"Free" equipment check

[LaxRef]

The wording of the equipment check rule is kind of poor and it confuses many people, but here I'm not asking about what the rule says, but what you think it should say.

[DanHS]

I would be interested in how many times a uniform violation has been called. In Northern VA - I don't that anyone would hear the end of fallout for a compression short violation

[RockStar]

The first one that doesnt find a violation.....
I'm in favour of this as well, perhaps even suggesting that you take the next step and scrap the free check altogether.

Figure if you're going to make me stop the clock to measure something, it damned well better be worth measuring.

[LaxRef]

I'm in favour of this as well, perhaps even suggesting that you take the next step and scrap the free check altogether.

Figure if you're going to make me stop the clock to measure something, it damned well better be worth measuring.


Nah, there are so few of them already and so many illegal sticks, and I don't think we need to discourage them any further.

[shrekjr]

If the coach is smart enough to keep picking out the illegal equipment, I don't think you should penalize him until he is incorrect, thus giving him one freebie.

[Lax Star]

I'm kinda lost with your wording, it's not your fault, I'm just young.

[MElaxRef]

I agree with shrekjr - the coach is entitled to identify as much illegal equipment as he can.

IMHO, though, the equipment check should be limited to mandatory safety equipment and the crosse. Forget about the illegal underwear call. Has anybody ever made that call?

[Longpole5435]

I agree with shrekjr - the coach is entitled to identify as much illegal equipment as he can.

IMHO, though, the equipment check should be limited to mandatory safety equipment and the crosse. Forget about the illegal underwear call. Has anybody ever made that call?
Please tell me no...

[thebrettness]

Can someone explain illegal underwear lol. I've enver heard of it and don't really know what it means.

[LaxRef]

I agree with shrekjr - the coach is entitled to identify as much illegal equipment as he can.

IMHO, though, the equipment check should be limited to mandatory safety equipment and the crosse. Forget about the illegal underwear call. Has anybody ever made that call?

I have never made the call. I have, however, pointed out the non-matching compression shorts to the coach before an MDIA game and told him, "I'm not going to make an issue out of it, but if the other coach makes an issue out of it I have to call it." Usually they opt to fix it.

[ColtsLax]

i view it as the challenge in the NFL. if the coach challeneges the call successfully, then he retains his timeouts, if he fails he loses one. same thing.

[LaxRef]

i view it as the challenge in the NFL. if the coach challeneges the call successfully, then he retains his timeouts, if he fails he loses one. same thing.

It's not really the same, because in the NFL you have a limit on how many challenges you can make and there's no such thing as a free challenge (where you don't have to put a timeout on the line).

[dt315]

refs and coaches just need to make sure the player doesnt switch sticks with anyone

[ColtsLax]

It's not really the same, because in the NFL you have a limit on how many challenges you can make and there's no such thing as a free challenge (where you don't have to put a timeout on the line).
true, but as far as penalizing goes, its sort of like the NFL. cut me some slack here LR, you always kill my ideas... :thumbsdow

[RockStar]

Nah, there are so few of them already and so many illegal sticks, and I don't think we need to discourage them any further.
I hear you, but I still really, really hate the thought of stopping a game just to measure equipment that's legal. (My true preference is that a time serving delay of game penalty is on the line for the first bad check request.) A charged timeout for stopping the clock and wasting everyone's time is a pittance, so I'm not sure if any free checks are needed.

Then again, you're right on the front lines and see all the cheating. Maybe it is needed.

Now, if you must offer a free check, I suggest making it successively "riskier" to the coach that's wasting time:

-Free check is used up at the first check that doesn't turn up anything illegal,
-next bad check is charged timeout,
-all subsequent bad checks are delay of game penalties.

[LaxRef]

I hear you, but I still really, really hate the thought of stopping a game just to measure equipment that's legal. (My true preference is that a time serving delay of game penalty is on the line for the first bad check request.) A charged timeout for stopping the clock and wasting everyone's time is a pittance, so I'm not sure if any free checks are needed.

At least in the U.S., you can't stop the game for an equipment check; they have to be requested during a dead ball.

Then again, you're right on the front lines and see all the cheating. Maybe it is needed.

Now, if you must offer a free check, I suggest making it successively "riskier" to the coach that's wasting time:

-Free check is used up at the first check that doesn't turn up anything illegal,
-next bad check is charged timeout,
-all subsequent bad checks are delay of game penalties.

This is eminently reasonable. However, I've never even seen a coach make two checks in one game that didn't turn up anything, so I don't think it's worth making the change (which would only substitute a delay-of-game penalty instead of a lost timeout for the third check which doesn't uncover anything; remember I've never even seen that twice).

Oh, and we also have the option to go to a 1:00 releasable USC penalty for "repeatedly committing the same technical foul" if he keeps going.

[Woodenstick]

Can someone explain illegal underwear lol. I've enver heard of it and don't really know what it means.

Visible underjerseys and compression shorts must be the same color for every player, and the underjerseys must be white, gray, or an official team color.

[DanHS]

IMO - and I know this is not going to happen but we should remove the parts of rules we are not going to enforce. If we are not going to require matching sweats early in the season or matching compression shorts then those requirements should not be a part of the Rules.

[LaxRef]

IMO - and I know this is not going to happen but we should remove the parts of rules we are not going to enforce. If we are not going to require matching sweats early in the season or matching compression shorts then those requirements should not be a part of the Rules.

I agree completely. However, by that logic, about 10 years ago the cross-check hold would have been removed from the book!

Really, I don't get the compression shorts thing, although it does only apply to visible compression shorts so all they need to do is pull them up high enough or their shorts low enough that they aren't visible. The visible underjersey thing looks far sloppier to me; those should be tucked in and not visible (since by NFHS rules the jersey has to come down to at least the waistband of the shorts).

The most ridiculous thing, of course, is the compression shorts have to match, but the shorts themselves do not!

[LaxRef]

Visible underjerseys and compression shorts must be the same color for every player, and the underjerseys must be white, gray, or an official team color.

That's the NCAA rule. For NFHS, that's the rule for underjerseys, but compression shorts just need to be the same color for everyone in NFHS. Similarly, for NCAA, sweats must be white, gray, or a dominant team color, while NFHS just says they have to be the same solid color for everyone on the team wearing them.

[RockStar]

At least in the U.S., you can't stop the game for an equipment check; they have to be requested during a dead ball.......


Same thing. The request has to be made during a dead ball. I'm just noting that check request stops the clock for longer and breaks up the flow.

.......Oh, and we also have the option to go to a 1:00 releasable USC penalty for "repeatedly committing the same technical foul" if he keeps going.
You're well covered then. Agreed that there's no point adding a rule that has to be learned yet will never be enforced.

[ColtsLax]

The most ridiculous thing, of course, is the compression shorts have to match, but the shorts themselves do not!
so you telling me that my entire tema has to wear either blue or white(school colors) but we can wear green, red, black, and purple game shorts?


I love bureocrcy

[LaxRef]

so you telling me that my entire tema has to wear either blue or white(school colors) but we can wear green, red, black, and purple game shorts?


I love bureocrcy

The jerseys have to match, the compression shorts have to match, but the game shorts do not under NFHS rules! (I have submitted a change that would fix this for next year, we'll see if they accept it or not.)

[Snake~eyes]

I chose the second option because I think stick cchecks should be encouarged.

[Sour]

There's a new ruling in the english (and i think international rules as they tend to go hand in hand) about players not being able to touch the stick in anyway after a stick check had been called minimum 1min USC pentaly ....this lead to a debate about what would happen if the palyer just dropped his crosse and stringing was affected, the same penalty would apply...but its a judgement call

what all players are recommended to do is to hold crosse at arms length in middle of shaft!

[thebrettness]

That's the NCAA rule. For NFHS, that's the rule for underjerseys, but compression shorts just need to be the same color for everyone in NFHS. Similarly, for NCAA, sweats must be white, gray, or a dominant team color, while NFHS just says they have to be the same solid color for everyone on the team wearing them.


But do they actually check, because what if it's not visible? And personally I think that's the stupidest rule I've ever heard.

[LaxRef]

But do they actually check, because what if it's not visible?

If they are not visible, they can be any color you want. You can have little pink hearts on them for all we care. For the compression shorts that are visible, everyone on the team needs to wear the same color. For NCAA, that color needs to be white, gray, or a dominant team color.

If they do not match, it is technically a violation. As I posted elsewhere, my usual approach is to point it out to the player's coach before the game and tell him I'm not going to make an issue out of it but that I'll be forced to make a call if the other coach makes an issue out of it.

[QUOTE=thebrettnessAnd personally I think that's the stupidest rule I've ever heard.[/QUOTE]

Is it stupid that the players on the same team have to have matching helmets? Jerseys?

They had to make rules governing proper uniforms. They drew the line in a different place than you would have. That doesn't necessarily make it the dumbest rule ever.