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Deadhead46KC
06-14-2006, 11:14 AM
Just wondering if any of you have read the article in the recent Rolling Stone about the election fraud that has supposedly happened this past election. If you haven't read it, you should because it is an interesting, well written article even though its really long. In my opinion it is outrageous that 1) this happened, and 2) nothing investigation has been held into the truth, by the media or any other sources, because they were too embarrased that the exit polls were wrong by such a large margin

zak
06-14-2006, 11:25 AM
Is there an online link? Im skeptical about Rolling Stone.

Deadhead46KC
06-14-2006, 11:49 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen i understand why you are skeptical, i am myself because rolling stone can be biased, but here is the link

BTlaxripper
06-14-2006, 12:12 PM
It's a bunch of Bush hating liberals trying to dream up reasons why they lost. . . other than face reality that America is shifting to a conservative nation.

Deadhead46KC
06-14-2006, 12:32 PM
i don't mean to flame, but that comment doesn't really add to any sort of discussion, and also, not all liberals hate bush, but most do, and quite a few conservatives are not all too happy with him. Is this a conspiracy theory? yes. It is also more believable and plausable however than certain theories such as Tupac is still alive or that Kennedy was assassinated by a magic bullet, or that germany was 'happy happy happy' between the years of 1938 and 1945. I do not know completely what to think about this article, but whether it is true or not, it is still food for thought.

BuckWyld
06-14-2006, 12:34 PM
I don't know if it is stupidity or intentional wrong doing, but the Diebold machines need to never be used for anything more important than an High School class president election. The lack of a paper trail mixed with a laundry list of technical problems and conflicts of intrest make Diebold machines unacceptable

BTlaxripper
06-14-2006, 12:38 PM
I'm sorry, but it isn't food for thought. It's just media bias propoganda disguised as a well thought out plausible theory. I've heard it all before: touch screen voting being hacked, multiple voting, etc.

Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House. BY ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.

Enough said.

FPDefense
06-14-2006, 12:41 PM
Polls are rigid in favor of both sides. Ive heard from several places that votes were casted for both parties by people who've been dead for over 6 monthes. Elections arent the most honest thing in the world, nothing new and its going to happen again. Just wait for November.

libertyvillelax
06-14-2006, 01:14 PM
No, being serious here, there is a conspiracy theory about every major event that has ever happened. 9/11? Yes. Assasination of Kennedy? Yes. Halocaust? Yes. Death of Hitler? Yes. Titanic? Yes. Death of Tupac? Yes. The emergence of ADHD? Yes. Moon landing? Yes. I could go on, but I dont think I need to...
conspiracy.
haha i like how you included the death of tupac ina list of events like the holocaust and 9/11

enjoi
06-14-2006, 03:17 PM
It's a bunch of Bush hating liberals trying to dream up reasons why they lost. . . other than face reality that America is shifting to a conservative nation.
Yes too bad when Hacker groups (like the actual groups, not script kiddies) got their hands on of the black boxes they were able to crack it in under a day, and thats some nerds in their parents basements.

America has always been "conservative" aka Prude and Protestant. It doesn't take a PHd in History to figure that one out.

Frndlefire
06-14-2006, 03:32 PM
election fraud is hardly new guys and electronic voting machines make it too easy. I'm not saying that Bush stole the election, but I am strongly against the use of electronic voting machines. Just look at how much trouble computers around the world have with hackers and such. Look how much big businesses spend on computer security and still get hacked. Computers by nature have loopholes and problems. The secure might have very few, but they are still there is you know what you're doing. I tihnk elections are too important to leave up to a faulty and manipulatable system with no way of recounting the votes. I don't think this is a democrat versus republican thing (it's not like they could change anything about the election anyway) but as a democracy it should be the votes that matter, not who can manipulate the voting system their way. To dismiss this as liberal whining is a pathetic disregard for the importance of elections and the tenets of democracy

and Bt...get off the "liberals are the whining ban of america" stint...it's getting old and it's not like you see me sitting here hating on conservatives for being conservative. Take your positions, but not all criticism of the status quo is liberal propaganda