Anyone have this or have seen this? I saw an ad for it in the insidelacrosse recruiting magazine and was interested. For any of you who have seen it, does it help at all and is it worth buying? I saw a sample of the dvd and found out that I already knew all the drills in that excerpt.
Heres the link: www.devoehp.com (http://www.devoehp.com)
Cburylax
10-04-2006, 07:56 PM
Anyone have this or have seen this? I saw an ad for it in the insidelacrosse recruiting magazine and was interested. For any of you who have seen it, does it help at all and is it worth buying? I saw a sample of the dvd and found out that I already knew all the drills in that excerpt.
Heres the link: www.devoehp.com (http://www.devoehp.com)
I just took a look at the sample clips and I'm not impressed as a strength and conditioning professional. Unless there is some serious technique explanation, this just looks like a dvd of drills that may provide the novice player some new exercises only.
For example, the lateral cross over stretch is a great active stretch but all those guys were doing it without regard for form. That to me is a blatant example of lack of instruction or technique by the trainers and producers.
I'd recommend Parisi's Speed and Agility DVD over this one.
http://store.speedtrainingstore.com/paagtrme.html
C
rjdevoe
10-05-2006, 10:57 AM
The clips show the basic as there is more on the DVD
This information is the same thing that we have done while working with 2 NLL teams and over 30 division I,II,III colleges and high school teams for over 10 years. The same reason why all of the top 25 DI colleges have bought the DVD and are awaiting the release of our second DVD
My question to all of you lacrosse athletes is do you understand that you have 3 different running motions when running with your stick, that is different than straight speed training?
Do you know the 3 key points that increase your straight ahead speed?
Do you know that straight ahead speed is different than lateral agility?
Do you know how to transition from straight ahead speed to lateral agility?
Do you know how balance affects your planting and cutting?
Some things look basic yes, but there is a natural progression to all exercises.
I would not be a contributing writer for Lacrosse Magazine- if they did not think we knew what we were doing.
Also I have the parisi video it is very good for a Trainers perspective i would compare both first but I am biased lol
I am student of vern gambetta, worked with Duane Carlise, a huge fan a jeremy boone and have been a exercise physiologist since 93.
Please don't take this the wrong way CburyLax as I do not think I know it all and love talking to Strength Coaches about training and different techniques hope this leads to good healthy discussion
Thanks for your input and for adding to help the sport of lacrosse by teaching strength and conditioning to athletes who do not get as much time in the gym because it is not football or basketball
Cburylax
10-05-2006, 12:36 PM
Robi only asked for an opinion and I gave him mine based on what I saw and with my background in the area. No sugar coating. I'd be more than happy to discuss this and really get into the explanation and play a little pong on the subject. I'm sure many people on this board would appreciate some discussion on the subject, and like you said, give a little insight into an area that many of the athletes on this board are not in a position to be exposed.
The clips show the basic as there is more on the DVD
This information is the same thing that we have done while working with 2 NLL teams and over 30 division I,II,III colleges and high school teams for over 10 years. The same reason why all of the top 25 DI colleges have bought the DVD and are awaiting the release of our second DVD
If you are catering to invidiual HS athletes and even some coaches, then perhaps this demonstration clip is enough (but don't get caught spamming here...they'll be on you like vultures). For someone with a little more experience in the field, I would need to see more technique and instruction in a clip before I considered buying it. I only purchased the Parisi DVD after I heard him speak at the Performan Better 3 Day training summit in Los Angeles last summer.
My question to all of you lacrosse athletes is do you understand that you have 3 different running motions when running with your stick, that is different than straight speed training?
I'm going to guess: one hand on a stick running, two hands on a stick running, and two hands running backpeddling?
Do you know the 3 key points that increase your straight ahead speed?
[QUOTE=rjdevoe]Do you know that straight ahead speed is different than lateral agility?
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, perhaps the mechanics of arm swing, body position and lean, stride length, and foot position?
Do you know how to transition from straight ahead speed to lateral agility?
Slow Down, control your center of gravity, transition your bodyweight, change your force vector angles, re-accelerate?
Do you know how balance affects your planting and cutting?
I need a little more information here. Shifting your balance is key to creating the force vectors required for accelerating (like the player that was held in at an angle in your clip and then released to accelerate), slowing down and stopping, and re-accelerating. Foot positiong is also pivotal with regard to cutting and which leg is used to create the initial braking forces is very important.
From what I saw in the DVD, none of these techniques were implemented. All those players doing the demos were just doing the drill, not concentrating on form or technique. None displayed the balance you're asking about in this question, or perhaps I need to see more to make this assumption?
In our book, technique is a primary focus (in addition to correcting postural deviations) before letting players just do drills for sake of conditioning. I've found this leads to syngeristic dominance and injuries, especially when they are doing drills they've probably never done before. This is why I said I wasn't too impressed, none of those athletes showed great form in anything they did. Again, I might need to see more to make this assumption.
Some things look basic yes, but there is a natural progression to all exercises.
From a marketing standpoint, I think you need to show that there IS a progression since it just looks like a bunch of drills to me.
I would not be a contributing writer for Lacrosse Magazine- if they did not think we knew what we were doing.
I look forward to reading your columns.
Also I have the parisi video it is very good for a Trainers perspective i would compare both first but I am biased lol
I've found his and Martin Rooney's techniques to be the most sound, if you have another others you would recommend please share them.
I am student of vern gambetta, worked with Duane Carlise, a huge fan a jeremy boone and have been a exercise physiologist since 93.
I heard Duane speak that that same convention last summer, nice guys and knows a lot. I'm not familiar with the rest. I have a BS in Nutritional Science and a minor in Sports Medicine from 2000, I've been a CSCS since 2002 and I'm overly familiar with the principles of NASM since their headquarters is right down the street from me. I've been working primarily with high school athletes, worked with 4 Anaheim storm and several college players for the last 4-5 years.
Please don't take this the wrong way CburyLax as I do not think I know it all and love talking to Strength Coaches about training and different techniques hope this leads to good healthy discussion .
Touche, I'm open to anything as long as it has sound principles.
Thanks for your input and for adding to help the sport of lacrosse by teaching strength and conditioning to athletes who do not get as much time in the gym because it is not football or basketball
Ok, here goes. I'd like to know what you think about the acceleration motion from a standing position (like a midfielder about to go in from the wing line on a faceoff).
Would you suggest the player lean on their stick to create the proper force vectors, start in a split stance with their stick in one hand and both arms in a runners position, or with both hands on their stick and a split stance?
Good Stuff
C :thumbsup:
bigDman
10-05-2006, 02:59 PM
I just took a look at the sample clips and I'm not impressed as a strength and conditioning professional. Unless there is some serious technique explanation, this just looks like a dvd of drills that may provide the novice player some new exercises only.
For example, the lateral cross over stretch is a great active stretch but all those guys were doing it without regard for form. That to me is a blatant example of lack of instruction or technique by the trainers and producers.
I'd recommend Parisi's Speed and Agility DVD over this one.
http://store.speedtrainingstore.com/paagtrme.html
C
i agree and can vouch for all the Parisi Products. They are all great. The vedio clip did not impresse me due to sloppy form win the athletes performing the exercises in the Trailer.