Award spot for out of bounds pass

[blindbill]

Where do we award possession on an out of bounds pass?

Defensive player, about 5 yds from sideline and at HIS goal line extended, launches a long outlet pass. Ball travels 60 yds., but at an angle and lands out of bounds by about 5 yds. Ball clearly broke the plane of the sideline about 20 yds. from where he threw it.

Where is possession awarded?

[CAlaxCoach]

As far as I understand, you award posesstion at the point the ball goes out. Like every other sport, Basketball, soccer, football; It's the point at which the ball goes from in play to out of play. I question the geometry of the throw however. If he's only 5 yards from the sideline and the ball goes 60 yards and lands out ouf bounds by only 5 yards; unless he hit a bird on the fly the ball would of gone out at 30 yards assuming he through it up the near sideline not across the field.

[LaxRef]

Where do we award possession on an out of bounds pass?

Defensive player, about 5 yds from sideline and at HIS goal line extended, launches a long outlet pass. Ball travels 60 yds., but at an angle and lands out of bounds by about 5 yds. Ball clearly broke the plane of the sideline about 20 yds. from where he threw it.

Where is possession awarded?

This is why we have this forum. I don't think it's explicitly covered. For a pass OOB, though, it's not OOB until it touches the ground, so it's tempting to give them the ball at the closest in-bounds point to where it hit the ground. The "breaking the plane" idea also has merit.

What about this one: B1 is standing on his GLE, one foot from the sideline. The head of the stick, with the ball in it, is OOB, and he launches a pass to the other GLE which lands OOB. In some sense, the ball is OOB as soon as he releases it, while in another sense it's not OOB until it hits the ground by the other GLE. Where does the ball go?

I think we need a clarification on this one. I'm away from my home manchine now; can someone PM me about this issue or bump the thread after 8/6?

[laxcomm]

From what I have seen over MANY years in the college game, what has to beaddressed is how far in bounds the ball is brought before starting play. I have seen players walk the ball in 5yard, and sometimes 10 yards. This puts the defensive player at a disadvantage. It should be one step which is approximately one yard.

[blindbill]

I would think that with the ball in possession, where the player was touching the ground would determine the position of the ball. Or even the "diving save" would require that the ball touch the ground to be considered OOB.

It seemed common sense to award the ball where it broke the plane (you are correct CAlaxCoach, at 30 yds.). However, by rule, at least as far as I can see, it is where it touches the ground OOB.

[laxfan25]

I treat OOB passes like golf shots crossing into a hazard - line of flight where it crossed the boundary, similar to what they do on a punt. It's not brought in laterally from where it hit the ground, but on the line determined by the refs.
As far as coming in bounds - the mechanic if you are in front of the bench/table areas is to bring them on 5 yds, or halfway to the wing line. Anywhere else on the field, give them one step on the field. If they're not being contested I'm not picky if they come in a few steps more.
On another aspect, on shots, i've made sure that they bring the ball in where it went out. Over the past year or so, it seems like many officials have been less stringent about the restart position. What have you seen?

[laxattack11]

a little off topic but not that much. if a pass is going OOB, i jump in the air, catch it, and throw it back in before it lands, continue play or is it OOB?

[laxfan25]

a little off topic but not that much. if a pass is going OOB, i jump in the air, catch it, and throw it back in before it lands, continue play or is it OOB?

AS long as it leaves your stick before your feet touch the ground you're fine, same as the basketball save. What often happens though is that the saver touches down before they break contact with the ball, in which case you are OOB.

[Laxref_36]

a little off topic but not that much. if a pass is going OOB, i jump in the air, catch it, and throw it back in before it lands, continue play or is it OOB?

This is specifically the reason that the ball is NOT out of bounds until it touches something that is out of bounds. The only caveat to this is I beleive that you must leave your feet while you are still in bounds (within the field of play) to be considered in bounds. I remember the old saying, your status is determined from whence you came.