the world im retty sure.
killedbyinterne
05-21-2006, 12:32 AM
Check out this d-pole's bag.
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/36
B1ackout
05-21-2006, 12:49 AM
UMass is flat out dirty i rlly hate teams like that. very unsportsman like, and it makes their coach look bad. i mean he obviously has no problem with cheating as long as they win. thats not very honorable.
GILax18
05-21-2006, 12:52 AM
Check out this d-pole's bag.
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/36
Check out his badonkadonk.
Edit:
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/95
That Pole doesn't even have a ball.
zanderaruba
05-21-2006, 10:29 AM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/22
that is not cradling also. that is crazy
laxpro
05-21-2006, 09:16 PM
This is sooo illegal
http://www.lax.com/cimages/bigs/16/1645-24.jpg
http://www.lax.com/cimages/bigs/16/1645-23.jpg
http://www.lax.com/cimages/bigs/16/1645-38.jpg
I totally just saw that at lax.com and was going to use it but you beat me to it :hot:
SIh0tCaILILa
05-21-2006, 10:37 PM
is it just me or would it seem as if these tremendously deep pockets would have an insane amount of whip
Texlax33
05-22-2006, 02:29 AM
No Wonder UMass keeps winning!
big bag actually strung right could have very little whip. as far as U-Mass winning. yes there are very good, but the pockets are not the reason they win. the reason they win is they play hard till the sound of the final horn or wistle. against Hofstra they were down 5 most of the game and clawed they way back. it is they drive that wins their games not the pockets
kram941
05-22-2006, 12:19 PM
http://www.lax.com/cimages/bigs/16/1645-38.jpg
Off topic but
Is it just me or does his right knee cap look very weird?
Arlingtonlax
05-22-2006, 04:56 PM
Check this out
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/44
its crazy deep
dragonlax
05-22-2006, 04:57 PM
thats not illegal its just wrong
trentstaaa24
05-22-2006, 05:02 PM
it could have gotten called after the pic
mmlaxplaya17
05-22-2006, 05:05 PM
I think I found the ultimate of illegality: http://www.lax.com/bimages/1644/15
Three things wrong here^^^^^^^
1: shopping bad for pocket
2: No mouth guard in
3: Hes and amputee :nut:
BeaverFondu
05-22-2006, 06:01 PM
it could have gotten called after the pic
But didn't get called, it's a pullstring. Before the refs check it they pull the hockey laces thru. It's pretty common I hear.
c0letraiN
05-22-2006, 06:07 PM
I dont understand what this pullstring is. Can someone explain to me what it does, what it looks like, where it is located, and what type of string you use? What is it?
Arlingtonlax
05-22-2006, 06:32 PM
SEARCH IT, it is everywhere and its a bottom string that at one point makes the pocket illegal but when it is pulled it keeps the pocket a legal depth for testing and it holds it there
gigo567
05-22-2006, 06:34 PM
SEARCH IT, it is everywhere and its a bottom string that at one point makes the pocket illegal but when it is pulled it keeps the pocket a legal depth for testing and it holds it there
He doesn't need to search, this is the original thread. :dummy:
I Am Legend
05-22-2006, 07:13 PM
You should change the title of this thread to somethign like " Post Your Illegal Pocket Pictures" or something of that nature....keep this baby going strong.
t8hkey
05-24-2006, 01:59 AM
Three things wrong here^^^^^^^
1: shopping bad for pocket
2: No mouth guard in
3: Hes and amputee :nut:
he is not an amputee, if you look at the very next picture in the sequece you see a photo of the same number 2 with a fully functional right leg. The thing you might think is a bandage of some sort is just a thigh wrap.
Texlax33
05-24-2006, 02:07 AM
big bag actually strung right could have very little whip. as far as U-Mass winning. yes there are very good, but the pockets are not the reason they win. the reason they win is they play hard till the sound of the final horn or wistle. against Hofstra they were down 5 most of the game and clawed they way back. it is they drive that wins their games not the pockets
Its called sarcasm, learn it.
Texlax33 dude look up i was respounding to Marty Dawg not to you. so dont get your panties in bunch.
NEMESIS_keeper
05-24-2006, 08:10 AM
:bull: it ain't cheating if you don't get caught lol
WHEELAX2
05-24-2006, 08:15 AM
Your suppose to pull while you're on your way to the bench before they ask u for your stick. that way they dont see you playing with your strings. I don't use one though considering im a goalie
actually, you pull it for every time out, end of quarter, half time, and almost every stoppage of play
what a coach supposed to do, if he calls a stick check they pull it and he loses a time out plus u cant stick check all of UMASS?!
D Bay
05-24-2006, 03:17 PM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/23 : ok we all get it UMASS is a bunch of cheaters. they use pull strings. I dont think they would have made it this far if they didnt use illegal pockets. UMass style is a lot of dodging and going one on one. There butterfly nets really help them out there.
All I have to say is WOW. That's a good 1.5 balls deep right there, with no cradling and almost a perfect angle that you would check the stick at... One question- how does he rig the pull string with a U-style hockey lace? I don't see how he can pull a knot of hockey lace through the holes, and I don't think pulling it without something to secure it would make hocky lace stay put through a stick check
LaxMaxVince
05-24-2006, 03:21 PM
Maybe he uses really soft mesh and the ball is sagging?
Probably not, it looks illegal to me.
Now I agree with you that the camera angles can be deceiving, but look at this pic.
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1448/37
Now tell me that this is legal. No cradling action, no centrifugal force pushing it down making it larger, so that is out.
Second, from the camera view we are looking at the left side wall is closest to us, and henceforth the right sidewall farthest away. Now you can see the right sidewall above the left, so that means the stick is tilted slightly down, toward the camera side. At this perspective, it should make the pocket look smaller. Try it out if you like. Now if you can see space between the ball and closer sidewall, then when level, it will be even larger, clearly showing it is illegal, and not just by a bit.
Here you go. Ball made darker to make it easier to see.
The red is the close sidewall.
Green far sidewall.
Are you sure he isn't at the bottom of a two handed power cradle? Cause I'm thinking he's cradling and about to dodge that shorty.
a_lax
05-27-2006, 11:59 PM
catapultion mesh is kind of a cheat mesh because it strech out and bounce back
my cousin has one and in one of his picture his stick was way illegal but when he got his stick check, it was legal
thebrettness
05-28-2006, 08:52 PM
My soft mesh stick is kinda like that, but only when I pound it in hard during, my shifts off. If a ref checked it it would be perfectly legal. But I can shoot fine with it, but I'm going to get a different pocket in that anyways.
cgv1016
06-03-2006, 02:20 PM
this is the biggest though....http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/22
Arlingtonlax
06-03-2006, 06:12 PM
OMG!!!!!! THAT SAME PICTURE HAS COME UP LIKE 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times already in this thread!
et1705
06-03-2006, 10:31 PM
cradeling so its stretching but i think its illegal anyway no way to tell for sure....
raaaay29
06-03-2006, 10:38 PM
there's not really any way that craddling would stretch the mesh that much, even if it were soft mesh. college players get away with that kind of stuff because at that high of a level, having an illegal head matters way less.
gbwlaxer006
06-03-2006, 10:45 PM
its also really easy to cover up a deep pocket by using the coil stringing method on side walls so the ref cant even see if the ball sits below the wall, and most refs wont put that much effort into checking it in depth so that will usually work. idn bout D.1 though its al ittle more intense then the MYLA junior AA that i play in haha
Mad-Max
06-09-2006, 06:49 PM
this is fairly deep I suppose, but not as deep as the earlier posted.
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1654/100
wolfie8914
06-12-2006, 07:31 PM
At my camp right now, a UMASS player is a counselor and I got to see his stick up close and it is most definitely illegal. These guys dont really do a good job of hiding how big their pockets are.
Rablax2
06-12-2006, 07:37 PM
they just tighten their pocket with drawstrings at evey stoppage of play.
AHSlax29
06-13-2006, 02:59 PM
This year, my team lost 3 games because of stick checks...all of which were sidewall, so 3 minute penalties. I think the total came out to 12 minutes of stick penalties in 3 games?
Of course, 6 of those minutes came from one of our defensemen in back to back games. (Idiot didnt change his head) and then a ref called a benchwarmer (still on the bench) with the exact same stick as the first guy...
If your good, you dont need to have a pocket that you could cradle a softball with. And if your gunna mess around with pinched heads, remember 3 minutes in the box isnt gunna help anything.
Farny
06-13-2006, 04:08 PM
Man, I used to like Jacovina (#1). He's REALLY fast, quick, and plays both way, but that pocket of his is just sickening. It's ridiculous.
thebrettness
06-13-2006, 04:34 PM
The refs should call stuff like that. It wins games.
In my fianls this year, we calleda stick check on their face-off man/best d-pole and he got his stick taken away, at that time we were down by 5 and won the game.
But also cudos to them for being able to cover it up.
claxbucky
06-26-2006, 04:08 PM
Some of those pics are pretty evident of bags, others it's kinda hard to tell. But when you play @ a higher level where the passes are moving at a descent speed and everything, pockets stretch and get deformed. And for you guys who have the little "draw string" thinger, if a ref catches you touching your stick, and suspects that you're trying to fix your pocket, it's an automatic penalty. I've seen that happen. just keep it legal and get a handle on your stick.
dragonlax
06-26-2006, 04:31 PM
i forgot to say this before but at the final four my friend printed out the pic of sean morris when he is just stand there, to get it signed and he ask him what its like to cheat into the finals
kermlax5
06-27-2006, 02:00 AM
i knwo more dI DII and DIII [players who use illegal sticks than those who use legal one. For me the only reason my pockets illegal (not as deep anymore but still illegal)...it actually gives me really no more ball control...it just shoots better for me that way..when i make it legal it starts to shoot way to high (and i dont tighten any of my shooting strings except the top one. I string my sticks so they dont need tight shooters)
FaceOffMan4
06-27-2006, 05:01 AM
in Western Australia, that is not illegal anymore. as long as the ball comes out whn put vertically, then it is legal no matter how deep it is
POwenMeany
06-27-2006, 07:35 AM
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1627/19
The pocket is clearly illegal.
And if you look at alot of those pics on lax.com you can clearly see that some of the pockets these guys use are just enormous.
Is there like an unwritten rule in high-end D1 lacrosse that you don't ask for stick checks on the other team??
that's my boy fred. he always has a bag. he says basically the whole team has the same thing in their sticks... major easter baskets.
rmolax888
06-27-2006, 02:11 PM
it always drives me crazy when highschool refs jam the balll into the bottom of the throat and call it illegal. I have a high pocket with a long bottom string so the always call me on it.
dram183
06-27-2006, 02:20 PM
why dont you move the bottom string down so its tied to a lower ring of mesh?
gbwlaxer006
06-27-2006, 02:36 PM
LAY OFF UMASS. cmon guys why post only pictures of UMASS's deep pockets. im sure other colleges do to.
kermlax5
06-27-2006, 04:46 PM
that's my boy fred. he always has a bag. he says basically the whole team has the same thing in their sticks... major easter baskets.
yea thats what i was sayin basically. people here were sayin the majority probably dont have illegal pockets but i know for a fact alota DI DII DIII players with illegal pockets and their not the only ones
Midlax0223
06-27-2006, 08:33 PM
LAY OFF UMASS. cmon guys why post only pictures of UMASS's deep pockets. im sure other colleges do to.
im sure there are. but if they all didnt have such a huge bag on their sticks we wouldnt have so many wonderful pics to post. dont blame us because they have illegal sticks.
fallingupstairs
06-27-2006, 09:33 PM
the only way to realy tell is if u actualy go and get there sticks adn check em
olentangylax22
06-21-2007, 03:05 PM
i think its justt the cradling
centrifical force is pushing the ball out and stretching the mesh
i see this all the time in photos
olentangylax22
06-21-2007, 03:07 PM
here is another one from umass clearly illegal http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/23
jesus
u could fit a friggin pumpkin in tht thing
Sir-Lax-Alot
06-21-2007, 03:12 PM
Dude, that was a year ago.
bcannons14
06-21-2007, 03:30 PM
i think its justt the cradling
centrifical force is pushing the ball out and stretching the mesh
i see this all the time in photos
why would you bring back a year old thread to make a useless post?
bigdale9
06-21-2007, 03:37 PM
check out this guy HE'S ON D. tell me this is not illeagal!!!!
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1645/36
Crygney
06-21-2007, 08:38 PM
dude no refs ever check a defensemens pocket i use illegal pockets a s a pole but not to much
toey2516
06-21-2007, 10:17 PM
well if illegal pockets are so popular does that beg the question of how impressive Umass' run was last year? Was it legit or were they carried by a few players who had an edge on other teams they played against?