The Dreaded Equipment arms race

[SharpShooter3]

If you haven't noticed there is a bloody equipment arms race. It used to be that a good player got good equipment because he (or she) deserved it. Now 10 year old kids brag about what stick they have and how expensive it was. I a mean it is disgusting, 10 year olds walking around with rock-it pockets and harrows. It is one thing to have trad, but a rock-it pocket? Many lacrosse players (especially young ones) really on technology not skill. But then again that is a very fine line because we all rely on technology to a certain extent.

[TheKOB]

Those kids that rely on equipment will get rocked when the kid with the bucket helment and OZ will spend time on the wall. You can't find a player in college or hs who made it there thanks to his equipment. When you see a kid with some sad equipment but skills, you have respect for him. When you see some poser with the backwards/upside down visor and $500 worth of gear along with 18 sticks who can't catch a ball, you can't wait to go against him, beat him up, steal his lunch money, and embarrass him so that his parents tell the crowd in the stands that he's adopted.

Shiney stuff, on the other hand, provides a distinct mystical advantage and should be respected whenever possible.

[RockStar]

Originally posted by SharpShooter3
If you haven't noticed there is a bloody equipment arms race. It used to be that a good player got good equipment because he (or she) deserved it. Now 10 year old kids brag about what stick they have and how expensive it was. I a mean it is disgusting, 10 year olds walking around with rock-it pockets and harrows. It is one thing to have trad, but a rock-it pocket? Many lacrosse players (especially young ones) really on technology not skill. But then again that is a very fine line because we all rely on technology to a certain extent.

What's disgusting about it is how much some of these rotten kids' parents spend on this crap!

[TheKOB]

Originally posted by RockStar
What's disgusting about it is how much some of these rotten kids' parents spend on this crap!

Or the staff at a lacrosse store loading up an ignorent parent with stuff so expensive most college players don't have it. It definitely goes both ways...that's how I ended up with a STX turbo (loved the head) strung like a girls stick for my first stick.

[SharpShooter3]

Lol me to but it was worse. They sold me a STX Ballhog (illegal stick) for my first stick, then when I returned it they gave me a wave, which wasn't much of an improvement

[mx255]

as much as i disagree with the practice, i cant say much because if i had the ability to obtain it when i was younger i woud have and now i buy new stuff when i need it or want it so we cant totally criticize

[TheKOB]

I think the difference is buying it and truely knowing how to use it. A 10 y o kid who buys (or parents buy) a $130 stick definitely doesn't know how to use it, much less string it. The guys that grew up playing with straight heads know how though...

If I ever have kids, I'm gonna get 'em an old high wall, and let them build up from there. Walk before they run. A highwall on a training shaft....

[WestSideLa X eR]

good call, i hate kids that are like that. I noticed it too. Not only thier equipment, but the kids that have all that nice equipment have an attitude to match. THAT really pisses me off

[CHMiddie]

yea but the sticks we grew up with arent really mainstream or in production anymore. i mean i grew up on shotguns n then moved to a cyber. theres a paradox tho. i mean the mll n nll are making the sport grow...but the kids joining now have no skills. they lookat some idols n see them carryin a harrow n a finalizer n superfreaks n say i want it. they dont look for skills, they look for equipment that pros are usin.

[TheKOB]

at least one thing will remain true...you'll need the skills to utilize the equipment. There's no real payout to buying an edgex vs a av8 if the skill sets are the same...

[RockStar]

Originally posted by CHMiddie
yea but the sticks we grew up with arent really mainstream or in production anymore. i mean i grew up on shotguns n then moved to a cyber. theres a paradox tho. i mean the mll n nll are making the sport grow...but the kids joining now have no skills. they lookat some idols n see them carryin a harrow n a finalizer n superfreaks n say i want it. they dont look for skills, they look for equipment that pros are usin.

Good points, except you'd never see a Harrow in the MLL (unless you've already broken the three P.O.S. Warrior shafts that you started the game with :agree Don't laugh, some poor Rattler was slapped for playing with an "illegal" stick last year...was it Shindler??).

Geez though, its not even funny anymore......Warrior makes $150 gloves, and arm guards to match. Some outfits are making shafts that push $200 for attack and $300 for D.

Hell, even though I have a fair bit of disposable income available to spend on equipment, and like to have good stuff, I'd never pay these prices!

[TheKOB]

shoot...some charge $300+ for just a D shaft, depending on where you go. Just give me simple titanium a broken in pair of gloves, and a proton.

If you look at the sideline shots of upper level d1 schools, most of them have x2's and protons or their equivalent. not real high end...

[waxon]

I just started playing last season. My first stick was an stx octane on an al 6000. I hated it and before the season started, I bout a revo and an f55 with my OWN money. I don't think there is anything wrong with it if I paid for it and NOT my parents. Plus I'd rather just get nice equiptment now, then just keep upgrading to better and better and better and better. It's cheaper to buy nice equiptment that'll last from the beginning.

[RockStar]

Waxon:

There's good equipment, and then there's overkill.

No one needs $300 USD worth of arm guards and gloves......I spent about that or less on an entire set of box armour, including gloves and helmet.

[V-cut]

i can understand buying gloves around 90 USD and a helmet around 150 USD, but once you go over that amount, and your new to the sport, then its just a waste. i spent 50 bucks on pads a few years ago, and a couple strands of sthletic tape later, they are still hanging in. to a certain extent, i can imagine kids getting c405 shafts and mid/top of the line heads and being fine, but once you start in on the MLL body pads then its just sick.

[smitt5168]

my gloves $70
elbows $30
shoulders $25
helmet $150
stick $140 A LONG POLE.

[shiftylax]

there is a reason that companies pay athletes to endorse their product. It's cheaper than marketing it themselves. that's why all the basketball players coming in to the NBA make all their money off of shoe deals and not their contracts. Sebastian Telfair is making 13 mill from adidas and he hasn't played in one NBA game. Adidas pays him that much because he will be a walking billboard for them. This isn't anything new. that's why it's professional lacrosse, not amateur lacrosse. I agree that warrior overprices all of their equipment. In some cases - kevlar wrap - its worthless to pay that much. In other cases the gear is overshadowed by its fanciness or shininess (That's not a word...). It's funny to compare the companies mindsets toward marketing too. Obviously Warrior emphasises flash over substance. It sells for them, that is their image. Brine and STX just showcase their pedigree, as each claims to be "the first and best" lax company. Debeer caters to a more select market of box and canadian players, but has one of the games legends designing their equipment - which is nearly as "shiny" as Warrior's this year. We all have our likes and dislikes of what each company puts out and what they each do well. i think that it comes down to the retailers to tailor to the spreading of the game. I HAVE seen with my own two eyes store owners outfit beginners with Cpros, and 300 sticks. That's just wrong. I know they're trying to make money, but that kid doesn't need that; and the sport doesn't need greedy *******s either. You want a witch to burn? Set fire to the shady retailers of the lacrosse industry.

[Dan]

i'll probably be starting an online business soon. i just need some cash and the website design skills i'll be learning from my brother. guess what? i probably won't be selling warrior equipment, nor marketing the big and the best on the front page.

what i started out with in my first year:
stx spirit head/shaft
bucket helmet
nasty stx gloves
nasty but awesome old brine arm pads
crappy brine shoulder pads

second year:
cascade
warrior barracuda head/shaft later- brine cyber/al6000 shaft
brine L33's ($14 used)
brine avalanches (my parents bought them because my arm pads that the team gave me sucked so bad) ($35)
crappy shoulder pads-bought older model of x-factors for $50 later on, with money i earned

third year:
brine cyber/f15(got both for christmas, one year after the other) and then a carbon fiber shaft for $10
cascade
brine ventilators-$70 on sale with money i earned
x-factor shoulder pads
avalanche arm pads

later on in third year:
new cyber/db803 shaft
intrepid head/(strung homegrown on an f15 and traded for 803)
brine ventilators
cascade-this one i own, i traded my carbon fiber shaft for it
brine avalanches
brine x-factors

fourth year:
brine cyber/debeer triax pole (anybody want to trade a triton for my cyber? and i'll send some cash, too?)
db803 shaft (anybody want to trade for it? a triton? 803 pole?)
brine triad XP
brine x-factor shoulder pads
brine avalanche arm pads

As you can see, i accumulated all of my good stuff over 4 years. also, i've bought/traded everything except for my arm pads and christmas toys or team supplies. all of my current stuff i bought/traded except for the arm pads.

My Dream Equipment

Brine Triad XP Titanium when it comes out and stripes, too
Brine Spartan Core Shoulder pads
Brine Supercrosse Custom gloves
Brine Supercrosse arm pads OR Ventilator arm pads
Debeer Triton
Debeer 803 Pole/Brine F55 Pole/Brine F22 pole/Harrow Pole

now, i've got some stuff to trade, who wants to trade with me?

Back to the topic. i accumulated stuff over 4 years, and some of my equipment is over 2 years old. i don't blame the kid for having the stuff, i blame the retailers, over-indulgent parents and warrior. and the MLL. but it still drives me nuts that kids get everything they want nowadays. my parents don't buy me stuff anymore. but i don't care, i'd rather purchase my own.

[SharpShooter3]

I just started playing last season. My first stick was an stx octane on an al 6000. I hated it and before the season started, I bout a revo and an f55 with my OWN money. I don't think there is anything wrong with it if I paid for it and NOT my parents. Plus I'd rather just get nice equiptment now, then just keep upgrading to better and better and better and better. It's cheaper to buy nice equiptment that'll last from the beginning.

Waxon I totally agree, I bought my db803 with my own allowance money. My evo was a birthday present. Heck I don't own any one piece of equipment except my Cascade CLH (you have to admit helmats are all pretty expensive) that is over $100, as a matter of fact most of it is under $50.

If some big lacrosse organization doesn't stop this soon you will see 10 year olds with SuperFreaks and a Harrow. And then lacrosse will be so tech based that there will be no need for skill

[CHMiddie]

u guys make good points. but theres something else. when i walk(ed) on the field i dont respect a kid with an al6000 n an entry level head. nowadays u can usually rate who ur playin by lookin at wut kinda stick they got n how broken in their pocket is. i dont believe it would be as discusting (sp?) if the crap companies were makin now wasnt jus that, crap. i mean they make sticks now for appeal, not function, with the exception of a few. post more later, the gfs here

[jazzjon9]

i started with a shotgun when i was like 5, then got a savage when i became serious, and now have a revo, a proton and a phantom. I bought the revo for 50, the proton for 35, both complete. I traded my savage for the phantom. I have an f-15 and am looking at the db-803 if i save up the money. I have some stx vortex gloves, school elbow pads, a c-pro (my mom was being nice), and old hockey chest pads. I spend on sticks, and my parents pay for equip. I want elbow pads, and that's it. I'm one of those kids who sucks, but I have no attitude and know what I'm doing at least. I do know who you're talking about though. There are plenty on my team.

[ATXMacLax]

I can understand wanting good gloves, shaft and head, but shelling out huge $$ for arm pads and chest pads is dumb. I spent 70 on head (including stringing kit), 67 on shaft and 90 on gloves, 24 bucks on chest pad and 10 on arm (bought from a friend, middie converted to goalie so he had no need for arm pads).
Gear kind of works as an intimidation factor at times, people are awed by custon freaks, custom CPX, finalizer and harrow shafts, but you have to have the skills to back it up.

[Alex]

Yeah, I coached an Under-10 team, and they all wanted to get the latest and greatest. For them I would just get a STX Rotor (A damn good entry level head actually) or a STX Sniper (both 30 bucks complete), and string it for them so it would play properly. If they get good enough to warrant a better stick, they can win one at a camp or collect stuff over time and trade it. The thing is, they are taught to love Casey Powell from birth, and simply don't know any better; since lacrosse traditionally has been a rich kids' sport, their parents will splurge for them. Hell Casey himself admits that equipment doesn't matter that much. But, I kind of like using "crappy" equipment to beat the other team just for the effect. It is true that you likely won't respect a dude at first with a 1990 aluminum shaft and a hiwall, but you'll find out soon enough if he's the real deal or not. And the all-star with that stick vs. a one with top of the line products is a hell of a lot cooler in my book.

[Dan]

same here, alex. you put it best. my lengthy explanation had no effect, it seems.

[spenny]

Originally posted by Alex
Yeah, I coached an Under-10 team, and they all wanted to get the latest and greatest. For them I would just get a STX Rotor (A damn good entry level head actually)

and

It is true that you likely won't respect a dude at first with a 1990 aluminum shaft and a hiwall, but you'll find out soon enough if he's the real deal or not. And the all-star with that stick vs. a one with top of the line products is a hell of a lot cooler in my book.

well put, but i cant agree with you on the rotor, too hard ot scoop with. i was working with a bunch of 1st-2nd graders eralier this year and non of the ones with rotors could scoop, i made them take turns using my X2 and they could all scoop.

your last part... spot on. jesse hubbard and mike powell are going to be jesse hubbard and mike powell with whatever stick they are playing with, and that includes tennis raquet strung sams and turbos

[spenny]

Originally posted by waxon
I just started playing last season. My first stick was an stx octane on an al 6000. I hated it and before the season started, I bout a revo and an f55 with my OWN money. I don't think there is anything wrong with it if I paid for it and NOT my parents. Plus I'd rather just get nice equiptment now, then just keep upgrading to better and better and better and better. It's cheaper to buy nice equiptment that'll last from the beginning.

there's nothiing wrong with spending your own money, but dont buy more expensive equipment because you thinkit will last longer, it wont. more expensive equipment will probably last less long. especially warrior. i see more broken warrior sticks than everything else combined.

[spenny]

my last point:
some stuff is wrth the money you spend, helmets for example

some stuff is never worth the money you spend, Ti for example (especially in helmets)

you can get good deals shopping around. my Ti short pole was $25 (with a sonic head) at a closeout store (building 19, for those of you in Ma/RI)

Ti long poles $60 at the laxworld outlet (i bought 3, i should have bought every one they had)

ive gotten stuff at cost when a manufacturer sponsored a team i played for. currently i get a discount at one place because my youth program buys all of its stuff there. look around and you can save money. one thing i did in HS was talk to my teammates and put together a team order. believe me when you order 10 sticks from a place they offer you a discount. if they dont, go somewhere else. it worked when sticks were $35 and there were a half dozen retailers, now theres dozens and sticks cost more than twicwe that.

the bottom line is you can spend less to get the expensive stuff.

[CHMiddie]

Originally posted by spenny
well put, but i cant agree with you on the rotor, too hard ot scoop with. i was working with a bunch of 1st-2nd graders eralier this year and non of the ones with rotors could scoop, i made them take turns using my X2 and they could all scoop.

your last part... spot on. jesse hubbard and mike powell are going to be jesse hubbard and mike powell with whatever stick they are playing with, and that includes tennis raquet strung sams and turbos

it might jus be that they dont have a pocket....that seems to be a given with a rotor

[Longest]

Originally posted by spenny
there's nothiing wrong with spending your own money, but dont buy more expensive equipment because you thinkit will last longer, it wont. more expensive equipment will probably last less long. especially warrior. i see more broken warrior sticks than everything else combined.

I asked a couple different retailers about this trend. He said that he sells 3 times as many Warrior sticks as any other brand so statistically speaking, more Warriors should break, if the same average sticks per company breaks, cuz there's more out there.

Dan

[CHMiddie]

but then again he might jus be sellin em cuz theyre breakin.....ever think o that? i mean warrior makes good heads...theyre jus not durable. which is smart cuz it means theyre gonna break quicker n then ppl will have to buy more.

[smitt5168]

i recently saw a youth kid with an eclipse on a ti with some custom pocket. and know what? he doesn't even play goalie.
he wanted it because he wanted to screw around with it.

speaking of goalie sticks,i recently purchased a zone and an eclipse because i'm going to be playing a lot of goalie. i like both of them and i was wondering which would be better for a first year goalie. a little help please.

[longpole3661]

u guys make me feel mad poor
i got all my stuff from my neighbor (i had to mow his lawn a couple times) but other than that free
I got some brine shoulder pads at least 5 years old by now
a pair of warrior torrnados for gloves
a regular cascade for a helmet
and a proflex c405 d-pole with the rotor(which i bought my self)
everthing was used to cept the rotor

Now i'm the best d-man on my team and i still have all my orginal stuff cept a pair of armpads my coach found at one of our feilds(our cioach works for the rec department)
i got soem iggies on sale for 42 dollars (mvp sports going out of buisness)
and 2 new heads a hype and a wizard

My point is those kids that start out with a harrow and a finalizer piss me off
so does anybody with a prophecy
if u do any searching on the internet at all u'll see that those things suck

[kryptic]

Originally posted by waxon
I just started playing last season. My first stick was an stx octane on an al 6000. I hated it and before the season started, I bout a revo and an f55 with my OWN money. I don't think there is anything wrong with it if I paid for it and NOT my parents. Plus I'd rather just get nice equiptment now, then just keep upgrading to better and better and better and better. It's cheaper to buy nice equiptment that'll last from the beginning.


^^^i cant agree with you more..i started out with a patriot and a AL2000, later in the season i worked for a Matrix and F15, and 3 years later i still play with my F15 (minimal dents) and my Matrix is almost cracked. I have other sticks like the EdgeX (won it at an allstar game), Bionic (cheap, payed for it on my own), and a Blade (payed for it on my own).

[HdGLaxWarrior]

A couple kids on my team are both second year players, and they have:
Stick:Harrow with a Torque (mesh-x)
Gloves: Brine Veltilators
Armpads:MLL 5.0
Helmet: Gait
Shoulderpads: MLL 5.0 or 3.0 I'm not sure

Stick: STX C405 with a bionic (hard mesh)
Gloves:Freaks
Armpads: Some small gait ones
Helmet: Gat
Shoulderpads: STX Glads

Stick: Warrior kryptolyte with a evo (trad)
Gloves: RPM Prostars
Armpads: I dont know
Helmet:Brine XP
Shoulderpads; MLL 5.0

Kids like that really piss me off, and they both arent good.

[Snuffilufigas22]

Originally posted by TheKOB
Or the staff at a lacrosse store loading up an ignorent parent with stuff so expensive most college players don't have it. It definitely goes both ways...that's how I ended up with a STX turbo (loved the head) strung like a girls stick for my first stick.

I have actually found it to be the inverse at my local store. (I hang out there all the time) and they always underload the kids with really crappy equipment. It should be affordable but still worth it, the people there dont seem to fill that obligation to their customer. I cant wait till I get a job there this summer and get paid to do what I would do anyways, hang out there and tell people about the lax equipment.

[smitt5168]

people won't hire me. at decatholon they won't hire me for the head of lax dept. cause i'm 16. the guy that they had before tried to sell me a girls stick. saying it would give me better hold and a faster wrist shot.

[sumSum]

HAHAHA.

I cant work because the only girls lacrosse store is too far away for my mom to drive me until I get my liscense, which wont be until the end of the summer...maybe. Also, I do too much lacrosse stuff and other things in the summer to work.

I wish I could but its just not possible.

[Alex]

Originally posted by raine
same here, alex. you put it best. my lengthy explanation had no effect, it seems.

Hehe, you should know by now that many on these forums have not-so-long of an attention span :P I thought your "equipment evolution" was right on however, it's the way it should be done. I don't know what your experience has been, but I got a ton of stuff for free at camps/contests that I could trade for stuff as well. It looks like the camps today give away less stuff, they have raffles, but when I went (oh so long ago in the mid-late 90s) everybody got a top of the line stick and 1/4 to 1/2 could win another or something equivalent. Needless to say, over time you would accumulate excess, so you could trade for other stuff you needed.

Originally posted by spenny

your last part... spot on. jesse hubbard and mike powell are going to be jesse hubbard and mike powell with whatever stick they are playing with, and that includes tennis raquet strung sams and turbos

Man, spenny where were you a couple of months ago, when I posted the "It doesn't matter" shaft/head :) I had like 4 or 5 people busting my gut for even suggesting this, and I probably wouldn't even be as literal about it as you are. But the fact remains that a well-strung pocket is far more important than the stick itself. I'd even recommend spending cash on good gloves before a stick. As far as the Rotor goes, I do notice that the scoop appears to be not too great, but none of the kids on my team had problems using them, I'll have to experiment myself to see. The Sniper has the dropped scoop which is pretty ground ball friendly.

[stxlcr18]

kids walk around like they are the best because they are rich and can get whatever they want but they dont realize that it doesnt matter what kind of equipment you neeed its how hard you want it and how hard you work to get to where you want

[GCHSLax04]

Heh i started off with a used OZ and an unknown shaft/head combo, just a black stx trad with no offset, i shattered both heads in a week :wtf , went to my local galyans and bought a finalizer with my own money. Yes i am a first year player but i had NO idea that the finalizer was a top of the line head, i picked it out due to the fact that i liked the way it handled compared to what i used before. Its the people that go to the store with their parents and dont look at the equipment when they buy but look at the price tag. I have seen people do this. A kid was playing with a cyber , compltete for 75$. He played for about 15 minutes with it, put it down, walked around picked up a flipgrip ti w/ a procpehcy on it, said mom i want this one and got it... Now thats sick.

[jazzjon9]

at the rattlers game i saw some 4 year old with a finalizer, for what i have no clue. Why their parents force something like that on their kids is beyond me.

[waxon]

I bought my schools gloves and arm pads.

[MontclairLax]

when our team played Ridgewood they all had red c-pros with superfreaks and razers and titanium shafts (im only in 6th grade) and real jerseys. most of our team has ok equipment with the exception of a few. final score
Montclair 10
Ridgewood 2

[RockStar]

Originally posted by Longest
I asked a couple different retailers about this trend. He said that he sells 3 times as many Warrior sticks as any other brand so statistically speaking, more Warriors should break, if the same average sticks per company breaks, cuz there's more out there.

Dan

Good theory, let me shoot it down.

Here, very few buy Warrior, yet I have seen a bunch break in game situations. Certainly more Warrior breakage than STX, DeBeer, and Mohawk, which all sell in higher numbers among box players. Hell, I even broke some poor *******'s Razer with a crisp pass.

Warrior heads perform well for passing and catching, but they're a little overpriced, and not durable enough for MEN to use for playing lacrosse.

To crack the growing boxla market, They should really stop worrying about making their equipment look so shiny, and spend a few cents more on plastic.

[LiLiZaRdPrIdE]

Sort of like monclair said, My whole team has regular cascade helmets and pretty bad heads+shafts. We went to a tournament and all of the teams had cpx's, The most expencive shafts + heads they could find. We ended up winning first in the tourney.


~Somethings i dont mind like i broke 3 shafts before getting my kryptolite. I got it because it was fairly cheap and durable. I got it on sale for 30$ in some small shop down close to my house on there grand opening. I would never spend 100$ more for a krypto pro or any of the titanium shafts.

[unta8]

i get nice stuff, but only when its well priced, for example, i got a new titan pro goalie for 40 bucks, i had to cut it down but oh well.

[broslax16]

i was at the championships today and the only sticks i saw little kids with were razers or finalizers or nitrous or other heads like that, i only saw a couple of kids with beginner level sticks

[pope]

my school team has custom c-pros and old custom ignitors from like 2 years ago, but we do have the skills to back it up, we were 12-4 and 4th in the state last year.

i personally have a lot of stuff such as the custom school cpro, the custom school iggies, a razor, an evo, an x2, a proton, an i-beam, a db c555, a brine flipgrip, ventilator arm pads, supercrosse gloves, the old brine rhinoskin

but with all that stuff i find my self using the "lower-end" equipment. i always come back to my proton or evo on my db c555. got the c555 for 50 at anacondasports.com got the proton for 20 bucks at the local sports store and the evo for christmas. the ventilators i use cuz its all i got, the rhino skin picked it up for 65 i think from great atlantic, and even tho i have supercrosse gloves that I myself bought i still use my ignitors and im in the process of selling my supercrosse in case anyone is looking for a pair.

and u might say that i have a lot of stuff with no skill or wutever but if starting on varsity attack and ending the season with 40 points exactly (20 goals 20 assists) isnt skill then i dunno wut is

BTW this is only my 2nd year playing, first full season. started half way into the season freshman year, and now sophomore year im starting varsity attack. UNC camp did a lot for me last summer, did anyone here go to that camp last year? South Florida is on the rise in lax watch out

[WestSideLa X eR]

Hey, as much as I hate those kids, I never show it. I mean, its thier money towards the sport of lacrosse, thier paying that much not you, so hell, let em pay 300-400 bucks for thier start up equipment.

BUT, the thing that i hope doesnt happen, is the whole mindset behind getting all the fancy sh*t. I dont want lacrosse to turn into some preppy sport that only rich kids play. I dont want lacrosse to turn into some over-franchised billboard sport where everyone has shiny gloves, etc. I mean, i knew warrior really sunk low when they said they'd come out with the "mac daddy's".
For all the coaches, experianced players out thier, you guys should help out the beginners and get them into the real behind lacrosse. Thats why coaches are so important.

Also, ive noticed that as people get better, the "worse" equipment they seem to get. Now i only see titanium and finalizers on the younger kids on the team, and the better players use x2's, protons and l33's.

[pope]

Originally posted by WestSideLa X eR
Also, ive noticed that as people get better, the "worse" equipment they seem to get. Now i only see titanium and finalizers on the younger kids on the team, and the better players use x2's, protons and l33's.

exactly wut im saying im one of the better players on my team and keep coming back to the proton and evo, and if u say the evo is warrior and flashy and sh!t think about it, it costs just as much as the proton does and it is one of warriors lower end heads

and as far as coaches go, my coach does not stand show boating at all. my coach played for St. Johns back decades ago when they were a national powerhouse where he earned all america honors. last year when our all-american attackman tried to take the number 1 as his number coach made him change to number 4 becuz he thought that 1 was symbolizing him thinking he was the best.

[Dan]

good coach. i hate the kids that just take the ball all around the cage, won't pass it, and try to hang on throughout. that's why we didn't beat Jordan in the quarterfinals, because kids would be selfish with the ball.

for some reason i keep coming back to my cyber. my next head is going to be a triton. guess what? none of these are the percevied "top of the line" head anymore. the cyber was top of the line three years ago, which i didn't even know until i got one for christmas. turns out i was getting top of the line equipment without even knowing it, i just thought it was a great head. that was back when i didn't hate warrior. in fact, that was when i wanted an evo. the evo is a good head.

i like having the new stuff when it comes to helmets and gloves, but shafts are best when they have been tinkered on by a company for a few years. look at the f15. warrior just screws shafts up, though. some companies make a product better with time, which is why i love brine. they take what's broken and fix it. the next-year model is always better. look at the supercrosse, the matrix, and most likely the edge-x and the triad next year will have improved. the reason i bought a triad was because A. I love brine B. Cascade is becoming pompous like warrior C. It was an excellent helmet, and i wanted a new helmet and didn't want to follow the crowd.

i love traditionalists. you guys keep this game together, kind of like the 2-year cycle for the house of representatives. it's some stability. now, i'm one of those children that loves the new thing and wants it a lot. that's why i'm pursuing industrial design, so that i can develop new products. i've wanted that since i was a little kid. but my child WILL NOT be using top of the line products. he'll start like everybody else. it wouldn't be fair to him.

[jazzjon9]

A good point is made when people say "they keep on coming back to lower end stuff" It shows that they have preferences, and didn't buy it just for looks and price. STX and debeer have to step it up though, cause I don't love brine and I can't stand warrior, if they run the lax world, it's gonna be a huge prep sport.

[hankooklax]

Well it seems that everyone has an opinion on the topic and personally i think its great!!

Its nice to know that other kids started on the oz too. At one point i had three, but as time passed i acquired a cyber, revo, intrepid, AV8, eclipse, and edge plus. It seems like only yesterday that i had my oz's.

But i have to say that i cant necessarily denounce getting nice equipment. Granted I think its totally sick for some kid to get super-good equipment when starting out, but i think it would have been nice to start out with a cyber or edge.

Anyways i think that all expensive sticks are not necessarily bad sticks. I think that the razer and torque are great sticks, but i just dont want to spend the money on them. I'm a pretty simple guy so i dont really care about what i have so long as it doesnt smell and it plays nicely.

Plus, if you're a box player or a stick guru like me, you can transform some of the lower end sticks into a nice high-end look-a-like. For instance, i transformed my AV8 into a profile twin, and although it is not as light, the dimensions are similar enough for comparison.

Whatever your opinion is, you know that its never the equipment that defines the player but the energy and work they put into their game

[RockStar]

Originally posted by raine
good coach. i hate the kids that just take the ball all around the cage, won't pass it, and try to hang on throughout. that's why we didn't beat Jordan in the quarterfinals, because kids would be selfish with the ball.

.....

Have 'em play box in the winter. Selfishness ends when you learn that game!

[Dan]

no, this kid would still try and be sefish. and yeah, we do have a fall box league, even in Utah. i can't believe how annoying this kid is. at least we're getting an attackman from australia who used to live in utah that played pro box there. he will probably be our best player. plus, we already have two other really good attackmen, we just didn't have a third.

[Twist]

what about the kids who have the newest equip, and spend more time on the wall?

the best of both worlds, and envy of most.

[LiLiZaRdPrIdE]

Well my neighbor is like 5 years old and he's walking around with a krypto pro and nitrous. Its not even like hes good. He rang my doorbell and sais "Look at my new"TheCross"stick" The next day he comes home with a cpx and all the newest pads. I thought i was gunn wet my self. He doesnt even play in a league and he has all this equiptment that ive never seen him use.

[seanr9ne]

LOOK AT IT THIS WAY..........

THE MORE MONEY THEY SPEND......THE MORE IT HELPS LACROSSE


SOOO LET EM SPEND THE MONEY IF THEY HAVE IT

NOT DOING ANYTHING BUT PROMOTING THE SPORT

[Dan]

good ol' sean, spreading logic. yeah, but what we don't like are the uber indulgent parents. they drive me nuts.

[seanr9ne]

true...ive spent a lot of money on lacrosse.......key word though I!!!!!

yea i hate spoiled kids...my parents only pay for the leagues...

[enjoi]

Originally posted by jazzjon9
A good point is made when people say "they keep on coming back to lower end stuff" It shows that they have preferences, and didn't buy it just for looks and price. STX and debeer have to step it up though, cause I don't love brine and I can't stand warrior, if they run the lax world, it's gonna be a huge prep sport.

Uh.....

Okay so Brine/Warrior = inclusion of preppy people....

If you could show me the statistics of your reasearch, but until then...

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Anyways, I have never had a problem with warrior. They have always made high quality opinon, my revo broke after 4 years of heavy abuse. A nitrous i bought, then sold, broke 3 weeks after the date of purchase, An X2 i had bent first week i got it(sold that off as well)...

[SharpShooter3]

Hey listen for all of you guys trying to defend all of the equipment you own don't, this thread isn't about guys like us owning this equipment, it's about the 5 year olds that own it.

[Dan]

good ol' sharpshooter. yeah, revos are pretty solid heads. i have to admit. still, sometimes there is a defective head in a batch.

[seanr9ne]

i think its more about spoiled *** kids......

i wouldnt really mind if some prodigy lacrosse player sported 600 dollars worth of gear because he earned it.....but yea little kids who havent played yet that get thier parents to buy them all the good stuff is just retarded

[jazzjon9]

yea, I have a revo as my game stick, I'm just saying I dislike them as a company, but they do make good products. And I haven't done any research on it (I have a life), but they overcharge, and seem like they are taking over the lax world. I have heard "don't get a brine nitrous, warrior is cooler" on occasion, and that is very preppy