Bush and Genocide

[FPDefense]

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7003584500

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has implicated George W. Bush of engaging in genocide and said the U.S. president should be imprisoned by an international criminal court.

The leftist leader made the remarks during a joint news conference with London Mayor Ken Livingstone. According to BBC, a reporter likened some comments of his to Bush's phrase, first delivered shortly after the September 11 terrorist attacks, "You are either with us or against us in the fight against terror."

Chavez was then upset about being "compared to the biggest genocide person alive, in the history of humanity, the president of the United States -- killer, genocidal, immoral -- who should be taken to prison by an international court. I don't know to what you are referring when you compare me to President Bush."


I just think some people in this world take things a little to far... please discuss.

[Longpole5435]

Give me proof of genocide........there is none because it never happened.
The US has sat idly while genocide had occurred in other countries, but we do not ourselves commit it.

[blckout20]

I think it's terrible for any country to be saying any such thing confronting the American government as commiting genocide. Our country helps more countries and provides more aid than any other. In all honesty, there wouldn't be any international law without the United States. Actual genocide is taking place throughout Africa and Venezuela is going to accuse us of it. If they are so moral and righteous than maybe instead of pointing fingers at our country they will provide aid to countires in need the way that our country has though the past. Some people need to really judge themselves before they go around judging other people.

[marflax33]

Hahahahahaha, Yeah ok. What group is he trying to kill off? OHH the Terrorists. Yeah they defienently deserve to live. (10) Good call Hugo.

[Longpole5435]

Hahahahahaha, Yeah ok. What group is he trying to kill off? OHH the Terrorists. Yeah they defienently deserve to live. (10) Good call Hugo.
Yay for the sarcasm meter.
Isn't he they guy Pat Robertson said whould be assassinated

[BTlaxripper]

Hugo Chavez is one of the biggest political enemies to the US.

I can't remember what gas station chain is owned by Venuzuela, but I opt to boycott it.

He's an idiot, and has his citizens on a leash, and sways them to believe whatever he believes.

Communism at its worst.

[marflax33]

Communism at its worst.

Ohhh i dont think so. Ever read/heard about the Gulag Camps??? that was communism at their worst. Slave labor for the economy. It makes me sad to just think about it.

[Longpole5435]

Hugo Chavez is one of the biggest political enemies to the US.

I can't remember what gas station chain is owned by Venuzuela, but I opt to boycott it.

He's an idiot, and has his citizens on a leash, and sways them to believe whatever he believes.

Communism at its worst.

Not Communism, at least not as Karl Marx defines it. His government is a tolitarian state under a guise of Communism to make him more people friendly. True Communism has never been tried.

[ColtsLax]

this coming from the guy that relies on us to buy his oil, idiot. He oppresses his people, and has them living worse then cattle, and he is accusing us of genocide?

[stinisonfire]

this coming from the guy that relies on us to buy his oil, idiot. He oppresses his people, and has them living worse then cattle, and he is accusing us of genocide?

I don't know man. I wouldn't mind being fed steroids and grazing all day.

[GarysGod]

Hugo Chavez is one of the biggest political enemies to the US.

I can't remember what gas station chain is owned by Venuzuela, but I opt to boycott it.

He's an idiot, and has his citizens on a leash, and sways them to believe whatever he believes.

Communism at its worst.

nice way to use "opt", much applause to you.

and yea with out some video evidence or something at least implicating bush, then who cares, hes a commi, we dont listen to them.

[aussielax]

Hugo Chavez is one of the biggest political enemies to the US.

I can't remember what gas station chain is owned by Venuzuela, but I opt to boycott it.

He's an idiot, and has his citizens on a leash, and sways them to believe whatever he believes.

Communism at its worst.

"and has his citizens on a leash" - So that is why he has a 75% aprroval rating eh ? Or could it be because he has crusaded agaisnt poverty and in-equlaity in a very poor nation and the only people who don't approve of him are the rich upperclass who see him as a threat to their wealth ?

Chavez has been targeted and deamonised by the US because he is willing to stand up against the US and multi-national multi-billion dollar companies to stop the pilaging of Venezula's natrual reasources. The US have accused him of vote-riggining, human rights abuses and corruption without any basis or legitimate evidence to backup these claims. Hell their are CIA fingerprints all over the 2002 coup in which the people of Venezula in which the Venezulan people backed Chavez and returned him to the presidency afte he was breifley overthrown.

Now i dont agree with everything that Chavez does, I belive his close relationship with Iran and Cuba aswell as his support for the FARC rebels in columbia are not good things at all and are detremental to him being taken seriousley by the international comminity for all the good things he has done within Venezula.

[ramslac05]

in my school paper some girl wrote an article comparing bush to hitler

umm ok wtf is that

were not out looking to kill people

[James]

Was this not the same guy that said the US was going to mount an invasion for his countrys oil. There is something wrong with that guy. He should be checked into a mental institution

[FPDefense]

I heard today that he's selling Iran 16 F-16s that we sold him. The good part is only 3 of them have brakes...

[GrymesGoalie]

He's an idiot. We went into a country whose leader had been performing genocide for years. That's like Kanye's allegation that Bush is racist because so many black people died after the hurricane. What Kanye neglected to realize was that over 60% of New Orleans's population is black. The same is true here: if we wage war against Iraq, chances are we'll be killing Iraqis... big surprise there, eh?

[HdGLaxWarrior]

He's an idiot. We went into a country whose leader had been performing genocide for years. That's like Kanye's allegation that Bush is racist because so many black people died after the hurricane. What Kanye neglected to realize was that over 60% of New Orleans's population is black. The same is true here: if we wage war against Iraq, chances are we'll be killing Iraqis... big surprise there, eh?

Ding Ding Ding. Good job. This guy is an idiot who is trying to turn the world even more against the US and Bush.

[ron_burgundy]

whatever man, lets just nuke venezuela.

[enjoi]

He's an idiot. We went into a country whose leader had been performing genocide for years. That's like Kanye's allegation that Bush is racist because so many black people died after the hurricane. What Kanye neglected to realize was that over 60% of New Orleans's population is black. The same is true here: if we wage war against Iraq, chances are we'll be killing Iraqis... big surprise there, eh?
Cuba lost 1 person.

We definetely lost more than 1 person.

[Dan]

Wait, what are you implying? That us loosing more than one person is the President's fault? Look, I'm not a big Bush fan these days, but I know it wasn't his fault that a hurricane hit, or that the New Orleans and Louisiana leaders were too incompetent and indecisive to freaking save their own people's lives. I really don't see how this could be the President's fault, this whole Katrina thing. That's ludicrous, as is Kanye.

[aussielax]

Was this not the same guy that said the US was going to mount an invasion for his countrys oil. There is something wrong with that guy. He should be checked into a mental institution

Oh and Bush isn't a nutjob ? Didn't he hear God telling him to invade Iraq ?

[Krypt0M4g!c]

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7003584500



I just think some people in this world take things a little to far... please discuss.

No, Hitler and Sadam Hussein were genocidal morons

[StreetStunt06]

genocide is killing 3000 people or more over a very short period of time, I believe we are in the mid to high 2000 range with deaths on our side, so lets not take the word of a idiot who just wants attention.

[aussielax]

genocide is killing 3000 people or more over a very short period of time, I believe we are in the mid to high 2000 range with deaths on our side, so lets not take the word of a idiot who just wants attention.

So the 100,000 + civillian deaths don't count ?

[TheKOB]

So the 100,000 + civillian deaths don't count ?

If we killed 'em then yes.

Get this through your skull....the US didn't kill those people, and aren't responsible for their death. "Oh, but if we had never invaded those people would've still been alive, etc...".

BTW, where are those factoids about how many civllians have dide? How many of those were suicide bombers? How many of those suicide bombers were american?

[enjoi]

If we killed 'em then yes.

Get this through your skull....the US didn't kill those people, and aren't responsible for their death. "Oh, but if we had never invaded those people would've still been alive, etc...".

BTW, where are those factoids about how many civllians have dide? How many of those were suicide bombers? How many of those suicide bombers were american?
I have talked with a Marine who saw another Marine mow down an entire crowd of women and children to kill ONE shooter. Eyewitness stuff man.

Now I understand he didn't do it on purpose, the stress of being a marine... is something I will never experience in my life. But what you just said is absolutely false and honestly, I would love to agree with you but if you are implying that we caused no civilian deaths (intentional or otherwise) that is just a lie.


edit - but its still not genocide I agree. To say the Iraq war = genocide is uneducated.

Genocide is the systematic and deliberate destruction of a people/culture of a certain ethnicity which generally isn't happening here.

[TheKOB]

edit - but its still not genocide I agree. To say the Iraq war = genocide is uneducated.

Genocide is the systematic and deliberate destruction of a people/culture of a certain ethnicity which generally isn't happening here.

That's exctly what I'm getting at. Also, to say we caused directly even MOST of the civilian deaths is diluded. I'd estimate the grand majority were done by the other side (suicide bombers, foreign terrorists,etc, who the locals are apparently getting fed up with).

As for that story, I have no idea whether to believe it or not. Unfortunately (if true) that was probably the shooter's intent. I spent some time with a Iraqi War 1 vet and he said that the Iraqi soldiers would have women stand up and then shoot at soldiers between their legs. It sucks when the other side doesn't fight fair, but we were founded by guys that didn't fight fair...

[aussielax]

If we killed 'em then yes.

Get this through your skull....the US didn't kill those people, and aren't responsible for their death. "Oh, but if we had never invaded those people would've still been alive, etc...".

BTW, where are those factoids about how many civllians have dide? How many of those were suicide bombers? How many of those suicide bombers were american?

How are you not responsable ? You can't just say oh well "we wern't trying to kill them so it isn't our fault". Now i'm not saying what the US is doing is murder but it could very well be classed as manslaughter, so you do have to take some responsablitiy as when you decided to invade Iraq you must have known that their would be high civiliian casualties and thus you accepted some of the reasponsability of their deaths.

And as far as the stats go 100,000 is a number i have heard repeated by several media sources for a long time, I'm not sure how precise it is but it should do for now. And if you can find me some exact stats i will use them next time.

[TheKOB]

How are you not responsable ? You can't just say oh well "we wern't trying to kill them so it isn't our fault". Now i'm not saying what the US is doing is murder but it could very well be classed as manslaughter, so you do have to take some responsablitiy as when you decided to invade Iraq you must have known that their would be high civiliian casualties and thus you accepted some of the reasponsability of their deaths.


One question, whats the breakdown on who killed who in that 100k? If it was suicide bombers, you've got a messed up morality.

You also need to look up the term genocide.

Saddam was doing genocide, btw... so are the sunni suicide bombers that think it's ok to blow up shiites, and vice versa. How many civilians did we kill?

[WHEELAX2]

Give me proof of genocide........there is none because it never happened.
The US has sat idly while genocide had occurred in other countries, but we do not ourselves commit it.


do doing nothing about genocide is ok?

[WHEELAX2]

I have talked with a Marine who saw another Marine mow down an entire crowd of women and children to kill ONE shooter. Eyewitness stuff man.

Now I understand he didn't do it on purpose, the stress of being a marine... is something I will never experience in my life. But what you just said is absolutely false and honestly, I would love to agree with you but if you are implying that we caused no civilian deaths (intentional or otherwise) that is just a lie.


edit - but its still not genocide I agree. To say the Iraq war = genocide is uneducated.

Genocide is the systematic and deliberate destruction of a people/culture of a certain ethnicity which generally isn't happening here.

I have had similar conversations with my friends in the military.. in fact, one of my friends was on trial for mowing down a huge group of civilians because they couldn't tell who was shooting at them

[aussielax]

One question, whats the breakdown on who killed who in that 100k? If it was suicide bombers, you've got a messed up morality.

You also need to look up the term genocide.

Saddam was doing genocide, btw... so are the sunni suicide bombers that think it's ok to blow up shiites, and vice versa. How many civilians did we kill?

As i told you before i don't know the exact breakdown of the stats.

And that seems to be you only justification for attempting to hand off the blame for these peoples deaths away from the US. All these things the sucide bombers/death squads/issurgents are all direct consequences of the US's decision to invade Iraq, So you can simply not hand of reasposablity for this gross neglegence.

[dt315]

Vote Republican. Always.

no sarcasm btw