Massapequa Wins over Bad Call

[Ghslongpole14]

Look at this. They won states after the ref made this call. Video included

http://www.newsday.com/sports/lacrosse/ny-skappeal0603,0,3764376.story?coll=ny-lacrosse-headlines/

[laxattack662]

WOW! Is the ref blind!? I cant imagine losing states over that! And even to know you won because of that "goal". ouchhh

[Expressgoalie01]

Stupid call. It was the Nassau Class A semi-final FYI

[stegmakk]

wow...that is weak...
definately outside...
I will say that it took a weird bounce off the net and shot out in front like it was a goal...but the video shows the shot was on the outside...i dont know how the refs called that a goal...
on the otherside i stick by the ruling that HS does not have video replay and that the call on the field stands...

[Laxer1241]

I think that was a bad call but owell. I think someone on here plays for Massapequa

[laxpro]

The championship shouldn't have been decided on that. awful call. but oh well.

[Snake~eyes]

Watch the film again, you can see the ball behind the goalies leg at the end of the film. Looks like its rolling out of the net to me, from this film it looks like a goal. At first look I thought it was outside but as I said, looks like a goal to me.

[LaxGoalie28]

Not the states, thats the counties.

[devillax57]

I have watched this video over and over and i still think it was outside. Did the oceanside players and coaches look for a possible hole? I really dont know of another way that ball rolled out like that.

[fossil8412]

The more I watch it, the more it looks like a goal. I just replayed the shot about 15 times, and it appears as if the ball bounced up into the net, broke a hole in the net, and then rolled out of the goal. However, this doesn't seem possible. At first, the shot blatantly appears like a miss. However, if you closely examine, the ball actually rolls out of the goal. You can't really see what happens, though, between the point at which the ball hits the net and when it rolls out of the goal because the goalie is blocking it. The video almost looks "enhanced." Initially, from a ref's perspective, that would be a really tough call. I can't believe a championship game was decided on that...

[faceitoff]

I know kids from Oceanside. I bet they want to murder babies.

[rc22]

i think the telling reaction from the video is the attackman behind the goal, who kinda just stares at the back of the net untill the referee raises his hands, also, the 2 players infront of the goal turn to clear before the ref blows his wistle, which to me makes me think they didn't score, even the players on the winning team don't look excited untill the refs blow the whistle, that seems fishy to me

[cbhslacrossemid]

What makes this even more weird is the ref blows his whistle immediatly after the ball is shot. The ref doesnt run any closer to make the call.

[schratxs20]

im form massapequa, and he does run closer to the net, my coach told us td that we shouldnt listen to anyone bc ppl are gunna be telling us that were not county champs and all that shtuff, but really all i need to worry about now is revenge on west islip on tuesday at hofstra bc we have our minds set and were ready for this

[bhslax12]

i played kids in oceanside in hockey a while back, real dirty players...i'm going to watch it again and again and again though. thats the area code i rep though. 516 in the hizzouse.

edit: even if it did go in, it would bounce off the far side the net and roll towards the camera, not in the opposite direction. the explanation i'm thinking is, assuming the net has a little slack to it, is the shot hit the outside of the net, wrapped around the pipe and went back to its normal state, forcing the ball in the direction it went.

[stegmakk]

Watch the film again, you can see the ball behind the goalies leg at the end of the film. Looks like its rolling out of the net to me, from this film it looks like a goal. At first look I thought it was outside but as I said, looks like a goal to me.
you can't call a goal based on a roll/rebound off the net...
I agree the way the ball rolls it looks like it should have been rolling out of the net...
however from the shot and way the ball hits the net...it looks as if it impacted on the outside either way...i'll admit it is a tough call and to make and i could see it either way...
regardless...you have to go by what was called on the field especially since i would still call the video inconclusive

[laxkid009]

i believe it could have been a goal but by looking at which portion of the net moves i would say it is not a goal. you can see that the side of the goal that moves is the near side and wouldnt the far side of the net have moved if the ball had gone in? so i think it wasnt a goal and from my zoom on my computer i can tell the ball didnt come from inside the goal but maybe im wrong

[schratxs20]

theres a big article in newsday td on the controversy

[mmlax123]

to me it looks like you can't really tell whether or not its a goal from the replay--there's evidence for both arguments. i personally would say it's not a goal, only because of the winning team's delayed reaction--i remember when my old hs team won a regular season game in ot, we went nuts on the goal even before the ref had whistled it official. like someone said earlier, if it was a goal i would think the attack at x would have started celebrating instead of waiting there until the ref called it.

[Farny]

It obviously hits the outside of the net.

And some of you guys are saying it looks like it comes out of the goal at the end there. It doesn't. Look at the second slo-mo replay at the very last moment, it pops out from the outisde off of the bottom of the piping.

[goalieskcickay]

^^^Exactly. This is rediculous.... how is that a "Judgement Call"? It hit the outside of the net and never crossed the plane of the goal, period.

[Orange]

I really can't tell but it does look like the ball is coming out of the goal somehow. How else would it roll back the other way unless it wasn't bouncing off the inside of the net?

[Snake~eyes]

you can't call a goal based on a roll/rebound off the net...
I agree the way the ball rolls it looks like it should have been rolling out of the net...
however from the shot and way the ball hits the net...it looks as if it impacted on the outside either way...i'll admit it is a tough call and to make and i could see it either way...
regardless...you have to go by what was called on the field especially since i would still call the video inconclusive
Don't get me wrong, the video is very inconclusive.

I've watched it again. It looks like the ball hits the outside of the net, I tracked the ball. Where the goalie is standing and the way the shot goes it looks like there is no way it oculd have gone inside, but then towards the end you see the ball rolling away. How can it hit the outside and roll that way? Pretty tough.

There is no way you can overturn a call based on this video, I don't see this as black/white. Not sure what happened.

[Irishlax22]

That sucks. But refs make mistakes. Sometimes the call favors you and sometimes it dont.

[TRELAX]

the ref is in the best position on earth to see if it were a goal. our POV is not very good. if it hit the outside he'd definitely see it as he's adjacent with the outside of the cage.

[unholygoalie10]

i am 100% sure it was outside of the goal
the goalie was on the post if u look his body is hanging over it he dropped his stick 4 a low save so to go in u would have seen the ball pass his helmet witch has color to it so you would have noticed that
also the reason the ball bounced out like that is kinda like the same thing with a basketball u spin it really hard backwards throw it on the ground and it comes back to u it just hit the ground with a crazy spin

[kram941]

yeaaa gunnnna have to say no goal. I have it paused at 19 seconds and it clearly shows the ball on top of the post witch means it is closer to us witch means it is not inside of the post. Put the video on super slo motion and try to get it to the same exact point paused....you will see the ball on top of the post..

I cant get a picture of it for sum reason but give it a try and u will see the ball ontop of the post

[Ram-X-Man]

I think it was definitely a goal. The net bounces OUTWARDS which makes me think the ball hit it from the inside, and it bounces out of the net. AS for the delayed reaction, I scored a goal this yearfrom such a low angle that I was the only one that knew it was in the net for at least 5 seconds.

[stegmakk]

actually now after watching it for the hundredth time and putting it on my tv it was definately no goal and conclusive...if go frame by frame from 18-19 seconds...in the 19 second mark watch the near goal post...you will see the ball pass in FRONT of it...meaning it was on the outside the whole time...and about the "how" it popped out the way it did...either it bounced off the goalies foot or its physics...
the ball was travelling upward and to the right...plus where it hit on the back of the net it was bound to come out of the net moving down and forward...
i am now definately a believer that this team was robbed though...horrible call by the official a few feet away...

[goalieskcickay]

actually now after watching it for the hundredth time and putting it on my tv it was definately no goal and conclusive...if go frame by frame from 18-19 seconds...in the 19 second mark watch the near goal post...you will see the ball pass in FRONT of it...meaning it was on the outside the whole time...and about the "how" it popped out the way it did...either it bounced off the goalies foot or its physics...
the ball was travelling upward and to the right...plus where it hit on the back of the net it was bound to come out of the net moving down and forward...
i am now definately a believer that this team was robbed though...horrible call by the official a few feet away...

Thank you. It is obviously a goal. The ref was wrong. It happens. Life isn't fair. :banghead:

[laxobsessed]

does anyone know any other site with the same video or how i could get it off that site and save it cause my computer doesnt like that site for some reason it will stop right as the guy is coming right behind the crease

[schratxs20]

who cares we win game over....now tues then friday then sat and its over

[sailorslax88]

i was there for the call. its kinda my highschool.

[zzzXFactor13zzz]

I just watches it a couple times... i put it full screen and put play speed on slow.. when they zoom in and slow it down, it definetly hits the goalies left side and redirects the shot into the net thus how the ball rolls out like a normal goal... the ref made the right call

[HTlax09]

REPLAY IN HIGH SCHOOL PLAYOFF GAMES!!!!
There should most definatly be video replay in high school varsity playoff games.

[Farny]

I just watches it a couple times... i put it full screen and put play speed on slow.. when they zoom in and slow it down, it definetly hits the goalies left side and redirects the shot into the net thus how the ball rolls out like a normal goal... the ref made the right call

Wait, so it hits the Goalie's left side, which is nowhere near the face of the goal, and is redirected into the INSIDE of the net? And it rolls out LIKE a normal goal, because it IS a normal goal?

Your post was not totally understandable.

When you say "LIKE a normal goal" in this context, it kind of infers that you mean it wasn't actually a normal goal, then you say the ref made the RIGHT call, which is contradictory.

Did you mean for that inference?

[AHSlax21]

I watced it the first time i watched it looks like it bounces just right of the near post into the net...then rolls down it towards the front.

But then the more I watch it, it looks like it sneeks right between the goalies torso and post.

[HTlax09]

That sucks. But refs make mistakes. Sometimes the call favors you and sometimes it dont.

Yeah but thats a pretty huge mistake. I dont even go to Oceanside and Im mad at that call. How do you think the Oceanside seniors feel especially that goalie who was in position even if the ball didnt go outside he probably wouldve made the save. That is an absolutley horrible call. On Massapequas defense whos to say they wouldnt have scored later in the overtime or if
Oceanside wouldve put on in so nobody should be saying they arent champs. If Massapequa scored a goal in OT that was an obvious goal then one could safely say that was a good game but the win on that goal makes it not such a great game. Section VII should atleast view the video and make an exception in this case. If it were a regular season game aright bad call sucks but a CHAMPIONSHIP GAME c'mon that ref just cheated Oceanside out of playing another game in a great season. In my opinion that ref should be fired not that he made a bad call but just by the way he called it he blew his whistle almost immediatley after the shot how could he see through all the players right away that its a goal, and the net is one peice just because the far side of the net shook doesnt mean its in it means the net was hit hard in this case on the outside.

[Farny]

If the page wasn't timing out for me this whole time, I'd take a series of screen shots with an explanation to show you it wasn't a goal.

[WHEELAX2]

eh, they would have won anyway

[fossil8412]

eh, they would have won anyway

Yea but how could they even stand to win like that anyways?

Massapequa: "Yea dude we're the team that totally won states off a bad call! Go us!"

[WHEELAX2]

Yea but how could they even stand to win like that anyways?

Massapequa: "Yea dude we're the team that totally won states off a bad call! Go us!"


yeah.. that does suck.. I was just trying to be funny anyway.. it's unfortunate, but the call stands on the field.. it's a freak thing.. maybe they need to redesign the goal.. *maybe*

[SwRLaX10D]

Watch the film again, you can see the ball behind the goalies leg at the end of the film. Looks like its rolling out of the net to me, from this film it looks like a goal. At first look I thought it was outside but as I said, looks like a goal to me.
thats exactly what I thought. I saw it go behind the goalie, and I saw the net move. Goal stands

[WHEELAX2]

ok.. well, i just super slow mo watched the "goal".. it for sure wasn't a goal, but how can you really tell when it comes out at the angle it comes out.. where the ref is positioned, I can see where it would look like a goal.. then you factor in the massive crowd, the players celebrating, it's hard to not call it a goal..

we get the luxury of a view from the sky box with slow motion.. the ref is field level with players in between him and the goal.. I can see how the mistake could be made..

[Snake~eyes]

I have watched it again, this time in slow-mo. You can tell that the ball does roll away (how it rolls this way, who knows) outside the cage. When I slowed it down I could see the ball pass over the red goal post, so I know it indeed passed outside. Tough call. But... life goes on.

[stegmakk]

I have watched it again, this time in slow-mo. You can tell that the ball does roll away (how it rolls this way, who knows) outside the cage. When I slowed it down I could see the ball pass over the red goal post, so I know it indeed passed outside. Tough call. But... life goes on.
That is exactly what i was trying to say earlier...guess i was having problems earlier...
its a shame that the game was decided this way but at this point there is nothing that can be done

[Farny]

I mean, you can blame the ref, but you can't complain. I'm sure most of us have had a ref miss an obvious goal (*cough* Amazing feed on the crease results in top shelf goal *cough*) but it's not like he'll go back and give you the goal, he'll just say "I didn't see it." Refs have been 100% wrong at times (It took us about 25 seconds to get the ball in the box, and we ended up with a goal on that possession, and the ref wouldn't change the ruling) but they never change anything.

It's unfortunate, though.

[pshwarriorlax17]

another thing it couldnt have gone past his leg if u notice when the ball bounces the goalies left leg is on the bar if not a little outside of it, and it therefore would have had to go between his legs it obviously did not do that

[Oside Lax]

same here. No masapequa fans cheered because they did not think the ball went in, and as soon as the call was made the oside fans started chanting BS. 1 minute later the refs had a little meeting, and re-stated the goal. Most oceanside players on the field were livid, breaking their sticks, yelling at the refs... not a good day

[faceitoff]

Let's send a petition and letter of complaint.

[TitansLax08]

It was in the goal,

If i was a ref, id to clal it a goal

[justlaxin611]

as another player form oside, u can totally tell it wasnt a goal. to talk about that bounce outwards, if u watch as the ball drops from the outside of the net, it goes straight down and hits the back of the goalie's( who was turned towards the back of the net) shoe, pushing it out in front of the net

[faceitoff]

It was in the goal,

If i was a ref, id to clal it a goal
Do you have any fact to back that statement up, or is that all you want to say?

[laxkid009]

another reason i dont think it was a goal is because none of the players from the other team started celebrating untill it was called by the ref. the guy behind the goal seemed like he just thought it was a missed shot. he then raised his arms and jumped when the ref called it a goal. players usually start celebrating before the ref signals a goal

[TitansLax08]

Do you have any fact to back that statement up, or is that all you want to say?
Yes, it was in the goal like I said....

[TitansLax08]

i am pretty sure it goes right under his left elbow because i dont know how a bounce shot could break a net especially because the shot would be going OVER the goal instead of inside of it.

Its a goal either way, but it REALLY was a goal.

[Got Aloha]

bounces over goalie's shoulder , pulls up net and comes out the front, GOAL......Great Call

[laxfan25]

Well, it's defintiely a goal - because the ref said it was and they're not accepting the protest.
Now, when I watched it several times in slo-mo, it looks like the shot goes to the left of the goalie who is hugging the pipe, but at the end of the second slo-mo replay on the video, the ball clearly rolls out of the cage! I'm completely befuddled by all of that, and I can assure you the official probably had a fairly sleepless night. They are human though. Just a very difficult call at a very crucial time.

[atlax30]

Watch the film again, you can see the ball behind the goalies leg at the end of the film. Looks like its rolling out of the net to me, from this film it looks like a goal. At first look I thought it was outside but as I said, looks like a goal to me.
I saw that too, and I think that's what the ref's called it on.

[schratxs20]

well all you guys can say wow they won states on a bad call but youll have to wait and see....if we win this game tm then everyone will be shut up and it shows pequa deserved to be there....well i dont want to tlk much more but wish us luck for tm against west islip

[stegmakk]

Well, it's defintiely a goal - because the ref said it was and they're not accepting the protest.
Now, when I watched it several times in slo-mo, it looks like the shot goes to the left of the goalie who is hugging the pipe, but at the end of the second slo-mo replay on the video, the ball clearly rolls out of the cage! I'm completely befuddled by all of that, and I can assure you the official probably had a fairly sleepless night. They are human though. Just a very difficult call at a very crucial time.
I agree that its a goal because that is what the ref called and there is no protesting it...
but look at the tape again...
the CLOSEST pipe...watch the slow mo replay and go frame by frame...
if it was a goal the ball would roll out from inside and you would see it hidden by the orange of the pipe and then come rolling out...
but what we DO see is the ball block the view of the outside pipe (it covers the orange pipe with the white ball)...there is no doubt once you see this that you'll see it was not a goal...
but like you said...you gotta go by what the refs said...
and either way...WI looks to be able to take on and beat anyone this year (we'll know tonight)

[spenny]

can someone download it and email it to me. or is it streaming?

[Farny]

It's streaming, you can't download it, unfortunately.

And the video quality is poor, so I can't really show you doubters that it wasn't a goal, but you have to use your brain. There's no possible way it could go into the net. from where it was unless there was a hole.

[HTlax09]

bounces over goalie's shoulder , pulls up net and comes out the front, GOAL......Great Call

ahah r u joking not at all
it hits outside

[schratxs20]

id just like to let you all know that massapequa put up an amazing fight but lost in double ot to west islip 8-7 with only like 2-1 minutes left.....insane game.....just sucks i had the game of my life and we lose

[roperipper5]

yeaa this is true.. on the auropostale lax report they had the perfect view of the shot and it was clearly the bakc of the net NO goal .. i was suprised that they couldnt protest the call for a championship game.

[NewbyLaX]

It does look like it hits the outside but the way everyone reacts (winning team not getting excited, AND goalie turning behind the net to get it) I bet it made a hole or went through a hole in the back because of how it roles away. You cant get a shot on that angle that roles away the other way...it's against physics.

[Yard Sale 212]

Terrible call by the ref..the ball hit the outside of the net!