Bratton bros. Anyone else angered?

[sean350]

So, I watched the Bratton bros video on the site today, and after watching it was left with a dilemma. If I am a college coach, would I want to recruit these guys? They seem way too full of themselves. Maybe they're not, but the video seems to tell the tale. Sure they're talented, but at what price for team chemistry?
I'm a high school coach and preach selflessness and humility. I don't care how talented these kids are, they'd be riding the pine at my school if they didn't change their attitude. The way it works is this: Player has an attitude. Coach says change your attitude, or you sit. Player doesn't change attitude, they sit. Player changes attitude, they play. Repeat until player has lesson learned. Simple.

I also found it interesting that they chose to highlight their celebrations on the video. Why in the world would they do that? No coach in the universe wants kids like that on their team. Do they want the athleticism? Of course. But the showboating cr@p has no place in sports, especially not the HS or college level. Knowing a bunch of HS and college coaches, I know that the coaches who do allow that stuff are looked down upon by their peers.

If you're a college coach, its hard not to recruit them for their athleticism, but only the top schools could afford to tell them, "Guys, cut that showboating out, or you wont play here". If you are a lower level school, you don't have that option. Hopefully Starsia teaches them their lesson ASAP.
-Sean

[RockfordAttack9]

WOAH, take it easy, I wouldnt call that showboating, from the looks of it they are just having a good time. To your first question though, it does make me mad that the Brattons are on the cover. It should be one of the top 10 Blue Chips! Not 2 of the top 50 (probably in the top 10) Seniors.

[Laxer1241]

who are these people you are talking about.Post a link

[laxman 9990]

i totally agree, way to much showboating.i know these are the "best" recruits or whatever,but their lacrosse clips didnt really show much,except some checks and some decent shots. their football clips look alright, but they need to tone down the "hype"

[sean350]

Here's a link to the vid: http://www.insidelacrosse.com/page2.cfm?pagerid=14&gallery=135987&hidecontent=yes
They're also on the cover of this months IL.
-Sean

[ByrdDpole]

Wow...they're amazing...at both Football and lacrosse. I agree, I don't think they'r e showboating, just having fun playing.

[dta06]

Ive played d against these guys once during summer league 2 years ago. they were really good. im not surprised there top recruits

[sean350]

My definition of showboating is whether the opposing team might be more upset, uncomfortable or angry due to the reactions of the players involved (or not involved, I guess) with the goal/basket/touchdown, whatever. I know that if a bunch of opposing players saw them do their pop the collar routine (which was obviously premeditated, i.e. they didn't just do it in reaction to their happiness for scoring the goal), they would be mad. Also, the refs may call an unsportsmanlike. Big difference between enjoying the game and acting like a jerk. Sorry Brattons... you may be great guys, but you're discrediting your game on the field.
-Sean

[CoUgArLAX18]

I actually think there celebrations are a good thing. There just having fun and that'll rub off on their teamates and pumps up the fans. So I think it just brings a good atmosphere to the game.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Ok so they have a hand shake, big deal, they're twins they probably came up with that one day at home. And as for "showboating" I really don't see anything bad or stuff that makes me think "wow what a holes" I've seen far worse stuff before. And no their not discrediting anything they do on the field I don't see how they are. They're great players havin a good time, theres nothing wrong with that.

[radman]

They were just celebrating, it wasnt like they were taunting or trash talking the other team. They didnt appeal to be acting like a$$holes, by comparison to Strong Island lax players, they didnt appear to be FLID's.

I've seen guys who have scored goals pump their fist or point at the other goalies and put their thumb down.

But hey I think this was a recruitment video. Besides Starsia likes athletes more than good technical lax players.

Looking at the lax part of the video, we see a lot of scoring from the outside, which means they can crank. Besides their role model is Mikey Powell as it was mentioned.

[DatDude15]

When they are that good they have the right to do that

[smooth87]

I pretty sure that wasn't the film they sent out to coaches. That was probably a highlight film they made themselves.

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

there good, they dont showboat that much, just look like there having fun

[LymanLax28]

Wow, those guys are just amazing all-around athletes. That was what really got me, yeah, they're great lacrosse players, but they're outstanding basketball and football players as well.

[lax1191]

to me it looks more like their having fun. There wasn't much lacrosse highlights on the video though. Other than the handshake they didn't really do much. Since their twins I think the handshake is a special thing they have and I actually think it's pretty cool. In football they did a bit of showboating with all the touchdown dives. In the NFL theres a bunch of that but there not in the NFL.

[bkball00]

smooth87 is right who would send a videotape to a coach with a bunch of celebrations on it. they arent stupid because they would think somebody would feel the way that sean 350 feels about them and not want that coach to feel that way about them. they are really good athletes anyway and just having fun and that handshake was with scott kocis so its not all their fault.

[BioPro29]

How the hell can you completely judge them like that without even talking to them. All you saw was them doing some celebrations after some amazing plays. If i ever pulled off one a goal (or touchdown, or dunk) of that caliber i'd want to celebrate with my teammates too. There really isn't any way you can get an accurate judgement of their character from that video.

[mrmccool]

it looks to me like a new company that specializes in highlight videos. it's probably a sample of what kind of video the place can make for you, so they throw in fun stuff

[BwineLAX42]

As said above how are you going to trash these guys by just watching a video. They are 2 highschool kids having fun thats it. Why don't we wait for the season to come around and stop this mid september trash talk.

[Eclipse]

Thats probably not a tape they used to be recruited. To be honest with you, when your considered top in the nation, you dont need to send videos like that to coaches, they come watch you. It was likely a Video Inside lax used to put on there site, that they made.

Also lay off these kids, they are gonna be huge for lax, and there damn good too. They arent showboating, if you were that good, and had a twin, you would likely have a handshake too.

[westlakelax17]

holy moly, they are crazzy. I dont think they are showboating, they like to have fun.

[laxmiddie8]

I wouldnt really call it showboating they celebrate but dont really showboat. There is a diffrence for instance Mikey Powell showboats (wich i have no problem with) but doesnt really celebrate. The only time they kinda showboated was in the basketball game on the alley oop.

[Sesor]

Really that isn't showboating much. It is just a great adrenaline feeling rush through you and you get pumped after scoring a goal, touchdown or three pointer. Thats the way it is, most of the stuff they do makes me want to go play lacrosse! lol im pumped up!

[FACTKING]

to me it looks more like their having fun. There wasn't much lacrosse highlights on the video though. Other than the handshake they didn't really do much. Since their twins I think the handshake is a special thing they have and I actually think it's pretty cool. In football they did a bit of showboating with all the touchdown dives. In the NFL theres a bunch of that but there not in the NFL.

People got to lighten up , it's a good video .

At least these kids are keeping it real and don't have a steriod arrest or anything like that. :devil:

I hope they have a great career !

[ByrdDpole]

By the way, who's recruiting these kids? Gotta be UVA...and Penn State maybe?

[kamera]

first of all i don't think they're showboating that's just a sweet thing to do after you score. personally if i was on the other team and saw that i would just think it was cool despite being mad about them scoring. but even so, if they can dominate like they are shown there, let them celebrate. some people need to play with swagger in order to play well, and it looks like those kids A) play with swagger, B) have earned the right to play with swagger and C) until the other team can shut them down what are they gonna say about it?

[WHEELAX2]

I had a similar impression, but I'm afraid you really can't judge team chemistry and character by a 2 minute video.

Sure first impressions are important, but you really can't judge a person simply by how they "appear" to be.

You can't argue with state titles though, and if these guys are that big of a problem, I"m sure it would prevent them from achieving team goals like state titles (in multiple sports no less)

[devillax57]

I agree w/ pretty much everybody. Their handshake was in the moment type of thing. They were pumped about a nice play and they did it. They wouldnt do it if they knocked a kid out cold or something like that. And I thought that the Brattons signed to Virginia already? maybe im wrong.

[WHEELAX2]

I agree w/ pretty much everybody. Their handshake was in the moment type of thing. They were pumped about a nice play and they did it. They wouldnt do it if they knocked a kid out cold or something like that. And I thought that the Brattons signed to Virginia already? maybe im wrong.


yeah.. virginia

[devillax57]

And after watching it again I realized that it was only one of the Brattons doing the handshake. So maybe that might change some opinions.

[SwRLaX10D]

I remember playing against them in JV, they were amazing even when they were freshmen! Besides, we played them this year and their skills didnt conflict with the team chemistry (atleast not from my point of view)

[Jugthug42]

Those guys would get dominated in Texas while playing football. They can juke, but our linebackers are just as fast as that. I think they excel at lacrosse though. The basketball highlights were pretty sick though.

[Eclipse]

Those guys would get dominated in Texas while playing football. They can juke, but our linebackers are just as fast as that. I think they excel at lacrosse though. The basketball highlights were pretty sick though.

Who cares? Thats probably why they are going to college to play lax...and i doubt EVERY linebacker in texas is as fast as these kids, they are pretty damn fast.

[crazylegs]

I personally think the game needs more personalities like these guys, talent prevails. Take Mickey Powell he was not just a player he was a personality, a face, same with Harrison. The great ones don't follow somebody else's path they make their own.

honestly if you don't want somebody to showboat then don't let them score. I think personalities like that are good for the popularity of the sport.

[bendover]

I can't put my finger on who was originally credited with this, but when interviewed about "favorite celebrations" here's my favorite ....

Packers RB Ahman Green: :worship:
“I never was one to celebrate too much. I was raised and taught through college that (when) you go to the endzone, you act like you’ve been there before.”

I'd prefer that if guys score, they behave "like they've been there before", although spontaneous hand slapping, hugging, jumping, shouting etc. is fine. Staged and/or choreographed events are weak.

[Sesor]

Its not the fact that they are celebrating that I dont like, its the fact that their celebration dance sucks. I mean, TOs dances were atleast funny and entertaining, Ill give that to him, theirs were just lame.

Yeah defanetly TO and you can't count Chad Johnson out on TD celebrations, they gotta be good! lol :agree:

[jedimasterPIMP]

Those guys would get dominated in Texas while playing football. They can juke, but our linebackers are just as fast as that. I think they excel at lacrosse though. The basketball highlights were pretty sick though.
Wow man I guess every linebacker in Texas runs around a 4.4 40 or something around there. Seriously dude, Texas football is intense, but good is good, and its not even like Long Island is bad at football. Oh and by the way the fastest linebacker on rivals runs a 4.48 and hes from Ohio.

[CHSlax]

While it does seem they showboat a lot maybe thats just the video and maybe they're just having fun and if thats true great cuz there are a lot of high school players who dont have enough fun playing the game. Also they're celebration dance is great lol.

But as a great coach once said, "My goal is to get the players on my team playing for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back".

[hemp_laxer21]

Where is this video?

[hemp_laxer21]

Impressive, but that is extremely hard they are great atheletes in lacrosse,football, and basketball-(notice those are the sports that really matter) as for showboating I saw nothing bad.

[radman]

In the vcideo there were other Hunington Blue Devil players doing their special "handshake dance" May be when they get to Virginia they will think of a different way to celebrate.

Here's one..about a new version of the "Ickey shuffle". :agree:

[Aussie_kid]

i liked their video, it was only at the end that they emphasized the celebrations, they have wicked skills tho, and can break ankles

[sticksave23]

pretty impressive skills, from the video on the link I didn't see that bad show boating. They won't be able to keep playing all those sports if they want to play pro, any idea what they intend to do?

[nativeson]

The only thing bad about this video was the choppy scenes and poor audio.

Otherwise very good video of two kids that have serious athletic ability. Not too many athletes around that can do things that well in multiple sports.

Great pickup for UVA.

[homeskillet313]

in high school, all that celebrating is pretty much expected. especially since i thnik their high school is state caliber in multiple sports. they were just celebrating still being in high school and having fun with it before getting killed in college. now once they start playing for virginia, im sure if they did that some upperclassmen would knock em down a peg as would be expected just because their freshman.

[laxpimp]

Haha, if that was the worse showboating youve ever seen, dont come up to a Canadian game of lax.

[CanuckLax]

There is nothing wrong with enthusiam and celebration. I wonder if this thread would even exist if this twins were white...

[WHEELAX2]

There is nothing wrong with enthusiam and celebration. I wonder if this thread would even exist if this twins were white...


interesting thought....

[fsflaxer30]

You definitely need to chill. These two are sick at not only lacrosse, but football, and basketball. More importantly, they know they're good, so I think they're allowed to express it. Sure they might dive in the endzone when no one's aroud but they aren't allowed to? They aren't allowed to do their special handshake or whatever after they score a goal? There no footage of them talking trash to anyone. If you could juke D-Poles and score at will, you're telling me, you wouldn't be overjoyed?
And obviously coaches like the way they played, because just about every school wanted them

[triathlon0505]

no that didnt anger me. im impressed with their athleticism and abilities in all three sports but in the video itself there was nothing i havent seen from a lacrosse perspective. like the last guy said still a great pickup for uva if they go on to college. great potential, and theyve probably never specialized in lacrosse before.

[rjattack19]

There is nothing wrong with enthusiam and celebration. I wonder if this thread would even exist if this twins were white...

*whistle* yea just had to pull the race card didnt ya :read: ...please dont make it in to some thing its not...i think that they are just having fun. im really sick of people saying stuff like that, i mean not all white people are racist.

[Newickhunt]

Sean, I appreciate your desire for sportsmanship and plea to retain team chemistry...but you need to know who/what you're talking about before you get on a soapbox. Team Chemistry? I'm pretty sure that going 43-0 in their Varsity career and winning TWO State Championships (in one of the top two states for the game in this COUNTRY) means that the chemistry on that team is pretty great. In fact, I know it's great.

Oh, the video was made by their brother - pretty basic stuff - and while it could certainly be cleaner/better edited, it's more of a prideful expression than a boastful one...

You need to stop living in the world of "Leave it to Beaver" and The Hardy Boys novels and come on into the 21st Century with the rest of us. These kids have earned the right to celebrate with each other and their team mates - they're THAT good - and so are the teams they play on. This is what it's all about. These kids DO get in their opponents faces, but only because they CAN.

Like it or not, celebrations are a part of today's sports culture, and as lacrosse's popularity grows the game in all directions, it's going to be a part of the landscape just the way it is in football, basketball, baseball and all the other more traditional sports.

And by the way, Eamon McEneaney (God Rest His Soul) was one of the greatest attackmen in history, and he was ALWAYS talking trash and getting up in the grill of his defenseman, before and after he torched them...

...in 1977.

[doomsday]

We all new this day was coming. For some of us excitement for other's well disappointment and anguish. I am confident from your feelings about the Bratton Bros.. . you are definately the latter (sean 305) :hot: . I have first hand information, biographies, and knowledge on the Bratton Bros. I am here and will bring you the truth as only I can.
1. Who would recruit the top high school athlete's in the nation? (EVERYONE) I would bother to address that but you should have realized how ridiculous that statement was before you wrote it. You call yourself a coach and you would bench your best player's because they are happy and show enthusiasm from success. Coaches put these boy's through the paces of practice, mental as well as physical preparation day in and day out to achieve vistory. After the countless hours of preparation and hardwork from your instruction their not even allowed a chest pound :nahya: . Last time I checked sports were supposed to be fun. By the way coach...What was your record last year? Where is your championship to present to your school. Sat your best players huh...do you even still have that job?

Here is a lesson coach. Truth is sports are about winning. Keep your losing record, moral fibre and code of conduct on a losing team from an unsuccessful coach, running an unsuccessful program, on a no fun, no winning, no championship team. Being on a team and being an athlete is about being number one. To aspire to be and accomplish being the best at what you do. If there is no passion for the game its not worth playing.

The Bratton's are going to revolutionize Lacrosse. They are already being likened to potential greats such as Reggie Bush, and greats like Jim Brown, and Mike Powell. If you don't like that coach you are really going to hate this.

Football , Basketball , Lacrosse undefeated....Shamel wears number 1 coach. You know his name, his number, and now you know WHY :worship: . And God made two of them (Rhamel). They are the best you will ever see. Consider yourself lucky. The next time you see these guys you will have to pay for it. As far as Coach Starsia teaching the twins how to act and play, maybe you should take a lesson on how to coach at the real level. By the way Virginia was the best last year and won it all.
Not impressed with their highlight real huh. Sorry guys their undefeated...nothing but highlights. Truth is they are the best now, tomorrow, and the next day that you will ever see whether you like it or not.
Sit back and enjoy the show or just go down like the rest. It really doesn't matter the result will be the same. In the game of sports like just as in life there are winner's and loser's. We already know the Bratton's are winner's...Now ask yourself...what are you? No hard feelings right...but it is the Truth....LOL :devil:

[PK914]

Thanks triathlon0505 for knowing that the Brattons play three (3) sports. When they get to UVa and lacrosse becomes their life WOW! :worship: :worship:

[laxxkidd07]

i kind of think they are dancing or flirting with the line between showboating and having fun. there's a lot of room for discussion but when it comes down to it, lacrosse is not about chest pounds and dancing after a goal. in fact most coaches that i've been around would pull them right off the field after doing some of this stuff. i do not agree that its taunting or showboating INTENTIONALLY, but i believe that for them to be looked at as the #1 and #5 recruits in the country, they have to show a little more character and class than that, ESPECIALLY in this sport.

[faceitoff]

There's celebrating and showboating. I know what celebrating is because I have a premeditated celebration dance with a specific middie. Showboating is to the extreme, like if a player went through the legs or something. Showboating is extraneous while celebrating is just letting the emotion after a goal take you.

[doomsday]

thank you...only an athlete would understand its just one's expression of oneself.

[Lacrossejunkie]

it wasn't showboating at all, it was a handshake that he had with his brother. Theres really nothing wrong with that after you pull off a sweet play, pros do it all the time and I've seen it done it done in college as well. sure it makes you mad when they are playing against you, but if you want to get even then you have to beat them. and when you finally do, then you would want to celabrate a little too. Its not like they were doing some wild and crazy dance that took 5 minutes, it was a quick premade handshake, really nothing that would deserve a benching.

[CanuckLax]

*whistle* yea just had to pull the race card didnt ya :read: ...please dont make it in to some thing its not...i think that they are just having fun. im really sick of people saying stuff like that, i mean not all white people are racist.

It's ironic that youtube and myspace are jammed with vids of kids showing off their leEt skills in various sports, including a TON of lacrosse related ones. Yet the original poster only identifies THIS video as being over the top.

I agree people should not speak in generalities, however you are contradicting a point that was never made in the first place. Of course not all white people are racist, but who said that?? me? nopper, you just made that up on your own. I wondered allowed if the thread would exist if the Brattons were white... I was suggesting subtley and now not so subtley that maybe the original poster has issues not the whole white race... which by the way I am a blonde haired , blue-eyed white boy myself. But if the original complaint smacks of racism to me, then I think it's a valid point.

I watched the vid and saw no showboating during play, only solid technical skills, unlike the re-occuring showboating you get from the Powells like that lame thru the leg shot versus Canada or Mike's dumb flip shot. As a hockey and lacrosse coach myself, I see similar celebrations daily. The only expressions of emotion or bravado occured at the culmination of plays, and those are done EVERY day by almost everyone that scores points at every level of every sport...

Before you quickly dismiss this idea think about your last season, it's their guys on every team that celebrate like this??

Like you, I think their just having fun too, but not every does and THAT's the problem...

[jim_uk]

This thread has sure got a lot of people worked-up. Being from the UK (a nation well known or its resevered manner) I thought I would see some seriously over-the-top celebrations when I watched the video - all I can say is what is the fuss about? They're young and having fun - as long as they do not disrespect the opposition, what's the problem?

[UNCdefense]

I think these guys are going to be great for lacrosse personally....People around where I live who know nothing about lacrosse know a couple lax players from other sports....Biggest example is Jim Brown....Having people like these 2 kids who excel at not 2 but 3 different sports & yet chose to play lax is awesome!The fact that they picked our sport over other sports is just great.....When people start the whole "are there any good lax athletes or a who's who of lacrosse I can say something like "Well the Bratton Bro's were top notch b-ball & football players & chose to play lax" or something like that...They def. have great stop & go speed which seems to help them in each game...I think I'll go do some suicides right now at 11:40PM after watching this vid.

[stinisonfire]

Maybe we're watching different videos sean. All I saw was two kids who can play sports and VERY well. Not only that, but they can split dodge ridiculously fast and have amazing shot placements (note the jump shots).

Lighten up dude, it's high school sports. Geez.

[vikinglax3522]

i got the magazine yesterday and watched the clip today and i kinda saw glimpses of a few stars in the game today one of which most of you can guess, mikey powell. they have his grace and pressence on the feild and another guy they remind me of is matt ward because of the ability to make a sniper shot with such precison. the final is kyle harrison, because of the speed that they have in and out of cuts and just over all athleticism and lets face it its no secret that there are not alot of black players in college or pro lacrosse but there with black players like kyle harrison and john christmas and the bratton brothers adding there own style to the game i think its great.

[radman]

Do you really think they sent that video to the coaches aroud the country?

Besides they werent taunting anyone. Its not like they scorea goal come up to the goalie and pump their fist in front of the goalie or opposing team.

Hey if they ahd a nice edit, they could probably sell the video. I know some of you fools would by it. :bartmoon:

[stegmakk]

You should all know i am old school and that means there is no need to celebrate after every goal...in close games or big games yeah sure get out the fist pumps etc...

However in the vid i didnt see the excessive celebrating i thought i would see after reading the first post...i dont think it is that bad based on this vid...i also would have liked to see them in person as some of the clips i wonder if their competition is good competition or its sub par...i mean anone can make a highlight reel put together of the lowest 2 or 3 teams you faced...and Huntington didnt face too many tough competitors all year

[sticksave23]

are these guys even going to keep playing lacrosse or are they gonna play basketball or football

[stegmakk]

I wass not impressed by their bball abilities...i was impressed with their football moves and catches...

[LymanLax28]

are these guys even going to keep playing lacrosse or are they gonna play basketball or football
They're going to UVA and only playing lacrosse.

[lax4life6]

There's celebrating and showboating. I know what celebrating is because I have a premeditated celebration dance with a specific middie. Showboating is to the extreme, like if a player went through the legs or something. Showboating is extraneous while celebrating is just letting the emotion after a goal take you.
theres a place for through the leg shots. I dont think thats showboating.

[bendover]

theres a place for through the leg shots. I dont think thats showboating.

Only one of your two statements is correct. Put them together, and I have to disagree 100%.

I cannot come up with a "reasonable game situation" where a between the legs shot is the best option.

Take Casey Powell's attempts at the World Championships. In both cases, he would have been better off to go lefty and curl in front. Should have been 2 goals. Instead, he goes with 2 between the leg shots, and scores once.

[vikinglax3522]

Lacrosse is a sport of originality and inivation. like theres only so much you can do with a football or a baseball but when you dont have complete control of where you want the ball to go and what you want to do with it (like in lacrosse or hockey or soccer) you could throw a behind the back shot or a through the legs or anything like that and people are still coming up with ideas for how to shoot or how to pass or how to get by someone and these guys are taking there skills and using them to make our sport more exciting and then they celebrate there goals which we all have done and we try to say there showboats. but all there doing is having fun, like in backyard football who dosnt do endzone dances just to joke around and have a good time

[wilsontopowell]

I wass not impressed by their bball abilities...i was impressed with their football moves and catches...


Just wondering, have you ever seen them play basketball besides the video? if you havent then how can you not be impressed with what you saw? the vid didnt show all that much basketball but what it did show was amazing

[Dre]

My take on it is I tell my kids if you don't want the other team to celebrate and embarrass you don't let them score. I don't allow my boys to do much celebrating... I let them do a little I want then to have fun but not look classless. I think these guys will be fine, they'll settle down when they get to college. I mean I can't stand tight anal people who don't want people to have any fun, but I hate a classless display of buffoonery. I also am glad to see them on the front of the mag.

[MDlaxin69]

Just wondering, have you ever seen them play basketball besides the video? if you havent then how can you not be impressed with what you saw? the vid didnt show all that much basketball but what it did show was amazing

being an experienced basketball player, i can tell you that the basketball showed in that video was nothing special in terms of basketball skills. Sure, they were very athletic plays (i saw one oop on an in-bounds play, and i saw one of them anticipate a pass and then dunk it). Seriously its great athletisism but it shows little to no basketball skills. Im not saying theyre not good basketball players, all im saying is that from what the video showed me i have no reason to beleive so. If i could dunk i could do all that, in fact, most basketball players could. As far as lax and football go, wow.

[CSlax06]

Just some brothers having fun is all I see. They dont seem to full of themselves.

[Sesor]

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[titans 43]

Haha, if that was the worse showboating youve ever seen, dont come up to a Canadian game of lax.

haha ya , pretty much every game after someone on our team would score someone on the floor would go out and call otu someomne on the other team :agree:

[nsalax25]

I actually think there celebrations are a good thing. There just having fun and that'll rub off on their teamates and pumps up the fans. So I think it just brings a good atmosphere to the game.

you are correct my friend. This is what i have been waiting for in lacrosse, players with reggie bush type moves, celebrating- diving into the endzone when nobody is around and other things, and they have stick skills to make them amazing!. it will just make lacrosse more entertaining. it will be like having 2 steve smiths on the field at the same time. uva will win many titles with these guys

[washjeff]

^^^ i can't believe you said that. that's something that does NOT need to be brought up.

i was referring to that kid bringing up the race card.

[wilsontopowell]

being an experienced basketball player, i can tell you that the basketball showed in that video was nothing special in terms of basketball skills. Sure, they were very athletic plays (i saw one oop on an in-bounds play, and i saw one of them anticipate a pass and then dunk it). Seriously its great athletisism but it shows little to no basketball skills. Im not saying theyre not good basketball players, all im saying is that from what the video showed me i have no reason to beleive so. If i could dunk i could do all that, in fact, most basketball players could. As far as lax and football go, wow.

never said it showed basketball skills. all i said was what it did show was amazing in terms of their athleticism

[jkolar20]

your allowed to celebrate and be a punk when your as good as them...and they are having a good time who cares

[bpercival]

i believe someone is a bit jelous.

who cares there having fun and showing emotion in the game.
there not sitting on the field in the middle of a game like max quizanni did during high school.

[PSU5duece]

They are amazing athletes...It appeared as if they were running around and everyone else is standing still. I really wonder what level of football programs were recruiting them. They looked as if they had D1 talent on the football field to me...Not sure why they are only playing lacrosse?

They were definitely show-boating a bit too much (jumping into the endzone, dumb-looking swagger walk into end-zone, etc.) and would be smart to tone that down at the next level. The refs will not allow it and hopefully, the big Defensemen from U of MD will knock the snot out of them when they try and run through one too many middies.

I have to admit that I will enjoy watching them play for the next several years, but really hope they save that dancing for the playground... :devil:

[abomb]

i was just wondering how you felt sean, afte hearing all this...

but i think that they can do that. its not that big of a deal. sean is blowing this out of proportion.

you better get used to it because the Bratton Bros. are certainly not the last of their kind/caliber to play lacrosse, and their will be countless other instances of this in the future

[ahslax18]

There is nothing wrong with enthusiam and celebration. I wonder if this thread would even exist if this twins were white...


exactly...the first post reeks of racism


and no, i'm not angered. they are the best on the field and they know it, let them live and play how they wish


and in terms of not wanting them because of this is rediculous. you would have to be retarded to not want them to come to your school, they could win you a championship.

[IHSLAX4]

i dunno what your talking about the only realy celebrations i see them doing are in football...and those arent even that bad...and to the lacrosse standpoint its just a coupleof fist pumps which i dont see as taunting. and all that gets cancelled out because these kids are amazingly athletic and just sick at life.

[laxn]

*whistle* yea just had to pull the race card didnt ya :read: ...please dont make it in to some thing its not...i think that they are just having fun. im really sick of people saying stuff like that, i mean not all white people are racist.
Doesn't have to do with that, its not about blatent KKK type racism persay, more about steroetyping and nearly unconcious racism and assumptions. But it is true i honestly believe it wouldn't exist if they were white lacrosse stereotypes. They weren't being cocky they were having fun and playing with flavor. I agree its odd they're on the cover but angry? Does it really make you actively mad that they're there? As for the showboating, theres a differance between expressing excitement and pumping your team and your fans up, which is what i believe they were doing, and putting down the other team and there fans, they're "showboating" was positive for their side not negative to the others.

My take on it is I tell my kids if you don't want the other team to celebrate and embarrass you don't let them score. I don't allow my boys to do much celebrating... I let them do a little I want then to have fun but not look classless. I think these guys will be fine, they'll settle down when they get to college. I mean I can't stand tight anal people who don't want people to have any fun, but I hate a classless display of buffoonery. I also am glad to see them on the front of the mag.
AMEN to that!

[emart]

you can earn the right to celebrate when you are talented above and beyond any one else on the field.

[raaaay29]

They actually aren't thaat good at football. I'd like to see them play in TX or CA. They'd get shut down for sure.

[faceofflax15]

Uhh I don't think this has been said, But they are injured..Sitting out with injuries..

Bottom left corner
of

www.insidelacrosse.com

[AgotLax09]

those football celebrations are nothing. nothing at all. Did anyone watch Reggie Bush on Sunday? How about the whole Patriots team? How about T.O. anytime during his career? How about ANY of the of top 10 recievers in the NFL? Don't tell me jumping around and swaggering are over the top, thats ridiculous. Besides if some guys like handshakes and stuff after a goal, thats cool, the only people that are annoying are people that talk crap to the other team. There can be little in the way of over the top if its all posative. Ha last weekend i went to a tournament where a team made a dogpile in the center of the field after winning their second game of the tournament and it held up our warmups. It was stupid but i wasnt mad. Let them have some fun. And if you want to hold them to some rules about high fiving and jumping, pay them to act professional

[faceofflax15]

Also, I don't see anything wrong with them, they have a brother-ly handshake..

Whoopdie doopdie.

I'm jealous.

[EHSLAX12]

ya, no big problems...so theyre great athletes, big deal. everyonce in awhile there are standout athletes that are incredible at everything. there have been some kids like that at my school, big deal. we have 2 twins that play football at my hs, and theyre incredible, and their highlight reel looks somethin like that for football. no one really cares.

they are good, ive seen them play...huntington isnt far off from me, ive seen them play games around there...theyre great to watch.

[pmr149]

whoever sed if they were white this probably wouldnt be a thread is a joke.....white or black they do things that draw attention and some antics that make u watch...good, bad i don't know or care....I am totally sterotyping right now and might be kicked out of the forums...but seriously can u give me an example of a white athlete who does that kind of stuff...I seriously cannot find one....someone sed t.o,johnson, the top 10 receivers in the nfl...sorry but they are all black....I am not racist but I am stating a real observation....and dont say mikeypowell...he does some stuff on the field that could be called showboating..but doesnt do the celebrating..

[faceofflax15]

Does anyone know what these Kids Gpa is
Because if they excelled in all three of those sports, and in the classroom, then hotdamn, I'm impressed.

[AgotLax09]

Gramatica kicked a field goal with 6 minutes left to go in the 1st quarter of a football game during the regular season last year and jumped around like he won the super bowl. He broke his leg on the 3rd jump. RETARD.

haha i guess white people arent as noticable. but then again white people arent as dominant at football in positions like running back and wide reciever. maybe we would see more of the celebrating if Joe Smith the anglo-back could score some more 80 yard runs like Reggie Bush?

[MeRattack]

Gramatica kicked a field goal with 6 minutes left to go in the 1st quarter of a football game during the regular season last year and jumped around like he won the super bowl. He broke his leg on the 3rd jump. RETARD.

haha i guess white people arent as noticable. but then again white people arent as dominant at football in positions like running back and wide reciever. maybe we would see more of the celebrating if Joe Smith the anglo-back could score some more 80 yard runs like Reggie Bush?

martin gramatica is...spanish

[Longpole5435]

Gramatica kicked a field goal with 6 minutes left to go in the 1st quarter of a football game during the regular season last year and jumped around like he won the super bowl. He broke his leg on the 3rd jump. RETARD.

haha i guess white people arent as noticable. but then again white people arent as dominant at football in positions like running back and wide reciever. maybe we would see more of the celebrating if Joe Smith the anglo-back could score some more 80 yard runs like Reggie Bush?
It was Bill Gramatica, and he tore his ACL.

[AgotLax09]

I guess i was just reaching for not black lol o well

[shaguar]

having a GPA isnt neccesary when youre that good at sports. And as for team chemistry, Huntington finished what, 3rd in the country last year? I dont think team chemistry was hurt by their "showboating," I think the team probably fed off of them

[faceofflax15]

having a GPA isnt neccesary when youre that good at sports. And as for team chemistry, Huntington finished what, 3rd in the country last year? I dont think team chemistry was hurt by their "showboating," I think the team probably fed off of them

Yes a good GPA is nescisary, You need to rethink your priorities.


NO school will take you in lacrosse if you're GPA isn't up to par.

[jsweetslax]

yea there just good you cant get on them for that im not saying that i there the best but when your that good how you going to stop them there going for there third title this season so there doing something right

[laxmonkey1]

There pretty cocky but u cant deny their talent and speed

[hfdef32]

i play against the brattons in football and lacrosse they are the real deal. cant wait to watch them play at uva.

[Jugthug42]

Yes a good GPA is nescisary, You need to rethink your priorities.


NO school will take you in lacrosse if you're GPA isn't up to par.

I'm sure Vince Young, an EXTRAORDINARY athlete, who can barely complete a sentence, did not have trouble getting into the University of Texas, which actually is quite difficult to get into.

Sorry bro, GPA is not always necessary, if you are extremely gifted, good for you. The bad news is, the 99.9999999% of us that aren't, get to work hard in the classroom.

[faceofflax15]

I'm sure Vince Young, an EXTRAORDINARY athlete, who can barely complete a sentence, did not have trouble getting into the University of Texas, which actually is quite difficult to get into.

Sorry bro, GPA is not always necessary, if you are extremely gifted, good for you. The bad news is, the 99.9999999% of us that aren't, get to work hard in the classroom.
We're talking college lacrosse, not football.
I've met vince young, and I met a lot of the college lacrosse team from Texas, they say he isn't the brightest. But thats football, I'm tlaking lacrosse, your grades NEED to be up to par.

[vikinglax3522]

So, I watched the Bratton bros video on the site today, and after watching it was left with a dilemma. If I am a college coach, would I want to recruit these guys? They seem way too full of themselves. Maybe they're not, but the video seems to tell the tale. Sure they're talented, but at what price for team chemistry?
I'm a high school coach and preach selflessness and humility. I don't care how talented these kids are, they'd be riding the pine at my school if they didn't change their attitude. The way it works is this: Player has an attitude. Coach says change your attitude, or you sit. Player doesn't change attitude, they sit. Player changes attitude, they play. Repeat until player has lesson learned. Simple.

I also found it interesting that they chose to highlight their celebrations on the video. Why in the world would they do that? No coach in the universe wants kids like that on their team. Do they want the athleticism? Of course. But the showboating cr@p has no place in sports, especially not the HS or college level. Knowing a bunch of HS and college coaches, I know that the coaches who do allow that stuff are looked down upon by their peers.

If you're a college coach, its hard not to recruit them for their athleticism, but only the top schools could afford to tell them, "Guys, cut that showboating out, or you wont play here". If you are a lower level school, you don't have that option. Hopefully Starsia teaches them their lesson ASAP.
-Sean


dude you need to calm down, when we watch film if we dont celebrate with our teamates after a goal he yells at us and tells us to pick up the intensity and support our teamates and have fun. and ive watched the video many times and i was wondering where a display of showboating even is, showboating is like trying freestyle moves on the feild but you dont see people getting made at mikey powell (who im a huge fan of) but he does that kind of stuff all the time with the behind the backs and all that. i agree with the person who asked if this thread would even be around if the kids wernt black and i dont think it would because i know plenty of people who have an intense passion for the game and i think that celebration after a big hit or a great shot or take away shouldnt only be aloud but should be promoted in sports

[CaitiePumz]

i completely agree, i hate it when people judge without even knowing them.
I for one, know them and go to school with them. They do have an ego, but only cause everyones given them the power to. They know theyre the best, and if you dont like it, youre just jealous that theyre better than you.

wish them a good career and get over yourselves.

[zanderaruba]

are there anymore highlight videos of them other than the one posted on the first page of this thread?

[rockstar13]

they are sick but they are the next mojos

[Laxer1220]

Here's another link to a tape of them

Bratton Bros (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tifczHqJ-xM&mode=related&search=)

Click on it

[moondog]

I'm not going to quote the people who said white people do not over-celebrate, but...

Have you ever seen a European soccer game? Have you seen what (white) players do when they score a goal in soccer? How can you POSSIBLY say that over-celebration is a black thing.

Watch a soccer game and see what players do after they score a goal.

Your statements were absolutely retarded.

[fsflaxer30]

They didn't seem to over-celebrate to me... I mean they scored a lot and would pump their fist, and then walk away....

[LaxDman62]

From the video they looked like really good athletes. Most of their shots on gola were from the outside. They did seem like they were kinda full of themselves with all the dances and such. Its just highschool sports.

[marflax33]

I don't care about the showboating. But their names are Rhamel and Shamel..... Their mother must of had quite the sense of humor.

From that video it looks like neither of them have any inside dodges or moves at all. Every shot they took was from the outside. That isn't gonna work in college. I think they'll wash out, just because they are both 1 dimensional.

[Lacrossebum03]

Wow, they are some crazy good athletes. But yes, GPA for lacrosse DOES matter. Football, a sport that actually gives full ride scholarships to an entire roster, GPA usually doesn't matter if they want you bad enough. They did shoot from outside alot, they probably wont be as successful in college if they keep that up. Can't wait to see them at UVA, and see if their game is as high as their hype.

[FHS_D-POLE]

what team do you coach in la sean350

[Laxer1220]

I have to give it to them, they're great athletes. It will be interesting to see what they can do at UVA.

[hvlacrosse311]

I don't care about the showboating. But their names are Rhamel and Shamel..... Their mother must of had quite the sense of humor.

From that video it looks like neither of them have any inside dodges or moves at all. Every shot they took was from the outside. That isn't gonna work in college. I think they'll wash out, just because they are both 1 dimensional.
yeah i noticed the same thing on all of there videos. I think ive seen like maybe two crease goals in all the highlights. I dont think that theyll wash out just because they can get enough separation to shoot or feed it to the crease which will most likely be Ince(amazing canadian finisher). I will admit however that i am tired of hearing about how amazing they are when they havent played a single college game yet. And how even kyle harrison says theyre gonna be good, which really means nothing.