Middie: Ideal wieght?

[pantherLax]

I'm 5'10 and weigh 145 pounds. Im sorta built, but on the skinny side, visible 6 pack. And if it means anything, i can do 5 pullups with good form and 2-3 more max and about 15 straight dips. I donno if that means anything but w.e lol.

I play middie and I'm athletic and my game isnt necessary power or quickness cause i dont have a large amount of either but more balanced. Im not super fast but i have decent speed, always top 7 in sprints on my team. I also bench a max of 155.

Now, I ask you, how much should i weigh? I want to know because i am doing wrestling and i want to set a goal of how much to weigh before lax season. I am either going to wrestle in the 145 or 152 weight class but i can go up if i wantto because lax is more important to me than wrestling.

Thanks.

[spenny]

do you face off? i always look for the wrestlers for faceoff guys. that would make a difference, if you are going to face, you want to be bigger and lower to the ground.

speed its the most important thing. if you are a slower guy, you might want to get bigger and you could end up more of a D-mid. size still isnt the most importatnt thing in lax, the best middy on my HS team, was the shortest boy in my school

i'd also talk to your coach and see where he thinks you are going to play, that will help make your decision

[11laxboy11]

im only 5'8 160 pounds and quick i play middie, i find the taller skinny guys should play faceoff or d-mid i think with your height you should be in the 180-190 weight range that way you can throw some weight around

[pantherLax]

I do some faceoffs, a couple a game maybe. And I'm just starting wrestling...

Thanks guys

[GBaschski]

You can only do 15 dips? That doesn't sound very built to me.

But you should be fine at your weight. You'll definitely want to put on some (or a lot) of muscle as you get older, otherwise people will just kick you around like you're a ragdoll, but you should be alright.

[UVAlaxer432]

well how old are you?

[pantherLax]

You can only do 15 dips? That doesn't sound very built to me.


Dammit, thanks for shooting down my self-esteem. jk I felt big when i saw my friends couldnt do 5 and they bench more than me. But w.e anyways..

I'm 16 years old, junior.

[NYlaxLI]

I'm 5' 10' 160lbs and probably one of the fastest if not the fastest guys on my team. Compared to alot of other college guys I'm on the lighter side so you should be fine putting on a few lbs. That said those lbs should be muscle and not fat lol. Sounds like you're built like me in hs but I think I was built alittle more lower body and less upper body (gd track and x country lol) and I did fine so whatever you do yyou should be good.

[LymanLax28]

You're a junior? You could easily put on an extra twenty pounds. As long as the weight is muscle, you don't get slower, and you maintain good health, put on as much as you can.

[pantherLax]

Yea I know i really dont feel like a junior, i feel like I could still be in 10th grade.

I weight lift regularly and with what you guys said, im going to go for the 152 weight class. Thanks guys

[Diesel4958]

5 pull ups? bro you gotta hit those a little more often. Normally my smaller friends can blow me away in pull ups. I can do 8, and I'm 185 although I really don't think there is any correlation between # of pull ups one can preform and overall strength, instead I think it shows how good you are at pull ups. 145 is light, especially for 5' 10, I'd think about putting on some mass bro. I say you get bigger and faster, it's possible, bigger doesn't have to mean slower at all, it's all in how you train.

[pantherLax]

Diesel, thanks for your post. And what would you say my goal should be (in terms of weight)? By the beginning of the season do you think i should be at around ~155?
Also, how should i go about doing this? Eat more (healthily) and lift, and protein shakes?

[LoyolaMiddie878]

oh...ok...


hahaha. i know. seems like he just wanted to let everyone know how amazing he is. haha.

anyway, i think that 145-152 is a good weight range for you to be in, if not a little more maybe. i'm in that range and i'm only 5'8" compared to your 5'10" so you could probably stand to bulk up a little more.

also, if you worked on your speed to keep that balance of speed and strength that would make you a quite ideal player :thumbsup:

[pantherLax]

haha yea.
Im probably gonna go with the 152 class and then get a little closer to 160 as the lax season comes.

[Diesel4958]

Theres no ideal weight, whatever works for you is fine. But bigger, stronger faster how is that not better?

[zim]

I'm 17, 5'11'', 160 lbs.

I'm looking to put on 10 lbs of muscle and i'll be set. You should go for adding some weight, 145 is like nothing out there.

[BuckWyld]

5 pull ups? bro you gotta hit those a little more often. Normally my smaller friends can blow me away in pull ups. I can do 8, and I'm 185 although I really don't think there is any correlation between # of pull ups one can preform and overall strength, instead I think it shows how good you are at pull ups. 145 is light, especially for 5' 10, I'd think about putting on some mass bro. I say you get bigger and faster, it's possible, bigger doesn't have to mean slower at all, it's all in how you train.

I think that it is a relatively good way to look at strenght for a few reasons, first it uses many different upperbody muscles, second because it is a body weight exersize it is a good way to compare relative strength of people of different sizes. For instance if you have someone that is 6'4" 350 lbs and someone who is 5'6" and 150lbs, the larger person has a huge advantage with excercises like bench pressing so it is an unfair comparison (see weightclasses in lifting comps) but with pullups they are both using their own body weight so you can do a more even comparison. It is also a better measure than pushups for strenght because for anyone with a reasonable fitness level pushups are much more an endurance sort of thing than strength.

For the record, I am a LSM and I am ~5'7" 205-210lbs. I can do 12+ pullups and I usually do sets of 5-8 pullups with an additional 65lbs hung on my waist, they are probably my favorite exercise.

[pantherLax]

Thanks guys. And also, just to clarify, the differences in pullups and chinups are..? i know one is palms facing away and the other is palms facing toward you.

And currently i am lifting regularly and from this thread, i want to gain about 10+ pounds by the season. How would i go about doing this (other than lifting, protein shakes, and eating more, healthily)?

[BuckWyld]

pullups are done with your palms facing away, chinups are done with your palms facing toward you. Chinups tend to work your biceps more and therefore hit your back less. I prefer pullups.


How would i go about doing this (other than lifting, protein shakes, and eating more, healthily)?


The only important thing you forgot was resting.

[MACDADDY]

omg...you guys think your lightweight?? im 5'9 and im only 125 lb. its like im never going to get any weight. the only good thing is that i have awsome balance and i can sprint longer distances than most people....dam am i skinny i better do something about it

[Diesel4958]

I think that it is a relatively good way to look at strenght for a few reasons, first it uses many different upperbody muscles, second because it is a body weight exersize it is a good way to compare relative strength of people of different sizes. For instance if you have someone that is 6'4" 350 lbs and someone who is 5'6" and 150lbs, the larger person has a huge advantage with excercises like bench pressing so it is an unfair comparison (see weightclasses in lifting comps) but with pullups they are both using their own body weight so you can do a more even comparison. It is also a better measure than pushups for strenght because for anyone with a reasonable fitness level pushups are much more an endurance sort of thing than strength.

For the record, I am a LSM and I am ~5'7" 205-210lbs. I can do 12+ pullups and I usually do sets of 5-8 pullups with an additional 65lbs hung on my waist, they are probably my favorite exercise.

Maybe I was unclear, I suppose it is good exercise for strength to weight ratio and relative strength, but not for maximal. I completely agree with your example and the bench press I see it at Comps all the time. I'm considered fairly strong, yet am not very good at pull ups, when i have friends who are tooth picks and can do 20 reps. I think it really depends on what kind of "strength" we are talking about, I agree with what you said though. I'm 5'9'' 185 and can only do 8.

[NewEnglandLaxer]

Im 5'11 140lbs and weight and strength arent the biggest thing you have to worry about. Alot of it is speed. As for myself, my strength is that I have a quick start up and acceleration and then can run distance. If you are fast and can run distance fast middie is good. Weight isnt important because you can be 5'10 200lbs but if you can run just as fast and have the same or better skills then the other middies, all the power to you to play. If you are a lightweight like me, you need speed and balance. If you have good balance you will be fine. As for strength, it not extremely important. If you are weaker compared to your opponent like me, dont go for the all out hits (although i do try those), perfect the stick check and those type of skills. I can probaly do 7-9 pull-ups.

O yea and you said you have a visible six pack woohoo!! It doesnt matter, it doesn't mean your strong it just means your skinny.

[CTlaxHead]

Im 16, I'm 5'9 and my weight 172 pounds. I took a body fat test, and I'm still well in the athletic range. That is the key, sometimes people think they are gaining muscle but they are just gaining fat around their muscle.

As a lacrosse player looking to gain weight, work on your core. Thighs, Hamies, Hips, Groins, Back, and Stomach.

[B1ackout]

really i feel that a middie should be a good size. i see alot of guys saying size and strength doesnt matter, but it doesnt. it doesnt make or break a player but it certainly helps. being able to play some strong defense and lay some checks out is a great thing to have as a middi. im 5'8 150 but i have almost very little body fat and am considered very strong. last time i got in a wieght room was about 8 months ago and i was putting up 205 bench and 375 box squats. my strength part of my game isnt my main goal though, and i am not even slose to being a big middie. friends of mine are 5'11 6 180lbs and are jacked. they are very good at defense and offense and use there size alot to help. while i use my size to lay alot of good checks i feel that movement is important also. so if your not the biggest guy work on your footwork. dont worry so much as gaining weight. i mean you should eat a good amount of food but wieght is not an essential. strength and speed are the two things to work on. and with those comes good footwork, balance, and other areas of improvement

[WoodDuck14]

You guys are nothing when it comes to skinny, I'm 17, 6', and a whopping 135 lbs. haha! It actually sucks cuz i get bumped around alot. I have really good ballence/ stance from when i did fencing, so I'm able to do ground balls/ defence ok, but i'm defenatly gonna start lifting weights and eating more protien.

[titans 43]

doesn't really matter, I"m kidna big for a middei I guess at 5'10 180 but w.e I guess

[njlaxpunk10]

omg...you guys think your lightweight?? im 5'9 and im only 125 lb. its like im never going to get any weight. the only good thing is that i have awsome balance and i can sprint longer distances than most people....dam am i skinny i better do something about it

I hear that... i'm a 5'8, 130 lb senior, and i'm looking to bulk up as well. I'm a pretty strong little guy though, benching my bodyweight, squatting around 250-275, and leg-pressing 550. If you have power then you'll be ok, and i think any athlete can stand to gain 10 lbs of muscle. I'm aiming for 30 by the start of March. then i'll be like a little bowling ball :agree:

[hattrick619]

im 5'6" and 140 lbs but in my league im known for taking out guys around 160 on a regular game basis. its just how u use your strength. im an attackman tho so mainly i level d men clearing it up the side and recover the ball for a fast break-works every time.