ever had a bad call on you?

[starslax3]

lets hear them, i will start

i got a 1 minute non releaseable unsportsmanlike for diving on a push from behind on a ground ball. [EDITED]

[the next 'one']

i have had so many. two really stick out though, and they were both in the same game.

the first was when i was starting outside of the box with the ball, and started running in cradling one handed with my free hand bent out to block my body. i ran into my guy since he was somewhat small, and basically tried to run through him. my arm stayed in the same position the whole time. i got a call for warding with the free hand.

the second was on a clear from the other team's goal, and the goalie cleared it to my guy at about midfield. he jumped up to catch it and when he landed he turned around i drilled him. the kid flew up in the air and the kid landed on his shoulder blades. i got a call for a take out check.

[LaxDr]

I have three that really made me mad

this one wasn't on me but it was a terrible call, we were in provincials for field lacrosse and a kid on our team scored the opening goal about a minute into the game, the other team right away calls a stick check, turns out he doesn't have a ball stop and its not goal and a 3 minute penalty and he can't use his stick for the rest of the game

this one was in box, we came down and the shot clock ran out and i still had the ball so the ref motions his fingers toward me for me to roll the ball to him, so i roll it to him and he gives me a 2 minute for delay of game

this one was last year in field also wich btw was my first year of field, theres a groundball by the crease in their end i go down to pick it up and as i do the golie starts scraping his stick on my leg until the skin pells of i yell f*** and get a 1 minute

[LaxRef]

i have had so many. two really stick out though, and they were both in the same game.

the first was when i was starting outside of the box with the ball, and started running in cradling one handed with my free hand bent out to block my body. i ran into my guy since he was somewhat small, and basically tried to run through him. my arm stayed in the same position the whole time. i got a call for warding with the free hand.

the second was on a clear from the other team's goal, and the goalie cleared it to my guy at about midfield. he jumped up to catch it and when he landed he turned around i drilled him. the kid flew up in the air and the kid landed on his shoulder blades. i got a call for a take out check.

They both sound like good calls to me.

[Marty Dawg]

i got called for a 2 minute unreleaseable penalty because we were playing at a private school and we are a public club team.

I was setting a pick for one of my fellow attack man while his defender ran straight through me and layed me out. while i was falling my hands shot up in the air out of instinct and reactions. when my hands shot up my hands touched the d mans face mask not even hard. the ref kicked me out of the game and gave our team a 2 minute non releaseable penalty for unnecessary rougness for punching the kid in the face! :hot:

[NuKoN]

In a tournament not too long ago, I got ejected for a "blatant cross-check", still tryin to figure that one out. It wasn't a USC, he had the ball, it was from the side, which many refs rule as from the back.. but still.. coaches and parents weren't thrilled with the ruling by Mr. Official

[Hunter]

I just had one last night at a summer league game, I got called for an "illegal screen" for boxing my defender out while my teamate got the ground ball. We were both within 5yrds of the ball so I thought it was perfectly legal. It was a summer league game so it doesnt really matter.

[LaxRef]

I just had one last night at a summer league game, I got called for an "illegal screen" for boxing my defender out while my teamate got the ground ball. We were both within 5yrds of the ball so I thought it was perfectly legal. It was a summer league game so it doesnt really matter.

Keep in mind that summer league is a place where newer officials often gain experience. It's also possible the official thought you were more than 5 yards away or that you didn't release when the ball was picked up.

[JohnB-6]

I had a game this season where I think the ref just hated us. The goalie cleared the ball, but within 5 seconds of him throwing it I run into the goalie with the part of my stick between my hands. The ref threw a flag on it, and I tried to explain that the goalie turned away from my hit, so he gave me another penalty, three and a half minutes.

Between periods the ref finds one of our sticks and said it was illegal, three minutes for that. Then, my buddy on defense accidentally wrapped his stick around the attackmans neck, and gently put him on the ground, the ref gave him a slash. Then we get hit with another cross check after one of our guys hit the d-man after he cleared the ball.

Finally, one of the refs blew the whistle and then the other ref blew his to stop the play, and our guy only took like 4 steps after the whistle and laid the guy out. We had 5 guys in the box, I guess the refs just don’t like us.

[BlueJaysLaxFan]

Wow, sounds like you guys had a bad day that day. Who won? Sounds like the slash to the neck could've been called for more than 1 min.

[laxfan25]

I had a game this season where I think the ref just hated us. The goalie cleared the ball, but within 5 seconds of him throwing it I run into the goalie with the part of my stick between my hands. The ref threw a flag on it, and I tried to explain that the goalie turned away from my hit, so he gave me another penalty, three and a half minutes.

Between periods the ref finds one of our sticks and said it was illegal, three minutes for that. Then, my buddy on defense accidentally wrapped his stick around the attackmans neck, and gently put him on the ground, the ref gave him a slash. Then we get hit with another cross check after one of our guys hit the d-man after he cleared the ball.

Finally, one of the refs blew the whistle and then the other ref blew his to stop the play, and our guy only took like 4 steps after the whistle and laid the guy out. We had 5 guys in the box, I guess the refs just don’t like us.
Wow. Sounds like any of the refs I know would hate your team's play as well. 1) Cross-checking the goalie 5 seconds after a pass? Flag - and it doesn't matter whether he turned or not - it's a crosscheck. I'm sure your calm, objective explanation to the ref earned the USC as well.
2) Illegal stick? - 3 min NR.
3) Wrapping a stick around the neck and "gently" lowering to the ground? Please, you're lucky you only took a minute, could be 1 - 3 minutes with no problem.
4) Another after-pass crosscheck? You guys need some coaching on what is legal and illegal with bodychecks, and the timing of them.
5) 4 steps to hit the guy after a whistle? Depending on how hard it was, I might have ejected that player for flagrant misconduct. He had more than enough time to pull up from the hit. Even in live-ball play, it is the responsibility of the bodychecker to avoid the hit after a pass or shot. I'll give you two steps at most - anything else - you're sitting.
I can only assume you're actually joking with your post. Is your team really that much of a bunch of hacks?

[ColtsLax]

i got called for an UNR because a kid tried to hit me when i was carrying the ball, and i droped my shoulder and leveled the kid.

[LaxGoalie28]

There was a hole in the net which the ref was to stupid to fix at the beginning of the game, but anyway. An attackman whipped a shot just wide of the crossbar. I knew it was wide, but the ref claimed it went through the hole and called it a goal.

[roycegracie47]

It isn't the ref's job to fix the net, that's up to the hosting team to make sure the goals/nets are up to snuff. I've had teammates goals not counted because they went through the hole and the ref either didn't have the angle or just made a bad judgment call, those happen.

[DanHS]

Some of the complaints about the 'bad' calls above were legitimate complaints if they had been made by the other team. Many of the cross-checks and slashes would have been UR or USC in my mind.

[LaxRef]

It isn't the ref's job to fix the net, that's up to the hosting team to make sure the goals/nets are up to snuff. I've had teammates goals not counted because they went through the hole and the ref either didn't have the angle or just made a bad judgment call, those happen.

It is the officials' job to inspect the nets before the game to make sure there aren't any holes in them for just this reason. They should be checked ~20 min before game time and again right after the coin toss but before the lineup.

[LaxRef]

I had a game this season where I think the ref just hated us. The goalie cleared the ball, but within 5 seconds of him throwing it I run into the goalie with the part of my stick between my hands. The ref threw a flag on it, and I tried to explain that the goalie turned away from my hit, so he gave me another penalty, three and a half minutes.

Between periods the ref finds one of our sticks and said it was illegal, three minutes for that. Then, my buddy on defense accidentally wrapped his stick around the attackmans neck, and gently put him on the ground, the ref gave him a slash. Then we get hit with another cross check after one of our guys hit the d-man after he cleared the ball.

Finally, one of the refs blew the whistle and then the other ref blew his to stop the play, and our guy only took like 4 steps after the whistle and laid the guy out. We had 5 guys in the box, I guess the refs just don’t like us.

Cute. JB6 is referring to my post in the thread:

http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=50000

But these were situations from different games, and not from where JB6 lives.

[faceoff middie]

In a jamboree I was in a couple of weeks ago, a ref was calling every ground ball a loose ball push. Once, one of our attackmen just very lightly bumped the other team's middie to box him out for a loose ball. It was about three feet from the ball. He was called for a loose ball push.

Also, in many other jamboree/tournements, I have launched many people in the process of taking "man" on the ground balls. I am always within 5 yards, yet because I am big, I get called for pushes a ton.

[JohnB-6]

Wow. Sounds like any of the refs I know would hate your team's play as well. 1) Cross-checking the goalie 5 seconds after a pass? Flag - and it doesn't matter whether he turned or not - it's a crosscheck. I'm sure your calm, objective explanation to the ref earned the USC as well.
2) Illegal stick? - 3 min NR.
3) Wrapping a stick around the neck and "gently" lowering to the ground? Please, you're lucky you only took a minute, could be 1 - 3 minutes with no problem.
4) Another after-pass crosscheck? You guys need some coaching on what is legal and illegal with bodychecks, and the timing of them.
5) 4 steps to hit the guy after a whistle? Depending on how hard it was, I might have ejected that player for flagrant misconduct. He had more than enough time to pull up from the hit. Even in live-ball play, it is the responsibility of the bodychecker to avoid the hit after a pass or shot. I'll give you two steps at most - anything else - you're sitting.
I can only assume you're actually joking with your post. Is your team really that much of a bunch of hacks?

Yeah, it was a joke. I took it from a post that LaxRef put up about strange plays he had this year. Some of the things that people think are bad calls sound like really appropriate calls to me. Taking a dive to try and draw a push call? If the ref can tell you are trying to draw a call, sounds USC to me.

I never really questioned the refs when I played, and I got plently of penalties. I just assumed they knew more than me, and my parents/coaches really didnt encourage any of the 'question authority' stuff.

Thats not to say there are plenty of bad calls out there. I was at a field and I had the next game, but the refs that I was watching waived off a personal fouls after a goal, called a hold with possession and gave the kid a minute, allowed horns on the endline, etc. Finally, in OT, they gave a quick whistle after a shot before the goalie had his 5 seconds to get back into the crease. The kid ran past the GK on his way to the goal and just threw it into an open net. Fans were yelling at me on the sideline, and I was just a spectator like them.

[Woodenstick]

i got called for a 2 minute unreleaseable penalty because we were playing at a private school and we are a public club team.

I was setting a pick for one of my fellow attack man while his defender ran straight through me and layed me out. while i was falling my hands shot up in the air out of instinct and reactions. when my hands shot up my hands touched the d mans face mask not even hard. the ref kicked me out of the game and gave our team a 2 minute non releaseable penalty for unnecessary rougness for punching the kid in the face! :hot:

You are right in objecting to this call, if the ref thought you were punching the other player, he should have given you three minutes, not 2 minutes.

[Woodenstick]

In a jamboree I was in a couple of weeks ago, a ref was calling every ground ball a loose ball push. Once, one of our attackmen just very lightly bumped the other team's middie to box him out for a loose ball. It was about three feet from the ball. He was called for a loose ball push.

Also, in many other jamboree/tournements, I have launched many people in the process of taking "man" on the ground balls. I am always within 5 yards, yet because I am big, I get called for pushes a ton.

You should know that referees call loose ball pushes quickly when the ball is on the ground in a scrum, to get the ball off the ground and prevent injuries/escalating checks.

If you are getting called for a push, that usually means the contact is from the back. Contact more than 5 yards away is usually called interference. If you are "launching" people, you also could be called for UR.

Thus far, most of the complaints are at worst disagreements in judgment, and are not ridiculous calls on their face. But compliments for at least describing the situations fairly.

[jimd619]

Coach here, so siding with referees is a new experience. Just kidding, some of my best friends....

What strikes me is that in almost every case described above the calls were right. Yeah, launching people is OK in football, but an unnecessary part of a lacrosse game. And I am one who thinks we need more hitting in the game. Rather that than watch a defender wail on an attackman's arm.

Got a non-call on a middle school game my son was in a few years ago. He was running down the field and defender reached around and slashed him in the neck. No call. I asked why, said incidental contact. Later the doctor called it a cracked larynx.

[laxfan25]

He was running down the field and defender reached around and slashed him in the neck. No call. I asked why, said incidental contact. Later the doctor called it a cracked larynx.
See? Again the right call - it was only a cracked larynx. Now if it was broken - then you get the flag. :nut:

[petejobu22]

I was smoked by a pole in a game and my mouth piece came out when I got hit, the official called a penalty on me for not using my mouth piece. lol, he called the penalty as I was getting up and I really didn't know what was going on at the time which made the penalty all the more confusing. Ah oh well everyone makes mistakes

[JohnB-6]

this one Im not making up. bad no-call.

I was in the 6th or 7th grade, playing defense, and the attackman was a hack. I never played dirty, but this guy would hit me when the ball was at the other end of the field, that kind of stuff.

So we are fighting for a ground ball in the corner, and he pushes me over from behind, if it was football it would have been a great tackle, but wrong sport. I get so angry by this point, I roll over onto my back and kick him right in the stomach with both feet right as he bends over to pick up the ball. He is stunned, I get up, I am stunned to not hear a whistle or see a flag, we both look at each other and dont move for a few moments. No whistle. I pick up the ball and run down field. I still cant believe I got away with that. Probably should have been an USC.

[ekajsk8er]

I got a 1 minute NR penalty for hitting a kid with a shot while he was crossing the crease...totally not my fault at all, he just happened to move in front of me.

[wally085]

nope i ahve never ever had a bad call called on me (sarcasam) (sp)

[LaxRef]

I got a 1 minute NR penalty for hitting a kid with a shot while he was crossing the crease...totally not my fault at all, he just happened to move in front of me.

That one does sound questionable.

I guess I'd like to ask people to consider that there's a difference between not agreeing with the official's judgment and the official making a call that is not supported by the rules. I'm far more comfortable with people complaining about the latter.

I'd open up a thread about the times when the coaches and players complained about a call because they had no understanding of the rules involved, but I don't want TLF to have to buy a new server to keep up with all of the posts! :chuckle:

[Sour]

Saw someone at the Flags Finals in England this year get [edit] repeatedly [edit] called for warding with 2 hands on his stick

I got an interesting one in Dublin in April...

From a FO i came off the far wing and hit an opponent in the side as he picked up the ball, hands together just above the hip....as he went down he slewed around and took out my legs (by accident)...this caused me to fall on top of him landing with my shoulder on his head. got called for illegal bodycheck...felt somewhat aggrieved as it was easily my best take out of the tournament!

[JohnB-6]

Rule 6.12
A player in possession of the ball shall not use his free hand or arm or any other part of his body to hold, push or control the direction of the movement of the crosse or body of the player applying the check. A player in possession of the ball may protect his crosse with his hand, arm or other part of his body when his opponent makes a play to check his crosse.

So, you can have two hands on your stick and still ward off, i.e. the player with the ball can lower his shoulder and run through the defensive player like a running back. That is warding off. It may have still been a good call by the refs!

[jimd619]

Fair point LaxRef. Actually rarely do I recall clear errors, although I wish we coaches could see some of the rule interpretations distributed to referees. Our co-coach is also an excellent referee and I often lean on him for the clarifications he has read about that do make differences.

I only recall one bad call off-hand, which he turned into an interpretation. Good ref too. Shot went left behind goal. Goalie ran to right side straight behind toward the line, attackman was on ball side of goal. Step behind goalie to line, but on the other pole was about 9 feet laterally closer to the ball. Ref gave ball to other team, and offered up "closer to the line". After the game I asked him about it (one on one, no one else there) and he again said the goalie was closer to the line. Well, I pulled out my handy rulebook, and he flared up. "I mean he was closer to the ball, and don't ever pull a rulebook out on me again!". I never wish to show someone up, but I can only go by what someone says and I see to recognize whether a rule was understood or not.

[sailorslax88]

yes, this one that cost us a county championship

http://www.newsday.com/sports/lacrosse/ny-video-lacrosse,0,4177395.wmvfile?coll=ny-sports-headlines

[d-man35]

it was in the last game of the jamboree and a middie was running toward me i lower my stick ready to poke check him then he slips and my stick goes into his throat and i get expelled for the game because it looked like an intentional take out or what ever he slipped into my stick

[LaxRef]

Well, I pulled out my handy rulebook, and he flared up. "I mean he was closer to the ball, and don't ever pull a rulebook out on me again!". I never wish to show someone up, but I can only go by what someone says and I see to recognize whether a rule was understood or not.

Under NFHS rules, you can challenge the interpretation of a rule formally. This would have been a good case for that. But a better way to do it is to ask the official what the rule says ("Is it closer to the line or closer to the ball when the ball goes OOB?") rather than waving a rulebook in his face.

Some officials are very touchy about the rules because they're a little insecure about them; that's probably why he snapped at you. Me, I'm such a rules geek that it's rare when I have doubts about the rule, but sometimes my judgment isn't the best (but I'm trying to work on that).

[LaxRef]

it was in the last game of the jamboree and a middie was running toward me i lower my stick ready to poke check him then he slips and my stick goes into his throat and i get expelled for the game because it looked like an intentional take out or what ever he slipped into my stick

Again, I don't think a disagreement in judgment qualifies as a "bad call." If it looked intentional to the official, he's got every right to make that call. In any case, you need to be in control of your stick so that if the player moves you don't slash him.

For example, if you wind up for a big tomahawk chop from behind a guy and while you're in mid-swing he cuts to the side and you nail him in the head, that's your fault for not controlling your stick, not his fault, and you should be called for a slash.

[MidiLine1]

:puke: :flamed: :fart: Sorry just lie then new smileys. Anyways:

I had one calll for one minute unrealesable for grunting at an other player. All i did was make a noise, not even any words nad got a penalty. It was terrible.

The 2nd was i jumped up and scored a goal, it was already clearly in the goal and then i landed in the crease. Goal is canceled and i get called for in the crease. The ball was clearly in while i was in the air still.

[LaxRef]

I had one calll for one minute unrealesable for grunting at an other player. All i did was make a noise, not even any words nad got a penalty. It was terrible.

Did you do it during a faceoff? If so, the call was correct. Even if it wasn't, it could still be ruled baiting or taunting. What are you doing grunting at another player anyway.

The 2nd was i jumped up and scored a goal, it was already clearly in the goal and then i landed in the crease. Goal is canceled and i get called for in the crease. The ball was clearly in while i was in the air still.

This is an absolutely correct call. It's too bad you didn't know the rule.

If an offensive player deliberately leaves his feet by diving or jumping and his own momentum carries him into the crease, and his shot goes into the goal, the goal is disallowed.

Here, there's no dispensation for the ball entering the goal before you land. You should be sure to tell the officials what a great job they did on that call the next time you see them. Be sure to apologize for giving them a hard time when you were the one who had the rule wrong.

[BcLaXeR5]

i had one call about 3 weeks ago. one of my players tripped a kid and i was behind him. the kid fell and i fell over him. and the ref called my for the trip.

[LaxRef]

i had one call about 3 weeks ago. one of my players tripped a kid and i was behind him. the kid fell and i fell over him. and the ref called my for the trip.

Your explanation is a little unclear, but it sounds like your teammate tripped someone and they got the number wrong and made you serve the penalty. That—in the grand scheme of things—is a minor error, not a bad call.

[wcwarriorlax]

1 time at da end of a game dere was a ground ball and i went in and nocked a kid over den da ref called it a loose ball push wen it was equal contact
he was trien to take me out

[JohnB-6]

1 time at da end of a game dere was a ground ball and i went in and nocked a kid over den da ref called it a loose ball push wen it was equal contact
he was trien to take me out

huh?

did you get knocked over also? I dont know how you have equal contact if you knocked the other guy over, but maybe Im reading your post wrong.

[sidewinder19]

IN box at this one arena the mesh on the nets is sooooo tight. I literally scored 3 goals and my teammates got like 5 or 6 that went in top corner or right on the sides and none were goals. The mesh sooo tight right near the posts where the actual mesh attaches, it just bounces out. thats on both nets too.we won the 4 to 3. they got a bunch of goals not counted aswell.

[ShockerAutc]

In my first tournament game ever, this d-man is getting really agressive. It was a pretty good match up. Then a groundball comes my way, i get the ball and the d-man litterally has his arm around mine(above and belowe the shoulder) were losing 4 or 5 to 0 at this point so we gotta get going, so I decide to just run threw him. I get a penalty for holding... This cant be a penalty on me can it? All he had to do was release his arm, but that would of meant a goal :nahya: But, I scored later but we lost so :whyme:

[BelliesLax]

The worst call on me ever was in Box..Some kid tried to jump me in the game and i was trying to walk away as he was punching me i never hit the kid once and got a 3 game suspension and i didnt even start the fight he just jumped me

[JohnB-6]

that is a pretty bad call. I always tell kids to just walk away and we will only need to eject one player.

Out of curiosity, what did you do immediately before the kid jumped you? You must have done something to provoke him, or was it just a random street mugging?

[HeadHeartHustle]

I play attack...i was chasing a defender back to the midline who had the ball.I was about 2-3 ft behind him. I was going to try and check his stick before i had to stop. I wind up , and crack!..I nailed his stick! it flew from his hands about 5 yards away. The ball stayed in his stick. the ref called a slash on me because, and i quote "when you check someones stick, the ball must come out" I was so steaming mad by this point at the ref that all i could do was stare. During the whole game the ref musta thought that the game was womens or sumthin!! We lost in triple overtime.

Another time a kid on my team took a bounce shot from 20 yrds It hit right under the crossbar in the net. Clearly in the net! The ref said it hit the crossbar.

I also got called on a loose ball push when me and the kid went shoulder to shoulder.

[CSlax06]

In indoor, there was this goalie who was real cocky and annoying so I faked a shot low and threw it right at his helmet on purpose (we were up by 6 and its not like I cranked it at his throat or anything) but the funny thing is he got kicked out of the rest of the game for unsportsman like conduct and then 3 mins later when I was running back on the field for a switch I got a 3 min excessive delay of game, haha ok ref. I think theres something wrong with this guy lol.

[PBlax]

I've honestly never gotten a bad call. Every slash, illegal body check, interference etc ive deserved

[LaxRef]

I've honestly never gotten a bad call. Every slash, illegal body check, interference etc ive deserved

:jawdrop: It's the chosen one! The one they spoke of in the prophecies!
We were told one day there would be a player that did not dispute the judgment of the officials! Someone send that guy a magic lacrosse stick or a magic ring or something!

:chuckle:

[dlax13]

Ive been call more than once for a slash to the helmet, but more than many where when i hit the persons stick and their head or shaft went and hit their own helmet. Its not that bad of a penalty i just hate when the refs call it.

[MAlax42]

The most ridiculous penalty I ever got was a 1min NR for being "too vicious" when I was poke checking the guy's bottom hand which was ON THE STICK when he had the ball.

[Woodenstick]

The most ridiculous penalty I ever got was a 1min NR for being "too vicious" when I was poke checking the guy's bottom hand which was ON THE STICK when he had the ball.

"Slashing - Art. 1...Swinging a crosse at an oponent's crosse or body with deliberate viciousness or reckless abandon, regardless or whether the opponent's crosse or body is struck"

While it is not that common to call a slash (or UR) for a poke-check to the hands, it certainly is a possible call, and the rule permits the call even if the check lands on the stick or misses completely. The lower the level of play, the more likely you could get this call. I would be surprised to see such a call at the HS varsity level, but not at a youth level. But this would not be a NR penalty, unless the other team had a 1 minute penalty at the same time.

[PBlax]

:jawdrop: It's the chosen one! The one they spoke of in the prophecies!
We were told one day there would be a player that did not dispute the judgment of the officials! Someone send that guy a magic lacrosse stick or a magic ring or something!

:chuckle:
lol its true though, and ive noticed that being more of a man about it and just sucking it up and taking the calls the refs become more understanding and will let a few things slide :idea:

[LAX#16]

in a a1 tourney in kamloops we were down three and i scored two goals and they were dissallowed becuz they said it was crease which it was clearly not.

[LaxRef]

in a a1 tourney in kamloops we were down three and i scored two goals and they were dissallowed becuz they said it was crease which it was clearly not.

Yeah, because you're in a better position to make that call, and because you know the crease rules better than the officials, right?

[JohnB-6]

When I ref, if I EVER have a doubt about a crease violation, I go in favor of the attackman. If I didnt see it, I cant call it. When a kid is driving to the goal, I get dangerously close to the crease and watch his feet, making sure he doesnt hit that crease. Ive only been hit with a shot a hanful of times...

How about the rest of you guys? How close do you stay on 3-man? 2-man?

[LoyolaMiddie878]

i hate it when i get a slash call on me when i don't even hit the guy and i just get air.

i mean, i know it is a slash technically, but it's just embarassing, lol.

[LaxRef]

When I ref, if I EVER have a doubt about a crease violation, I go in favor of the attackman. If I didnt see it, I cant call it. When a kid is driving to the goal, I get dangerously close to the crease and watch his feet, making sure he doesnt hit that crease. Ive only been hit with a shot a hanful of times...

How about the rest of you guys? How close do you stay on 3-man? 2-man?

In both, I get as close as I can without interfering with the passing lanes or the play. I guess I'll come up to 2-3 yards away from the crease if I can, but usually I'm pushed back farther than that.

[ShockerAutc]

What defines an offensive holding call laxref? I got one when a defender held onto me and instead of backing up i just ran through him while he held onto my shoulder. It was strange b/c he yelled to the ref holding and then all of a sudden i was in the penalty box, but since he was latched onto me i didnt get it.

[LaxRef]

What defines an offensive holding call laxref? I got one when a defender held onto me and instead of backing up i just ran through him while he held onto my shoulder. It was strange b/c he yelled to the ref holding and then all of a sudden i was in the penalty box, but since he was latched onto me i didnt get it.

Something's wrong for sure, since holding is a technical foul, and if you commit a technical during a loose ball or while your team has possession the penalty is simply that the other team gets the ball, not a trip to the penalty area.

I've only called offensive holding when the offensive player locked the defensive player's stick under his arm.

[LaxRef]

"Slashing - Art. 1...Swinging a crosse at an oponent's crosse or body with deliberate viciousness or reckless abandon, regardless or whether the opponent's crosse or body is struck"

While it is not that common to call a slash (or UR) for a poke-check to the hands, it certainly is a possible call, and the rule permits the call even if the check lands on the stick or misses completely.

They may have invoked the "beating the hand to death" rule, where one guy was just pounding on the hand on the stick. But it shouldn't be NR unless for some reason it was judged to be a USC or, as you say, if rule 7-2-d applies.

Or it could have been a bad call. I have a hard time seeing how poking the bottom hand could be inflicting undue force, but I suppose it's possible (especially, as you say, at low levels of play).

[MAlax42]

"Slashing - Art. 1...Swinging a crosse at an oponent's crosse or body with deliberate viciousness or reckless abandon, regardless or whether the opponent's crosse or body is struck"

While it is not that common to call a slash (or UR) for a poke-check to the hands, it certainly is a possible call, and the rule permits the call even if the check lands on the stick or misses completely. The lower the level of play, the more likely you could get this call. I would be surprised to see such a call at the HS varsity level, but not at a youth level. But this would not be a NR penalty, unless the other team had a 1 minute penalty at the same time.

Hey, thanks. I didn't know that.

That makes sense because this happened during a game when I was in at middie in a middle school JV game. (I started goalie)

[ShockerAutc]

I've only called offensive holding when the offensive player locked the defensive player's stick under his arm.[/QUOTE]


It might have been that. I guess his stick was somewhat under my arm, though im pretty sure that is the case because he had is arm wrapped around me in the first place. It wasn't really a loose ball when called, It had been a groundball and I had just gotten when he wrapped his arm over my shoulder and then I power through and got the penalty.

[Shakerlax8]

i had the ball i got stick checked and my stick hit some kid in the face and i got a penalty

[JohnB-6]

what penalty did you get?

[jimd619]

I've only called offensive holding when the offensive player locked the defensive player's stick under his arm.


It might have been that. I guess his stick was somewhat under my arm, though im pretty sure that is the case because he had is arm wrapped around me in the first place. It wasn't really a loose ball when called, It had been a groundball and I had just gotten when he wrapped his arm over my shoulder and then I power through and got the penalty.[/QUOTE]


This can lead to the other tough call for a referee. Defensive player slides stick under offensive player arm. To avoid possible hold, offensive player takes hand off stick and raises his arm. Defensive stick rides upward with the arm, and you have what appears to be a hold.

[D Bay]

I'll just share one against me that I thought was pretty funny. In indoor league, I was near the top of the box area when my defender just blatently whacks me in the facemask. I drop back, cradling one-handed now, and just go "ref, call on the slash?" he just kinda gives me a blank look, so I then went "alright then" faked a pass and split dodged right past the defender, shot on the run, and put it in the back of the net

[Woodenstick]

I'll just share one against me that I thought was pretty funny. In indoor league, I was near the top of the box area when my defender just blatently whacks me in the facemask. I drop back, cradling one-handed now, and just go "ref, call on the slash?" he just kinda gives me a blank look, so I then went "alright then" faked a pass and split dodged right past the defender, shot on the run, and put it in the back of the net

Referees will often ignore blatent face-mask shots because they believe that the attacking team gets a bigger advantage from the emotional reaction to the hit than from an actual penalty. Glad to hear that it worked in your case. :chuckle:

[LaxRef]

Referees will often ignore blatent face-mask shots because they believe that the attacking team gets a bigger advantage from the emotional reaction to the hit than from an actual penalty. Glad to hear that it worked in your case. :chuckle:

It works similarly when there's a butt-end to the groin and when a d-man picks up a tiny attackman and stuffs him into a sideline garbage can.

[BlueJaysLaxFan]

It works similarly when there's a butt-end to the groin and when a d-man picks up a tiny attackman and stuffs him into a sideline garbage can.

The ref won't call that either unless the d-man stuffs the attacker into an endline garbage can in which case offsides is called for being dragged past the midfield line. :jawdrop:

[LaxRef]

The ref won't call that either unless the d-man stuffs the attacker into an endline garbage can in which case offsides is called for being dragged past the midfield line. :jawdrop:

What if it's on the other endline, so he doesn't have to cross midfield.

[Brady]

the player with the ball can lower his shoulder and run through the defensive player like a running back. That is warding off. It may have still been a good call by the refs!Am I wrong or is that a bull dodge and aren't they legal?

If you're carrying the ball and can go through another player with your shoulder (not making a thrusting motion with it--just using it) that isn't legal? I'm honestly just asking.

[LAXatives55]

this doesnt really belong here, as the ref did make the call eventually, to my suprise, but it took about six times. we were playing a team who had a very annoying goalie...he wasnt good, i had a hat trick in the first half, but he was just annoying, always talking trash, and such. anyways, whenever he would clear the ball, he would throw it, then hed pull his stick back in a swift motion so that the butt end would hit me or the other attackmen in the crotch (am i allowed to say that?). well, obviously the ref usually missed this, but in the third quarter, after our coach get ejected for complaing about one of my seven served penalties (two i deserved, two were judgement calls, and three were because i was the in house), he saw it and called interference. it was an amazing moment in that game.

i was playing in a tourny and the d hit real hard. but they got lazy too. so i get a pass at x, and this guy comes at me likes hes gonna truck me, so i split dodge, and as im about to blow by him, he clotheslines me. stick in the right hand, my throat in his left. a little pissed off, i push him off me with my free hand and keep going. the whistle blows, i stop, then he comes and lays me out from behind. i get a minute for a "vicious ward." when my coach freaks he adds on another two minutes and makes it nr.

[i live 4 lax]

They both sound like good calls to me.
yea me to... i had a call on me once for warding, when no one was around me. there was no one seven feet aroudn me and i got called for warding.

[XxlacrossexX]

i was playing in a tourny and the d hit real hard. but they got lazy too. so i get a pass at x, and this guy comes at me likes hes gonna truck me, so i split dodge, and as im about to blow by him, he clotheslines me. stick in the right hand, my throat in his left. a little pissed off, i push him off me with my free hand and keep going. the whistle blows, i stop, then he comes and lays me out from behind. i get a minute for a "vicious ward." when my coach freaks he adds on another two minutes and makes it nr.


what the fruit? that ref is whack, though you did deserve the the warding call, but the defender should have been called for UR



also, I have never gotten a penalty. I AM THE CHOSEN ONE!!!!!!!!!!!111

[lacrosse_queen1]

the worst call against me was a goaltender interference cuz I was in the crease and then the goalie puncked me in the face mask with no call...
Um, slightly off topic but is it okay for a ref to talk to a player not about calls? I had a ref tell me I was playing great in the final of a tournament..... during a play......

[Woodenstick]

the worst call against me was a goaltender interference cuz I was in the crease and then the goalie puncked me in the face mask with no call...
Um, slightly off topic but is it okay for a ref to talk to a player not about calls? I had a ref tell me I was playing great in the final of a tournament..... during a play......

Referees may talk to players before, during or after a game. This chatter is part of the "referees are human beings" Program. Which coincidentally is why referees miss calls during games.

[gigo567]

Worst call I had is when a defender had the ball and I check him in the gut because his stick was right in front of it. I didn't wind up or anything and the kid screams. He screams(what guy screams)(and he swore at me) and the ref calls me for slashing.

[dram183]

well maybe you did wind up enough subconsciously for the slash, you never know. Also some refs go a little more leniently on the language rule, especially if you just checked the bajeezes out of the guys gut.


It seems like most of the things in this thread turn out to be good calls

[LaxRef]

Worst call I had is when a defender had the ball and I check him in the gut because his stick was right in front of it. I didn't wind up or anything and the kid screams. He screams(what guy screams)(and he swore at me) and the ref calls me for slashing.

If you hit him in the gut, it's a slash.

[laxmax137]

One time I knocked the coaches son on the other team out of bounds. He started jog backwards and then he tripped. So the coach on the other team comes out and starts saying some 4 letter words at the ref because he didn't call anything. So after that "nice" decscusion the ref says i have a 2 minute penalty for " intentional tripping. I was so pissed as i walked over to sidelines.

[LaxRef]

One time I knocked the coaches son on the other team out of bounds. He started jog backwards and then he tripped. So the coach on the other team comes out and starts saying some 4 letter words at the ref because he didn't call anything. So after that "nice" decscusion the ref says i have a 2 minute penalty for " intentional tripping. I was so pissed as i walked over to sidelines.

You know, I let coaches talk me into calling penalties all the time. Of course, the penalty always ends up being against the coach. :chuckle:

[laxmax137]

Yeah i wish that ref was like you

[gigo567]

If you hit him in the gut, it's a slash.
Man thats kinda lame...

[Tasslehoff9566]

All the Refs the team i was on sucked some members on the team got into fights early on but then the rest of the season would call bs things on us like "to hard of a push" 2mins or a slash when it was off the stick but then a player on our team wraps a stick around the leg of another player but there was no call.

[laxliveit]

well, there was the time that they called back our goal because their dman hopped in the crease when their goalie was decked on an attempted clear.

or when my teammate took a crankshot, bounched off the goalies helmet, into the upper corner and out, and when he freaked out about it cuz there was no goal called got called for a penalty (it was a close game). but he did deserve the penalty.

or (this was way back), an attackman on my team was basically tooling on this defender, always had two steps on him, so the defender checks at the part of the body facing him, which is his butt. after a couple vicious poke checks to the rear end my friend turns and runs backyard, saying to the d man, 'you like putting your stick there, don't you?' tweet, USC.

in hockey i got called for a trip when i was in front of the guy, with my stick in front of me going for the puck.

[aussielax]

I get called for penalties i shouldn't get a lot, There are to many for me to remeber the worst ones. Most of the ref's in my league don't really know what they are doing.

[LaxRef]

I get called for penalties i shouldn't get a lot, There are to many for me to remeber the worst ones. Most of the ref's in my league don't really know what they are doing.

And what makes you think you understand the rules and that they don't? Maybe it's the other way around. Have you passed a rules test? Have they? :thinking:

[Crimdad]

I'm a defensemen and there was som action up near the mid line and my man wasn't in the mix( he was back around the crease waiting for the end result) so I'm whatching from a few yards away and a heavy hitter from our team lays a big cheap shot on some kid and I get the call

[BTlaxripper]

"Over the head"

What is this basketball?
The ref just made up some stupid call because I did an ice pick, which was clean by the way.

He mumbled and stuttered for almost 5 minutes trying to explain it and then changed it to slash or something. But I didn't hit is body at all and it wasn't uncontrolled.

He even made up a hand signal for the penalty.

[Tasslehoff9566]

And what makes you think you understand the rules and that they don't? Maybe it's the other way around. Have you passed a rules test? Have they? :thinking:
The Refs in our league hold things agienst the team and certent players on the team.the Refs said the Defence were hiting to hard but they hit players on our team harder and stay up i dont think they would call it as often if the whole defence wasnt over 6ft and over 200pounds.we got all the crap calls last year.

[LaxRef]

The Refs in our league hold things agienst the team and certent players on the team.the Refs said the Defence were hiting to hard but they hit players on our team harder and stay up i dont think they would call it as often if the whole defence wasnt over 6ft and over 200pounds.we got all the crap calls last year.


You didn't answer the question. Have you passed a rules test? Have the officials? How can you judge whether the calls were bad unless you know the rules? Why should we take your word for it that the calls were bad when we know from experience that most of the time people complain about bad calls it's because they don't understand the rule?

[cvhs#1]

i swin moved a middie and my hand that wasent on my stick TOUCHED the player he dident even move a little bit and i got called for warding.

[LaxRef]

i swin moved a middie and my hand that wasent on my stick TOUCHED the player he dident even move a little bit and i got called for warding.

That's an awful call! He should have called you for holding!

[cvhs#1]

why i dident grab or restict his movement at all?

[LaxRef]

why i dident grab or restict his movement at all?

You can't put your free hand on another player. Even if you don't restrict his movement, you gain an advantage by using your hand to balance and steady yourself as you make the one-handed check.

[cvhs#1]

I was the offensive player not the defender making the check

[LaxRef]

I was the offensive player not the defender making the check

Oh. Well, keep your free hand off the defensive player then. You may have thought you gained no advantage, but often players use the free hand in the swim move to their advantage. If you're gaining no advantage by touching him, don't touch him since it risks the ward call.

And, serioulsy, if that's the worst call you've had on you, you've got some good officials in your area.

[rizzini]

one time a ref called one of my team mates for traveling. i dont know what was up with that.

[LaxRef]

one time a ref called one of my team mates for traveling. i dont know what was up with that.

He must have picked up his dribble.

[TheKOB]

Every "hitting too hard" penalty ever.

Although it is funny watching laxref take up for every official everywhere ever and get defensive on his behalf.... :)

[SuperSully]

i got called for an UNR because a kid tried to hit me when i was carrying the ball, and i droped my shoulder and leveled the kid.
football style haha i love it

[spyopticgoggles]

this one time i was running down the field and go in to shoot, and the defensemen slashed me straight in the calves and the ref didnt call anything

[LaxRef]

this one time i was running down the field and go in to shoot, and the defensemen slashed me straight in the calves and the ref didnt call anything

That's not a bad call. It isn't any call at all. :thumbsdow

[Kid A]

For the most part, the refs have been pretty good to me, usually giving me fair warning when they think i'm slashing too agressively, which is why i've never taken a penalty. The one time I can think of some injustice was when i took a deliberate slash across my knees. The D-pole didn't even attempt to go for my stick, he just stepped into a full-out baseball swing at my legs when i was coming out of a dodge. That hit knocked me out of the tournament and he only got a 2 minute slashing penalty. Other than that, no beef.

[ELDIABLO]

I was on D right by the crease and the ball was by the sideline. One guy on my team made an illegal check and then for some reason the ref not only sent the guy on my team that had commited the penalty, he looked around for about thirty seconds then finally settled on me and called my number and sent me to the box also. The worst part was that the ref wouldn't tell me what i did wrong and he refused to talk to my coach.

[3rdPersonPlural]

.... he (the ref) looked around for about thirty seconds then finally settled on me and called my number and sent me to the box also.

This was because you are bow-legged and ugly.

The worst part was that the ref wouldn't tell me what i did wrong and he refused to talk to my coach.

This is bad practice. If a bow-legged and ugly player such as yourself catches on that the ref was casting about for something to call, then had nothing particular in mind, he lost a bit of mojo there.

He probably saw some pole do something dishonorable and decided to add that infraction to his flag. This happened to me a lot when I played. Like you, I was (and am) bow legged and ugly (until my helmet came off :bye: ). You just have to try twice as hard to play legal so the ref doesn't look for reasons to improve the aesthetics of the field by removing you.

3PP

Founder and poster boy for the Bow-Legged and Ugly Club - National

[CardinalPuff]

he looked around for about thirty seconds then finally settled on me and called my number and sent me to the box also. The worst part was that the ref wouldn't tell me what i did wrong and he refused to talk to my coach.
i penalized you because you think highlands ranch is a "ghetto".....HR, where the median household income was $86,792 and the median house value was $235,100 at the time of the last census (2000)....in other words, i gave you a minute for being an obnoxious, rich-boy twit....

that and you're bow-legged and ugly....

[ELDIABLO]

ooooo animosity, I love it. You deserve a gold star for being a Highlands Ranch expert.
O and btw, I'm not bow legged and ugly, I'm pigeon toed and fat

[CardinalPuff]

i credit wikipedia for my HR knowledge and if had know about the pigeon-toed, fat thing i would have given you 2 minutes....but no animosity....

[bikeboy610]

i got kicked out for fighting what the other kid was punching me so i punshed him back hard and the ref happend to see me he was punshing me because it was a tie game down their end of the field so he tried to pick up the ball and i wound up and nailed him in the leg.

i got called for warding with a free hand because a kid stuck his stick throu my arm so i put my arm over his stick and they called that warding

[emersonlax]

yes i made a legal stick check and started pulling down and the kid fliped and i got called for something.

[laxfan25]

yes i made a legal stick check and started pulling down and the kid fliped and i got called for something.
Man, that was a horrible call! I hope they've fired the referee for calling crap like that.. :evil:

[FitzGoalie]

well, this isn't so much of a bad call as a lack of a good call:
the other day, i was watching my schools JV team play. at one point my school was 2 men down....but due to miscommunication between coaches and players, we still had nine players on the field....5 of which were long poles. everyone on the sideline was trying to stifle laughter/ be really quiet about it. meanwhile the opposing coach was screaming himself silly. but the whole penalty passed without a single ref noticing...i gotta say it was one of the funniest reffing errors i've ever seen.

[massref]

After reading many of the "complaints" it is obvious that many players have no idea what the rules actually are. Where are the coaches? Coahes, spend a practice going over the rules, and then enforce them at practices. Ask or hire an official to come to your practice and explain the basic rules. It may keep some of the players out of the penalty box and allow you to win a game that you might lose due to unnecessary penalties.
:banghead:

[massref]

Read the rules...... :nono:

[massref]

well, this isn't so much of a bad call as a lack of a good call:
the other day, i was watching my schools JV team play. at one point my school was 2 men down....but due to miscommunication between coaches and players, we still had nine players on the field....5 of which were long poles. everyone on the sideline was trying to stifle laughter/ be really quiet about it. meanwhile the opposing coach was screaming himself silly. but the whole penalty passed without a single ref noticing...i gotta say it was one of the funniest reffing errors i've ever seen.

The coach should have called for a horn at the next dead ball and asked for a count of long poles. As I said before, know the basic rules. :dummy:

[FitzGoalie]

The coach should have called for a horn at the next dead ball and asked for a count of long poles. As I said before, know the basic rules. :dummy:

oddly enough, there wasn't a single dead ball the entire penalty, and subbing a pole out on the fly while man down, especially on JV, would have been just handing the other team a goal. of course the opposing team was a first year team, and this was their first game, so the coach may not have been up to snuff on the procedure.

[LaxRef]

oddly enough, there wasn't a single dead ball the entire penalty, and subbing a pole out on the fly while man down, especially on JV, would have been just handing the other team a goal. of course the opposing team was a first year team, and this was their first game, so the coach may not have been up to snuff on the procedure.

Doesn't matter when the next dead ball is. The coach should just tell the table, "Look how many people they have on the field, look how many long crosses there are, remember both numbers, and sound the horn twice on the next dead ball." Then the officials come over, the scorer tells them what happened, and the officials assess the appropriate penalty.

BTW, the "official" procedure for too many long crosses is to call for a double horn at the next dead ball. I have never seen this happen. In practice, the coach just yells, "Too many long poles!" until he gets a flag thrown.

[FitzGoalie]

Doesn't matter when the next dead ball is. The coach should just tell the table, "Look how many people they have on the field, look how many long crosses there are, remember both numbers, and sound the horn twice on the next dead ball." Then the officials come over, the scorer tells them what happened, and the officials assess the appropriate penalty.

BTW, the "official" procedure for too many long crosses is to call for a double horn at the next dead ball. I have never seen this happen. In practice, the coach just yells, "Too many long poles!" until he gets a flag thrown.
well, okay. but whatever was suppossed to happen didn't.

[Marcus]

I have a hard time calling something a "bad call". Refs are like the weather, you can't change it so play around it or go home. I have had refs tell me (when I was a player/captain) after the game when I went to shake their hands, that they realized that the offsides call they had on me or slash, was a muffed call but you got to realize if refs start taking back calls, then their credibility goes way down. That being said they made those calls thinking they were accurate and then realizing something they did see before, i.e. that really small middie who stayed back, and stuff like that.

The only true bad call I can say was way out of line was when our player was punched, a straight out hook, right in front of the ref , and the ref kicked our player out of the game and let the other guy off. I dont know if you can be white and blue colorblind but I had so much repsect for my teammate for not retaliating, and to see him punished for it really bothered me.

[LaxRef]

I have a hard time calling something a "bad call". Refs are like the weather, you can't change it so play around it or go home. I have had refs tell me (when I was a player/captain) after the game when I went to shake their hands, that they realized that the offsides call they had on me or slash, was a muffed call but you got to realize if refs start taking back calls, then their credibility goes way down. That being said they made those calls thinking they were accurate and then realizing something they did see before, i.e. that really small middie who stayed back, and stuff like that.

I appreciate your mature attitude, but I have to disagree on one point: it's better to change the call and get it right than to let the wrong call stand provided you realize it in a timely manner and provided it doesn't happen very much. Seriously, wouldn't you respect an official more if, after throwing a flag, he huddled with his partners, came back, and picked up the flag if that was the right call?

The only true bad call I can say was way out of line was when our player was punched, a straight out hook, right in front of the ref , and the ref kicked our player out of the game and let the other guy off. I dont know if you can be white and blue colorblind but I had so much repsect for my teammate for not retaliating, and to see him punished for it really bothered me.

I will say that sometimes you just "lose" the color on a foul. It happened more when I started officiating, but it still happens occasionally on, say, a loose ball push in a crowded area. However, I would hope to get it right if it was a punch in the face!

[Tehb2]

I came at my D-Pole to dodge, and he literally (no lie) reached out, grabbed my jersey, and pulled me in. I rolled away and even though the ref is 10 yds next to us, with a perfect view, I get called for ward. I lightly drop the ball behind me over my shoulder, and then he gives me a penalty for unsportsman like conduct. (It was a light toss, but seriously, it didn't go more than 2 ft from my body) These guys always call in favor of the home team.

[3rdPersonPlural]

I came at my D-Pole to dodge, and he literally (no lie) reached out, grabbed my jersey, and pulled me in.

Well, that's a penalty

I rolled away and even though the ref is 10 yds next to us, with a perfect view, I get called for ward.

I bet you pushed off. I would have, had a defender had a fistful of my jersey......

I lightly drop the ball behind me over my shoulder, and then he gives me a penalty for unsportsman like conduct. (It was a light toss, but seriously, it didn't go more than 2 ft from my body)

Think back. Were you being adversarial to the refs? Were you hollering 'Slash!' and 'That's holding!' while navigating around the crease with or without the ball? Was your coach spending more time shouting instructions to the refs than to his players?

Refs are human, too. We're doing the best we can and get prickley when dissed.

These guys always call in favor of the home team.

I officiated my own kid's game today. I was able to do just fine, and my partner (as well as the opposing coach) complimented me on my work.

I think that you need to forget about the calls and play your gameas if no refs were there. Make believe that you're playing post collegiate club and the ref is the most hung over player who still managed to make the field......

[Marcus]

You are right, especially in respect to time. I just know that if one coach is heavily lobbying, aka screaming/complaining, and a call gets overturned, then the other coach thinks the ref and the guy are bedfellows or something. If they realize it quickly or if an official with a better view comes up with a correction, that issue tends to be moot. But if they are starting to reset and the ref realizes that there was a mistake well I guess there is a point of no return in my mind which is understandable (which I would realize.....after the game when the heat of the moment had passed!)

[Longpole5435]

I think that you need to forget about the calls and play your gameas if no refs were there. Make believe that you're playing post collegiate club and the ref is the most hung over player who still managed to make the field......

As opposed to high school referees (especially those who reside in California) who aren't recovering from the influence of a substance, they are actually under it. :nut:

But the worst call against me was when I was slashed 12 times in a row on the gloves and no penalty was called. I was so angry that I swore at the referee and he gave me another ridiculous penalty. Can't stand them stupid zebras...

[Marcus]

calls like that happen. Have you ever poked at a guy trying to do a swim move and have him clamp your head in his armpit, happened to me with this one kid in a particular game three times.

First time:Kept both hands on the stick, although he tried to drag me along (Luckily I was bigger) I get called for a hold.

Second time:He tried to drag me again and stopped short, my momentum carried me in and call Push from Behind.

Third time: Left one hand on the stick held my other hand out, so Im running behind him with and outstretched hand playing charades with the ref, I pointed at him, then my stick, and flapped my arm like a chicken wing, call: Ward. I was always good at charades.

[Marcus]

But the worst call against me was when I was slashed 12 times in a row on the gloves and no penalty was called. I was so angry that I swore at the referee and he gave me another ridiculous penalty. Can't stand them stupid zebras...

Right or Wrong, a penalty for swearing at an official is not ridiculous. You may argue that the no-call is ridiculous but swearing at the ref...surprised you didn't get ejected.

[3rdPersonPlural]

As opposed to high school referees (especially those who reside in California) who aren't recovering from the influence of a substance, they are actually under it. :nut:

Of course, there's nothing like slamming back a couple of highballs before officiating a game. Running and drinking isn't illegal, after all, and just because you fall down a lot and tend to lose your grip on the intricacies of game management shouldn't diminish the joy of puking on a coach's shoes.

[thedamnedfan]

Tonight in indoor I come up, hit a kid. Legal hit, he fall over and I trip and fall to his side, I get up before him and as im coming up he is as well, I get a well swung elbow right in the face mask with the ref infront of me. Ball gets cleared and I say "Are you serious Pat." (referees name) and he just looks at me makes eye contact and pays attention to the ball.

This was a night of a good example of one sided reffing. Kind of redicilous. Alot of redic loose ball pushes, push from behind, and no slash calls on the opposing team, except for one at the final buzzer when a guy baseball swung at our goalies stomach.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Tonight in indoor ......

Say no more. Most of us here are field refs and we consider box to be more like hockey or professional wrestling.

I LOVE watching it. I'd never dream of trying to officiate it.

[Longpole5435]

Right or Wrong, a penalty for swearing at an official is not ridiculous. You may argue that the no-call is ridiculous but swearing at the ref...surprised you didn't get ejected.
You missed the joke... :whyme: :imparied: