Forearm shivers and wrap checks

[LaxRef]

Someone PMed me the following questions, which I thought were worth sharing with everyone:

My friend and I were at the park today playing a little 1 on 1 lax...one person starts with the ball the other guy has to take it fom him, that sort of thing. I noticed that when he rolls off of me, or beats me on a roll doge tht I'll stick out my elbow and hit with my forearm on the way by. At one point he beat me with a split doge and swim move and as he moed past me I gave him a forearm to the ribs and he lost the ball, and neither of us knew if that was a completly legal move. so I thought Id ask if my forearm shivers were legal or not, cause if they're not I want to teach myself to stop asap.

You can push with the forearm if both hands are on the stick, the push is from the front or side, and if the opponent has the ball or is within 5 yards of a loose ball. If you're hitting him with the arm, almost like a punch, then I'd call unnecessary roughness.

My other question is that when I throw a wrap check I'll usually hit him with my forearm in the back as I throw it, not hard, just enough to give him a little jar and stop him from rolling away from the check. so I was wondering what should the hand that's off the stick be doing while I throw a wrap check.

You're hand that's off the stick better stay off of the opponent. If it doesn't, it's holding (although it doesn't always get called).

[laxfan25]

Regarding the forearm - a lot would depend on how hard a forearm shiver you gave him. A move I used to do on defense was to form a V between the stick and my forearm - take your lead hand on the stick and extend your elbow ahead of your grip point to make the V. As an attacker would move towards the stick side I would drive out and catch him in the V of the arm, preventing a quick spin move back. It worked very well for me - never got called for a hold, but this was all before I started reffing! I still think it's a good technique to control an attacker in close-in D.
On the wrap check, I'm watching the free hand as much as anything - if I see the palm on the side or back I will usually call the hold. If the arm is held back so it's just the forearm on the guy, I'd probably let it go. If you run into him with the forearm in the back and cause him to stumble or lose the ball I would likely be looking at a push call.

[zim]

My coach at camp taught me this little trick and it has a lot to do with this topic.

For a wrap check, if i'm wrapping him with my right hand, should i hold my left hand behind my back as to keep it out of the way of things?

[BeaverFondu]

I have another question that goes along these lines but rather with your leg. If someone is roll dodging you and they get nice and close and bring your knee up on the side that their rolling to slow them down but then put it down soon. Is that a hold or is it not a penatly at all? Thanks.