Longest
08-01-2003, 10:27 PM
The Ottawa Rebel have in fact folded and will not relocate to London, Ontario.
<a href="http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030730.wnll/BNStory/Sports/">http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030730.wnll/BNStory/Sports/</a>
Dan
jmplax31
08-01-2003, 11:01 PM
That leaves 11 teams right, thats to bad I thoght it was working in Canada
Longest
08-01-2003, 11:17 PM
Phair can cover this better than I, Toronto is doing just fine.
Dan
Hooligan
08-02-2003, 09:28 AM
Here is the complete story as reported by the Outsider's Guide to the NLL. They did the complete coverage of the dispersal draft, and had the best insight of the whole story. Its a bit lengthy, but chock full of info. Please read the whole thing!!!!
News Update 31 July 2003
R.A. Philly
Outsider's Guide Editor in Chief
Anaheim selected Matt Disher with the first pick in today's NLL dispersal draft.
The brisk draft, completed in less than 30 minutes, was necessitated by yesterday's announcement that the Ottawa Rebel would suspend operations and not participate in the upcoming 2004 season.
This was the second dispersal draft in ten months, following the Montreal Express' suspension of operations last summer. Coincidentally (or perhaps not), the Express and Rebel were each run by Brad Watters, who also manages the Toronto Rock.
By picking Disher, the unnamed Anaheim club, which moved to southern California from New Jersey just last week, began what could be a massive hoarding of goaltenders. The team already owns the rights to Matt Roik, Derek General, and Ginny Capicchionni, and has expressed interest in signing free agent netminder Gord Nash.
As a group, New Jersey's goaltenders posted a 13.78 goals-against average and a 74.3 save percentage in 2003. Disher (12.33, 76.4) had much better numbers, while Nash (14.71, 74.7) had weaker stats. However, the numbers don't indicate that Nash suffered from playing behind a weak defense.
Nash's former team, the New York Saints, defied the predictions of several NLL insiders by taking defenseman Bruce Codd with the second-overall pick instead of goaltender Andrew Leyshon.
Codd was not a shocking selection at number-two, though. His defensive skills, including a Rebel-leading 101 loose ball recoveries in 2003, will help solidify the Saints' porous defense.
Leyshon, though, would have settled a glaring need in the wake of Nash's departure. New York entered the draft with only one experienced goaltender, Phil Wetherup.
Things worked out perfectly for the Saints, however, with Leyshon still on the board in the second round. New York added journeyman goaltender Derek Collins in the third round.
Drafting third, the Columbus Landsharks selected Scott Self (4 goals, 9 assists). Kevin Howard (30 goals, 25 assists) then went fourth, to Philadelphia.
The first surprise came at number five, when San Jose (formerly the Albany Attack) bypassed several high-profile players to select defenseman Brennan Day, who has never played in the NLL.
"Brennan will work well with our other defensemen like Jim Moss, Shaydon Santos and Cam Woods," San Jose general manager Johnny Mouradian said. "He is fast and likes to get up the floor to create scoring opportunities."
Half the picks in the remainder of the rest of the first round were the Rebel's top offensive weapons. Leading scorer Mat Giles (34 goals, 26 assists) was selected tenth by Rochester, with number-two man Jason Clark (31 goals, 26 assists) going to Buffalo one pick earlier.
Ryan Painter, who missed much of this season due to injuries after leading the Rebel with 45 goals in 2002, was selected eleventh, by Toronto.
Other selections in the first round were Jamie Roy, by Vancouver; Kyle Laverty, by Calgary; and Brad Self, by Colorado.
A few notable members of the offense fell into the second round, including Stephen Evans (Anaheim, 12th), Chris Konopliff (San Jose, 16th), and Kevin Dostie (Calgary, 18th).
None of the players chosen in the third round played for the Rebel in 2003. Many came from the "protected list," including Adam Mitchell (Anaheim), D.J. Serr (Philadelphia), Rick Matthews (San Jose), Jon Tarbell (Calgary) and Ryan McNish (Toronto).
Two third-round selections (Shawn Parnell, Columbus, and Jamie Raffan, Vancouver) were on injured reserve and a couple more (Collins and Mike Hamilton, Buffalo) came from the practice squad.
Colorado and Rochester passed in the third round, apparently unsatisfied with the players still available.
Nine players whose rights were held by the Rebel slipped through the draft and are unrestricted free agents, including three from the 23-man active roster: Doug Noganosh, Brandon Sanderson, and John Veltman.
Steve Fannell, a longtime faceoff man, was skipped over, likely due to injury concerns. Fannell only played four games for the Rebel last season.
Ross Cowie, Colin Linton, Charlie Lockwood, Sean Orr and Patrick Russel also went unselected.
Cowie, the former Buffalo Bandits goaltender, and Lockwood, the 1995 MILL Rookie of the Year, are retired. Cowie was forced to quit after a serious fall at his home in 2001. Lockwood hasn't played in the NLL since 1999, when he had a five-game stint with the Syracuse Smash (which became the Rebel in 2001).
The draft was held just a day after the Rebel officially stepped out of the league because the current collective bargaining agreement expires at midnight tonight. If the Rebel had been in a suspension of operations without a CBA in place, any players it still had would have become free agents.
Unlike with last year's dispersal draft, teams did not have to release a player for each one they selected, and no picks were traded.
Teams selected in reverse order of the final 2003 standings, with the champion dropped to the final selection and the runner-up to the second-last spot.
The official dispersal draft results follow:
## TEAM SELECTION
-- --------------- ---------------------------------------
1 Anaheim--------Matt Disher
2 New York--------Bruce Codd
3 Columbus---------Scott Self
4 Philadelphia------Kevin Howard
5 San Jose---------Brennan Day
6 Vancouver--------Jamie Roy
7 Calgary----------Kyle Laverty
8 Colorado--------Brad Self
9 Buffalo-----------Jason Clark
10 Rochester--------Mat Giles
11 Toronto----------Ryan Painter
12 Anaheim----------Stephen Evans
13 New York---------Andrew Leyshon
14 Columbus---------Eric Pacey
15 Philadelphia------Jake Lawson
16 San Jose---------Chris Konopliff
17 Vancouver-------Peter Veltman
18 Calgary-----------Kevin Dostie
19 Colorado---------Mike Henderson
20 Buffalo------------Marc Landriault
21 Rochester--------Shawn Zettel
22 Toronto-----------Kevin Lunnie
23 Anaheim----------Adam Mitchell
24 New York---------Derek Collins
25 Columbus---------Shawn Parnell
26 Philadelphia------DJ Serr
27 San Jose----------Rick Matthews
28 Vancouver--------Jamie Raffan
29 Calgary-----------Jon Tarbell
30 Colorado---------Declined to select
31 Buffalo------------Mike Hamilton
32 Rochester--------Declined to select
33 Toronto-----------Ryan McNish
http://www.lacrosse-network.com/outsidersguide/news030731.htm
jmplax31
08-02-2003, 09:31 AM
Are the wings picks good? and why was vetalmen(sp) not picked.
Hooligan
08-02-2003, 09:37 AM
The Wings picks were very good!
Kevin Howard is a good goal scorer, and Jake Lawson has the talent to start on D now. Problem with Lawson is that he has a job that will take much of his time. The Wings have to reconsile that. DJ Serr did not play any minutes in 2003, but was a good selection nevertheless. They did very well.
bigDman
08-02-2003, 01:21 PM
Matt(phiar) the NLL expert
Hooligan
08-02-2003, 03:44 PM
Helps to have friends in high places....!
dont lie to us Phair !!! you don't have any friends ! :laugh
Hooligan
08-03-2003, 09:00 AM
True....just worshipers!:laugh
Stopper22
08-03-2003, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by PhairIsGod
True....just worshipers!:laugh :laugh so now the league has a odd number of teams, hows that gonna work?
Hooligan
08-03-2003, 06:18 PM
That won't last long. Minnesota is very very interested in acquiring an NLL franchise. They couldn't work a deal for this year, but there could be means for expansion for next year. They would be included out west.
Now this season, the league will go with a west and east coast division (most likely). Scheduling will be a true challenge, but unfortunately this means that the 2 game weekends could still exist for some teams.
8-ball
08-03-2003, 11:14 PM
sounds interesting. i just hope that their moving teams all around is over and they just add a couple new teams for next year. maybe in a couple years get a team back in ohio and detroit, that would be very nice.
Hooligan
08-04-2003, 08:32 PM
Be on the lookout...in 2005!!!
One of my authors (who incidentally just signed up here) told me that he's following a story about possible NLL expansion after this season. He mentioned a few cities, but I don't want to ruin his story. You'll have to check back to see when he writes it. I'll make sure I put the link up! LOL
:laugh
cannonslax624
08-26-2003, 12:57 PM
wait...arent there 10 teams? the website has:
landsharks
bandits
roughnecks
ravens
mammoth
wings
rock
knighthawks
san jose team
anaheim team
10...right? or is there another team...im kinda confused
jmplax31
08-26-2003, 02:11 PM
They lost the Saints recently too (folded)
Hooligan
08-26-2003, 06:17 PM
Yes....now there are 10.
Columbus is Phoenix....otherwise your list is correct.:agree