Amount of scholarships

[GoRocks]

Why are the amount of scholarships capped at such a low number? I think it's around 12.8 for a D1 team.... why so low when most schools carry upwards of 30 kids? Football gets 50 something and even basketball, which requires way fewer players, get more than lacrosse does. This seems odd, especially when considering that there is probably a drastic difference in grades and grad rates. With the amount of players and programs increasing every year, is there a possibility that the number of scholarships will increase to a reasonable number, like 20 or 25?

[boxlaxman]

Its actually 12.6 but that is for a FULLY-FUNDED program of which most are not.

The reason is simple, football and basketball are revenue sports. They make money. Lacrosse and all other sports are NON-revenue sports meaning they lose money. Now honestly, this fact has been debated over the last decade or so with people saying that many football programs actually lose money, but....

Remember that a college cannot just simply pick a number. The scholarship, by NCAA rules MUST be a transfer of funds from the athletic dept to the registrar. The AD actually has to PAY the tuition. The coaches get a POOL of money (number of scholarships X tuition) and they divide it up how they see fit. The trick is that a coach will ask you to sign a NLI (National Letter of Intent) and you are bound by that for 1 year if you are given ANY money, even $100. Also, remember that the IVY's do not give athletic scholarsips.

Football 1A - MUST give 85 full rides only
Football 1AA - CAN give up to 63
Basketball - 13
Lacrosse and all others, max of 12.6

[GoRocks]

So Syracuse MUST give 85 scholarships to a so-so football program, and can only give 12.6 to a perrenial championship contender, which is equates to a free happy meal when spread amongst their 50 players? Seems odd to me. Is there a lot of under the table money or something? I'm from Canada, so I apologize for my ignorance, but how do players get full-rides then? And since you get no athletic money from Ivy's, are you still bound by NLI if your get need grants or academic money?

[kjglacrosse19]

irst of all syracuse's football team is TERRIBLE....they only won one game this past season


and when you say lax teams can only have up to 12.6 scholarships does that mean that they can noly give out 12.6 scholarships for each recrutiign class or they can only have 12.6 scholarship players on a roster at oen time

[spenny]

irst of all syracuse's football team is TERRIBLE....they only won one game this past season


and when you say lax teams can only have up to 12.6 scholarships does that mean that they can noly give out 12.6 scholarships for each recrutiign class or they can only have 12.6 scholarship players on a roster at oen time

12.6 total for all 4 classes. thats why full rides in lax are so rare.

[ron_burgundy]

So Syracuse MUST give 85 scholarships to a so-so football program, and can only give 12.6 to a perrenial championship contender, which is equates to a free happy meal when spread amongst their 50 players? Seems odd to me. Is there a lot of under the table money or something? I'm from Canada, so I apologize for my ignorance, but how do players get full-rides then? And since you get no athletic money from Ivy's, are you still bound by NLI if your get need grants or academic money?

if you hear of a full ride it is probably a combination of athletic and academic money. the acadmic scholarship or generous financial aid package is how most schools get around ncaa scholarship rules.

[DukeLax2]

even though ivys dont give atheltic money they still are very generous with money thru grants and academics.

[sammyduelist]

whe you talk about these numbers, are they percents?

[chsattack22]

whe you talk about these numbers, are they percents?
no, the college or university gives each athletic program a certain number of scholarships to give to students, giving them a "free ride".

[chsattack22]

the question for why do other athletic programs get more scholarships than lacrosse. MONEY. Lacrosse is getting there, but at most D1 schools, the more "mainstream sports", hockey, football, basketball. If you compare a regular season ticket to a D1 football game vs. the same school's lacrosse game, the football ticket costs drastically more. The school doesn't want to give people a free college education to a program that isn't going to be making that much in sales. They give more football, basketball, and hockey scholarships because the school will just make that money back with the profit of the ticket sales. If the school gave the same amount of lacrosse scholarships as they do in say football, the school isn't making as much money. It might be confusing, but do you understand what I am trying to say?

[GoRocks]

Is college lacrosse attendance that bad? I D1-AA, I read that 46 schools average less than 6000 fans. Is lacrosse worse than that? In D1 hockey, which is a very expensive sport to run and requires half the players, 32 schools averaged less than 3000, and 41 less than 5000. With almost 50 000 at the championships, I thought big lacrosse schools like UVA, Duke, Syracuse, JHU or Maryland, would be well over 10 000 a game. Am I completely off my rocker? I figured college lacrosse would be pretty equal to hockey, no? But I guess if kids are getting half lacrosse and half academic, it's a wash in the end anyways. Probably better that way, atleast they should fullfill the scholar part of scholarship.

[dram183]

Syracuse averaged 4,149 fans over its seven-game home slate, while Johns Hopkins drew 3,619 (8 gms), Hofstra brought in 2,697 over 11 games and Maryland rounded out the top five by attracting 2,286 fans (7 gms).

4321 for navy.

this is all off the navy site.

[chsattack22]

but look at the ticket prices, and Duke and Cuse's basketball teams are huge. Maryland's football team isnt bad either. Cuse's football team is terrible but they still fill the dome consistently. Well maybe it is equal to hockey. Im from Vermont so i know about UVM's hockey attendance, there is not a lot of money made off of ticket sales, its fifty fifty raffle and what they call a 'victory club" (pay 500 bucks a person, special priviledges). But because of UVM's small ticket sales, they only give I think four or six hockey scholarships. Virginia has a huge football program by the way.

[GoRocks]

So is there a huge amount of academic money then? Being from Canada, I think generally most that go south for hockey or lacrosse, gets either full or atleast cheaper than staying up here. There are a few who pay a little more for Ivy's, but generally it's cheaper than going to school up here, even for D3. Even guys and girls going to prep schools are getting there for very little to nothing. Obviously box is big up here, I guess I thought field was as big, and college lacrosse even bigger, in the US. That's good to know though, thanks for your help.

[DukeLax2]

most d1 lax scholarships will be around 8 g's a year. and then acadmeic money, its not too bad.

[GoRocks]

In Wisconsin, they have a thing where out of state athletes can pay in state tuition at state schools, but obviously they don't have any college lacrosse teams. Are there any states with a similar thing that have state lacrosse teams, like New York or Mass?

[PekinSt]

So Syracuse MUST give 85 scholarships to a so-so football program, and can only give 12.6 to a perrenial championship contender, which is equates to a free happy meal when spread amongst their 50 players? Seems odd to me. Is there a lot of under the table money or something? I'm from Canada, so I apologize for my ignorance, but how do players get full-rides then? And since you get no athletic money from Ivy's, are you still bound by NLI if your get need grants or academic money?

Does anybody know the answer to the question about the NLI and IVY League schools and no they're not that generous. If you can feed your kids you get no money. There are NO MERIT SCHOLARSHIPS whatsoever. ALL monies and admissions are totally NEED BLIND AND their Financial Aid is totally NEED BASED. I just don't know the answer about the NLI. Does this mean an IVY recruit isn't bound to like the scholarship schools and can recruits change their minds and enter another school right away?

[Riot]

Hopkins only gives scholarships to male lacrosse.

[Laxdude]

even though ivys dont give atheltic money they still are very generous with money thru grants and academics.
what do you mean? the only money ivy schools give is from financial aid.

[PBlax]

Is college lacrosse attendance that bad? I D1-AA, I read that 46 schools average less than 6000 fans. Is lacrosse worse than that? In D1 hockey, which is a very expensive sport to run and requires half the players, 32 schools averaged less than 3000, and 41 less than 5000. With almost 50 000 at the championships, I thought big lacrosse schools like UVA, Duke, Syracuse, JHU or Maryland, would be well over 10 000 a game. Am I completely off my rocker? I figured college lacrosse would be pretty equal to hockey, no? But I guess if kids are getting half lacrosse and half academic, it's a wash in the end anyways. Probably better that way, atleast they should fullfill the scholar part of scholarship.

50,000 for the championship. and prolly close to a million watching it on ESPN


do you know how many millions of people where at/watching the Rose Bowl?

[skywalk07pinkie]

Is college lacrosse attendance that bad? I D1-AA, I read that 46 schools average less than 6000 fans. Is lacrosse worse than that? In D1 hockey, which is a very expensive sport to run and requires half the players, 32 schools averaged less than 3000, and 41 less than 5000. With almost 50 000 at the championships, I thought big lacrosse schools like UVA, Duke, Syracuse, JHU or Maryland, would be well over 10 000 a game. Am I completely off my rocker? I figured college lacrosse would be pretty equal to hockey, no? But I guess if kids are getting half lacrosse and half academic, it's a wash in the end anyways. Probably better that way, atleast they should fullfill the scholar part of scholarship.

I am not saying it is a bad thing that lacrosse players should have to fulfill the "scholar" part of scholar-athlete, but why isn't this standard applied to everyone? I know the obvious answer, but it doesn't seem right. A state champion high school quarterback can get a full ride almost anywhere with a low GPA and SAT scores, if he is good enough. Then there is the state champion lacrosse player that scored 4 goals in the championship. They could have a 4.0 unweighted GPA, a decent SAT score, and have done well on the SAT Subject Tests, yet they can only manage to get a 20 percent to 35 percent athletic scholarship. The rest is probably paid by need-based financial aide which can take away from the athletic scholarship money. This is just an example, but it is true. This isn't fair to lacrosse players. I think that the main-stream athletes should be held to the same standard as lacrosse players. There should not be a reward for being a dumb jock.

[skywalk07pinkie]

Hopkins only gives scholarships to male lacrosse.

Is that true? I've heard of girls who have gone there on scholarship. I don't know if that was financial aide or not. If that is true...Hopkins is crazy!! They could easily have an amazing women's team.

[ShockerAutc]

Funnily enough, most of the big time football teams do not make money. It is the bad teams in the good conferencesa that make the money. For example, baylor makes more money per season then oklahoma. This is because Oklahoma goes and plays people and goes to the bowl games. They have a huge amount of expensives to pay, while baylor, recieves the same amount of money from bowl games Oklahoma does but A) do not go to bowl games and b) play a close to home schedule.

Each school can fund their mens and women's sports however they want. My hometown college, University of Nevada, has a big football program, but no men's cross-country or track team, even though Nevada can compete on a national scale in those sports from home-grown talent. But they do have a women's team for each sport. Boise State on the otherhand has track and xc for men and women and a better football team lmao. All how the AD spends the dough. Club lacrosee by the way.

[LL2]

The Hop is a fully funded WLAX school & gives the 12.6 scholarships allotted.