Victoria dominating lacrosse,

[piperlax]

Victoria has destoryed the rest of australia in the under 19 chamiponships the last two years, in both years vic's won the final by over 10 goals, and have not dropped a game since the u/19 comp started up again last year. The two u/17 teams nights and titans have placed 2nd and 3rd the last two years in a row also. With the likes of Hyde, Neman, lawerson, robinson, tomisino, chamberlian, johnson and ham(all played vic 19s and 5 of them made all star selection) coming up through the ranks and sure to play ALL in the near future, i see Victoria to continue being the dominate force in australian lacrosse. your thoughts?

[wittyno12]

Victoria has destoryed the rest of australia in the under 19 chamiponships the last two years, in both years vic's won the final by over 10 goals, and have not dropped a game since the u/19 comp started up again last year. The two u/17 teams nights and titans have placed 2nd and 3rd the last two years in a row also. With the likes of Hyde, Neman, lawerson, robinson, tomisino, chamberlian, johnson and ham(all played vic 19s and 5 of them made all star selection) coming up through the ranks and sure to play ALL in the near future, i see Victoria to continue being the dominate force in australian lacrosse. your thoughts?

Firstly i played in sa u19s the last 2 years in the grand finals and last year the score was 13-7 so it wasnt an 10 goal win and this year victoria beat us 9-8 in a round game after we were winning 8-7 with 1 minute left ben newman was the only guy would win it for them..unfortunately we put ina poor performance in the grand final. Victoria are the stand out state in lacrosse at the moment but ofcourse that is gonna be the case when they have 3 times the amount of players as us in sa and wa. 4 south australians made the u19 all star team and 2 of them are still eligibale to play next year and our south australia team this year was a VERY young team. Hopefully out ALL team can prove its worth witha fully fit Peter Inge this year....

[cannon]

This years ALL will tell us nothing about the strength of each state as i dont see any of the Aussie players bothering to fork out another 1500 dollars to play.

The ALL should be scrapped in World Games years, or held before the team leaves. It would be better if they held a Club Champions tournament consisting of the top teams from each state and maybe held over a long weekend in October or something.

[piperlax]

very true witty, but in the game when you only lost by a goal to us we let you waste 5mins everytime you had the ball in your half, rick didn't want to show anything in that game, as for the final you didn't play poorly, you played as good as we let you. but fantastic effort for such a young team and theres no doubt that you boys have the potentiel to win next year with little difficulty. cheers

[aussielax]

Victoria has a big advantage over all the other states as we have a larger comp and much more depth so it's only naturual we will produce more high quality players. This is not to say that SA and WA shouldnt be able to compete as there are many more varibles that determine if the team wins or not.

And for the ALL this season i think it will still be good, Some new players should get in the mix and make a name for themself at this level as many established players are not going to try out. So i think it would be good to see some younger new guys play on the top level in Aus.

[thunder_15]

WA had 14 ppl. how would u expect them to go. hell one of the kids was only 15. i recon give them a full strength team and i bet it ll be different. oh yeah and with other grades in under 15s thunder have come first i think its 4 times in a row (1 year they came second to US all stars) and alot of the time braves havnt been to far away. play 17s this yr thunder dominated. i wouldnt really say that victoria is dominating aussie lacrosse at all. maybe in seniors but wait a couple of yrs....

[Veno89]

WA had 14 ppl. how would u expect them to go. hell one of the kids was only 15. i recon give them a full strength team and i bet it ll be different. oh yeah and with other grades in under 15s thunder have come first i think its 4 times in a row (1 year they came second to US all stars) and alot of the time braves havnt been to far away. play 17s this yr thunder dominated. i wouldnt really say that victoria is dominating aussie lacrosse at all. maybe in seniors but wait a couple of yrs....

Yeh thats true WA had a weak team this year, i noticed they were missing a few ppl, such as adam sear, and they didnt have any u17s players wich would of made it hard. South australia had a very young inexperienced team wich most of them are still in under 17's and a few just came up from 15's, but u got to admit they played very well for the team they have and within the next few years they will be winning the u19's championships, theres a lot of talent there

[endoftheline]

I'm not sure how reliable this is but the impression i got was that the vic team were not so much struggling for numbers but they wanted more people to try out as they didn't think they had enough. Victoria has a lot of strong players coming through in under 17's aswell Jason Piccolotto, Angus Cameron, Patrick McGrath-Cambpell, Steve Mundell, Anthony Rodriguez, Angus Weaving, Zephyr Corr, Hugo Langmaid, Brad Spalding, Ben Mogford, Tom Shakespeare, Chris Plumb, Dave Oliverio, Michael Pendock too name a few those are mainly second years so there's no lack of talent here.

[aussielax]

Zephyr Corr

HAHA, at the risk of starting a flaming war i won't say anything about Zephyr being a "quality" player.

[bluedevil49]

It would be better if they held a Club Champions tournament consisting of the top teams from each state and maybe held over a long weekend in October or something.
Had the same conversation with Tim Fry last week.

I would guess that this is the last year of the ALL. It doesn't really appear to be working. Most players also preferred the week long tournament.

[relaxme]

Here is something to think about. It will only cost you 10 bucks in phone calls and 8 weeks in the spring. After your regular season do you guys want to keep playing lacrosse? What I mean is are you looking for some close competition and some fun?

Ok here it is. Call your local high schools [10 bucks worth of calls] to see if they will allow you to use any of their grounds in the months of late September-October-early November. You need to have a 6-8 week season playing twice a week.

Pick as many competitive teams as you possibly can. Throw everyone's name who wants to play into a hat [big one] and make-up teams of 19 players. One veteran defender two juniors, one veteran attack two juniors midfields same mixture if you can. Two or three goalies.

Consider this, all the junior state and international kids could play along side current world players and gain their fresh experience from 2006. What better way to help our kids. All kids should be encouraged to play in this fun league.

Here's the deal. This will be a pick-up league, no governing body, no one to answer to except the players. Make your own rules, or copy NCAA rules. Have the teams as even as possible, you want to play good close competition. You want DOT games and OT games, no blow outs. Ask coaches from all levels to participate, try to have at least three-four coaches so they can concentrate on small groups and one guy to run the show. One head, three assistants does not matter who is who. Just do it. This will give coaches and hands-off hands-on experience and enable them to work with different mind sets and allow some new guys to try their talent as coaches.

It's all about learning, not egos. I learnt not to have one [ego].

Remember, there are no sheep stations up for grabs just lacrosse played at the speed and level of competition that you need.


By playing at local high schools you would have a better chance of getting grounds to play on and maybe some recruits for next year and respective clubs.

You guys must be still hungry after 2006 worlds and what better way to keep the flame going and to pass on valuable input and information to your successors and future team mates by having a pick up league. Obviously you could involve SA in the mix, WA might be too far and too expensive. But try them on.

Hey practice your shooting %, make that a rule of some description.

[worldwidelax]

for one that is a great idea, but will never come free. No grounds are available without public liability and professional indemnity insurance which will incur greater costs. All schools will also charge for use of their facilities. The idea works but needs more than 4 people to drive the competition hard.

and i cant see too many croweaters driving over 8 hours to play a semi social lax game every weekend for 8 weeks.

the opportunities in aussie lax lie in coach and player development through summer camps, and summer comps as above, but unfortuantly the administration and boards at both state and national level lack the vision and skills to put these together - without placing a vested a interested for a free travel junket for themselves in there as well

[endoftheline]

HAHA, at the risk of starting a flaming war i won't say anything about Zephyr being a "quality" player.
I think he warrants a mention i wasn't saying all those players are going to play aus or even play vic they are just some of the better under 17 players or under 17 players with most potential at the moment. I know it's not the comprehensive list and that the other states also have many good players.

[Minotaur]

I'm not sure how reliable this is but the impression i got was that the vic team were not so much struggling for numbers but they wanted more people to try out as they didn't think they had enough. Victoria has a lot of strong players coming through in under 17's aswell Jason Piccolotto, Angus Cameron, Patrick McGrath-Cambpell, Steve Mundell, Anthony Rodriguez, Angus Weaving, Zephyr Corr, Hugo Langmaid, Brad Spalding, Ben Mogford, Tom Shakespeare, Chris Plumb, Dave Oliverio, Michael Pendock too name a few those are mainly second years so there's no lack of talent here.


Gee guys...no mention of Luke Andrewartha and Josh O'Neal with those kids mentioned above??? Sorry, have to get back to planet earth!

[endoftheline]

i was going to put luke but i didn't know his sir name so i was wondering if it was a different luke and yeh josh is wortha mention aswell.

[eagles]

Victoria has destoryed the rest of australia in the under 19 chamiponships the last two years, in both years vic's won the final by over 10 goals, and have not dropped a game since the u/19 comp started up again last year. The two u/17 teams nights and titans have placed 2nd and 3rd the last two years in a row also. With the likes of Hyde, Neman, lawerson, robinson, tomisino, chamberlian, johnson and ham(all played vic 19s and 5 of them made all star selection) coming up through the ranks and sure to play ALL in the near future, i see Victoria to continue being the dominate force in australian lacrosse. your thoughts?

I wouldn't say destroyed the rest of Australia the last 2 years as they beat WA by 2 last year after a shock loss to SA in the first game! Give SA credit they played well, stuck to their game and executed down the stretch and they deserved their win, but lets see who wins the championship next year with different coaches and a more disciplined team...

[12345]

Not wanting to sound like I'm taking anything away from Vic's U19s win this year, which I'm not (I was on the WA team), it was pretty obvious all the states' preparation was hindered by the World Games, with all the people at the top either preoccupied with or actually traveling to Canada (and hence not able to help out with the juniors). That meant the states were fielding below full strength teams. The argument in North America right now is that while Canada's 1st team beat the US, the Yanks' second string team would probably run rings around Canada's, because of their depth of talent. That is what we saw in Adelaide this year; Victoria had far too much depth and were way too good, but it might be a different story next year when hopefully all the states will be full strength.

[hagrid]

this is true, i guess in your case you're thinking of adam sear? we didn't have our shane gilbert either, but in the end of the day what happens happens. it was a fun tournament.

[relaxme]

for one that is a great idea, but will never come free. No grounds are available without public liability and professional indemnity insurance which will incur greater costs. All schools will also charge for use of their facilities. The idea works but needs more than 4 people to drive the competition hard.

and i cant see too many croweaters driving over 8 hours to play a semi social lax game every weekend for 8 weeks.

the opportunities in aussie lax lie in coach and player development through summer camps, and summer comps as above, but unfortuantly the administration and boards at both state and national level lack the vision and skills to put these together - without placing a vested a interested for a free travel junket for themselves in there as well
have you called any schools to see if it is possible to use their grounds? what did they say? did you call insurance companies to get quotes? what did they say? how much was it? as far as driving for 8 hours from SA, how about 4 hours meet half way, introduce lacrosse to rual victoria/sa.....

also, as far as camps and coaches go, there are limited good coaches in australia therefore try to introduce as many caoches to the coaching scene as possible via a spring league. the more coaches you have coaching under tight situations the better they will become....you can't get competitive coaching via camps, or can you? finally, you don' need to include the existing govenrning lacrosse establishment, it has no vision as far as i am aware...go it alone

[worldwidelax]

your thoughts whilst assionate are still a little off the mark. having been in administration for some time, yes i rang schools, yes they need insurance and yes it is very cost prohibitive. hence the benefit of getting the support of the state association as they have the insurance already in place.

And i cant see too many individuals willing to step up and be introduced to coaching through a summer league with semi elite players. hence grow their confidence through coaching juniors and through camps which is a controlled environment where there is a greater opportunity for them to receive feeddback from other more experienced and senior coaches. and with players that are more willing to listen to than experienced seniors and cocky up an coming juniors

[thunder_15]

i recon those 2 ppl ^ r the same ppl cause they joined at teh same time and have only talked about that thing on this thread which has not much to do with wat the topic is about. just a theory