Indiana 2007

[Cartel]

Alright, I'll give it a shot. I'm too impatient.

[ExiledinIN]

hey how is the tourny seeds given out, is it by in state win and losses or is it by laxpower ratings? ive herd both but imnot sure which is right.

3rd column on laxpower rankings. Reg In Column.

[naptownlax101]

there has been another indiana vid on elacrosse but its youth play. but as the season progresses who do you think is gonna take the title and who are the favorites for the final 2 teams?

[PacersguyUSA]

Culver, Heritage, Carmel, Zionsville, and Cathedral could all beat each other on any given day.

[PacersguyUSA]

Actually, I take that back. Carmel is definately a notch below Heritage, Culver, and Zionsville from what I've seen of those teams. And I probably shouldn't talke about Cathedral cause I haven't seen them play.

[ZvilleLax30]

I wouldn't count Carmel out. This is a Zville guy saying this. Carmel has really good attack and some mids that really can take over a game and keep the ball. Guys, Heritage is beatable. We only lost by one and we played like total...you know. I would love to play Carmel or Heritage again, the way we played friday against Cathedral. 10-2. Who ever said anyone of the teams could beat each other on any given day is right. It will all come down to the playoffs. I haven't seen Culver, this year I don't know why we arn't playing them. Why are they so high? Because they are playing out of state teams? They are playing only a few Indiana teams.

[PacersguyUSA]

Culver beat Rockhurst Jesuit (MO), who was a top 25 team in the country last year and is currently at #59. They won 10-6 too...

But about Carmel, I don't think they are as fundamentally sound (passing and catching) as Heritage or Zionsville, but I suppose it could have been a fluke against us.

[ZvilleLax30]

And what team are you?

[PacersguyUSA]

North Central. Score was 12-2 I think. They scored about 4 goals in the span of a 3 minute illegal stick penalty, and we played our JV for a lot of the 2nd half (but I assume they did too).

Against Zionsville & Heritage we were missing a lot of our top players though, so I don't know how to gauge it.

[cclaxer]

pacersguy ... it was 14-2 and yea we did score about 4 goals on man up but then again maybe your player just should have used a legal stick to begin with ... as far as fundamenatals go yea sure heritage has great stick skills but when we played zionsville i didnt think they had any better fundamentals than we did ... culver is really good too but incase you didnt know we only lost to them by one (5-6) and it was snowing.

[ZvilleLax30]

Don't know how to gauge it? We beat you 15-0. I had 5 goals against you in the first quarter. And then you lose to Lafayette.

[laxdad88]

I say it will be HC or CMA taking State with Zville as a blackhorse to make a showing

[PacersguyUSA]

pacersguy ... it was 14-2 and yea we did score about 4 goals on man up but then again maybe your player just should have used a legal stick to begin with ... as far as fundamenatals go yea sure heritage has great stick skills but when we played zionsville i didnt think they had any better fundamentals than we did ... culver is really good too but incase you didnt know we only lost to them by one (5-6) and it was snowing.


Well, his stick had been checked in previous games with no flag, so you would have had to assume it would be legal again. Refs seem to be very arbitrary in giving out illegal stick penalties. Against Snider, one of our attackman had a ref check his stick before the game, and the ref deemed it legal, then at a check at halftime, he called it illegal.

You guys seemed to drop more passes than Zionsville or Heritage Christian, and your cuts were not as proficient. That's why I think you're a notch below them, but then again, it could have been an off day for you or any number of reasons.

Don't know how to gauge it? We beat you 15-0. I had 5 goals against you in the first quarter. And then you lose to Lafayette.

Against Zionsville, we didn't have Clay Elkin (6th in the state in goals in far less games than H.C. or BJPHS), Isaac Hock (4 year defensive starter--think he actually played for Zionsville in M.S.), and I wasn't there until the 2nd half. Then Lafayette and Heritage were on prom day, so we missed basically 1st line everything. So my point is, we did worse against Zionsville and Heritage than against Carmel, but were not at full strength against Zionsville or Heritage, so it is hard to guage the other teams off of our perfomance against them, besides the fact that both teams are really good.

P.S. We have no depth. Our second line midfield and defense are our JV team, and our third line midfield is 1st year players. Probably why we suck.

[kyl3ray]

yeah so snider (im a snider player) got worked by z-ville about 14-2 haha im acutally suprised we scored 2 on them. and we actually scored first

[Cartel]

Against Zionsville, we didn't have Clay Elkin (6th in the state in goals in far less games than H.C. or BJPHS), Isaac Hock (4 year defensive starter--think he actually played for Zionsville in M.S.), and I wasn't there until the 2nd half. Then Lafayette and Heritage were on prom day, so we missed basically 1st line everything. So my point is, we did worse against Zionsville and Heritage than against Carmel, but were not at full strength against Zionsville or Heritage, so it is hard to guage the other teams off of our perfomance against them, besides the fact that both teams are really good.

P.S. We have no depth. Our second line midfield and defense are our JV team, and our third line midfield is 1st year players. Probably why we suck.

Why would a GUY need to do something relating to prom at 11 am? Did they have to get pedicures and a perm?

[TJack08]

Don’t count Carmel out just yet. I watched them beat Z’ville, followed the very next day by a win over Cincinnati Sycamore. With the win last night over Heritage, they are for real. I haven’t seen Culver play yet, but you can always count on them to show up with their A-team when the playoffs start. They also have an increbibly tough schedule with a strength-of-schedule rating of “9”! Toughest in Indy by a long shot.

I favor Carmel and Culver for the finals at this point, though HC, Z’ville and Brebeuf may surprise someone. (Remember Brebeuf’s win over Carmel last year in the playoffs). Cathedral hasn’t really played much, but it’s just surprising that they pull out a win over HC, then lose large to Z’ville. I can assure that the Irish won’t be in 9th place for long. Expect them up in the top 5 by season’s end.

The other teams are all second-tier and will just tag along for the rest of the season. Noblesville has done well this year, but has played a weak schedule (238th in strength-of-schedule). Westfield is about to enter a buzzsaw with back-to-backs versus Cathedral, Carmel, and Brebeuf. Expect to see a running clock in all three of those games with losses by +10 goals or thereabouts. St. Joe’s-South Bend is interesting. They seem to be a young, inexperienced squad, but had a wonderful goalie. I’d like to see more of them , but probably won’t past the first round in the playoffs. Park Tudor will round out the lower tier, but don’t expect them to surprise anyone in the playoffs.

[laxdad88]

Looks like HC and CMA play each other this Saturday. That should make the top State contender picture a little clearer.

CMA does have a warm up game tomorrow night against Homestead. Any predictions on that game??? CMA beat Westfield 17-7 and westfield beat Homestead 17-2 ....Could get ugly

[PacersguyUSA]

Why would a GUY need to do something relating to prom at 11 am? Did they have to get pedicures and a perm?

They were there for Lafayette. That was a pretty bad loss for us. Our 2nd best player was visiting Stanford but it shouldn't have made that much of a difference. Our comeback came just short.

[warriorlax99]

My team lost to Guerin! :bawling: I know their not a quality team but they should get some respect for having a tough schedule all year long.

By the way, I play for LaPorte. Yes, Laporte.

[kyl3ray]

what happened to laporte awhile back when they lost to homestead?? even snider (me) beat homestead 11-5, you guys shoula beat them i think. laporte is alot better than they were last year or previous years, they surpirsed me alot actually.

[warriorlax99]

We've gotten alot better, we have a new coach whos uncle and dad played for hopkins. We only lost to homestead because it was snowing, and one of our players swept the ball into our goal!

[kyl3ray]

We've gotten alot better, we have a new coach whos uncle and dad played for hopkins. We only lost to homestead because it was snowing, and one of our players swept the ball into our goal!

dang thats stinks man! yeah hopkins ehh? thats pretty awesome.

[Playmaker11]

Aaron stop wasting ur time on this crap...we killed NC. they suck. we played with heritage, culver, and zionsville so we are legit. The rest is left to be proved on the field and thats it. North central obviously cant so they try and make excuses on the internet and talk smack. we dont need to do that so how about you stop spending on this forum and spend it working on not just going "side to side." o and i bet that nc kid whos talking either doesnt play at all or is completely worthless, but eitherway i dont care...we already played them and i have nothing left to prove to them.

[Playmaker11]

O but seriously i need ask about this team that berju or someone is putting together at the end of year that is comprised of graduating seniors or something and is going out to vail, colorado to play. Does anyone really know anything about this team like how its getting picked (tryouts?, coaches?) or whos picking or dates or anything. If you do, just send me a message cuz i dont plan on checking out this forum anytime soon.

[cclaxer]

haha good point steve haha ur right, by the way i would love to get my truth back anytime haha or u can keep it and give me ur duece for it either way i want a head.

[TJack08]

The playoffs are approaching quickly. From what I've seen, there are six teams that have a legitimate shot, some a little moreso than others. I've seen all of them play now, so here's my take on it.
Culver: The championship is theirs for the taking. They've knocked off every ranked team they've played, including Carmel and Heritage. You know that they'll be bringing their A-team and their A-game to the playoffs.
Carmel: Second best with the win over Heritage and the easy handling of Z'ville.
Heritage: I thought this team would be unstoppable with its awesome offense. Along with Carmel and Culver, this is one that can win it all.

Also rans:
Cathedral: You never know who will show for the Cathedral games. They beat Heritage, but get spanked by Z'ville and lose to Carmel. Then they barely escape Park Tudor, an unranked squad.

Brebeuf: Kind of like Cathedral, they show up for big games and seem to play down to the competition. They got a scare from Westfield last week in a game they should have won easily. Again, they showed up last year in the playoffs with a big upset over Carmel. Carmel must have been thinking about that game last Wednesday. They got their revenge in a nice match. The question: Which Brebeuf squad will show up in the playoffs this year?

Zionsville: This is evidence of a ranking problem with the Laxpower system. I like the computerized ranking, but Z’ville has played by far the easiest schedule of the top six contenders, yet is ranked number 1 in Indy. Whereas Culver has an 11 Strength-of-Schedule rank, Z’ville sports a whopping 107! They didn’t play Culver, and lost to Carmel and Heritage. They only nipped Brebeuf by 1 goal. I saw the Carmel-Z’ville game and don’t think Z’ville will get to the Championship game this year.

Surprises:
Park Tudor came on strong at the end of the year. Cathedral only beat them by one goal, and Westfield squeaked by one in OT. Nice widespread offense. Some of the kids need more basic stick skills work. This team could be back in form next year as long as they don’t lose too many kids to graduation.

Westfield should have been moving up in contention with the big six, but sadly seems to be regressing. They beat no team ranked in the top six, and only beat two other top ten teams by one goal each. They were also nearly upset by Park T. There seems to be no logic to the offense other than scoring on broken plays. No growth or development with this team. Sad.

St. Joe’s South Bend: I love this team. A lot of spirit and fight. They were clearly in need of more time to develop skills, but they seem well-coached. I think this team has a bright future.

[PacersguyUSA]

Aaron stop wasting ur time on this crap...we killed NC. they suck. we played with heritage, culver, and zionsville so we are legit. The rest is left to be proved on the field and thats it. North central obviously cant so they try and make excuses on the internet and talk smack. we dont need to do that so how about you stop spending on this forum and spend it working on not just going "side to side." o and i bet that nc kid whos talking either doesnt play at all or is completely worthless, but eitherway i dont care...we already played them and i have nothing left to prove to them.

You obviously didn't read any of the posts, or you have terrible reading comprehension because I've admitted that we suck. We are terrible, especially on D and especially our depth. Nobody is debating that at all lol. So, uh, you're cool...


I'll run over it again, slower this time, so you might get it:
I'm just trying to talk about the other teams that have a shot at winning state, partially by analyzing how they played against us. The reason I mention "absences" is because that needs to be factored in when considering how Heritage, Zionsville, and Carmel played against us. Of course we would get destroyed by those teams no matter who showed up for our squad, but if Zionsville destroys us when we're missing a lot of people, and Carmel isn't as great against us when we're not, I can't automatically assume that Zionsville is better because of the circumstances.

In the discussion about the Snider game, I mentioned many things wrong with our team, but explicitly said that they are not excuses.

By the way, did I mention that we suck?

[kyl3ray]

guys...its a forum...for friendly discussions...PM if you got beef haha

[warriorlax99]

Well we got [/B]worked by noblesville 19-3 yesterday

[ZvilleLax30]

Ok I don't know who this Tjack kid is but your kinda ticking me off. How about we talk about Culver first. First off why do you think Culver and Carmel have higher strength of schedules? Maybe because they go out of state and get whooped? Compared to Zionsville who couldn't play our out of state games because the other teams cancelled because of weather. Believe it or not indiana lacrosse isn't amazing Culver's real record is 13-6. Hm...not that stellar. Props to them to go play out of state but ok. Btw Culver wouldn't schedule us. Don't make it sound the other way around. Our coach tried many times to have them play, they flatly refused. But they did send their JV to come get stomped by ours. Maybe they are still alitte sore from last year's semifinals. I know your post isn’t up to date but fun fact Culver decided to lose to Brebeuf. Hm. Maybe they aren’t as invincible as you thought. Also they actually had a fairly close game against Cathedral the other day. They ended up winning by 4 but it seemed a lot closer than that. Trust me I was there.

Carmel. I am not going to say anything bad about Carmel. I defiantly respect them. They have a good team. The only thing is when you look at when they play teams they should be easily they are closer than they should be. HSE only by 6? Chatard by 6? Cathedral by 2? And Noblesville by 3? (On a side note whoever thinks that Noblesville is in contention for State, please just stop. Honestly.) All of those teams Zionsville beat handily. (HSE by 14, Chatard by 21, Cathedral by 8, and Noble by 15). That Chatard game is recent Carmel played them 5/12 and we played them 5/5. Don’t get me wrong here Carmel is a good team. They played really well against us. Granted that was easily our worst game of the season.

Heritage isn’t as unstoppable as people think. Shut down James and without his feeding and goals and they are nothing spectacular. I am pretty sure when they played us James had one goal and one assist. And his goal was off a hidden ball play. It was a great play though our sophomore defender totally bit. But it won’t happen again. We all know that James can score loads of points against easy teams. What about when the pressure gets serious? Remember most of the players on heritage are juniors. I would love to play them again. When they beat us by one it was early in the year. A lot has changed.

I think Cathedral is too spastic. Plus they might be a low seed in the tourney depending on how the bids come out. They are 6th right now and are also on a two game losing streak, one to culver and one to St. Joes.

Ok now to respond to your outrageous comments about us. I have already mentioned why we have such a gap in our strength of schedule. Our games that we were going to play have even been removed so our schedule would have been much higher. We would have played the 21st team in the Midwest New Trier, the 47th Liberty-Olentangy and 48th Libertyville. Again I remind you Culver refused to schedule us. We played Heritage in March, (and they only won by one so isn’t that nipping by to use your term?) I am positive we are a vastly different team than the one we were in march. Our loss to Carmel is our only legitimate loss. We flatly didn’t show up that day. Our All-American play like crap. Carmel was ready for us. I give them credit for it. Both of those losses were also away games. Fun fact for you, that even with the current standing we were predicted to lose both of those games. But that’s right you don’t like laxpower. Ok now the Brebeuf game, easily the coldest game of my life. I swear to God it was snowing. We defiantly played down to their level. Shouldn’t have been close but that’s why we play the game right. I don’t know why you are so anti-zionsville, maybe you don’t like our jerseys or something stupid like that. But you shouldn’t judge our team by one game, especially our worst game. You have to look at the entire season not just snippets. How about you look at the streak we are on. Our last 5 games we have won by 8, 12, 13, 21, 15. Btw the one we won by 13 was our game at your beloved Park Tudor. I am not sure why you are so high on them.

I don’t know who you are or even if you are a player. I don’t think you are because of the way you talk about the teams. So if that makes a parent that’s just sad. And I really hope we don’t have coaches in this league that would be so deconstructive to the sport. I can’t believe you are on here judging and insulting kids based on how they are playing a sport. If you are a player you probably play for some team in the consolation tourney. Have fun. Either way I welcome you to strap it up and try to score on they best goalie in the state Alex Gregg, try to get past the All-State defender Stu Campbell. And just for kicks how about you try to beat our possible All-American f/o specialist and middie Scott Law. If you tried, I am sure you would be fully embarrassed.

I am anxiously awaiting your reply.

[TJack08]

Wow! I feel like I poked someone on their sunburned neck!

Let's clear something up from the start. At no time have I ever cast aspersions or directed any comments toward an individual player. The fact that anyone suits up to play this game and tries their best makes them a hero in my eyes. It requires a special athlete to master this sport. So, let's get that behind us.

My comments are simply my own opinions. Take them for what you will. Obviously, you are upset that I see Zionsville's schedule as weaker than others. Anyone can observe this by simply looking at Laxpower's strength of schedule ratings. I don't make those up; I just made a comment on it. I don't doubt that your coaching staff tried to arrange games with many tougher teams. Often, it's difficult to match up schedules, get referees, and a place to play. I understand that. But does it change the strength of schedule - No! It is what it is.

I haven't seen every game played, but comment on the games I have seen and make judgements from those. I happened to see Carmel's win over Zionsville. I thought Carmel looked excellent on defense. I later saw them look rather sloppy in a win over Cathedral. I've seen Heritage blast people, then look rather sloppy against lesser opponents.

I've made comments about teams that aren't in the top tier, but are working hard to get better. I thought Noblesville performed well this year. Win the Championship - not a chance in my book - but they have improved a lot.

I also state my opinion of which teams I think will be standing on the field during Championship weekend, much like any other sports prognosicator would do. Maybe I'll be wrong. The fun is putting your opinion out there and see how people will respond. You seem to have taken it very personally, and you and your teammates really shouldn't. I'm quite certain that if I'm wrong, you'll flame me after the game. Prove me wrong. Hold that trophy up at the end of the season.

I also like to inject a little more polite conversation into the forum. I guess I could have said "Carmel sucks", or "Noblesville is crap". I choose to be a little more respectful than most on the board.

As for me, I played my entire career on the East Coast and played against many D-1 All-Americans, goalies included. I played against many top players from Maryland. I stopped playing due to injury. I'm sure I wouldn't be any match for the best goalie in Indiana, or be able to beat your faceoff specialist or longstick. It wouldn't prove anything anyway, would it? Either I'd beat them and they'd be embarassed, or they'd beat me, and everyone would say that Alex, or Stu, or Scott had just beaten an old has-been!

Best of luck in the playoffs!

[laxdad88]

TJack
Two excellent posts and I agree that the Zville poster is overreacting. This is supposed to be fun - maybe a little lite hearted banter - but all in the name of fun.

In less than 2 weeks we will know who the State Champ Camp is.

Maybe Zville is a great team and they just have not had the opportunity to show it due to the weak schedule (weak for WHATEVER reason). They will have the opportunity coming soon.

Also in the interest of sportsmanship I would like to commend the players, coaches, AND parents of the Homestead team. They have obviously had a "challenging" season but in the game i saw them play they were a Class Act. They were getting beat pretty badly but the boys played hard until the end, they never got cheap like some teams did when the game was lost, they did not talk smack.... The coaches were not complaining about the ref's or screaming at the kids... The parents supported their boys until the end, were good natured about the plight, respectful of the other team, and they did not have any or those (%$)*&^ annoying cow bells that some parents like. From what i saw the Homestead team is learning some of the most important life lessons for HS athletics. A classy bunch of folks from Ft Wayne - I just wish more teams and fans would follow their lead

Back to business-I predict the in two weeks the final result will be
1 CMA
2 Carmel
3 HC
4 Brebuef
5 Zville

Anyone out there have a different opinion????

[PacersguyUSA]

TJack

Anyone out there have a different opinion????

Yes, I have a different opinion than yours regarding Homestead. When were were beating them fairly soundly, they became chippy in the 3rd and 4th quarters, dishing out many cheap shots.

However, they aren't the worst team out there, and their fans were pretty respectful.

[TJack08]

LaxDad! Great point about Homestead. I'd say the same of Guerin. They take poundings week after week, but show up and give it their best. What do you think is more difficult? Being a top squad that pounds the opposition and runs up scores, or the team that is on the receiving end of those poundings. I can see how the kids on the weaker teams can get frustrated, and I appreciate that they still show up. I know that the score has an effect on rankings, but there is nothing worse than running up a score against a weak opponent, then celebrating and high-fiving in their faces. I've seen it many times out here. Every time I see it, I'd like to see those same players head to Baltimore and get beaten 30-0 and see how they like it. It's just rude.

Let me provide a disclaimer that I should have given earlier. I am not a coach, a parent of a lacrosse player, nor have I played in quite some time. I moved out here from the East and just enjoy watching the game. So I have no vested interest in any team in Indiana. I'm not favoring anyone. I don't know many of the players' names, but have come to recognize some of the top performers. I try to be as objective as I can.

Now, here's how I'd rank the teams going into the Championship rounds.

1. Culver
2. Carmel
3. Heritage
4. Zionsville
5. Brebeuf

LaxDad, I flipped Brebeuf and Z'ville because I am not sure how consistently the Braves will play. They do seem to show up large in the important games though.

A possible spoiler could be the Cathedral Irish. I don't see them winning the championship, but they could end someone's dream if they have a good day. You never know.

Here's a good example of my prognostication skills. I am heading east this weekend to hang with some lax buddies and see two D1 games in Annapolis. I predicted that Duke would beat Providence (which they did easily), and that North Carolina would beat Navy. So far, so good. Then I thought I'd be watching a Maryland-Virginia rematch on Sunday, since surely the Terps could beat UMBC and Virginia would beat Delaware. Way wrong! UMBC humbled the Terps. Then, the biggest upset in memory - Delaware took it to Virginia. The score was tied at 7, and the Blue Hens ripped off 7 straight goals to beat the defending champs. Incredible. It would be like Guerin beating Carmel in the playoffs. So this tells me two things. First, this game is very unpredictable and any team can beat another team on any given day. Second, I'll be watching Delaware vs. UMBC on Sunday!

By the way, where can I find the playoff schedule and location of games?

[ZvilleLax30]

We play at our field Jennings at 1 on Saturday. We are either playing Bishop Luers or Westfield, i think. If there arn't any upsets it will be Zville vs. Heritage and Carmel vs. Culver in the Semi finals. But with Brebuef and Cathedral in there who knows...

[Zvillechamps07]

ok back to culver. they have 2 players and thats it parchmen(ive seen him play and all his shots are lucky), and micceli(he's a long stick and can be taken down easily) we are the number one ranked team for a good reason all of are players are good. we may have got unlucky against some teams but we should rock the state championship. i hope we play culver cuz we have somethin to prove we did it last year and we will do it again thats all for now.

[laxdad88]

Zvillechamps07/zvillelax30 - I really hope your stick skills match up to your confidence level.

How many teams have you played that had a lax power rating of over 90? You played 3 and lost to two of them and beat the third by 1. Bad day, it was snowing, we played bad, the stars were not aligned, the lines on the field were bad, our All-Everythings played bad --- whatever excuse you want to toss that way.

It is a shame that Culver and Carmel will play in the Semi's. I think that will be a better game than the finals - assuming you guys beat HC - unlike the first time you played them.

My money is on HC to win Friday and the CMA /Carmel game is a toss up.

Tjack - in reference to you last post; I am also against coaches running up the score just to pump up the laxpower ratings UNLESS they are playing the team that Zvillechamps07/zvillelax30 is on---- then don't pull out the starters until you hit triple digits!

In a week and

[ZvilleLax30]

Wow its amazing how personal you got. And I don't think I ever said it was assured that we would win state. I was just trying to defend my team and teammates from the abuse we are taking from grown adults. Not even the kids that are actually going to play.

Ok I don't know who the other Zville kid is. I wouldn't assume he actually is from zionsville. Really funny for your to put your birthday the same as mine. I sure Laxdad and Tjack are assuming thats me but it's not.

Heritage has lost to two teams over 90 (recently). Brebeuf has lost to 3. Carmel and Culver have too. What's your point? The top five teams are all really close, you could even throw St. Joe's and Cathedral in there. And I don't think I ever said it was assured or said that we would win state. It all depends who shows up on the given day.

I think this will be a very exciting and hard-fought tournament. Good luck to everyone.

[TJack08]

Personal? I've never mentioned one name, nor do I actually know any players on your team. I recall you being the one who said that your goalie, defenseman, and faceoff man would embarrass me. I agreed that they probably would - today. I'm sure that all three are top D1 talent and will go on to play for Hopkins or Maryland. I'll be home this weekend watching the NCAA tournament in Annapolis. I'll tell them about some top recruiting prospects in Zionsville, Indiana. I'm sure they've heard about them.

Anyway, all I've done is comment on each team. I suppose the only thing I've said to offend the Z'ville team is that I felt they are ranked higher than I would expect. It's hard to judge when Zville has only played 11 games, 6 of those against unranked teams. Of the ranked teams, Zville lost to two of them. I'm not attacking your team. I'm questioning the ratings system, just as many question the BCS polls each year. I mean, Ohio State was ranked number 1 in football when they met Florida in the championship game. The rating systems aren't perfect, but I still like them.

So, Zville30, just relax. Play your game and, if you win the Championship, bask in the glory of being the best team in Indiana. It's a very, very, shallow pool out here, but you'll be the big fish!

[ZvilleLax30]

First off I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to laxdad. And at that time I thought you might have been someone that has never played lacrosse, but clearly you have alot of experiance and I definantly respect you. I apologize for insulting you. I have to admit that post was really late and during AP week so it was kinda high stress. Again sorry for insulting you. Don't worry I am aware that on the big scheme a lacrosse, Indiana is a small speck.

On the ratings system, do you think there could be another way? Do theyhey use laxpower all around the US? What else could they do, would there be like a big lacrosse conference where bids are picked like in NCAA basketball? (these questions are purly that questions. I am curious and don't want these to come off as sarcastic or condecending. Sometimes it is hard to tell on the internet)

[laxdad88]

Hey Zvillelax30 - I did not mean to sound like i was personally attacking you. But if you toss out something i disagree with i will state my opinion. And if you are annoying or arrogant (in my opinion) then i will probably cheer for the team you are playing just to cool your jets a bit. I honestly don't think Zville in as good as some of the other teams like Carmel, HC or Culver -- But you guys have the opportunity to prove me wrong. I will hopefully have the chance to watch you guys play this afternoon.

I also think the laxpower rating system is a lot like the BCS. It is a good indicator but not perfect by any stretch. That is why they have the play offs.

Good luck to all teams and may the best team win

[warriorlax99]

So how are are the all-state teams assembled?

[Cartel]

Voting from the coaches, expect mostly Indy kids.

[warriorlax99]

Yeah i figured Indy kids.... rich boys

[warriorlax99]

Hey Zionsville kid, calm down there, chap.

[cclaxer]

I do think the Culver v. Culver game might be a better game than the state championship but i think depending on who shows up to play any team can win it now. I think Culver has to drive down to indy after school on friday so that might effect how well they play since is is a two hour bus ride but i still expect nothing less than an amazing game out of them. Indianalacrosse.org has the times each teams are playing. We play Culver at 8 im sure its because of their trip.

[TJack08]

Hey, Zville! Indy still has a long way to go. But remember, lacrosse has been played in the east for almost a century. I think for as young as the sport is here, it's really growing at a fantastic rate. I see great leaps both in Zionsville and Carmel. I should not have been sarcastic and I do apologize. I appreciate how far the teams have come out here, and I really enjoy watching, especially the hot teams like Carmel, Culver, Zville and Heritage.
I will try to attend every game in the upcoming playoffs and will be cheering every team. I have no favorite. I just love seeing the excellent play.
Best of luck, Zville! I'll be watching and hope to see you and your teammates work your magic!

[laxdad88]

Well we are a couple of days from the finals so all trash talking will be comng to an end. It is a shame that Culver and carmel face off on Friday night - I think they are the two strongest teams in the state. unfortunately one of them will probably walk home with 3rd place.

I saw 3 quarters of the Zville game last weekend and they looked solid and pretty tough. Although they looked good, my question remains about how they will play against a tougher team.

I was surprised to see how close the carmel and HC games were in last weekend. I thought there wouold have been a larger margin - carmel won by 2 and HC won by only 1.

Good luck to all

[TJack08]

Yes, indeed, LaxDad! This is the time of the season when every team deserves our utmost respect.
Good Luck to all!

[warriorlax99]

So whos in the final? Isnt it this weekend?

[cjapejhh]

the final four is hc vs. zionsville at 6, and carmel vs. culver at 8... winners play sat night at 8

[Gannonthecannon]

Alright first off im not trying to upset anyone in anyway

but i personally think this years all-state recipents were in the completely wrong order.

now goin off of facts, last years all-state selections for att and midfield went in order of leading scorers in theyre repective categories to the lowest.

now granted i am a good personal freind and teamate of chris uselmann from westfield, but any of you that played against us can testify to his skill.

Looking at the top three scorers, only one of which got first team all state, and he was the second leading scorer, not the number one. that is just wrong.

Bret from lures is a good player, now granted they didnt play a very strong schedule and it could have attributed to his final tally, but still, to score 84 points, and average 5,25 a game is pretty decent. i think its wrong he didnt make first team.

I honestly dont see how he gets beat out for first team all-state by two guys who only scored 53 and 51 points respectively.

now back to chris, as a MIDFIELDER he scored 60 points, and averaged 4.3 a game. He was the third overall scorer as well as third in points per game. only being passed by two ATTACKMEN. once again, its pure fact that attackmen are on the feild all the time. he was able to still get 4.3 points a game being on the feild about a third less of the time as the other two.

Now to look at who beat chris for First team all-state midfield. Scott law with 44 points, 3.1 a game. Grant Straton with 37 points and 2.3 a game. And finally Scott Schmadeke with 49 points 3 a game. now no offense to those players, becuase they are all great players, but base on points, theres no way chris shouldnt have been over them.

Now to long stick midfeild. From my recolection, which could be wrong, the long stick from heritage was pretty good. But im sure greg miceli is pretty upset he got passed up by a player who had 2 assists. Greg, an all-canadian selection, averaged 1.6 points a game, and finished the season with 19 goals and 18 assists. Now i must point out, he did use a short stick on man up, but a large percent of his points came from his longstick. And just to put things into perspective, he had over twice as many points on the season as one of the midfeilders choosen for Honorable Mention all-state.

I could go on and on about these, but ill leave you with these final thoughts. The all-state is choosen by the coaches, and i personally think theres a lot of coaches who take out grudges towards other coaches on players and also didnt vote for certain players out of spite and pettiness.

[PacersguyUSA]

Yeah no one from our team will ever get any all-state honors because the coaches hate NC. Not that we had anyone deserving this year, but last year we sure did.

Oh well, I don't really care that much.

[TJack08]

Well, Cannon, you are sadly correct. The voting is generally a joke.

Chris Uselmann is a fine player and was hurt more by the fact that he played on a team with no offense. He really was forced to carry the team on his back in many games, scoring mainly in unsettled situations. It would have been nice to see him play with a stronger squad. (Overheard at Westfield game: "Westfield's idea of extra man offense is throwing the ball around in a circle until they drop it." I found that this was indeed true.)

Worse yet, Andy Parchman of Culver. This is hilarious. Parchman is from Baltimore and is the best midfielder in the State. He is also the only player recruited to a Division 1 school. The rest on the recruiting list are going to chump D3 schools or will walk on to college club teams.

Just ignor these awards. They mean nothing to anyone except the parents and coaches who wish they were important. Send any one of these kids east and they'll be watching from the bench - up in the upper deck of the bleachers that is!

[Cartel]

Who cares Gannon, yeah it's good recognition but he still gets to play, and get smoked by some Cincy All-Star team, the 1st team midfielders were all deserving, you may be right about your boyfriend Uselmen but he probably scored all his goals against Laporte and North Central.

[PacersguyUSA]

Who cares Gannon, yeah it's good recognition but he still gets to play, and get smoked by some Cincy All-Star team, the 1st team midfielders were all deserving, you may be right about your boyfriend Uselmen but he probably scored all his goals against Laporte and North Central.

We didn't play Westfield this year, and last year we beat Westfield.

[cclaxer]

Gannon i agree with you about how the selections could have been much better, i think the main reson uselman didnt get choosen is because westfield did play some fairly bad teams this year and he is a junior, other than that i cant think of one single reason he did deserve it. However i dont think he can compare to grant straton who has the best shot ever out of carmel and possibly indiana. And greg mecili is by far the sickest longstick in the state, points aside he never misses a gb or a pass. When we played heritage i couldnt tell there lsm from anyone else. But ever since we played culver all we talked about them was how good that number 16 kid was. I hope he tries ot for team indiana haha but its unlikely.

[Gannonthecannon]

haha well first off erin i know you and grant have a little thing goin...but all that aside he isnt the best shooter at carmel or the state.

Have you already forgotten about Mark Wade? no one can deny that mark had an absolute cannon. Not to mention Swharts (not sure how to spell his last name and i am drawing a blank for his first, barretts older brother) but he also was a great shooter from carmel.

[naptownlax101]

its official culver are the state champs

[Gannonthecannon]

tjack- technically parchman wasnt recruited for an athletic scholarship because harvard doesnt give out athletic scholarships.

[Three Eagles]

Parchman was an official recruit ( offered official visit paid by the recruiting school)even though the Ivy League deosn't allow athletic scholarships by rule. He was recruited by 12 D I schools and dozens of DIII. He made the top 205 Camp All Star roster and played with the awesome Maryland Redshirts this past summer where they played in the Natioanl Tournament of Champions and went against Miccelli's team from Canada in the finals. His brother CMA 04 plays for DI Air Force, three year letter winner, rising senior. Culver plays a truly national schedule and beat some good teams from Ohio and Virginia, not to mention Rockhurst. The PPGs are wrong on the site as it lists Culver playing 3 more games than they did, thereby understating everyones PPG. These stats don't tell the whole story anyway without gound balls, turnovers, face-off percentage, etc. PS Harvard had the second best face-off guy in D I after Alex Smith of Delaware. He is graduating.

The fact that Culver only had three All States at any level was unfair. Culver represents the state of Indiana, as do other schools that play outside the state, very well on and off the field. The fact that Culver will have three players on D I rosters next year raises the profile for the whole state. Culver has three parents or alums on the US LAcrosse Foundation Board of Trustees and they also trumpet the growth and success of Indiana Lacrosse.

[laxdad88]

I would like to toss in my 2 cents – especially on the All State selections.

I watched the games on Saturday. I wanted to watch the games on Friday but did not feel like putting on my bathing suit. I thought the 6:00 Saturday game was going to be Carmel and HC but evidently in IN we play consolation rounds for 13th place but not 3rd??? Go figure

First of all to Zvillelax30 – you guys played a very good game against Culver and surprised me – I will give a lot of the credit to your goalie for keeping the game very close until the 4th qtr when Culver woke up and blew it out. Your goalie had a great game and is very deserving of his all state selection

Most of the other All State selections are a joke and who ever came up with them should be embarrassed. It only shows that the old boy system and politics are alive and well in the IHSLA. There should be some logic to who gets awards – and naturally you would think that the best teams would get the most selections. I am not saying anything against the kids – but just the system.

My questions are,
--How does a team (Culver) with only 3 All Stars win state?? Especially against teams with 7 All stars Zville, 7 HC, 6 Carmel and 5 St Joe. Prachman and Law both got 2 awards each so I only counted them once

--How does an 8-8 team (st Joe) with a pretty easy schedule get 5 awards. If ½ of the team are all stars they should have done a lot better. And 3 of the 5 all have the same last name

How does a player –parchman --win Player of the Year and not get 1st team in his main position

How does a 3-13 team (Homestead) with a very easy schedule have ANYONE on the all star team – especially a D pole?? Based on the scores, I bet the opposing team took their starters out around ½ time or earlier

How does the HC LSM get first team with 2 points and the Culver kid gets second team with 37 points and some pretty wild stick skills from what I saw on Saturday night

How does the leading scorer (from B Luers) in IN get 2nd team with 84 points but the 7th place scorer (from Brebuef) gets 1st team with 51 points

How do the 2 top scoring Midfielders get 2nd team with 60 points (tied for 3 in overall scoring) each but the 1st teamers were ranked 10,16, and 23 in scoring. And the Mid (culver) that was ranked 12 in overall state scoring (4th for mids) did not even get Hon Mention??

Why are there 3 Hon Men awards for LSM but only 1 for goalie?

I could go on but I have hopefully made my point. If this is the kind a trash they are going to give out as awards, why don’t they just predetermine the awards and give them out at the beginning of the season. OR maybe they should put next years awards on ebay and just let the bidding start now

Looking ahead to next year I say that carmel will be the team to beat with HC close behind. Just looking at the rosters it appears that both have pretty young Varsity squads. Culver and Zville look like graduation will take a heavy toll.

Thanks for a fun season and I look forward to next year

[cclaxer]

parchman is a great player without a doubt, but if you took away the fact that he is by far the sickest face off guy in indiana he isn't that amazing. he still has solid stick skills and is a good athlete but he just doesn't seem like the guy who will score everytime he touches the ball. and going off of three eagles point yes culver does represent our state very well and they are a great team, but shouldn't they be a great team when they take players from everywhere, parchman-baltamore, mecili-canada, mikinly-texas. so honestly they should be the best team it the state.

[brumdum]

To Laxdad and everyone really

You are correct. Indiana lacrosse is politics. Paul Borchelt is the worst President a state could have for overseeing lacrosse. The power rankings are horrible in the way they give 3 points to the away team. I know that my team (bishop chatard) did not have too great of a season. The only committed players are playing in college. It seems like the All-state picks were influenced by the relationship between the team's coach and Paul.

Yseterday my team had 5 substitutes for our games against snider and lafayette. The rest of the team quit because they lacked committment. Struggling to score due to tired middies, I had this great feed to our leading scorer who scored while being man down against snider. Paul came down out of the stands and had the goal wiped off because one of our d-poles, his first year playing, released a penalty at the 1 instead of the release call.

Paul holds grudges like no one else could. We played Brebeuf terribly and therefore ended up getting physical. I'm sure we hold a repuation of being dirty/hard-hitting. I don't like this. Chatard never has the really talented players, but we work hard ya know? Brebuefs parents were yelling at our players and attempting to talk "crap" to them while in the penalty box.

I am disgusted at the state of indiana lacrosse. The power rankings need to be revised. The all-state recommendations need to be based on how they play, not the points they score, the amount of brown-nosing they do to other coaches/Paul, or personal favorites. The amount of sht talking is absurd and for moronic reasons.

I believe there was at least one defenseman and one midfielder on my team that are both playing at Mount St. Josephs that deserve to be at least honored. In my eyes they played their freakin balls off this season and basically held our program together while we got a new coach.

We started training and had a guy come from ohio to play. By the new ohio rules he couldn't play because he was home-schooled. We were denied him being able to play for our team; however, the first game Pike played him after the committee said he couldn't play for us. Complete bs. I thought this was a club sport where you could play from any school. Some of you cathedral guys know mike mercho. He was expelled and let back in from cathedral under dumb circumstances. He felt that he didn't receive respect for even coming out to practices. He tried to come play for chatard but was again denied by Gruber.

Paul is a dead man walking. Somebody needs to take over and do a better less concieted job of running this states lacrosse.


Congrats to Culver and everyone else that played in the tournament. I promise that chatard will not talk sht for winning the consolation tourney. Trust me, we feel dissapointed and do not want the award because we believed that we could make it to the reg. playoffs

Good luck next year

Andy Brumleve #3 Attack
Bishop Chatard


P.S. Another problem is the HSE game we had with a fight that wasn't controlled or handled correctly. It's long and if anyone wants to hear it I'll be sure to explain it all.

[Cartel]

I'd like to hear it, what did you fight about?

[PacersguyUSA]

To Laxdad and everyone really

You are correct. Indiana lacrosse is politics. Paul Borchelt is the worst President a state could have for overseeing lacrosse. The power rankings are horrible in the way they give 3 points to the away team. I know that my team (bishop chatard) did not have too great of a season. The only committed players are playing in college. It seems like the All-state picks were influenced by the relationship between the team's coach and Paul.

Yseterday my team had 5 substitutes for our games against snider and lafayette. The rest of the team quit because they lacked committment. Struggling to score due to tired middies, I had this great feed to our leading scorer who scored while being man down against snider. Paul came down out of the stands and had the goal wiped off because one of our d-poles, his first year playing, released a penalty at the 1 instead of the release call.

Paul holds grudges like no one else could. We played Brebeuf terribly and therefore ended up getting physical. I'm sure we hold a repuation of being dirty/hard-hitting. I don't like this. Chatard never has the really talented players, but we work hard ya know? Brebuefs parents were yelling at our players and attempting to talk "crap" to them while in the penalty box.

I am disgusted at the state of indiana lacrosse. The power rankings need to be revised. The all-state recommendations need to be based on how they play, not the points they score, the amount of brown-nosing they do to other coaches/Paul, or personal favorites. The amount of sht talking is absurd and for moronic reasons.

I believe there was at least one defenseman and one midfielder on my team that are both playing at Mount St. Josephs that deserve to be at least honored. In my eyes they played their freakin balls off this season and basically held our program together while we got a new coach.

We started training and had a guy come from ohio to play. By the new ohio rules he couldn't play because he was home-schooled. We were denied him being able to play for our team; however, the first game Pike played him after the committee said he couldn't play for us. Complete bs. I thought this was a club sport where you could play from any school. Some of you cathedral guys know mike mercho. He was expelled and let back in from cathedral under dumb circumstances. He felt that he didn't receive respect for even coming out to practices. He tried to come play for chatard but was again denied by Gruber.

Paul is a dead man walking. Somebody needs to take over and do a better less concieted job of running this states lacrosse.


Congrats to Culver and everyone else that played in the tournament. I promise that chatard will not talk sht for winning the consolation tourney. Trust me, we feel dissapointed and do not want the award because we believed that we could make it to the reg. playoffs

Good luck next year

Andy Brumleve #3 Attack
Bishop Chatard


P.S. Another problem is the HSE game we had with a fight that wasn't controlled or handled correctly. It's long and if anyone wants to hear it I'll be sure to explain it all.

Wow...never thought I'd hear a Chatard player complain about the ranking system, if the '06 season rings a bell (you were 3-12 with losses to Noblesville & Westfield, while NC was 7-4 with wins over Noblesville & Westfield, yet Chatard makes the playoffs and NC does not).

But other than that, nice post. I agree with a lot of it.

[brumdum]

Haha we all are still surprised that we made it in. Not like we made it anywhere. Thats exactly my point we sucked and we shouldn't made it in.

yeah we just have to get parents and other coaches to agree with that and maybe it'll change some

[Three Eagles]

Paul Borshelt is a good president,a knowledgeable lax guy, and a high character man. What the state ought to consider is dividng the state into an A and B division and make the teams only face state opponenets in their division. Shooting and scoring aren't the total make up of a great player. Ground balls, clears, not turning the ball over, shooting percentage, not being selfish are just as important, if not more. Parchman scored over 50% of his shots Saturday. He was the leading goal scorer for a middie in the state and Culver had the toughest strenght of schedule. He and other starters were taken out of the games against Homestead and Park Tudor in the second quarter of those games. He was the leading scorer at Gilman school in Baltimore on the middle school team - a school that knows lacrosse. Guys who shoot a lot into the goalie net and create face break opportntunites for the opponents won't make it for a second in college at any level.

Culver would love to have more Indiana lax players. Visit the school beyond the athletic fields, meet the students. They have six kids going to Ivy League schools this year as well as Stanford, Middelbury, Michigan (3) Carolina, Vanderbilt (4), Air Force, Northwestern, Depauw (3) Wellesley (2) and a host of other great schools. They have abundant financial aid for students who need it and needs blind scholarships like the Batten and the Duchoisois. Check them out and apply.

Next year : Fox,Miccelli, Hibbler, McKinley, Bollman and Watanabe will all be back. They have some pretty strong underclassman in defense that will be stepping up. Posner is an excellent coach and more kids from around the country and Canada are inquiring about the opportunity to play Culver lax. Posner knows the college recruitng system and with the success of some of our kids, colleges will take a Culver kid seriuosly if he has the test scores, grades and the ability.

However, with the game growing at the youth level, especially in Indy, Culver will need all the help they can get to compete. Remember, they are a boarding school, not alot of youth lax leagues in Marshall County, Indiana - only 430 boys at the school so they need alot of two sport athletes to field as many competitive teams as they do. Kids come form 35 states and 20 foreign countries so the lacrosse pool is thin. Send them your kids who are serious about lax and academics. The military is Leadership system, sort of like the boy scout program so don't let that scare you off. It is a myth that they take troubled kids, they don't. Some of our hockey/lax players take some time to adjsut form the chippy game in the rink to the turf, but Posner and Yeager (ps read his great book on lacrosse found at uslacrosse.org) don't put up with bad language or cheap shot play.

[Cartel]

Laxdad why are you complaining about the consolation? All 3 games, Pike-Laf, Chatard-Snider, and Chatard-Laf were all decided by 1 goal, that's good lax.

[Cartel]

Oh well, Brebuef isn't winning anything anytime soon.

[Gannonthecannon]

parchman wasnt the leading scorer for middies, he only had 2.4 ppg. uselmann and schmadeke both had more.

[warriorlax99]

I think EVERY team should have AT LEAST ONE all star selection. It's only fair.

[kyl3ray]

I think EVERY team should have AT LEAST ONE all star selection. It's only fair.

yeah, i agree with that for the most part. but it wouldnt be truely depicting who the best players are. even the best players on certain teams arent as good as the average player in a different team. and as all of you know Indiana has quite a wide assortment of teams as far as skill level goes.

[Three Eagles]

The PPGs are wrong, they had Culver playing more games than they did because of cancellations due to weather. Also I meant Goal scoring, not assists. Plus if you look at scoring where the opponent had a power ranking of 90.0 or more, it wouldn't even be close.

[laxdad88]

Hey Warriorlax, I appreciate what you are saying but i think that is what the team MVP awards are for. An All State award should go to the best player(s) at that position in the state. HOW the coaches determine that is tough. I was only going off scoring but even that it not perfect just by itself. A attachman that has 45 goals against a very tough schedue is probably better than a guy that has 60 goals against an easly schedule.

Also as kyl3ray points out that in IN there are some strong mature programs and there are some young start up. If Zville played Concord it probably would not be pretty and we do not want the coaches to leave their stars in just to pump up the stats.

I don't know what the correct answer is on how to pick the All star awards but there should be some logic behind it that everyone (or most everyone) agrees to. As I siad in my earlier post, I don't see that logic in the system now

[brumdum]

Agreed^^ Schedule helps determine award

[laxdad88]

Hey Cartel
I don't mean to be nasty but, If the consolation games were decided by only 1 goal then that makes it "a close game" but not neccessarily "good lax" Please remember that those teams were going for 13th place in a state that only has 23 teams. The difference in power ratings is Culver at 92.95 and chatard is 77.91

Again, I don't want to be mean, just realistic

[Cartel]

Hey Cartel
I don't mean to be nasty but, If the consolation games were decided by only 1 goal then that makes it "a close game" but not neccessarily "good lax" Please remember that those teams were going for 13th place in a state that only has 23 teams. The difference in power ratings is Culver at 92.95 and chatard is 77.91

Again, I don't want to be mean, just realistic


Give it a rest Laxdad. That was good lax, who are you to say it isn't? You remind me of our former parent board, I graduated and our parent board consisted of a bunch of jerkoffs who thought they knew what was best for the team. I don't care who you are or what JV team your son plays on just give it a rest.

[naptownlax101]

yea it was okay quality of lax. passing and catchin couldve been better but we live in indiana, i was at the game so i can give more input

[warriorlax99]

Thanks, I understand... So who likes harrow d-poles?

[naptownlax101]

i do i do i like em

[laxplaya123]

Paul Borshelt is a good president,a knowledgeable lax guy, and a high character man. What the state ought to consider is dividng the state into an A and B division and make the teams only face state opponenets in their division. Shooting and scoring aren't the total make up of a great player. Ground balls, clears, not turning the ball over, shooting percentage, not being selfish are just as important, if not more. Parchman scored over 50% of his shots Saturday. He was the leading goal scorer for a middie in the state and Culver had the toughest strenght of schedule. He and other starters were taken out of the games against Homestead and Park Tudor in the second quarter of those games. He was the leading scorer at Gilman school in Baltimore on the middle school team - a school that knows lacrosse. Guys who shoot a lot into the goalie net and create face break opportntunites for the opponents won't make it for a second in college at any level.

Culver would love to have more Indiana lax players. Visit the school beyond the athletic fields, meet the students. They have six kids going to Ivy League schools this year as well as Stanford, Middelbury, Michigan (3) Carolina, Vanderbilt (4), Air Force, Northwestern, Depauw (3) Wellesley (2) and a host of other great schools. They have abundant financial aid for students who need it and needs blind scholarships like the Batten and the Duchoisois. Check them out and apply.

Next year : Fox,Miccelli, Hibbler, McKinley, Bollman and Watanabe will all be back. They have some pretty strong underclassman in defense that will be stepping up. Posner is an excellent coach and more kids from around the country and Canada are inquiring about the opportunity to play Culver lax. Posner knows the college recruitng system and with the success of some of our kids, colleges will take a Culver kid seriuosly if he has the test scores, grades and the ability.

However, with the game growing at the youth level, especially in Indy, Culver will need all the help they can get to compete. Remember, they are a boarding school, not alot of youth lax leagues in Marshall County, Indiana - only 430 boys at the school so they need alot of two sport athletes to field as many competitive teams as they do. Kids come form 35 states and 20 foreign countries so the lacrosse pool is thin. Send them your kids who are serious about lax and academics. The military is Leadership system, sort of like the boy scout program so don't let that scare you off. It is a myth that they take troubled kids, they don't. Some of our hockey/lax players take some time to adjsut form the chippy game in the rink to the turf, but Posner and Yeager (ps read his great book on lacrosse found at uslacrosse.org) don't put up with bad language or cheap shot play.


You may think hes a good president, but i agree with brumdum, believe me i play for him!!!!

[warriorlax99]

you got one? do reccomend em?

[LPLAX13]

i do not know how we were number one in the polls

[warriorlax99]

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