CA lacrosse

[LAX_Conejo]

Jesuit High School Middie. Anyones school play club. Because next year our varsity team is goin 2 own. We will be Hella good.

Jesuit - Sacramento??? You might get to own the Sac area but not the Bay Area or Southern Ca

Club Ranking

1 Oak Park
2 West Valley
3 Woodbridge
4 Westlake
5 Chico Red
6 Granite Bay
7 Palo Alto (THLC)
8 Great Oak/Temecula
9 Agoura
10 Chico Grey

And both West Valley's and Woodbridge's last loses were to Oak Park. You need to first beat your area before you can make those claims

[LAX_Conejo]

:bartmoon:

[NorCal36]

R varsity team this year is all juniors and sophmores, plus are goalie broke his leg. Next year we will be pretty good, and r team will be just as big as everyone else.

[LAX_Conejo]

SCLA Scores for today????

[vivalaSAM]

Yesterday's scores...

CA Avalon-Catalina 11, Los Alamitos 9
CA Corona Del Mar 13, Malibu 3
CA Dana Hills 11, Northwood/Irvine 0
CA Downey 7, Santa Margarita 2
CA Foothill-Santa Ana 10, Monte Vista/Danville 4
CA Great Oak/Temecula 18, University Irvine 1
CA Harvard-Westlake 13, Chaminade Prep 8
CA J Serra Catholic 13, Oaks Christian 3
CA La Costa Canyon 8, Piedmont 4
CA Loyola-Los Angeles 11, Crespi 5
CA Palos Verdes 12, Cate School 7
CA Rancho Cotati 6, Mendocino 5 (OT)
CA West Valley 17, Santa Rosa 3
CA Woodbridge 14, La Quinta 1

[cali feeder]

Jesuit High School Middie. Anyones school play club. Because next year our varsity team is goin 2 own. We will be Hella good.

I doubt you would "own" against us. Not to be cocky...but, as Lax_Conejo said, you gotta dominate your area first.

Anyways, me and another varsity kid played JV today, and I had two of our three goals (one with a longpole), and he had our other. One of mine was assisted from him, and my other one and his were unassisted.

Makes you wonder what would have happened if we weren't there :wow: . I caught the last end of the Agoura v. TO game, and Agoura won 9-2, with their starters in the whole game. TO stepped it up pretty well, and I think it caught Agoura off guard.

[vivalaSAM]

Not only that, but the ratings speak for themselves (even if they're not infallible). Jesuit isn't going to suddenly jump from #25 in CA club to the top in one year.

[PlayOn]

how exactly do you get into reffing?I know we are short refs in the valley area in particular, but what are the requirements? Sounds like a good way to give back and help out a little.

check your PM

[westlakelax17]

Westlake-9
Calabassas-6

Wow this game was ugly not only in a performance aspect but in a sportsmanship too. there was so much trash talking and little fights it was just dumb. with 9 seconds left in the game the ref threw a total of 12 penalties on calabassas. On of our guys go so mad at them that he took himself out of the game so he wouldn't fight them. we can beat so many teams, but the motivation in us just goes away after the 2nd quarter. I'm not trying to blame the offense for anything, but we come out as gang bangers in the beginning of every game and then after 2 quarters we rely on the goals that we usually put in to keep us in a winning state, and that puts a lot of pressure on the defense so then we don't lose. So what I am trying to say is we have a lot of work to do in a short period of time.

[tomtom]

Sounds like an all around unpleasant game. Props to the guy who pulled himself from the game though, that takes a lot of self control.

[westlakelax17]

Sounds like an all around unpleasant game. Props to the guy who pulled himself from the game though, that takes a lot of self control.


yea it was. The guy who pull him self out was # 3.

[cali feeder]

TWELVE PENALTIES ON CALABASAS?!?!?! My goodness. What sparked that?

[westlakelax17]

TWELVE PENALTIES ON CALABASAS?!?!?! My goodness. What sparked that?


Well, one of their players got a slash penalty[1] then he got mad and almost started to fight one of our guys[2] then a couple of his teammates started to yell and such and push[3] then he said "f**k you" to the ref and then called her homosexual under his breath and then grabbed his "jock strap area" lol[4]. After he got off the field he started to rip off his pads and bang on the bench with his stick and started yelling and then she gave him and their bench the rest of the penalties[5-8]. The ref ran out of flags so she started throwing her hat. I thought she was going to end up taking all of her clothes off [for flags] because of so many penalties.lol I think calabasas just got fed up because they were playing very aggressive and got a lot of penalties for that. I was talking to the defense and the calabasas attachmen and they thought it was dumb too.

[tomtom]

Yeah calabasas has played with a lot of rage this year. Our first game against them they were getting really mad towards the end, Im thinking they were irritated that they werent able to blow us out of the water like they were expecting. Same happened our second game, they came out OK but got madder as the game went on.

[laxiceman]

Jesuit High School Middie. Anyones school play club. Because next year our varsity team is goin 2 own. We will be Hella good.

You on JV this year?

You guys still have to go through Davis. I believe the JV scores were 15 to 6 and the Varsity scores were 11 to 5. Both Davis wins.

[cali feeder]

Well, one of their players got a slash penalty[1] then he got mad and almost started to fight one of our guys[2] then a couple of his teammates started to yell and such and push[3] then he said "f**k you" to the ref and then called her homosexual under his breath and then grabbed his "jock strap area" lol[4]. After he got off the field he started to rip off his pads and bang on the bench with his stick and started yelling and then she gave him and their bench the rest of the penalties[5-8]. The ref ran out of flags so she started throwing her hat. I thought she was going to end up taking all of her clothes off [for flags] because of so many penalties.lol I think calabasas just got fed up because they were playing very aggressive and got a lot of penalties for that. I was talking to the defense and the calabasas attachmen and they thought it was dumb too.

Wow. I wish I was there to see it :lol: ! I'm sure there will be some discussion at the next SCLA meeting on the topic of player misconduct; it seems theres been A LOT this season. Not to point any fingers either, but it always seems to happen with at least one of the same refs. I'm sure that will be brought up as well.

Something definetly needs to be done about the overall behavior of players, and in some instances, fans (was anyone there to see the fight one of our guys got into with a TO mom after hitting a behind the back shot, because she thought he was "showing off"?). It really brings down the overally image of our league, and REALLY bugs the crap out of me when fans/players argue a call that while it may have seemed wrong, if they knew anything about the game they would realize its right.

I think all blossoming lacrosse leagues go through a period like this, and it does need to be dealt with, and I think Mr. Camoratta and the rest of the staff will do their best to resolve it. Until then (I'm addressing everyone including myself), play nice; if you don't like a call, politely ask the official what the reasoning was, and move on. Lacrosse is about playing defense, passing and scoring; not seeing who can make the ref overturn a call.

End conduct rant.

[tomtom]

Wow. I wish I was there to see it :lol: ! I'm sure there will be some discussion at the next SCLA meeting on the topic of player misconduct; it seems theres been A LOT this season. Not to point any fingers either, but it always seems to happen with at least one of the same refs. I'm sure that will be brought up as well.

Something definetly needs to be done about the overall behavior of players, and in some instances, fans (was anyone there to see the fight one of our guys got into with a TO mom after hitting a behind the back shot, because she thought he was "showing off"?). It really brings down the overally image of our league, and REALLY bugs the crap out of me when fans/players argue a call that while it may have seemed wrong, if they knew anything about the game they would realize its right.

I think all blossoming lacrosse leagues go through a period like this, and it does need to be dealt with, and I think Mr. Camoratta and the rest of the staff will do their best to resolve it. Until then (I'm addressing everyone including myself), play nice; if you don't like a call, politely ask the official what the reasoning was, and move on. Lacrosse is about playing defense, passing and scoring; not seeing who can make the ref overturn a call.

End conduct rant.

Well said, especially the highlighted part. There've been cases of misconduct on all teams this season, and I truly think the players(especially Jrs and srs) hurt their chances of playing college ball when they do that. It makes the whole league look like an undisciplined, non serious series of pickup games, and thus the players themselves look worse. I know a lot of the teams in the league hope to go CIF in the future, I've even heard talk(true or not Im not sure) about OP going CIF as soon as 2008 or 2009. But if conduct of this poor caliber keeps up throughout the league, schools will not be sponsoring teams any time soon.

Short side story: I'm at the wall today, trying out a monster of a pocket(i mean that in the frankenstein-experiment-gone-wrong sense more than the -this-pocket-is-a-beast-yeahhh! sense), when two teammates, sitting nearby, start shouting obscenities at a couple girls who were there for a swim meet. Another teammate says, "you know, I now realize why the school hates lacrosse". Do I like those two kids? Not at all. Are they a good representative of the other players on our team? Of course not, they're the exception. Do they represent the team, the league, even the sport in general? You bet they do. Every player represents his team and this league. And if you think having 9 outstanding student athletes who play every game with class and sportsmanship on the field will draw attention over the one guy who has to run his mouth, make obscene gestures, and pick fights, then you'd better get in touch with reality. To quote Chris Mathews on politicians(I was reading his book, Hardball, earlier today, great read if youre into politics) "A politician can work to get a contributer's daughter into a good school, but that's not what he remembers...he remembers how he didnt help with the other child..."

People are going to pick up on the negatives of our teams, league, and sport much quicker than they will the positives(see Duke rape allegations). It is the responsibility of each and every player, both on the field and IMHO, off the field to keep our reputations clean and to be able to say "I play lacrosse" with out immediate scorn from school administrators, classmates, teachers, or anybody else around us. So for the sake of our league and whats left of our teams' good reputations, lets all wisen up and play the game respectfully.

/end conduct rant addon

[LAX_Conejo]

I know a lot of the teams in the league hope to go CIF in the future, I've even heard talk(true or not Im not sure) about OP going CIF as soon as 2008 or 2009.

That was quick for that rumor

[3rdPersonPlural]

..... it always seems to happen with at least one of the same refs. I'm sure that will be brought up as well.

SCLA cain't do nutin' about the refs. We have a limited pool and it's up to the assigner to determine who gets what games. Mostly it's availability. PM me if you want some insight into the ref you're mentioning.


Something definetly needs to be done about the overall behavior of players, and in some instances, fans (was anyone there to see the fight one of our guys got into with a TO mom after hitting a behind the back shot, because she thought he was "showing off"?).

Hrrrumph! I've worked every team but Westlake in the SCLA, and I don't get conduct issues. I make it abundantly clear that I'm a 'respect the game' ref and even Calabasas would behave properly under that edict if their coach weren't such a problem child. The kids love to play and most of them are darned good at it. All we officials need to do is to set a reasonable and fair envelope that the kids and coaches can recognize, and the game unfolds with few infractions.

It really brings down the overall image of our league, and REALLY bugs the crap out of me when fans/players argue a call that while it may have seemed wrong, if they knew anything about the game they would realize its right.

The ONLY game played in the SCLA so far that MIGHT have been affected by the officials was that overtime game between Westlake and SB. It wasn't, but I note that game as the only game that the outcome was vulnerable to referee input.

What bugs me is when some coaches (a pretty limited pool....) can be overheard telling their player who has just been sent to time out for an egregious infraction that it was a 'bad call' and to 'keep up the intensity'.

This creates an 'us versus them (which includes the refs)' attitude and this is not conducive to a happy game of lax. Or happy players or parents.

I'd flag that overheard dialogue as a conduct foul except that team is usually losing by 5 or more by the time the frustration penalties start flying, so I feel like I'm piling on if I do that.

I think all blossoming lacrosse leagues go through a period like this, and it does need to be dealt with, and I think Mr. Camoratta and the rest of the staff will do their best to resolve it. Until then (I'm addressing everyone including myself), play nice; if you don't like a call, politely ask the official what the reasoning was, and move on. Lacrosse is about playing defense, passing and scoring; not seeing who can make the ref overturn a call.

Refs don't overturn calls. They DO assess USC penalties on folks who seem to misunderstand this little gem.



End conduct rant.[/QUOTE]

[cali feeder]

Hrrrumph! I've worked every team but Westlake in the SCLA, and I don't get conduct issues. I make it abundantly clear that I'm a 'respect the game' ref and even Calabasas would behave properly under that edict if their coach weren't such a problem child. The kids love to play and most of them are darned good at it. All we officials need to do is to set a reasonable and fair envelope that the kids and coaches can recognize, and the game unfolds with few infractions. YOU don't get conduct issues. During almost every single one of our games, theres been at least 2 - 3 USC penalties on players from both teams. You seem to, right off the bat, instill a good attitude about the game, and that really helps. But trust me, theres a LOT that goes on.

What bugs me is when some coaches (a pretty limited pool....) can be overheard telling their player who has just been sent to time out for an egregious infraction that it was a 'bad call' and to 'keep up the intensity'.

This creates an 'us versus them (which includes the refs)' attitude and this is not conducive to a happy game of lax. Or happy players or parents. True. It does also come down to coach influence, I've witnessed it with almost every coach I've ever played with.

Refs don't overturn calls. Unfortunately, many players/coaches/fans don't seem to be able to get that through their head.

[socalax]

Hrrrumph! I've worked every team but Westlake in the SCLA, and I don't get conduct issues. [/QUOTE]
Don't worry, we are clean. (Most of the time)

[3rdPersonPlural]

Don't worry, we are clean. (Most of the time)

I trust that you are Westlake? Your JV team is a bunch of wonderful kids, and your coach is a delightful handful - sort of like a toddler who demands a lot of attention but is charming whilst doing so.

[hanuman]

Friday night game Torrey Pines - 8, Southside (NY, Class B) - 3

it wasn't really that close. can't figure out how the NY team beat a team like cherry creek

[cali feeder]

Friday night game Torrey Pines - 8, Southside (NY, Class B) - 3

it wasn't really that close. can't figure out how the NY team beat a team like cherry creek

Well they BARELY beat Cherry Creek. But props the fellows down at Torrey Pines for sticking it to the east coast. Good job.

[3rdPersonPlural]

YOU don't get conduct issues. During almost every single one of our games, theres been at least 2 - 3 USC penalties on players from both teams. You seem to, right off the bat, instill a good attitude about the game, and that really helps.

I really appreciate that. That's the nicest thing anybody has said to me in a while. My operating model is Play Hard + Have Fun = Respect the Game, or perhaps Play Hard + Respect the Game = Have Fun. To be honest, I mostly flag folks who have caused me to wrinkle my purist nose at their execution


But trust me, theres a LOT that goes on.

I see it. I hear it. The game is a high energy emotional endeavor, and you don't violate my sensibilities by getting fired up.

I flag when this energy gets ugly, though.





Unfortunately, many players/coaches/fans don't seem to be able to get that through their head.

I'm on the bench side and trailing a clear. a scrum happens right at the midfield line and all I see is butts as the ball scoots out of bounds right at the scorer's table. I have no blessed clue as to who to award the ball to, even though I had sprinted to as close as I could to the scrum.

No worries. The coaches know. I ask Seth if he saw who touched it last. He didn't. I ask Mario. He is confident that it went out on the longpole.

Color?

'Longpole was Blue' Seth's team.

"White Ball!" I declare, as if it was my idea all along. Seth starts shouting for his LSM and Mario starts directing his middie to secure the ball.

If a coach is willing to make me look bad and establish himself as venal and duplicitous, so be it. Most SCLA coaches are not willing to disrespect the game that way. Next year all will be that way.

BTW, next week (or so) I'm officiating OP vs. my beloved SB. I have secured a Therapist to help me through this one.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Friday night game Torrey Pines - 8, Southside (NY, Class B) - 3

it wasn't really that close. can't figure out how the NY team beat a team like cherry creek

I think that we've established that CA lacrosse is not yet ready to challenge top 5 programs, but our best teams can compete with and often beat top decile teams in hotbed regions.

This is a very real accomplishment. Props to TP.

[hanuman]

Well they BARELY beat Cherry Creek. But props the fellows down at Torrey Pines for sticking it to the east coast. Good job.
yeah, but cherry creek is the ONLY team the southside team has beaten so far. go figure. i'm sure southside is a good team who has a tough schedule. but, they really had little or no offense vs torrey. other than a couple of emo scores, the really only had one offensive play that worked for a score--faked a pick at x and ran around for a tight crease shot. torrey's goalie had a really nice game. the final score notwithstanding, the southside goalie had some highlight saves as well. he stopped at least three point blank shots on fast breaks.

we'll see how they fare vs la costa canyon later this week. hope their spring break is going well other-wise

[hanuman]

well, Torrey lost a big chance to move up in rankings tonight. Southside (NY), the same NY team Torrey beat so easily earlier this week, tonight beat La Costa Canyon 13-2. I was just about to post on how this really set up next week's big games against Mercer Island and St. Ignatius. But, when I checked to see how Torrey did tonight, they lost to Bishop's HS, a local program with a 3-3 record. maybe they were looking ahead. Bishop's has some really good coaches but their program has not typically been considered to be on a par with Torrey's.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Worse, Hanuman, Bishops lost to a middle grade team from Tennessee early in their season and got taken apart in a series of scrimmages against teams from other outlying lax areas in preseason.

That loss for TP lowers CA as a national presense across the board - at least in computerized LaxPower ratings.....

[akahector]

Yesterday's scores...

CA Avalon-Catalina 11, Los Alamitos 9



Oh God. That sucked. We were outscored in the first half 9-2, then went on a 7-2 scoring run in the second half but there just wasn't enough time on the clock to get those last 2 goals. We couldn't find a way to score on man up, 2 man up, and even 3 man up! Frustrating.

[OPlax31]

No way Catalina has a lacrosse team. It would be pretty sick to go out there to play a game. are they club or cif

[westlakelax17]

No way Catalina has a lacrosse team. It would be pretty sick to go out there to play a game. are they club or cif



Hey Grayson...whats up man, its Alec.

[pipster12]

I play for Beckman in orange county. #12. defense. Were undefeated in league and were going to own in the playoffs

[akahector]

No way Catalina has a lacrosse team. It would be pretty sick to go out there to play a game. are they club or cif

CIF, I think. But going out there was great, except for the losing part. Oh and everything is more expensive there.

Their home field is really short, nowhere near regulation.

I don't think they're really supposed to be in our league (Sunset, CIF-SS), since we're an Orange County team and Catalina resides in Los Angeles County.


Hey pipster, I have a friend that goes to Beckman, and he's told me you guys are pretty good. See you in the playoffs, I guess.

[OPlax31]

yea catalina is directly west from where i live (oak park). Congrats to catalina getting a CIF program, its a damn shame that the teams on the mainland in la and ventura counties can't go CIF (politics[I][B])

[OPlax31]

hey alec ive been pretty good just chillin on spring break when do we play westlake again?

[penlongpole]

anyone in south bay?

[gigo567]

anyone in south bay?
What HS do you play for.

[westlakelax17]

hey alec ive been pretty good just chillin on spring break when do we play westlake again?


I think we play you in 2 weeks, but we probally will play each other in the OC tournament.

[3rdPersonPlural]

St. Ignatius plays Torrey Pines today for what seems to be the clash of the CA Titans.

Any predictions?

[westlakelax17]

St. Ignatius plays Torrey Pines today for what seems to be the clash of the CA Titans.

Any predictions?


I'm thinking St. Ignatius is going to win. I played some of them up at a tournament in Sonoma, and they were so good. I would just like to see them have an undefeated season.

[FHS_D-POLE]

i want saint ignatius to lose......make it so everyone has at least one loss...but then i dont want them to put a colo. team at number one

[MClothier]

i want saint ignatius to lose......make it so everyone has at least one loss...but then i dont want them to put a colo. team at number one

wow sounds like someone stole your cookies...SI will go undefeated this year, it is inevitable.

[FHS_D-POLE]

we havent played SI..... soo no....it would just make me happier.......

[3rdPersonPlural]

With Torrey losing today I figure that the grudge match will be SI vs. Foothill.

Is Foothill that good? Are they fluking like last year or has Coach Fox finally gelled a team with depth as well as sparkles of brilliance?

[FHS_D-POLE]

me being on the foothill team...thinks that team has alot of chemistry and skill.....coach fox is a great coach along with ray ralph.... 13 flukes is kinda hard and not losing to any unranked teams this year is pretty good i would say....we have an awesome defense led by micheal clenshaw and sam goings.....an awesome offense led by elliot dominac who has alot of diversity along side him with depth at the midfield

[3rdPersonPlural]

Last year, FHS, you gotta admit that you guys would bring a different team every week. You won most of the big games and lost most of the gimme's. I'm sure it all made sense to you, but for the rest of us.....

This year, your only loss was a toss up at DeLaSalle.

Is Foothill going to get a chance to play anyone of merit except El Toro going forward?

[FHS_D-POLE]

well we just played san ramon valley and dominated them 13-6... and they were number 9 in the state.... but el toro will be the only "team of merit" we play untill the la-oc championship

[3rdPersonPlural]

P.S.

'.....not losing to any ranked teams this year...' is what I suspect you meant to write.

A school is a school, not a team that makes you go to class. Don't make me send your posts to your English Department head and get you put on athletic probation for embarrassing your school in it's primary mission.....

[FHS_D-POLE]

no last year like you said we lost the gimmies to unranked teams.......we havent lost to any unranked teams this year soooooo what i said was correct

[3rdPersonPlural]

well we just played san ramon valley and dominated them 13-6


I saw that on LaxPower.

Why don't you guys book some out-of-state games over the next few seasons? It seems as though you're ready for that.

[3rdPersonPlural]

no last year like you said we lost the gimmies to unranked teams.......we havent lost to any unranked teams this year soooooo what i said was correct


I don't give a hoot about beating unranked teams. I'm impressed by your wins over LCC and El Toro and MVD, who are all having stellar seasons.

But if you're noting that past Foothill teams would chunk the easy ones, yeah, I get your point.

[FHS_D-POLE]

We want to. Foothill has a bad rep though from some players in the past who made jokes that people took way to seriously. But during the summer most of our team will be at the colorado tourney in vail. But hopefully we will have the chance to play some out of state teams, tried convincing coach to play Georgetown Prep and boys latin...hahaha. But last year we played Mt. saint joseph from Md

[3rdPersonPlural]

But last year we played Mt. saint joseph from Md

And did surprisingly well.

Y'all'd be squished by Boy's Latin or GP. Why don't you play some Colorado powerhouses or some Texas teams or take a stab at the midwest powers like WRA or Upper Dublin or Brother Rice?

I think that it was counterproductive for LCC to go gunning for the pinnacle right off the bat. Get to be the best in the west before moseying out east.

[FHS_D-POLE]

haha i believe the score for that game was like 17-5 or something like that. But i wouldnt mind playing cherry creek or Arapohoe. I definately want to play SI though. The best thing about next season is that were losing 3 starters and thats it. 2 of the spots wont be tough to fill but our offense might not be as explosive as this year but it will still be good

[3rdPersonPlural]

We want to. Foothill has a bad rep though from some players in the past who made jokes that people took way to seriously.

Put less politely, you guys were a nightmare to those of us who still believe that lacrosse is a ruffians game played by gentlemen.

I've heard storys, and if half of them are true, Foothill lax is (was) in need of a rigorous refresher course in the crucial tenet of 'respect the game'.

Refreshingly, now that you guys are winning consistently, the complaints have faded out.

[FHS_D-POLE]

Well some were rumors, some were true. I wasnt there but i guess at the caramel tourney last year foothill made fun of SI's pre game spell out their name thing, so they were made about that. Also, someone said we made fun of some jesuits team prayer the year before which was total bull. But were all cool guys that are laid back and not so tense. After we played MVD we ate dinner with them and played volleyball, it was fun their pretty cool too.

[3rdPersonPlural]

....but our offense might not be as explosive as this year but it will still be good

You'll be surprised at who steps up. Kids go to camps, grow 3 inches, gain 20 pounds, find themselves running ridiculous 40 times, and a backup becomes a key cog.

If you have only 3 seniors, book some 'best of the west' games and rep CA for us.

And challenge SI to a grudge match here in SB. we have some splendid fields........

[FHS_D-POLE]

Oh, i already know our offense will be there. Riley hales scores as many goals as our senior attack, who is most likely going to towson, but is very often over looked. We had a tough schedule this year, hopefully it will be more exciting next year.

p.s. this was our "rebuilding year" also

[3rdPersonPlural]

Well some were rumors, some were true. I wasnt there but i guess at the caramel tourney last year foothill made fun of SI's pre game spell out their name thing, so they were made about that. Also, someone said we made fun of some jesuits team prayer the year before which was total bull. But were all cool guys that are laid back and not so tense. After we played MVD we ate dinner with them and played volleyball, it was fun their pretty cool too.

You have to understand that lacrosse is a community of gentlemen. Saying "I played lax at Palos Verdes' is equal (in a societal sense) as saying 'I played lax at Exeter'. We all have a communal bond. Foothill has endeavored to put their standing in this community at risk by not respecting the opponent, which is crucial to respecting the game.

Noshing with the opponents is a splendid first step. You'll find that as you advance, your opponents spend more time throwing back beers with you than they do trying to break your ankles. I still stay in touch with folks who I had especially heated lacrosse relationships with, and this is because neither of us showed any disrespect for the other.

[FHS_D-POLE]

i understand its just something that has been stuck with foothill because of a few players who dont always make the smartest decisions

[MACDADDY]

FHS d pole, are you from foothill in pleasanton or from foothill santa ana?
i can never figure the difference. also are you jv or varsity.

[FHS_D-POLE]

foothill santa ana and im varsity

[3rdPersonPlural]

... this was our "rebuilding year" also

Oh my! Preserve us from the 2008 Foothill Knights!

[FHS_D-POLE]

haha its what our coach said ... it honestly was supposed to be after losing 2 all americans and then alot of seniors on top of that

[MACDADDY]

hm...in the U.S lacrosse magazine, i dont get why they matched up Monte Vista and SI. I mean if foothill santa ana is better ranked than MV why put them up together in the rivalary....

[FHS_D-POLE]

its because they are both norcal teams that have a history with playing each other i guess....our rival used to be el toro...then switched to saint mags...then now we dont really have one..you can call all the teams we beat that we werent supposed to our rival

[3rdPersonPlural]

hm...in the U.S lacrosse magazine, i dont get why they matched up Monte Vista and SI. I mean if foothill santa ana is better ranked than MV why put them up together in the rivalary....

Because Monte Vista and SI are regional rivalries.....and Foothill is only emerging this year as a state power.

[3rdPersonPlural]

its because they are both norcal teams that have a history with playing each other i guess....our rival used to be el toro...then switched to saint mags...then now we dont really have one..you can call all the teams we beat that we werent supposed to our rival

Your rival was Cate school from 2003 through 2005.

Cate's still the same. You're..............not.

All the best teams in CA go through this rivalry with Cate, though. In 1999 Cate crushed LCC. In 2000 it was a tright game. In 2001 LCC won in a landslide and they never played again.

Now Cate is measuring Palos Verdes.

They'll be your next rival, mark my words.

[FHS_D-POLE]

i dont think thats correct cuz we had a rivalry with el toro for the longest time in the ocla ...cates rival has been thacher

[3rdPersonPlural]

i dont think thats correct cuz we had a rivalry with el toro for the longest time in the ocla ...cates rival has been thacher

Yeah, Cate and Thacher have been playing since 1961. However, Cate beat Foothill for the D2 title in 2003, then lost it to Foothill in a tight and controversial game in 2004. In 2005 they played in the regular season, which was the third game I ever officiated. Foothill won (again) and then Foothill moved into the OC ranks the next year. We never saw them up here again.

El Toro is darned good, BTW. They might just bust your bubble on the 20th.

[FHS_D-POLE]

el toro will not bust our bubble last time we played them we did horrible

[MACDADDY]

since 1961?? dude thats a long time program...our school isnt even that old.

[FHS_D-POLE]

haha we went 3 man down today against corona del mar for about 1:30 to 2:00 min and they didnt score

[akahector]

haha we went 3 man down today against corona del mar for about 1:30 to 2:00 min and they didnt score


i have to give your team a huge hand, you guys are dominating everybody, it seems.

[cali feeder]

Well, we (Oak Park) are starting to push hard for CIF status. Any other SCLA teams doing the same?

[westlakelax17]

Well, we (Oak Park) are starting to push hard for CIF status. Any other SCLA teams doing the same?


I sure want to, but I'm not sure yet. They say earliest could be by my senior year [I'm a sophomore now] or even as late as another 8 years. :OMG: :OMG: :OMG: Its easier for you because you have a smaller school district board to talk to, and in ours we have T.O., Westlake, and Newbury park in it so if one of us would go C.I.F. then we all would go. I don't think you would be in our conference anymore, would you?

[cali feeder]

I sure want to, but I'm not sure yet. They say earliest could be by my senior year [I'm a sophomore now] or even as late as another 8 years. :OMG: :OMG: :OMG: Its easier for you because you have a smaller school district board to talk to, and in ours we have T.O., Westlake, and Newbury park in it so if one of us would go C.I.F. then we all would go. I don't think you would be in our conference anymore, would you?

Who knows how our conference will be divided up. But, it's not as easy as you think. From what I've heard, we've got an athletic director who is sick of losing his football players (he's the head football coach) to fallball lacrosse and such, or losing them to injuries, or losing them to the sport of lacrosse in itself. Then there's issues with Title IX, and finally convincing the board that we can provide the funding for it.

But, we are getting a lot of newspaper coverage praising our teams success. I'm optimisitc about it.

[MACDADDY]

not to sound dumb or anything but what is CIF? i mean i just went to laxpower and clicked on "CA north CIF" and there we are, Granada at 37...

[laxiceman]

We almost went CIF this year. Probably next year.

You play for Oak park, cali feeder? #1 for Cali Club, very nice.

On the laxpower rankings, I'm assuming that's Varsity? Our Varsity is ranked number 11.

I play for JV. 7-3 so far. Better than last years like 2-14 :roll:

We play two games tomorrow which we should win, then granite bay on Wednesday.....who we really should win against too. They beat us last time, but we were missing some key defensive players and one of our best offensive players, and even still, we managed to hold the upper hand most of the game imo (until the last quarter or so). Should be a good match.

[OPlax31]

yo laxiceman do u play for west valley? I think we played you in State last year....o ya are u the real iceman who made the tutorial the iceman pocket. i gotta give ya props thats a hard pocket

[laxiceman]

yo laxiceman do u play for west valley? I think we played you in State last year....o ya are u the real iceman who made the tutorial the iceman pocket. i gotta give ya props thats a hard pocket

I actually play for the Davis Knights (and I am on JV).

We played West Valley as well last year right before playoffs, and beat them (JV) but then lost to them during playoffs, I don't know how varsity fared.

How did you guys do against them?

Also, yeah, that was me who did the iceman pocket.

[FHS_D-POLE]

foothill-"reppin so cal lax better than the s.d. teams"

[cali feeder]

o ya are u the real iceman who made the tutorial the iceman pocket. i gotta give ya props thats a hard pocket Yeah thats him alright.

How did you guys do against them? I believe we won 14-5 against them.

You play for Oak park, cali feeder? #1 for Cali Club, very nice.

On the laxpower rankings, I'm assuming that's Varsity?Yeah, thats varsity. Me and OPlax31 both play for them.

[westlakelax17]

Westlake-9
Agoura-3

Wow, this was an amazing win for us. We have lost to them for the past 2 years. Our offense just kept on putting number on the board, and we started breaking them down. Our defense played amazing also. We beat them by points in all four quarters. The interesting thing is that we haven't had practice all week because of spring break and all the other times have been either the first game of the season or near the end of the season. I think we just needed a break from lacrosse for awhile to get refreshed. I heard that Agoura had been practicing all week to prepare because they got a new coach [he coached Malibu last year].

[3rdPersonPlural]

Westlake-9
Agoura-3

Wow, this was an amazing win for us. We have lost to them for the past 2 years. Our offense just kept on putting number on the board, and we started breaking them down. Our defense played amazing also. We beat them by points in all four quarters.

Congrats. I watched the game from the scorer's table, and you guys out 'smart decision'ed them 3-1. Good work.

The interesting thing is that we haven't had practice all week because of spring break and all the other times have been either the first game of the season or near the end of the season. I think we just needed a break from lacrosse for awhile to get refreshed. I heard that Agoura had been practicing all week to prepare because they got a new coach [he coached Malibu last year].

Josh is a tremendous coach. So is Seth, for that matter, but Agoura will be better week to week from now on.

[cali feeder]

Josh is coaching them? That will DEFINETLY be noticable in their gameplay. He really is a fantastic coach.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Yeah, Cali. He builds a winner wherever he goes. It was almost scary watching him on the sidelines -- just making mental notes. First game with his new team......

[LAX_Conejo]

not to sound dumb or anything but what is CIF? i mean i just went to laxpower and clicked on "CA north CIF" and there we are, Granada at 37...

You guys are CIF, California Interscholastic Federation. Everything about Granada should be CIF as all the EBAL teams are CIF. Not all California teams are in CIF. Some of the teams who are not in CIF wish to be, some do not. The issue is CIF will not allow their teams to play teams that are not CIF during the season that the sport is active. This limits the teams that are available for the club teams to play. It is also too bad that the teams can not play so everyone can end the speculation to whom can beat whom

[westlakelax17]

Who knows how our conference will be divided up. But, it's not as easy as you think. From what I've heard, we've got an athletic director who is sick of losing his football players (he's the head football coach) to fallball lacrosse and such, or losing them to injuries, or losing them to the sport of lacrosse in itself. Then there's issues with Title IX, and finally convincing the board that we can provide the funding for it.

But, we are getting a lot of newspaper coverage praising our teams success. I'm optimisitc about it.


oh ok. I was talking to some people on my team and they were saying we are going to see what happens to you guys [oak park] when you go to the school district to see if there is a chance that you go, then our district would go. I thought Title IX was only in college? We have the same problem, we were going to go CIF by my freshman year but the last vote was with the football coach [I have no idea why he is on the board, hes not even the athletic director] and he declined it, so we didn't go. I doesn't even have a reason why he doesn't like lacrosse.

[3rdPersonPlural]

CIF sanction is not so much a title IX issue. High Schools are under increasing financial duress, and picking up another Varsity sport is a risky proposition. Boosters can claim to be willing to carry certain expenses, which makes the sport look more affordable, but Boosters kids graduate and THEN what happens?

[cali feeder]

Oak Park 14, Santa Barbara 6. Sorry 3PP.

Probably woulda been 14-2, but we put in our backup keeper. Whatevs.

I thought we played pretty well. There was some great crease feeding, and we ran most of our offense well. Missed a few slides on D, but otherwise we did a good job containing Rudolph and Welty. No USC penatlies either! Wohoo!

Thank you Juarez and 3PP for a job well done.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Oak Park 14, Santa Barbara 6. Sorry 3PP.

Alas. I was counting on you guys misbehaving so I could ding you with a whole bunch of 3 minute non release penalties, but your cooperation with this plan was dismal.

Probably woulda been 14-2, but we put in our backup keeper. Whatevs.

And your backup team.

No USC penatlies either! Wohoo!

When your officials are a confessed homer for the opponent and Juarez, it should be abundantly clear that sportsmanlike play is essential.

Thank you Juarez and 3PP for a job well done.

Hey, you kids did all the work. We're just anonymous penalty detection devices.

[tomtom]

Anybody know the final score of the TO agoura game? I left at the end of the third, freezing my butt off! I know TO had their best attackman in at goal, so I was suprised by how well he did.

[cali feeder]

Anybody know the final score of the TO agoura game? I left at the end of the third, freezing my butt off! I know TO had their best attackman in at goal, so I was suprised by how well he did.

Interesting. I think I know who it was in goal, I used to play Starz with him.

According to laxpower.com, Agoura 13, TO 5. Props to T.O., especially for not having their goalie in.

[cali feeder]

Well, good luck to all of you at the tourney. Anyone know what OC teams are going?

[westlakelax17]

Well, good luck to all of you at the tourney. Anyone know what OC teams are going?

Thanks man. good luck to u too. I bet we will see each other in the championship round. lol :grin: I know wood bridge is going to be in there, probably great oak also.

[cali feeder]

Thanks man. good luck to u too. I bet we will see each other in the championship round. lol :grin: I know wood bridge is going to be in there, probably great oak also.

One of my teammates said La Quinta was gonna be there too. They don't look too good, they only beat Dana Hills by 1 in OT. Looks like it could be SCLA pwnage.

[FHS_D-POLE]

are you talking about the cif type tourney .....if so its going to be dominated by sea view league teams

[cali feeder]

are you talking about the cif type tourney .....if so its going to be dominated by sea view league teams

Nah, we can't play CIF teams. We're talking about the OC Invitational tourney. This weekend.

[FHS_D-POLE]

ooo well good luck to all the guys competing in that

[cali feeder]

ooo well good luck to all the guys competing in that

Thanks. I wish we could play some CIF teams; Sometimes I'd rather play our hardest and best and lose to a good team than continue to play like crap and still steamroll teams.

But alas, we cannot.

[cali feeder]

Nevermind.

[westlakelax17]

The league points per game leader and assist per game leader who plays for us just went down with an ankle injury and will be out for about 3 weeks. Ouch.


who kyle???

[socalax]

The league points per game leader and assist per game leader who plays for us just went down with an ankle injury and will be out for about 3 weeks. Ouch.
Aww, thats just too bad, with playoffs coming up and everything.... :grin:

[LAX_Conejo]

Correction

[westlakelax17]

Injury or break? Heard it was broken.


I actually found out that it was just a strain and he will back by next week.

[LAX_Conejo]

SCLA - Conejo took the first 3 spots and the Orange County tournament after the first day. Agoura, Westlake Village and Oak Park went 3-0 each. Too bad that these games do not count in the ranking, especially since Westlake beat Woodbridge and Agoura beat Great Oaks and Dana Hills

[cali feeder]

One word: Bonanza.

Those guys were good. Well, most of them. They got two studs from Centennial to play for them, but thats besides the point. They moved the ball, were fundamentally sound, and played good defense. The first time we played them, we won 5-4 in a very close game, and when we got seeded against them in the semi's, they won 6-5 in another thriller.

Westlake beat Agoura in the semi's, and went on to play Bonanza, who I'm assuming won (sorry Westlake). I think all three teams repped SCLA lacrosse pretty well, and I'm pretty happy with our teams performance personally. Playing Bonanza showed us what we needed to work on, and I think that loss will help us in the long run, but overall I'm impressed with how our team came together.

Congrats to the rest of the SCLA teams for coming out and showing whats up in our league.

[Justbecause]

What happened in the loss? Why did you not play the game for 3rd place? What was the score for Westlake vs Agoura and who won Westlake vs Bonanza?

[cali feeder]

What happened in the loss? Why did you not play the game for 3rd place? What was the score for Westlake vs Agoura and who won Westlake vs Bonanza?

We had a few defensive breakdowns, and weren't completely fundamentally sound. They just outplayed us.

Not sure why we didn't play the consolation game. Not up to me.

Don't know about the Westlake v. Agoura score, pretty sure Bonanza won.

[socalax]

Agoura-2
Westlake-4
Played really well this game, our D was INSANE!!!

But...

Bonanza-10
Westlake-3

They were good, not gunna lie. We played with them, it was 4-3 at hlf but then we just got tired and didnt play our game, and pretty much just let it go. I really felt like we beat ourselves. But still happy that we made it to the finals.

[tomtom]

Sounds like you all did pretty well representing yourselves in OC. I personally had an off weekend since thursday, unfortunately placed on a day we played SB. I think we won 4-3, from what ive heard, but that could be bad info.

[westlakelax17]

I think what I have realized is that all O.C. teams LOVE to hit and slash, and not play the game. NO offense to the O.C. players that actually like to play the real game.

[SCLAfan]

Califeeder,
How can you comment about Saturday's play? You weren't even there!

Final score-
Bonanza 11
Westlake 4

Oh, and by the way, Bonanza playing with players from Centennial is a hugh point - this was a high school team tournament, not all-stars.

Bonanza, play by the rules!

[3rdPersonPlural]

I think what I have realized is that all O.C. teams LOVE to hit and slash, and not play the game. NO offense to the O.C. players that actually like to play the real game.

All PLAYERS love to hit and slash, 17. It's up to the coaches to turn these players into lacrosse players and the refs to make sure that 'football with sticks' ain't played.

SCLA has done a fine job at this, and their players will benefit as they move to higher levels of play.

What does O.C. stand for and where was the tourney played?

[cali feeder]

Califeeder,
How can you comment about Saturday's play? You weren't even there!

Final score-
Bonanza 11
Westlake 4

Oh, and by the way, Bonanza playing with players from Centennial is a hugh point - this was a high school team tournament, not all-stars.

Bonanza, play by the rules!I have teammates, I'm basically restating their words, which I happen to agree with based on their thoughts. And I was more making a comment about our general play, not just Saturday's. Just my opinion.

The Centennial players were big contributers, but we can't blame the loss on that. You are right though, it wasn't really in the spirit of the tourney to draw two really good players like that to your team.

What does O.C. stand for and where was the tourney played? O.C. = Orange County. The tourney was played somewhere near...Anaheim? Not sure. Don't quote me on that.

[westlakelax17]

All PLAYERS love to hit and slash, 17. It's up to the coaches to turn these players into lacrosse players and the refs to make sure that 'football with sticks' ain't played.

SCLA has done a fine job at this, and their players will benefit as they move to higher levels of play.

What does O.C. stand for and where was the tourney played?


That is very true. The tournament was played at a local community college in Orange County. If you know where Woodbridge is, it is right down the street from their high schools [They have a club team, and a lot of teams in SCLA play them].

[tomtom]

Gahhh, worst game ever for me. After 4 days this weekend with no stick to throw with(leadership conference) and then practice cancelled yesterday(no field), Ive pretty much had a full week off of lax aside from 3 hours of wallball or so.

I missed passes on 4 clears. Albeit, 3 of them weren't the greatest passes and came up short or behind me as im running, but they were still manageable. So thats 3 clears that could have ended in a solid posession, instead given back to the offense. Our offense had the same problem.

Great job to the westlake defense, they had some great clears.

Final score was 8-4, if anybody was wondering.

[Justbecause]

Bright is the bomb in SCLA. Bright lead Westlake to a second place finish in the OC tournament, placing better than Agoura and Oak Park. He is killing everyone in saves this year

[tomtom]

He's also got a very talented defense in front of him, and that makes a world of difference. And I wouldn't say he's "killing" everyone in saves. DaCar has a much higher sp than him, albeit with a strong defense, but Miyomoto and Hackman arn't far behind with a less-than-westlake-quality defense in both cases.

[LAX_Conejo]

Bright is the bomb in SCLA. Bright lead Westlake to a second place finish in the OC tournament, placing better than Agoura and Oak Park. He is killing everyone in saves this year

Am I missing something? Westlake lost to Bonanza the same as Oak Park did. But Oak Park played 2 games against Bonanza and Oak Park's goalie gave up 10 total in two games and Westlake let in 11 in one game. The only reason Oak Park did not advance to the finals is that the offense could not find the net and they kept dropping the ball. They also lost the league's top assisting player for the tournament. Oak Park's goalie was in the +80% save percentage in the two games.

Also, Oak Park has 4 seniors to Westlake's 13, plus, Oak Park's defensive line are all first time starters; 2 sophomores and a junior

Yeah but they will not be as strong, they loose their whole starting D including thier goalie, and we lost 5-3 to them in the semis, I think we can win it all, probably us against OP in the finals. And how do u know about Oak Park?

I do believe that Oak Park is currently 11-0 in non-tournament games.

[chaldeanlaxplr]

who here plays in middle school and what team do u play on

[westlakelax17]

Bright is the bomb in SCLA. Bright lead Westlake to a second place finish in the OC tournament, placing better than Agoura and Oak Park. He is killing everyone in saves this year


Who is this???? If you play for westlake, im alec.

[LAX_Conejo]

Who is this???? If you play for westlake, im alec.

He has got to be Bright. You are doing better than Bright too

[LAX_Conejo]

Well, it started close but Oak Park ran away with the score; Oak Park 13 Westlake 4

[westlakelax17]

He has got to be Bright. You are doing better than Bright too


I don't think so. If you are going by the stats from the SCLA website that only accounts for 2 games. But if you are going by actual game play, I don't think so. Taylor is a great goalie, and It wasn't his fault for the game last night at all. Our offense broke down, and our defense slipped out during unsettled situations. The entire game he came up with amazing saves too. If you looked at the Bonanza game, he had great saves too, but the team as a whole broke down, so you cant blame him.

[LAX_Conejo]

I don't think so. If you are going by the stats from the SCLA website that only accounts for 2 games. But if you are going by actual game play, I don't think so. Taylor is a great goalie, and It wasn't his fault for the game last night at all. Our offense broke down, and our defense slipped out during unsettled situations. The entire game he came up with amazing saves too. If you looked at the Bonanza game, he had great saves too, but the team as a whole broke down, so you cant blame him.

He gave up. You would probably have done better that Bright yesterday.

Westlake and Oak Park had the same amount of shots on goal. Bright had either 9 or 10 saves. Dacar had 16. Score 13 to 4 so 23 to 20 in shots on goal. So you can not really say that your team let Bright down. Dacar had more one-on-one shots. Travis' goal from the ground was in the crease. Bright had more shots from further away than Dacar had.

[westlakelax17]

He gave up. You would probably have done better that Bright yesterday.

Westlake and Oak Park had the same amount of shots on goal. Bright had either 9 or 10 saves. Dacar had 16. Score 13 to 4 so 23 to 20 in shots on goal. So you can not really say that your team let Bright down. Dacar had more one-on-one shots. Travis' goal from the ground was in the crease. Bright had more shots from further away than Dacar had.


I'm not sure how well I would have done, but i know one thing for sure, Taylor did not give up in any of the quarters. You probably don't play goalie, so you wouldn't understand how we think. A lot of the times we can blame ourselves for goals that weren't our fault. most of their goals,were unsettled, and so when if we had let in 4 or 5 goals we may not have as much confidence has we had at the beginning of the game. It is hard to pick your self up during a down hill battle. A goalie is the quarterback of the defence and he has a lot of responsibilities. When a goal goes in, everyone looks and sometimes blames the goalie, but when a goalie plays well, we don't usually get the recognition that we deserve all the time. We lost track of Blair Bennett on the back side a lot of times and that killed us. Also, we couldn't rotate fast enough on their fast break / man-up plays. Finally, some of our players on offense were so anxious to come back in the game, that we would take dumb shots and bad passes and then they would get the ball right back. What I'm trying to say is that being a goalie tests your mental state more than anything, and you cant blame him for the loss. This is a TEAM sport, not an individual sport. If we lose, it is the entire teams fault, and we lose as a team.

by the way, who do you play for???

[socalax]

He gave up. You would probably have done better that Bright yesterday.

Travis' goal from the ground was in the crease. Bright had more shots from further away than Dacar had.

As far as I'm concerned that goal was not "in the crease". It was around the crease if thats what you mean.

[LAX_Conejo]

As far as I'm concerned that goal was not "in the crease". It was around the crease if thats what you mean.

Your 'not in the crease' was identical to Zeolla's 'not in the crease'.

[westlakelax17]

Your 'not in the crease' was identical to Zeolla's 'not in the crease'.


You sound like you really hate westlake. :thumbsdow

[LAX_Conejo]

You sound like you really hate westlake. :thumbsdow

I never said anything to imply hatred. If one team gets the the crease for something the other team gets away with, where does it show hatred except to the double standards displayed by the calls.

[laxman 9990]

anyone know the scores form the oc playoffs today?

[socalax]

I never said anything to imply hatred. If one team gets the the crease for something the other team gets away with, where does it show hatred except to the double standards displayed by the calls.

I have no idea what you just said there...

[LAX_Conejo]

I have no idea what you just said there...

Once more: in English. Oak Park had two crease violations, one of which was IDENTIAL in position to the shot you did not get a call for. If all calls were equal, either your shot should have been crease or Zeolla's should not have been. Good thing the end score was high enough to overcome the disparity in the penalty calling.

[LAX_Conejo]

anyone know the scores form the oc playoffs today?


http://westsidelax.com/index.php?hsscores

[3rdPersonPlural]

I never said anything to imply hatred. If one team gets the the crease for something the other team gets away with, where does it show hatred except to the double standards displayed by the calls.

Ahem!

First, a 13-4 score cannot be blamed on the officiating.

Second, the crease call is one of the toughest for an official to make in a two man mechanic. The officials are 20 yards away, they're watching for pushes and goalie interferences and goals and looking at the attackman's blinkin' feet is sort of last on the very long to do list at that juncture.

Third, I've worked as many SCLA games an anyone, I have worked WITH every official who is assigned to those games, and any statement that we show a 'double standard' is offensive.

We calls 'em as we sees 'em. We do the best we can to be fair and impartial. We wrestle all of the time with the temptation to call every infraction we see which conflicts with our wont to remain invisible.

P.S. For what it's worth, your comments about the OP Westlake game do not betray any 'hatred'. You also are calling what you saw. If I were a bettin' man, I would have wagered on a 12-8 OP victory. That the spread was wider leads me to conclude that either OP was en fuego or Westlake made mistakes.

Let's be clear, I don't 'hate' Westlake at all - I admire them (players and coach alike) - I just am a huge fan of the game and an impartial observer to this particular game.

[LAX_Conejo]

Ahem!

First, a 13-4 score cannot be blamed on the officiating.

Third, I've worked as many SCLA games an anyone, I have worked WITH every official who is assigned to those games, and any statement that we show a 'double standard' is offensive.

P.S. For what it's worth, your comments about the OP Westlake game do not betray any 'hatred'. You also are calling what you saw. If I were a bettin' man, I would have wagered on a 12-8 OP victory. That the spread was wider leads me to conclude that either OP was en fuego or Westlake made mistakes.



No, I did not blame the score on the officiating. I was merely stating that the same call was not called equally for the exact same situation. Enough said on this subject. The calls did not effect the outcome of the game.

Both sides played pretty even, almost the same amount of shots towards the goals, although Westlake had more shots completely missing the range of the goal. Both sides had a lot of drops. Westlake did not bring in their second or third strings. Westlake's last goal was with 6 of Oak Park's starters out.

[3rdPersonPlural]

No, I did not blame the score on the officiating. I was merely stating that the same call was not called equally for the exact same situation.

You used the words 'disparity in penalty calling' which resonates as 'bias'.

I pointed out that a 3 inch differential in the placement of a foot when the adjudicator is observing from 20 yards away and watching lots of critical stuff 3 to 8 feet higher than said foot does not denote 'bias'.

It denotes human observational limitations. Nothing more.

[LAX_Conejo]

You missed a good game

[number19pjj]

I play for Westlake High School also, number 17, Im a goalie, Im going into my sophomore year,I think we will win the SCLA because we had a strong team last year but we will have a better one this year. Oak park lost some good seniors this year so it gives us a better chance, 2 kids on our team are getting recruited.
i just moved from westlake you know three springs but i would of gone to agoura.
good luck

[LAX_Conejo]

I play for Westlake High School also, number 17, Im a goalie, Im going into my sophomore year,I think we will win the SCLA because we had a strong team last year but we will have a better one this year. Oak park lost some good seniors this year so it gives us a better chance, 2 kids on our team are getting recruited.

Which players? I know Travis is getting picked up (Chapman correct?) Who is the other and where to?


i just moved from westlake you know three springs but i would of gone to agoura.
good luck

Did you play for Westlake? Do you have Lacrosse at your new school? Good luck....

[LAX Addict]

I think what I have realized is that all O.C. teams LOVE to hit and slash, and not play the game. NO offense to the O.C. players that actually like to play the real game.

I have to say that this blanket statement regarding all O.C. teams is completely offensive. It does not serve any purpose to disrespect another league and equally, does not respecting the game . Having had the opportunity to be a spectator at the OC Lax tournament, I was witness to many things, one of them being poor sportsmanship by parents and players from one SCLA team in particular. Sportsmanship is as important to the sport as the way you play. I would hope in the future you would give more thought to your choice of words.

[westlakelax17]

Which players? I know Travis is getting picked up (Chapman correct?) Who is the other and where to?


Travis is going to Sonoma State actually now. He told me that he doesn't like the vibe of the players / coaches. Pat Barazza is going to play for Sacred Heart in Connecticut. They are a lower D1 team.

[FHS_D-POLE]

for one thing the O.C. owns at lax........look at el toro and foothill.........eitheir would dominate wherever you play

[westlakelax17]

I have to say that this blanket statement regarding all O.C. teams is completely offensive. It does not serve any purpose to disrespect another league and equally, does not respecting the game . Having had the opportunity to be a spectator at the OC Lax tournament, I was witness to many things, one of them being poor sportsmanship by parents and players from one SCLA team in particular. Sportsmanship is as important to the sport as the way you play. I would hope in the future you would give more thought to your choice of words.


I am sorry if I have offended you, but as a player that played in that tournament, I felt that a lot of players did slash and hit excessively. Maybe our league calls too many penalties, but I'm not sure. As for the part about bad sportsmanship, I am positive, my team [westlake] was not apart of any of that. My team and the parents always show class and good sportsmanship. I'm not sure what SCLA you may be talking about. If it was Oak Park not wanting to play the 3rd place game, they didn't because they saw no point in playing because it was against Agoura and they would be playing them in a week.

[socalax]

Once more: in English. Oak Park had two crease violations, one of which was IDENTIAL in position to the shot you did not get a call for. If all calls were equal, either your shot should have been crease or Zeolla's should not have been. Good thing the end score was high enough to overcome the disparity in the penalty calling.

Ok, first of all, Zeolla's goal that was called back was a "dive" shot. (Diving into the crease w/o being pushed or something like that) I recall they took that out of lacrosse, making it illegal. The goal I had was not a dive shot, it wasnt even close to being a crease violation. I simply came aroud the crease and dived around (not in) the crease. I'm pretty sure they were not identical mainly because I was there when Zeolla's was called back and the ref said it was a "dive" and I didnt go into the crease. The refs call what they see. They are not perfect, what they see is what they will call. I thought the refing was fine that game. We just fell apart.

[socalax]

Travis is going to Sonoma State actually now. He told me that he doesn't like the vibe of the players / coaches. Pat Barazza is going to play for Sacred Heart in Connecticut. They are a lower D1 team.
Ehh, I am actually still undecided at the moment.

[socalax]

NP-7
Agoura-6

There's no typo there. Congrats to NP on the upset.

[westlakelax17]

Ehh, I am actually still undecided at the moment.

oh ok, sry trav. :DOH:

[socalax]

oh ok, sry trav. :DOH:
Ha no worries bro.

[tomtom]

Yay for np! And for down-to the second shots. We scored a goal within the last 15 seconds in 3 of the 4 quarters. Agoura played a real great game though, hats off to them.

edit- sorry if i seem a bit cocky with that, just a bit stoked atm.

[cali feeder]

NP-7
Agoura-6

There's no typo there. Congrats to NP on the upset.

Congrats to Newbury. Thats quite the upset!

[number19pjj]

no this is just my first year but picked it up fast i now live on the east coast

[LAX_Conejo]

Newbury has made it clear that they want the 4th seed in SCLA

[LAX_Conejo]

Did you get much playing time today? Better offensive output than Friday

[tomtom]

Did you get much playing time today? Better offensive output than Friday
Who's that directed towards?

[LAX_Conejo]

Who's that directed towards?

Sorry, was directed at westlake17 but the stats came out and it looked like even though they got the lead, they kept Bright in for the whole game.

My apologies to the ref, Travis was not in the crease. You don't get the benefit ofd replay in lacrosse.

Great game NP

[3rdPersonPlural]

My apologies to the ref, Travis was not in the crease. You don't get the benefit ofd replay in lacrosse.



For all I know, he might have been. That's exactly the same answer I would have given had I been working that game (and not called the violation)

There's marginal stuff that you miss. An attackman with a heel on the crease line while getting busy rooting for a loose ball in front of the cage is not a safety issue, is hardly gaining an advantage over his status had he placed his heel 2 inches forward, and is not violating the sanctity of the creas in the spirit of the rule.

If I see it, I'll call it, but my eyes are on the ball and the bodies and the sticks if I'm lead, and on the bodies and the sticks off the ball if I'm trail.

[Justbecause]

SCLA - who should the first team (allstars) be???

[tomtom]

I couldnt make a good call for attackmen, as i havent had a chance to cover all of them, and when covering my own man tis tough to observe another guy trying to feed. but in terms of middies, goalie, and defense-

Defense- Whelan, Manoukian, Klein(a bit biased there, Ill admit)
Middies- Barazza, Benton, and probably Zeola
Goalie- Hackman, or DaCar, tough to say between those two.
LSM- Costello without a doubt.

[cali feeder]

I'd pick Travis over Pat. Just my opinion though. I thought Klein was an LSM?

[tomtom]

Nope, he's close d. Our lsm is connor saucier, you can pick him out with dark hair coming out the back his helmet and an orange shaft. And doesnt travis play mostly attack? If im wrong correct me, but it seems most times i see him at attack.

ps- np-8, to-1 and i think it was Sb-5, OP-13, or something near there

[cali feeder]

Nope, he's close d. Our lsm is connor saucier, you can pick him out with dark hair coming out the back his helmet and an orange shaft. And doesnt travis play mostly attack? If im wrong correct me, but it seems most times i see him at attack.

ps- np-8, to-1 and i think it was Sb-5, OP-13, or something near there

Hmm, well the times we've played him he's been at midfield nearly the whole game, if not all. Maybe he plays you guys differently?

[tHeReS nO sHot]

Goalie- Hackman, or DaCar, tough to say between those two.
.
Hackman over DaCar? why is that?

[tomtom]

I wouldnt say Hackman over DaCar, its too close between those guys imho to call a clear winner. I just gave their names in a random order.

Cali, sent you a pm about another issue.

[tHeReS nO sHot]

I would think they would (for goalie at least) pick the best save % and least amount of goals.
ATTACKTravis Abraham-Westlake, Blair Bennet-Oak park, Nick O'Bryan-Oak park
MIDDIESPat Barazza-Westlake, Kyle Benton-Oak park, Brett Zeola-Oak park
LSMChad Costello-Oak park
DEFENSECorey Whelan-Oak park, Matt Caspari-Oak park, (Either McGinnis-Agoura, Albers-Oak park)
GOALIEChris DaCar-Oak park or Justin Hackman-Thousand Oaks (DaCar maybe because he is on the better team and less goals by far)
ALL AMERICANChad Costello
Looks like Oak park heavy again for the 2nd year in a row

[cali feeder]

SINCE WHEN DOES TRAVIS PLAY ATTACK?!!?! Does Westlake only do this against us or something?

[westlakelax17]

Sorry, was directed at westlake17 but the stats came out and it looked like even though they got the lead, they kept Bright in for the whole game.

My apologies to the ref, Travis was not in the crease. You don't get the benefit ofd replay in lacrosse.

Great game NP


I did get play actually, for the last ten minutes of the game. By the way the stats for the other goalie for westlake [joey hoggsett] are actually mine. He quit the team a week after the season started.

[westlakelax17]

SINCE WHEN DOES TRAVIS PLAY ATTACK?!!?! Does Westlake only do this against us or something?


Travis has always played attack. we move him up to our second middie line every once in awhile.

[tomtom]

Travis has always played attack. we move him up to our second middie line every once in awhile.

SShhhhhh...lets keep messing with Darling a little longer.

btw, theres no shot, what team do you play for? sounds like yur an scla guy from your posts.

[cali feeder]

Travis has always played attack. we move him up to our second middie line every once in awhile.

Heh. Alrighty then.

SShhhhhh...lets keep messing with Darling a little longer.

Oh. I see how it is. Come Starz season, you won't get a single good pass from me :loser: ! Just messing. But honestly, I was COMPLETELY oblivious to the fact that he played attack.

[tomtom]

Haha, wouldnt I be the the one passing to you anyways?

thanks for the starz info, btw, Im thinking Ill do it this fall, my summers a bit busy but fall sounds good. One last question, whats the deal with uniforms/helmets?

[cali feeder]

Haha, wouldnt I be the the one passing to you anyways?

thanks for the starz info, btw, Im thinking Ill do it this fall, my summers a bit busy but fall sounds good. One last question, whats the deal with uniforms/helmets?

Oh you know, maybe on a clear or something....


Anyways, we usually get pennie (sp?) style jersies and nice shorts, and you use your own helmet.

[tomtom]

Ehhh...good thing about longpoles are we've got a nice 8 foot radius to catch in, so bad passes can be overcome. Its the riding attackman barreling into you as you stretch upwards for the ball thats a problem :p

[cali feeder]

Ehhh...good thing about longpoles are we've got a nice 8 foot radius to catch in, so bad passes can be overcome. Its the riding attackman barreling into you as you stretch upwards for the ball thats a problem :p

Yeah, I've seen that hit happen many-a-time, followed by a whistle and a "Could we get a trainer over here?" call by the official. Glad I don't play pole!

[tomtom]

I had a nice red mark on my shoulder from a nice hit from abraham after our westlake game. My shoulder pads are the adams ones, so the protection is limited already, but on top of that he managed to get his head underneath the pads. The bright side? I've got a little bit of a momentum advantage on him, and made the clear.

[cali feeder]

I had a nice red mark on my shoulder from a nice hit from abraham after our westlake game. My shoulder pads are the adams ones, so the protection is limited already, but on top of that he managed to get his head underneath the pads. The bright side? I've got a little bit of a momentum advantage on him, and made the clear.

Haha those barely even qualify as shoulder pads if you ask me! At least you made the clear.

[tomtom]

They qualify as far as the rules go! Besides, the way they sit kinda wide mades me look bigger and more intimidating.

ps- just to embaras- err, i mean support, our defensive coach...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0QNNdb3O2WE

[raaaay29]

How did the whole CA Lacrosse forum get so dominated by socal club players?

[tomtom]

I guess theres just a lot of us here from SCLA...me, cali, lax_conejo, westlakelax, socalax, 3pp, theres no shot(from what I can tell). I think all the north county and norcal guys are more spread out than we are, so theres no as much talk.

[LAX_Conejo]

How did the whole CA Lacrosse forum get so dominated by socal club players?

Mainly because NorCal has their own site: http://www.norcallaxforum.com and a lot of San Diego and South LA use http://www.westsidelax.com. No one ever covers club so this is the main place we can go. Even LaxPower and Westside do not report our scores in a timely fashion, so this it the place.

Maybe we should start our own thread.

CA Club Lacrosse or SCLA Lacrosse

[westlakelax17]

SShhhhhh...lets keep messing with Darling a little longer.

btw, theres no shot, what team do you play for? sounds like yur an scla guy from your posts.


I play for westlake lol. I'm number 17 the back-up goalie.

[tomtom]

i know who you are, Im asking about the new guy "theres no shot" unless you are that guy too...leading a double life on us. A westlake lax goalie by day...and an unknown team's lax goalie by night...how mysterious...

[cali feeder]

Haha thats your coach in the video? Noice.

Maybe we should start our own thread. I'll start one up.

[FHS_D-POLE]

check out ocvarsity.com it has some clips on the front page of foothill playing el toro in the oc final

[laxman 9990]

hey fhs what # are you?
you guys played a great game and you guys can actually play real lacrosse unlike us

[westlakelax17]

i know who you are, Im asking about the new guy "theres no shot" unless you are that guy too...leading a double life on us. A westlake lax goalie by day...and an unknown team's lax goalie by night...how mysterious...

oh hahahaha :dummy: I actually 2 lives, but not as theres no shot. I am a westlake lax goalie at day, but as a super hero at night.lol :chuckle: :chuckle:

[FHS_D-POLE]

im number 21 ... im the longpole middie

[tomtom]

oh hahahaha :dummy: I actually 2 lives, but not as theres no shot. I am a westlake lax goalie at day, but as a super hero at night.lol :chuckle: :chuckle:

superhero eh....Now if you dont mind me asking, do you need training for that? Like, a BA degree in heat vision or something?

[SSHSGoalie33]

FHS_D-POLE u guys in the sacramento Jambaree

[FHS_D-POLE]

nope the only place i kno wwhere goin this summer is vail possibly

[SSHSGoalie33]

oh that sucks
yeah this tourny in sac has 44 teams+

[akahector]

im number 21 ... im the longpole middie


hey i was at your school today, watching the girls game. go los al!... :whyme:

[westlakelax17]

superhero eh....Now if you dont mind me asking, do you need training for that? Like, a BA degree in heat vision or something?


actually, i have a doctorate degree in flying and super strength from imagination university. :chuckle: :chuckle: :laugh: :laugh:

[FHS_D-POLE]

CIF SS finals tonight baby at the home depot center....FHS vs. Palos Verdes

[OPlax31]

Good luck man take it to em

[FHS_D-POLE]

FHS is the SS CIF champions yeah boy

[3rdPersonPlural]

FHS is the SS CIF champions yeah boy

Congrats, FHS!! Was the game as close as the final score indicates?

[cali feeder]

Congrats to FHS D-POLE and the rest of the Foothill squad!

[FHS_D-POLE]

the game was sorta as close as the final score indicates by the end of the first half we were down 6-1 and came back and we were winning 9-11 in the fourth until i late in the fourth they scored(because of me :) ) but we kept the lead and won the game

[raaaay29]

When is the OC vs LA all star game and who is going?

[akahector]

congrats, d-pole

[FHS_D-POLE]

i dont believe there is a la vs oc all star game

[murderlax]

has anyone played against granite hills this season on here. i play LSM for granite and this season we are doing really well. our starting goalie is amazing and he just picked up a goalie stick a couple months ago. i think he is the #2 ranked goalie for our league.

[LAX_Conejo]

SCLA LAX has their league stats posted. Are their any other leagues in CA that have league stats posted?

[LAX_Conejo]

Yeah but they will not be as strong, they loose their whole starting D including thier goalie, and we lost 5-3 to them in the semis, I think we can win it all, probably us against OP in the finals. And how do u know about Oak Park?

It is always fun to go back and look at posts at the beginning of the season to see if things panned out. So, last year it was 5-3 OP. Oak Park lost 5-6 starters and I am not sure how many Westlake lost but they were returning with 12-13 seniors. Oak park lost their whole starting D and the league's best goalie. As a matter of fact, Oak Park only has 5 seniors. Westlake returned the second best gaolie, Travis and a few others. So......... should have been about 6-4 Westlake for the finals? No... kind of like the SF 49er's of old.... they had the best bench in football during the 80's. Last year's bench players took it to Westlake this year. 13-5 with one of Oak Park's goals coming with their this year's bench players and 2 of Westlake's goals coming with Oak Park's bench players.

[LAX_Conejo]

I couldnt make a good call for attackmen, as i havent had a chance to cover all of them, and when covering my own man tis tough to observe another guy trying to feed. but in terms of middies, goalie, and defense-

Defense- Whelan, Manoukian, Klein(a bit biased there, Ill admit)
Middies- Barazza, Benton, and probably Zeola
Goalie- Hackman, or DaCar, tough to say between those two.
LSM- Costello without a doubt.

Were you are Sunday's game? Would you pick up any choices for attack from the two teams that played?

[SSHSGoalie33]

anyone here play for Jesuit or Oakridge?

[LAX_Conejo]

I play for the West Valley Redhawks varsity, #24 last season, and I am now a junior. Last season was our first year as a varsity team, and we got 3rd in the state for club. I think we can do better this year because we were mostly sophomores last year, and we only lost 3 seniors, one of whom started.

So, where can we get a game film? We have you for Saturday.....

[tomtom]

Were you are Sunday's game? Would you pick up any choices for attack from the two teams that played?

Unfortunately I didnt make sundays game, mothers day lunch. So Im kinda still out in terms of attackmen still. I think i could safely say bennet and abraham, but that third spot is undecided.

[Justbecause]

anyone here play for Jesuit or Oakridge?

No, other than a select few, only players from good teams hang out here

[SSHSGoalie33]

well does anyone know how good they are?

[LAX_Conejo]

They are near the middle of the club teams in CA, not sure about the JV though

[SSHSGoalie33]

oh yeah my team is varsity but were playing in the JV tourny, cause were fairly new and didnt want to go downand get wrecked, but we will see how they doo

yeah if anyone knows how good their JV teams are let me know

[LAX_Conejo]

oh yeah my team is varsity but were playing in the JV tourny, cause were fairly new and didnt want to go downand get wrecked, but we will see how they doo

yeah if anyone knows how good their JV teams are let me know

I am not sure what the issue is. You are varsity and you are afraid to play our JV teams?? The area where the jamboree is held is just as new to lacrosse as your team with more than 50% of the teams in the area being less than 2 years old.

So why are you playing down? What does your team hope to accomplish by playing teams consisting mostly of freshman or even 8th graders? This is at the end of the season, you are playing away. No one knows who you are. Why is it that it is not only your team coming to this jamboree with the hopes of playing down? How do you get better if you don't play harder teams? I could maybe forgive you for playing down your first year (especially if your team only has 10 players (like some first year teams) or less than 5 games under your belt) but this is not your first year. The Vegas teams don't play down.

[SSHSGoalie33]

yeah our team has played 7 games we are 6-1 but yeah our whole season we had maybe about 12 guys but in the last week or 2 we got about 7 more guys. its not that were affraid, its just that our coach wants to give us a learning experiance

and no one from our team has played for more then half a year

[tomtom]

You went 6 and 1 at a varsity level, and now want to drop to JV for a tournament? Doesnt make sense to me.

[LAX_Conejo]

You went 6 and 1 at a varsity level, and now want to drop to JV for a tournament? Doesnt make sense to me.

Good, glad to see someone else sees it my way

[ShockerAutc]

At a varsity level is misleading. Our league has a single level, with many freshmen and a few older kids playing fir the most part.

[SSHSGoalie33]

true. and 1 team in our league just sucks(Damonte Ranch 0-8)

Reno is ok galena is worth playing

[westcoastlaxr4]

So, where can we get a game film? We have you for Saturday.....
I think its a little late for game tape now...and we would have to mail it or something anyway. Oh well.
I hope we can give you guys a better showing than we did last year, because we definitely have a better team than we did the last time we saw you. I guess if you want to see our team stats and stuff you can go to www.redhawkslacrosse.com and click on the sportablility links in the varsity section. It would only be fair, since you guys have your stats up on the SCLA site.

[LAX_Conejo]

I think its a little late for game tape now...and we would have to mail it or something anyway. Oh well.
I hope we can give you guys a better showing than we did last year, because we definitely have a better team than we did the last time we saw you.

We tried getting game film from THLC and Davis but they would not give it up.
When was your Vegas Tournament? Did you ever play Bonanza or were they in the other flight?

Too bad we can not play each other for the championship instead of the semi's. Unfair; a pretender gets to get into the finals. We have beaten the teams in the other flight 4 times this year.

[N8dawg19]

did anyone play LCC this season?

[N8dawg19]

did anyone play LCC this season

[jesusmacabee]

Lick-Wilmerding High, norcal, 18, jv, freshman. this was my first year and it was so much fun.

[SSHSGoalie33]

how can u be 18 and be afreshmen?

[cali feeder]

I think he's talking about his number that he wears.

[LAX_Conejo]

#18, not 18 YO

[PlayOn]

any of you doing starz this summer? I may get to officiate if all goes as I hope.

[czechinthepipes]

any of you doing starz this summer? I may get to officiate if all goes as I hope.
I want to but sadly I'm just not up for it. I really wish I could, I was thinking about trying out but I just cant.
Thats cool that you can officiate for it, that be really cool.

[jesusmacabee]

how can u be 18 and be afreshmen? sorry, i meant the number.

[N8dawg19]

im doing nc starz

[hbslax4]

did anyone play LCC this season?
ya. my highschool did. Santa Fe Christian, Lost 10-11

[A. Jay]

has anyone played against granite hills this season on here. i play LSM for granite and this season we are doing really well. our starting goalie is amazing and he just picked up a goalie stick a couple months ago. i think he is the #2 ranked goalie for our league.


yeah i did, at the santana tournament. i play for otay ranch high, #8, attack. i was the one who intercepted the ball in a clear going towards the goalie and scored on him haha. but yeah we still lost.

your guys offense is pretty sweet. but i remembered our goalie was on a roll that day and was blocking a **** load of shots.

[westlakelax17]

In the California Club State Playoffs varsity scores::

Westlake-3
Woodbridge-1


For JV state playoff scores::

Westlake-3
Pataluma-8

Newbury Park-6
Edison-5


I didn't stay around for the Oak Park vs. West Valley game.

[LAX_Conejo]

In the California Club State Playoffs varsity scores::

Westlake-3
Woodbridge-1


For JV state playoff scores::

Westlake-3
Pataluma-8

Newbury Park-6
Edison-5


I didn't stay around for the Oak Park vs. West Valley game.

West Valley 5 Oak Park 8

Looks like round 4 coming up

[MACDADDY]

ok i got a simple question (kinda) anyways here it goes

friday, some girl that plays for the girls team told me that there was an all star team where each school contributes 2 players to the team. she also said that there would be a JV and varsity all star team. can anyone confirm this?

[LAX_Conejo]

Before everyone packs up their gear for the much needed break, are there any Southern California Top 20 CIF teams looking to play a game against a team from club???

Basically anyone from this list??

Foothill-Santa Ana
El Toro
Palos Verdes
Corona Del Mar
Loyola-Los Angeles
Saint Margaret's

[FHS_D-POLE]

everyones done if you wanna play teams like that go to the temecula shootout

[SSHSGoalie33]

Well we just got back from the Sac tourny, we went 5-1 and lost to Bella Vista 6-3 in the Championship, Me and Their Goalie were named MVP

[ShockerAutc]

Yeah, we lost to Bella Vista 6-3 in the semi-finals after losing 3-1 to them day before. We did well though, 3/4 semi-final teams from reno. Not bad. Next yr, one of us is wining it.