What's the call?

[LaxRef]

A1 is being guarded by B1, and B1 puts his stick under A1's arm. A1 clamps down on B1's stick, pinning it between his arm and his side. (1) The official notices what A1 is doing. (2) The official does not notice what A1 is doing and calls a hold on B1 (3) The official does not notice what A1 is doing, so B1 lets go of his stick, puts his hands in the air, and stops running; A1 runs off with B1's stick under his arm, shoots one-handed, and scores.

Rulings?

[MeTHLax18]

wait...(1) The official notices what A1 is doing.
(2) The official does not notice what A1 is doing
i might have read it wrong but he notices but doesn't notice?

[MidiLine1]

wait...(1) The official notices what A1 is doing.
(2) The official does not notice what A1 is doing
i might have read it wrong but he notices but doesn't notice?

No, no, no...............
These are all different situations and he is askingf for an answer for all 3 situations.

[MeTHLax18]

oh okay haha.

[laxfan25]

1) Immediate whistle (hold) - we're going the other way.
2) Call the hold on B1 - and put up with an earful from B1 about how his stick was being held. Possibly your partner saw something and can help you out. Also, try to move to get in better position to see that interaction.
3) No goal - since he must have run through your whistle for the hold, when you see him running away with the stick clamped.

[RottingMind13]

1) Immediate whistle (hold) - we're going the other way.
2) Call the hold on B1 - and put up with an earful from B1 about how his stick was being held. Possibly your partner saw something and can help you out. Also, try to move to get in better position to see that interaction.
3) No goal - since he must have run through your whistle for the hold, when you see him running away with the stick clamped.

*copies and pastes as own answer, while stealing credit*

[BlueJaysLaxFan]

3) No goal - since he must have run through your whistle for the hold, when you see him running away with the stick clamped.
And/or IP for not dropping the stick once it was released, similar to if the stick was kicked away.

[LaxRef]

1) Immediate whistle (hold) - we're going the other way.

Correct.


2) Call the hold on B1 - and put up with an earful from B1 about how his stick was being held. Possibly your partner saw something and can help you out. Also, try to move to get in better position to see that interaction.

Correct. This was a call made by the center official in a game I saw recently. Everyone in the stands could see that A1 was holding the stick, but B1 got a flag. I was hoping that the lead or trail would have seen the hold by A1 and come in and overrule the call, but they didn't.

3) No goal - since he must have run through your whistle for the hold, when you see him running away with the stick clamped.

And/or IP for not dropping the stick once it was released, similar to if the stick was kicked away.

As we talked about the play I referenced above (in (2)), it occurred to us that the defender should have just let go of his stick to make it obvious, although I've never seen that happen. My wife says they do that all the time in ice hockey. That would make it obvious that A1 was holding.

But then I wondered about whether just turning the ball over is the right thing. I'm not sure what the IP for "not dropping the stick" would be; offhand I can't think which IP section this would violate (and even if it were, you probably can't call it during a dead ball, which you'd already have when you called the hold). But I do recall an A.R. about a player losing his stick and securing his opponent's crosse and playing with it—which is legal in hockey buy a USC in lacrosse; this doesn't quite fit the situation.

So, I guess at some level I feel like running away with the guys stick deserves more punishment than just holding it in the first place, but I don't think the rules support this position.

[blindbill]

3) I think I'd hit A1 with a USC, though probably before he got his shot off, unless it happened before I got my toot off. Either way, no goal.

[laxfan25]

I'm sorry, but this play doesn't come close to a USC - it's not that big a deal. Change of possession is a very big deal, especially since A1 was in the scoring zone. The quick whistle is a good as an outstanding defensive check, and actually better, since you're going to get the ball in a settled situation with 5 yds - ready to set up a clear.
While at lower levels this isn't as important, after watching the D1 weekeknd - you realize how important each and every possession is - so the turnover on this play is a sufficiently harsh penalty given the infraction. At most add on a chuckle!

[Woodenstick]

*copies and pastes as own answer, while stealing credit*

RM, we may have to compile a list of your sickest posts - should be good reading for when the snow falls and field lax rules discussions flag.... :clap: