THE FACE OFF THREAD!!!

[faceofflax15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE1E5ReSLVw&mode=related&search=


Maybe some people didn't realize the importance of having the same grip for each and every move a F0 man does. Watch the FCA lax vid I just posted a link to, their faceoff guy uses a moto grip to push it forward, or when he does over-under he clamps and rakes it behind him.

[RIT37FO]

thats....weird? why not just tell the guy what you are doing

[faceofflax15]

thats....weird? why not just tell the guy what you are doing
You know theres a lot of people that change grips/hand positions/stance depending on their move. You know that, you've been helping people with it in this thread even. I just thought it was cool I wasn't even looking for it, but yet I noticed it, guess thats what happens after getting so used to doing it during games.

[RIT37FO]

i have seen people change stance, hand positions, weight on hands and all that but i have never seen a person switch the grip ever. to each his own

[CHlax]

My main move is the clamp and I prefer to use the moto grip to do it but if I notice that my opponent is either trying to clamp also or jump me for it I have a hard time getting the same speed with my push or jump from my moto grip. I've been working on it and I have seen some improvment but its still not as fast as when I use the traditional grip for those moves, any suggestions other than continuing to practice?

[qbymiddie5]

reaaaaaaaallllllllll coool haha

[GBaschski]

Here's a coupl'a face-off videos to get your adrenaline pumping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTVGAATlVc0&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOfwlMW5LTo

[CyanideLacrosse]

hey, I was wondering something.

I tried this out last game, because the other team was just tearing us up at the X, and I won the last 2 faceoffs of the game against what seemed like their best. Here's what I did:

I went down in the moto-grip and when the whistle blew, instead of flicking the ball away, I quickly jumped over the ball with my lacrosse head to block his, and then lifted my shaft up, at the same time pushing his stick back. Then i pushed him off the ball, turning around and snagging it for a fast break.

SO is the a good strategy, or just luck?

[truste1]

It seems like that takes a lot more steps than just jumping and either reverse clamping and pulling it out to your left or pulling it behind you and just boxing him out. Maybe I'm just visualizing it wrong though.


In other news, I'm still using my Pulse. I went 100% on faceoffs in my game Tuesday. I am so afraid it's going to eventually snap though.

[faceofflax15]

Truste1, Man honestly, good luck on that guy not warping and breaking...


First game tomorrow, sweeeet. After two intersqaud scrimages and facing against the entire team, I'm 100percent on the F0s...

[uvacavs22]

really your deuce is stiff?
Wow, I've always heard they are weak and flexible, Except from you and RIT..


i might throw in that the stx primer is a great head, stiff and light, and works really well on the clamp and plunger.

[RIT37FO]

primer? stiff?...idk maybe the ones i was around just came to pinched and soft from the factory

[faceofflax15]

primer? stiff?...idk maybe the ones i was around just came to pinched and soft from the factory
...This coming from a guy who uses[d] the deuce... what a joke.

[stinisonfire]

...This coming from a guy who uses[d] the deuce... what a joke.

It's not his fault he's such a beast.

[RIT37FO]

proud of my Deuce use. heckle me all you wish

[faceofflax15]

DAMN IT.



We lost. Went 80 percent, got three illegal procedures. One was absolute B.S. I got called for, and I kidd you not, ''Rolling the stick forward'' [I plunged and pushed], he said I can't roll the stick at anypoint during the F0. Uhh, it was towards the end of the quater, with 20 seconds left, so I had him look up that rule for the next quater...


So I'm 80 percent on the year, 3 G's and 2 assists.

[truste1]

I saw this move while watching the Hopkins Princeton game from the Face Off Classic.
The Hopkins guy moved his shaft to the right and it looked like he was jumping over the ball with his shaft and trying to use his shaft to push the ball behind him or something to that effect. An illegal procedure was called, but I'm not sure what it was called for (if that move is illegal, or he jumped early, or something along those lines.)

When would be a good time to do something like thing?

[RIT37FO]

sounds like he jumped with his shaft and instead of his head.

[faceofflax15]

I saw this move while watching the Hopkins Princeton game from the Face Off Classic.
The Hopkins guy moved his shaft to the right and it looked like he was jumping over the ball with his shaft and trying to use his shaft to push the ball behind him or something to that effect. An illegal procedure was called, but I'm not sure what it was called for (if that move is illegal, or he jumped early, or something along those lines.)

When would be a good time to do something like thing?
Anytime, its a great move, my one of two moves I do constantly. You have to slide your body while you do it, and you stay in constant contact with the ball. Way better then a normal jump. Then you either grab it with your left hand or hit it with your shaft backwards.

[truste1]

It seems like it would be slower though since you'd have to jump to the right instead of just jumping over with the head.

[faceofflax15]

It seems like it would be slower though since you'd have to jump to the right instead of just jumping over with the head.
Doesn't really matter, you jump and slide, so you go over with your head, and as your going over the ball your head and shaft both slide over the ball. Staying in constant contact with the ball...

If you want, I'll try and take a video after my practice today..

[truste1]

That'd be great, thanks.

We actually have two games today...one varsity and one jv. But since we're club some guys will play in both games. My coach originally said I'm too big to play in the JV game, but maybe he'll let me be a FOGO. If he does I might try this out.

[faceofflax15]

That'd be great, thanks.

We actually have two games today...one varsity and one jv. But since we're club some guys will play in both games. My coach originally said I'm too big to play in the JV game, but maybe he'll let me be a FOGO. If he does I might try this out.
Make sure you practice it a few times before hand, it takes a while to get use to, once you do, its a great great move.

[GBaschski]

What do you guys suggest when someone is sweeping the ball out before you clamp? This happened to me a lot today and it was too quick for me to jam, and everytime I tried to clamp he would just sweep it out before I could clamp it.

[truste1]

maybe try to block it with your foot?

I only got to faceoff once in the JV game so I didn't try it. I'll try it some in practice though.

[faceofflax15]

Bare with me, I feel retarded taking Faceoffs without cleats and a helmet, so I couldn't go full out, but I think I did a good enough job for you to get an idea of how to execute it..

Started off with the slide and hit with end of shaft, then two grabs.


http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c398/faceofflax15/?action=view&current=100_1409.flv

[RIT37FO]

nice video

[stinisonfire]

I'm doing that in practice tomorrow. Nice little variation to just moving the top hand up.

[Quakerlax]

Has anyone tried the K18 for Fo's yet? I used the PP in the past, but the K-18 seems to have a flatter bottom rail

[MadCowDisease]

HOLD : HOW TO PREVENT?
Well, first off I want to say thanks to everyone that has helped me with my faceoffs, especially RIT37FO.

Yesterday, I got to do like two or three faceoffs. I think I did a clamp, jump, and another time when I let him get the ball and then hit his head so he dropped it.

Anyways, you know when you go to clamp and the ball gets stuck in the mesh and you get a penalty for the hold?
Well, how do I go about preventing this?
Besides practicing other moves so I don't just clamp, I'm looking for some advice of what to do if I have the ball clamped in my stick and how to get it out?

Thanks in advance,
~Matt~ :worship:

[RIT37FO]

HOLD : HOW TO PREVENT?
Well, first off I want to say thanks to everyone that has helped me with my faceoffs, especially RIT37FO.

Yesterday, I got to do like two or three faceoffs. I think I did a clamp, jump, and another time when I let him get the ball and then hit his head so he dropped it.

Anyways, you know when you go to clamp and the ball gets stuck in the mesh and you get a penalty for the hold?
Well, how do I go about preventing this?
Besides practicing other moves so I don't just clamp, I'm looking for some advice of what to do if I have the ball clamped in my stick and how to get it out?

Thanks in advance,
~Matt~ :worship:


some refs wont call the withholding some will the only way to fix this is to get the ball out sooner.try popping it out between your legs. refs arent going to change their calls so you need to change how you play for them.

[GBaschski]

Has anybody ever experienced a face-off plateau? I practice alot and my speed improved drastically for a while, but lately it seems like I'm not improving at all, if anything moving backwards. Any tips on how to get through this and get back on track?

Also, how do you guys mentally prepare for a game and keep yourself from being sluggish out on the field?

[faceofflax15]

GBaschski, I personally, tell myself the other guy is my **Word for female dog**. From which point I tell myself they can't beat me, then I taunt them well going down, gaining any mental edge I can. Faceoffs are so very mental.

[truste1]

Bare with me, I feel retarded taking Faceoffs without cleats and a helmet, so I couldn't go full out, but I think I did a good enough job for you to get an idea of how to execute it..

Started off with the slide and hit with end of shaft, then two grabs.


http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c398/faceofflax15/?action=view&current=100_1409.flv

nice video, thanks.

[GBaschski]

AAARRRGGHH!!
That's two friggin games straight that I have been completely horrible at the X, my speed has completely freakin disappeared. Up until two games ago I was dominating every draw, and now I'm just...getting handled. Luckily Spring Break starts in two days so I'll have a lot of time to practice..but has this ever happened to anyone else before? How on Earth did you get through it?

[RIT37FO]

its mental. each draw is a new chance

[faceofflax15]

Make your opponent your women [or word for female dog]. He has nothing on you, you dictate his moves. He has nothing, its your ball.

[pantherLax]

I have an idea that mayhave been asked before and maybe stupid...On the faceoff can you block the other persons move by blocking with your foot? So say right at the whistle you kinda jump but also shove your foot in there as another jammer.

And other variations of that...Legal? Stupid idea?

[faceofflax15]

I have an idea that mayhave been asked before and maybe stupid...On the faceoff can you block the other persons move by blocking with your foot? So say right at the whistle you kinda jump but also shove your foot in there as another jammer.

And other variations of that...Legal? Stupid idea?
Uh, if you kick your stick, thats illegal, and most times if their stick hits your foot, it will get called for kicking it...

So just get faster at other moves.

[pantherLax]

Oh ok thanks, just an idea

[RIT37FO]

you can step and "block" his rake out the back as long as hit stick hits your foot and its not your foot hitting his stick its ok. THIS IS NOT A KICK but placing your foot behind his rake out pont

[faceofflax15]

Rit have you had a chance to use that sled yet... if so has it helped

[RIT37FO]

yes i have. but only once i will be using it this week and continue with it. i can tell you this you get sore as all hell after you are done

[faceofflax15]

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and power band
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Gotta get my stats high for Midwest 99 this summer, you know how it is.

[ThePuceRooster]

Ok, last year I started doing faceoffs, and I won almost all of them because I would just clamp quicker or strongarm the ball away and then rake. This year, I started doing them again, but the clamp just isn't what it used to be. The people on my team I faceoff against just clamp faster, and I am trying to find a way to counter it. I don't understand how anything can beat the clamp though, its just to short and quick. The jump looks like it takes to long, and if you just punch it, wouldn't it just go right under his clamp? Is it all about speed on something like the jump or the lazer or whatever? Maybe I'm just an idiot...

[RIT37FO]

fast hands win face offs

[MUHS #30]

Oh wow. Thanks dude, this was just what i was looking for. The two finger is just great

[MadCowDisease]

Oh wow. Thanks dude, this was just what i was looking for. The two finger is just great
No, it's illegal; but hey, if you want to break your fingers go ahead and cheat.

[broken reaktor]

If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

[MadCowDisease]

If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
Actually, it takes less skill to cheat and you have to try harder to actually win the FO cleanly imo.
Cheating=shortcut=less work.

[MUHS #30]

I know that its bad, but still... great way to piss the other guy off

[MadCowDisease]

I know that its bad, but still... great way to piss the other guy off
Well, yeah, I mean if I got beat by a guy that was cheating and the ref didn't catch it I would be pissed off.

[Horible]

Excellent guide RIT

Did you ever get that audio clip of random whistles to improve reaction time?

Anyways, i took 1 face-off in our scrimmage yesterday and i wrecked my guy and got the ball out quick but my teammate missed the GB xD

Better luck next time

Horible


PS I give you tons of credit for showing off your Deuce.
And i was wondering what you thought about a Truth for a flexible face-off head.

[RIT37FO]

from what i have been told the truth isnt good for FO it breaks and warps to fast.

[faceofflax15]

Actually, it takes less skill to cheat and you have to try harder to actually win the FO cleanly imo.
Cheating=shortcut=less work.
In faceoffs, if your not cheating, you're not trying. Thats the flat out truth. I can gaurentee that there is not one man in the NCAA that is always 100 percent clean, take into account, Grabs, 2 fingers, tilted heads, bottom hands not on ground-- or not parrallell to line, hands/helmet/foot in neutral zone. I can tell you I do a slide-grab variation and it works very nicely. I know what your trying to say, it seems like a shortcut and easier, but its actually really hard to pull off a grab or two finger and have a ref/player not notice and tell ref.. So I can honestly tell you, if your not cheating, your trying.
I know that its bad, but still... great way to piss the other guy off

Well, yeah, I mean if I got beat by a guy that was cheating and the ref didn't catch it I would be pissed off.
Thats why you talk to the ref, It sounds dirty, but if I see the other guy cheating with his hand/head/fingers/shaft/foot/head, I'm telling the ref, even though I am cheating too, you have to do whatever you possible can to get the possession.
Excellent guide RIT

Did you ever get that audio clip of random whistles to improve reaction time?

Anyways, i took 1 face-off in our scrimmage yesterday and i wrecked my guy and got the ball out quick but my teammate missed the GB xD

Better luck next time

Horible


PS I give you tons of credit for showing off your Deuce.
And i was wondering what you thought about a Truth for a flexible face-off head.Never trust your wingmen, NEVER. I do not, and will not give it to my wing men, unless they are leaving him... 20 yards to himself, I'll just rake it to him and he'll chill by the wing. You want the faceoff game to be a 1-1, not a 3-3.. It's more reliable to count on yourself then a couple dumb wingmen for a W.

[MadCowDisease]

In faceoffs, if your not cheating, you're not trying. Thats the flat out truth. I can gaurentee that there is not one man in the NCAA that is always 100 percent clean, take into account, Grabs, 2 fingers, tilted heads, bottom hands not on ground-- or not parrallell to line, hands/helmet/foot in neutral zone. I can tell you I do a slide-grab variation and it works very nicely. I know what your trying to say, it seems like a shortcut and easier, but its actually really hard to pull off a grab or two finger and have a ref/player not notice and tell ref.. So I can honestly tell you, if your not cheating, your trying.


Well yeah, it probably is hard to pull that stuff off, but that doesn't mean people who don't do it aren't doing anything/not trying.

[faceofflax15]

Well yeah, it probably is hard to pull that stuff off, but that doesn't mean people who don't do it aren't doing anything/not trying.
But you also did say its easier and its not the right way to do it, well on Faceoffs, it is. It's a fight for possession, you must do whatever you can to win. In Fact, if I were to see a picture of your facing off from a game, I'm pretty much positive I could find something illegal with you...


If your not cheating, your not trying. The flat out truth. To set yourself up straight and in the neutral zone, your giving yourself such a disadvantage its unbelievable.

[lslaxer]

This is a great thread, I just read it straight through after I started taking faceoffs in our first game. I won all of them by just using a clamp, but the other team was pretty bad, so I'm working on my other moves now.



If your not cheating, your not trying. The flat out truth. To set yourself up straight and in the neutral zone, your giving yourself such a disadvantage its unbelievable.
Quoted for emphasis.

[MadCowDisease]

To set yourself up straight and in the neutral zone, your giving yourself such a disadvantage its unbelievable.
But then, to know that you beat them fairly, especially if they cheated and didn't win, is soo much better.

[faceofflax15]

But then, to know that you beat them fairly, especially if they cheated and didn't win, is soo much better.
If you were to win like that, the other person would have to be extremly sub-par at faceoffs, and when I say that, I mean BAD.


Give me a minute and I'll take a couple pics comparing them.

[faceofflax15]

http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/5612/2875071730098672701S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2875071730098672701pKuIbW)

Thats a completly legal faceoff, Ball in middle of head.. But you will never see that, there will at most, be this.

http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/2289/2894733940098672701S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2894733940098672701alUXfo)

Which gives the advantage to the guy on the right-- Because he is not vertical, and has less room to go to control the ball.

http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/3018/2890903880098672701S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2890903880098672701XEkwIl)

That is what you will see on most faceoffs, both guys not vertical, getting close to the ball as they can, with their foot and head/body in the neutral zone.
So, no matter what, there will be one guy doing this, and if your not doing it and your other guy is doing this [You're not cheating], then your not trying because he will win. If he isn't doing it, and niether are you, because you can clearly win if you do it [You're not trying].


Thank you, Come again.

[DB6]

How do you counter act a punch?

[MadCowDisease]

http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/5612/2875071730098672701S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2875071730098672701pKuIbW)

Thats a completly legal faceoff, Ball in middle of head.. But you will never see that, there will at most, be this.

http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/2289/2894733940098672701S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2894733940098672701alUXfo)

Which gives the advantage to the guy on the right-- Because he is not vertical, and has less room to go to control the ball.

http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/3018/2890903880098672701S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2890903880098672701XEkwIl)

That is what you will see on most faceoffs, both guys not vertical, getting close to the ball as they can, with their foot and head/body in the neutral zone.
So, no matter what, there will be one guy doing this, and if your not doing it and your other guy is doing this [You're not cheating], then your not trying because he will win. If he isn't doing it, and niether are you, because you can clearly win if you do it [You're not trying].


Thank you, Come again.
Thanks for this insight.

I guess I still play in U13, so the kids aren't that good, and so I don't have to cheat to get the ball, and try to play fair, and I'm not in a high school or college league where cheating is very abundant.

[faceofflax15]

How do you counter act a punch?
A clamp...

[faceofflax15]

Hmm, Does any one stare at the ref during a faceoff, and just start their move when they see the refs cheeks fill with air and get bigger..




My coach [not my faceoff one] was talking to the Michigan Fogo, and I guess when he goes down, he just stares at the ref and as soon as he sees the ref's cheeks fill with air, he starts his move..

[jedimasterPIMP]

Hmm, Does any one stare at the ref during a faceoff, and just start their move when they see the refs cheeks fill with air and get bigger..




My coach [not my faceoff one] was talking to the Michigan Fogo, and I guess when he goes down, he just stares at the ref and as soon as he sees the ref's cheeks fill with air, he starts his move..
Geoff Snyder did that, I do it every now and then, its just a little risky because you can't really see the ball, but then yet you get such a jump on the other guy it shouldn't really matter, but still its risky non the less.

[faceofflax15]

Geoff Snyder did that, I do it every now and then, its just a little risky because you can't really see the ball, but then yet you get such a jump on the other guy it shouldn't really matter, but still its risky non the less.
Yeah, thats who the MI guy said he learned it from...

Kinda sucks if the ref goes to the side and behind you as opposed to your opponent. I'll prolly try it a couple faceoffs this coming game for our team.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Yeah, thats who the MI guy said he learned it from...

Kinda sucks if the ref goes to the side and behind you as opposed to your opponent. I'll prolly try it a couple faceoffs this coming game for our team.
I mean I mess around with it in practice but in the end and in games I just like to see that ball but if i get nasty at it, I may start doin it more

[Valaxman17]

I took faceoffs our first game i won everyone with a jump and popping it back but then it became a 3-3 intead of 1-1 how to you guys suggest i keep it a 1-1 by primarily using the jump is it possible because i hit it backwards? but anyways what you guys were talking about with watching the ref i heard from a loyola player that the fogo from his highschool team was deaf so he would watch the ref then begin his move when he him about tpo blow the whistle

[MadCowDisease]

I took faceoffs our first game i won everyone with a jump and popping it back but then it became a 3-3 intead of 1-1 how to you guys suggest i keep it a 1-1 by primarily using the jump is it possible because i hit it backwards? but anyways what you guys were talking about with watching the ref i heard from a loyola player that the fogo from his highschool team was deaf so he would watch the ref then begin his move when he him about tpo blow the whistle
Grats on the faceoffs.
You need to be quick and ultimately dominate your other guy to be able to get the ball quickly, before the wings come in.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Does anyone else feel that they should change the high school rules to be like college rules (just down whistle no set)? I feel this way because some refs do college rules and others NFHS and it can really throw me off. But also I think it would just be better preparation for college to get used to the down whistle now. Anyone else feel this way?

[faceofflax15]

I took faceoffs our first game i won everyone with a jump and popping it back but then it became a 3-3 intead of 1-1 how to you guys suggest i keep it a 1-1 by primarily using the jump is it possible because i hit it backwards? but anyways what you guys were talking about with watching the ref i heard from a loyola player that the fogo from his highschool team was deaf so he would watch the ref then begin his move when he him about tpo blow the whistle
Don't pop it as far back, one guy has to win it cleanly or fast.
Does anyone else feel that they should change the high school rules to be like college rules (just down whistle no set)? I feel this way because some refs do college rules and others NFHS and it can really throw me off. But also I think it would just be better preparation for college to get used to the down whistle now. Anyone else feel this way?
In most of MI, where NFHS is used, the refs use just Down and Whistle. However one ref this year, continues on useing set, I've gotten three illegal procedures because of him,.

It really screws me up.

[Valaxman17]

in our second game i didnt pop it as far back and i got it before my wingmen got in but i got a couple illegal procedures for going when he said set because im used to from the other refs just down then whistle but i think NFHS should adopt college rules

[faceofflax15]

Yeah, or at least the ref should say what he is going to do before-hand.

[Valaxman17]

I tried to ask the ref beforehand when we captains met but he went into a whole speech and wouldnt let me ask maybe it was just the one ref though but i have been working on not popping it back as far for our game against woodberry that was supposed to betomorrow but it got canceled so im gonna try to perfect it for the next game thanks for the help guys

[faceofflax15]

Try pushing it forward, fast break.


Pull it back for a possession.

[Valaxman17]

so my friend got me a video of the guy ill be facing off against so i just watched it and it looks like what he does is clamp and then try to push over his opponent he looks to be about 6'1 so i'm thinking my strategy will be get low and either clamp and push it forward or just punch it forward when he goes to push me over then just step around him and have the fast break what do you guys think of this strategy?

[faceofflax15]

Well, it depends on what he's going against you.
If you're a lot smaller then him, he might just try to hit you, like a clamp and hit, if he does this, and your faster, just clamp, hold onto the clamp, get as low as you can go.. Like if needed, drop down to ground, he'll fall, push it forward, go fast break

[Valaxman17]

im 5'6 so i think ill try that

[Valaxman17]

well i am pretty pisseed right now at practice today the coach pulled me aside from facing off in our scrimmage and told me he wanted the other guy who is just larger than me (he has like 40 pounds on me) to take faceoffs even though every faceoff i've ever taken against him i've beaten him so i asked him why and he said because hes a big guy and can run them over so i responded well i can get us the fast break and he told me that he had already made his decision so basically his logic is the bigger the guy the better he is i thought that it was rtidiculous

[faceofflax15]

You're coach is flat out an idiot. He'll learn that, that method doesn't work.

[Valaxman17]

It really pisses me off because he asked me to faceoff for this year and i have started to love it and now hes taking it away well i am going to keep practicing to use it next year. On a good note i will still take a few faceoffs because my coach constantly keeps me on the field so when he goes out i get to take them the other thing is in our last game we split the faceoffs and i won everyone of mine and he lost everyone except for one

[faceofflax15]

Once he faces a good player taking F0s, he'll lose if he's just trying to bulldoze him, and if your coach sees he keeps losing, you're in.

[Valaxman17]

thats what i'm hoping

[faceofflax15]

Work on squat jumps and agility stuff to become quicker..

[MadCowDisease]

i have this problem when i faceoff im to slow out of my stance is there anything i can do to help
To increase hand speed, line up for a faceoff, and then with your left hand on the ground, move the head over the ball so that the pocket is facing you, and keep doing that for as fast as you can for like 20 seconds, then repeat a couple times a day.

[parker16]

try and punch his stick and do quickly rake out to the side or behind you, if not concentrate more on just hitting his stick with your right fist to make sure he doesnt get the draw... leave it to wing play

[faceofflax15]

try and punch his stick and do quickly rake out to the side or behind you, if not concentrate more on just hitting his stick with your right fist to make sure he doesnt get the draw... leave it to wing play
Never leave it to wing-play. I don't care how good your wingmen are, wingmen are your last solution. You want to get the ball for you, it's much easier to win a 1 vs. 1 then it is a 3 on 3.

[lancerlax3]

what kind of win percentage do college coaches look for in a FO mid?

[faceofflax15]

what kind of win percentage do college coaches look for in a FO mid?
In HS, you're going to want a very high win %.. In college, facing other NCAA players, around 65-70 percent is terriffic. In High School, you're going to want somewhere around 80-85...
But I'm just now starting the very begginning of it all--being a sophmore.

[lancerlax3]

ya im a sophomore too...this is my first year on varsity and so far 5 games into the season im 75%

[jedimasterPIMP]

Well, my junior year i was around 78% in a 23 game season and so far this year 7 games in I'm around 90%. And last summer when i got recruited I played off my face and was prolly around the 90's after god knows how many games. But the funny thing was that all the college coaches I talk to talked about the same thing. Coach Meade at Navy told me what he liked the most was when I didn't win the draw or the face off I would fight for the ball like it was the only thing in existence, and thats what caught his eye the most, not just complete and total domination. But winning them is pretty important and I would say to be a serious D1 fogo you would probably need to be in high 70's mid 80's and above to get some serious interest.

[aps11691]

what is the counter for someone who just bulls you out of the way and doesn't even do a move for the ball?

[faceofflax15]

what is the counter for someone who just bulls you out of the way and doesn't even do a move for the ball?
It's been asked a lot in this thread, get lower then him, take out his knees, and make sure you clamped the ball first..

[Valaxman17]

well we played woodberry forest yesterday the fogo that he put ahead of me lost everyone he took 4 I believe then he put me in for 3 which I won all of them then i rolled my ankle and the trainer suggested I shouldnt finish the game so my friend took the rest and he won them all so I'm hoping my coach decides to make me starting fogo again

aps I talked to faceofflax about that and he suggested clamping and dropping to the ground flat on the ground if you have to then pop it around him and get the fast break or take out his knees

and jedimaster where did you get recruited to?

[faceofflax15]

well we played woodberry forest yesterday the fogo that he put ahead of me lost everyone he took 4 I believe then he put me in for 3 which I won all of them then i rolled my ankle and the trainer suggested I shouldnt finish the game so my friend took the rest and he won them all so I'm hoping my coach decides to make me starting fogo again

aps I talked to faceofflax about that and he suggested clamping and dropping to the ground flat on the ground if you have to then pop it around him and get the fast break or take out his knees

and jedimaster where did you get recruited to?
I think he weas recruited to Bucknell.


And when I say get low, I mean like this

http://www.lax.com/bimages/1800/5

Notice how one of his legs isn't on the ground, you don't want to go on the ground ever, but get as low as possible. Thats how low you should be getting in a fight for ball or if he is trying to just blow by you

[lancerlax3]

Well, my junior year i was around 78% in a 23 game season and so far this year 7 games in I'm around 90%. And last summer when i got recruited I played off my face and was prolly around the 90's after god knows how many games. But the funny thing was that all the college coaches I talk to talked about the same thing. Coach Meade at Navy told me what he liked the most was when I didn't win the draw or the face off I would fight for the ball like it was the only thing in existence, and thats what caught his eye the most, not just complete and total domination. But winning them is pretty important and I would say to be a serious D1 fogo you would probably need to be in high 70's mid 80's and above to get some serious interest.

what about a smaller school, like D2 or D3?

[RIT37FO]

what about a smaller school, like D2 or D3?


its not really the % college coaches look for(although it IS a factor) its the hustle to the ball as well as what you do with the ball once you get it and if you lose can you play D?

[jedimasterPIMP]

its not really the % college coaches look for(although it IS a factor) its the hustle to the ball as well as what you do with the ball once you get it and if you lose can you play D?
Exactly, winning is a big factor, but if you can win and can't do anything with the ball once you have it, or don't hustle when you lose and can't play defense, you will never get looked at.

[Valaxman17]

Well next year I'm switching schools and I have a pretty good chance of making the varsity squad as a freshman(not trying to be cockey) and the guy who faces off is currently a senior so the FO position should be open to me to get me some playing time and I was wondering if you guys could give me a couple things to practice other than the things you guys have already stated so far what I have gotten out of it is be fast, be good defensively, learn how to get low, and beneath my man. Then things I can do at home is doing chops over the ball, and squeezing a tennis ball anything I missed?

[RIT37FO]

look at the first page

[Valaxman17]

Oh sorry I missed all the stuff faceofflax said thanks guys on another note today i tried a move in the 2 faceoffs i got to take at our gamme where i clamped and continued to roll the stick and because of the pinch on it and the force i made it popped the ball over my opponents stick and created a fast break and a goal for my team

do you guys think this move could be used at a higheer level (i doubt it but worth a shot) or was it just my opponent sucking (I'm in middle school so well you know)

[LinkPlaysLax]

recently i've began cheating more and more. i know there is a big debate on whether or not you should, but im with the cheating crowd now. i just wanted to get as much advice on it as possible, such as cheating moves (two finger, grabbing the ball (my fav)) and any other tricks (whispering go before the whistle, watching the ref, etc)

as i said before, my new favorite move is to go down moto-grip, and when the whistle blows jump over the ball with your hand and just snag it and throw it sideways or forward. my coach watched me do it in practice, and he knew i was doing it, but couldnt tell i actually was grabbing it. its worked a few times in games, its just tricky if you miss snagging the ball.

[jedimasterPIMP]

I have a general question for everyone, if you do pinch your heads, whats your method?

I generally boil my heads and use a wooden stick to keep the top 6.5 inches. Then I use a baseball put it down in the throat of my stick and tie it up pretty tight and let it boil for a long long time. Sometimes I also will string it up, and put the baseball in the back and steam the head using a colander over a pot of boiling water. Works like a charm if you need to fix an illegal stick.

[RIT37FO]

I normally do the "tie the stick up and pen twist trick"

[cnlax19]

u know what a c clap is right... Well could i use that to pinch my head, then boil it instead of tying it? :dummy:

[faceofflax15]

Boil it, and tie it with crosslace/sidewall to pinch it.

or tie it up with the same stuff and put it by a surface room heater for a day or two..

then fridge for a day.

[jedimasterPIMP]

I don't normally use the fridge because I am just afraid that the change in temp will make the head weaker so instead I just let it sit at room temp till it cools off.

[faceofflax15]

Do you pinch your blades or... Because I don't see why you pinch them..

And if you want, I'll take a blade from you, ha.

[texaslax19]

thanks, i read this and finally got enough courage to try some of this stuff in a game. good job.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Yeah I pinch my blades are you kidding me? The head itself gives great flexibility but I like to tinker around with it a bit in order to make it really great. I'll try to post pics later

[jedimasterPIMP]

Here's the blade
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1606/dsc00937yc7.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00937yc7.jpg)

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8433/dsc00938jg7.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00938jg7.jpg)

I'll try to post my cyber later too

[faceofflax15]

Yeah, you should probaly just trade me a blade... If you have mult.

[RIT37FO]

after seeing your blade ive decided to keep and pinch mine, so much for that 100$ off ebay

[faceofflax15]

F'in faceoffs, broke another torque.

[fcoffman]

hey when you clamp do you clamp down with your bottom hand or top hand. cause i just throw my top arm forward for a clamp and push my bottom hand around. so do you twist the stick with the left hand only?

[jedimasterPIMP]

And the cyber
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8444/dsc00939wi8.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00939wi8.jpg)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2281/dsc00940kp7.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00940kp7.jpg)

and no my blade is my blade sorry faceoff

[Valaxman17]

I have a question is it legal for a guy to elbow your stick

[faceofflax15]

And the cyber
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8444/dsc00939wi8.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00939wi8.jpg)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2281/dsc00940kp7.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00940kp7.jpg)

and no my blade is my blade sorry faceoff
I thought you were like other people and have 1000000 blades.

[gigo567]

My Razer Pro and Clutch both snapped on the sidewall.

And I had to keep facing off with the broken Razer Pro during the game. Every time I tried to clamp, punch or do anything on the FO the head would fold up.

And the Clutch broke on the seam.

[jedimasterPIMP]

I wish i had that many

[Valaxman17]

got to take faceoffs today went 90% the one i lost was because the kid was hollding me up with his stick but we got it back after they got it so it was all good but faceoff i have a black blade i could sell or trade you PM me

[faceofflax15]

got to take faceoffs today went 90% the one i lost was because the kid was hollding me up with his stick but we got it back after they got it so it was all good but faceoff i have a black blade i could sell or trade you PM me
Hey, my PMs are being whack, PM me bro. Congrats tho.

[Valaxman17]

pmed you i might keep it though if we dont work out a deal

[fcoffman]

thanks for the tips.. i start jv and when we scrimmaged varsity i won all of my face offs when i normally get owned by the varsity boys. yeah it was sweet.

[lslaxer]

I just finished my game and I am so happy I won every single faceoff and the ref was convinced that I was cheating somehow when it was actually that the other kid just sucked. I just quick clamped it each time, worked like a charm, however by the end it was a little too easy. Just wanted to share that.

Also, the ref said that tape on the top of your stick counts as the plastic, so I had to put my hand pretty far down on the first FO because I put so much tape on it. I took pretty much it all off, and maybe I'm just clueless, but no other ref has enforced this on me this season, he said it was a new rule.

[RIT37FO]

some refs call it some refs dont

[lslaxer]

This might be a stupid question, but will the plunger still be an effective move after the 09 rule is enforced? The less pinched a head is the harder it is for me to plunger, obviously, and I just wonder if it is still effective with a wider head like a proton or x2.

[RIT37FO]

this is a thought that has ran through my head several times, and sadly no most likly not. i used a proton last summer but i had to pinch it alot to do the plunger

[MTstreaks19]

This is a good picture

[faceofflax15]

If the head is flexible, It'll still possible, you're just going to have to put a lot more pressure on your head.


I guess I'll have to start doing more of a push then a plunger then.

[bigdale9]

great guide but what about boxing someone out. it is a great move to hod off the other center middie and get one of your middies in there to scoop the ball.
to do this as soon as the ref blows the whistle turn around and block the guy with your back or butt. then call a middie over to get the ball. i promise you that your team will win faceoffs 75 percent of the time.

[GBaschski]

Uh not if the opposing face-off guy has any clue how to play the game. He could very easily just clamp the ball and rake it out to a wingman, therefore making you look very stupid.

[RIT37FO]

Uh not if the opposing face-off guy has any clue how to play the game. He could very easily just clamp the ball and rake it out to a wingman, therefore making you look very stupid.


seconded.
takes a fraction of a second to clamp takes a second or two to turn around

[faceofflax15]

Thirded.


When a guy just tries to push me off the ball or just to box me out with no well thought out or properly acted move, I'll just do a little half clamp, helmet to the knee, and then fast break after a push/plunger.

[jedimasterPIMP]

This might be a stupid question, but will the plunger still be an effective move after the 09 rule is enforced? The less pinched a head is the harder it is for me to plunger, obviously, and I just wonder if it is still effective with a wider head like a proton or x2.
I know what you mean and like RIT I have thought about how the rule will change how I face off. I think I will just have to get a legal head and boil in up for a while to get it really nice and flexible so its easier to do a plunger. That and I was trying to think of a way to pinch the bottom to the stick because most of the rule changes measure from the front of the stick not that back.

[Valaxman17]

after seeing jedimasters blade i pinched mine and i love it ill put some pics up tomorrow and on the rule change after boiling my proton i could plunge well with a little more muscle then i had to use before no big deal

[lslaxer]

Does anyoen have a recording of a whistle they could send me? Or know where I can get one or record it? It would be cool if I could get it on my iPod, I just don't know how to record stuff.

[fogo18]

anyone have any tips on how to unpinch a head? its an evo 2.0. ive tried simply bending it myself but that hasnt worked. the ball will stick in and get me a witholding about two or three times a game, even when i just try to rake it out. im trying to avoid buying a new head but from what ive read evos suck for faceoffs.

[Valaxman17]

put a hockey puck in the throat then boil it or baseball in the throat

[MadCowDisease]

Seasons coming to an end for some of us.
Last game was yesterday, tourney is next week.
So; post up your stats!
In the regular seasons, I've been 20/22.

[lancerlax3]

so far 14 games into the season im 214/301 (71%). ive still got two more regular season games and then sectionals

[faceofflax15]

Last time they calculated it for me I was at 82% for the season, It's been a few games since then though.

[cbhslacrossemid]

Its a small world, me and jedimasterpimp will be going to Bucknell, I verbally committed yesterday and he is a senior.
BTW? Where do you measure the scoop on the blade when its checked for legality? the inside groove or inside the plastic?

[jedimasterPIMP]

Yeah its the inside groove I have a wooden dowl cut to 6.5 that I tape in place in the scoop so everything is legal.

[lslaxer]

Its a small world, me and jedimasterpimp will be going to Bucknell, I verbally committed yesterday and he is a senior.
BTW? Where do you measure the scoop on the blade when its checked for legality? the inside groove or inside the plastic?
Congrats, and are you saying that you both will be going to Bucknell? Also, you will be playing with an alum from my HS, frosh attackman Austin Winters. Were you recruited as a faceoff man?

[Valaxman17]

Yeah its the inside groove I have a wooden dowl cut to 6.5 that I tape in place in the scoop so everything is legal.
wait you tape it on during games?

[cbhslacrossemid]

Congrats, and are you saying that you both will be going to Bucknell? Also, you will be playing with an alum from my HS, frosh attackman Austin Winters. Were you recruited as a faceoff man?

I am a junior, jedi's a senior. He'll be there next year, I will be there after that. I was recruited as a faceoff man.

[RIT37FO]

congrats to both of you

[lslaxer]

So what is everyone's go-to move? What do you use when that's not working? I rely on my power/down the line clamp, and if thats not working for me my next best bet is my laser jump.

[faceofflax15]

Plunger/Half Clamp and Push it forward.
Then my second move is the Jump-Slide-Grab Combo [See the video I posted for video of it].

Then if those aren't working, Clamp, And push it behind me.

[RIT37FO]

clamp/s-curve out
clamp/plunger out
and clamp/bully over

[jedimasterPIMP]

Plunge the crap out of it
Clamping down the line and poop it out right behind me (a bit like a reverse plunger)
Rake (if they're jamming)
Reverse Clamp if I'm bored
Grab the ball for s's and g's
Something really cool that I can think of like maybe a hand stand or something

[RIT37FO]

head stands are the 28inch rims of the face off world

[CnSLax3]

What's a good move for when the person who is clamping is really crowding the ball?

[GBaschski]

Crowd it right back

[fogo18]

whenever someone bigger then me is using a power clamp and then diving on it i either try to jam them or stand up and try to win the groundball

[jedimasterPIMP]

if he is really diving on it a jam won't do much unless you have like spider man quickness, so personally i would reverse clamp that sucker, provides nice power and is a really quick move to get the ball out before he can clamp over and dive on it

[faceofflax15]

Personally, I'd go with a half-clamp, punch with my left hand, Drive the brill of my helmet into his knee as hard as I can, and go for the GB. I gaurentee if you keep driving your helmet into his knee, he'll back off.

[Valaxman17]

half clamp/plunge and pop it forward
alt.: jump and pop it back a couple feet and scoop it
then jam or or lazer/push

[pantherLax]

1) Can some one please re-explain the lazer?
2) And the difference between the jam and the jump?
3) And the counter to a jump...is a push or a lazer?

I know all of them are explained in the 1st page or GeorgiaMiddie's tutorial, but i either dont understand it or i think that i am still doing something wrong.

Thank you.

[lslaxer]

Could someone clarify what a deflator is? When they're clamping the ball and you move their stick some direction? That's all I really know.

[faceofflax15]

I dont even know what you're talking about LSlaxer.

So I bought an agility ladder. Damn, it gets hard, to split dodge every time through,.

[Lacrosse4life31]

sticky this izzzz
yea make it a sticky!

[gigo567]

yea make it a sticky!
It already is a sticky.

[GBaschski]

1) Can some one please re-explain the lazer?
2) And the difference between the jam and the jump?
3) And the counter to a jump...is a push or a lazer?.

1. The lazer is when you curl your right wrist towards you, turning the bottom sidewall towards the ball, while pulling back with your left hand at the same time. If your opponent jumps, it should pop the ball forward and you can get a fast break.

2. A jump is just hopping over the ball with your head and putting your head in between the ball and your opponent's stick. From here you can reverse clamp and push it out wherever you want it. A jam is similar to a jump in that you go over the ball, but instead of going over with your head, you go over and move down the line at the same time, therefore putting your right hand (or your shaft in between your hands) over the ball. While doing this you should be punching your hand/shaft into your opponent's head to prevent them from clamping.

3. The traditional counter to a jump is lazer, but you can jam it and that would work as well.

[LaxJax_13]

I know of a few face-off camps, but our goalie was telling me how there are face-off recruiting camps, and how someone from our team had gone to one. Does anyone know of any?

[CPlax19]

The videos helped me alot. i can never get the ball in the air.

p.s. Sick black sheep. are the green/white ones called black sheep also?

[lslaxer]

I would be interested in faceoff camps, I don't think there are any that are overnight, the only ones I have foudn by looking online was a daycamp in Long Island, and then a clinic with Paul Cantabene.

[GBaschski]

Alright guys I'm officially switching to Long Stick Middie. I'll definitely still be manning the X for my team. Any tips on how to make the transition from shorty to long stick on the faceoff?

[Valaxman17]

use the longpoel as leverage in groundball situationds you have the advantage cas well you have a long pole

[jedimasterPIMP]

Could someone clarify what a deflator is? When they're clamping the ball and you move their stick some direction? That's all I really know.
damn i remember hearing about that a while ago i'll get back to you on it.....

[Valaxman17]

From what I've seen, the deflator is more effective than the two finger move. I have seen legit college guys use the deflator, which is where you grab the top sidewall of their stick while they are clamping and they pull it towards them, making the ball go the other way. It's tough to do, but very effective and very frustrating for the other guy when done right.
Is that right?

[RIT37FO]

you mean the hot air balloon?
thats a clamp that you reverse pinch and then pull it back through your legs and throw it over your back for a fast break...nearly impossible to pull off

only other thing i can think a delfator is a clamp to push punge to pinch the ball then poping it over your shoulder/behind theback thing for a fast break

[Valaxman17]

RIT those sound impossible to do in a game situation or against any decent fogo

[lslaxer]

No RIT I don't think it's a fancy move, it's more of a cheat move where you put your hand on their head, and move it in some direction, but I don't completely understand how it works.

[RIT37FO]

RIT those sound impossible to do in a game situation or against any decent fogo

the first one is pretty much impssible
the second one isnt really to hard rather than just raking backwards your continue the rake in a rainbow fasion over your back
i do it in summer ball everynow and then

[MadCowDisease]

you mean the hot air balloon?
thats a clamp that you reverse pinch and then pull it back through your legs and throw it over your back for a fast break...nearly impossible to pull off

only other thing i can think a delfator is a clamp to push punge to pinch the ball then poping it over your shoulder/behind theback thing for a fast break
For the hot air balloon.... would that be like plungering it so the ball is facing you and popping it over you and the other guy so fast break? I did that in one of my practices... it was pretty cool.

[WNHSlacrosse29]

i use combo of the jump but insteed of clamping at the end i flick my wrist to spit it out and was wondering if that is a good i idea and how read the counter to that.

is it good that i use only the back of my wrists and not the normal like under side of the wrist.



and can the head affect face off moves

[bulldog24]

i think the cheat move youre talking about is to slide your hands to your right and grap the upper sidewall of your opponents head with your top hand. then just pull back like you were raking it behind you while still griping his hands. its like a jam but moving the ball.

[BwineLAX42]

The hot Air balloon isn't that hard as long as you step with your right foot to the side and forwards than you have your stick lined up right between your legs. Sometimes the other person will think you put it behind you and go for it, then you have atleast a 6 on 5 fastbreak.

Any advancement on the premade wistle track?

[lslaxer]

i think the cheat move youre talking about is to slide your hands to your right and grap the upper sidewall of your opponents head with your top hand. then just pull back like you were raking it behind you while still griping his hands. its like a jam but moving the ball.
No, that sounds like the two-finger to me, but it might be something else, but it's not the deflator.

And Bwine, check out General forum someone made one digitally.

[tclacrosse18]

hey rit did you or anyone else you know make something like the tfrog thing?

[lslaxer]

hey rit did you or anyone else you know make something like the tfrog thing?
Look on the first page, FO15 explained how you could go about making one.

[tclacrosse18]

i meant like have they done it because id wanna see pictures.

[FeauxGeaux]

I would be interested in faceoff camps, I don't think there are any that are overnight, the only ones I have foudn by looking online was a daycamp in Long Island, and then a clinic with Paul Cantabene.

There will be an overnight one this summer, the National Faceoff Academy

http://laxcamps.com/camps/Clinic/lawrencevilleFOClinic.html

[faceofflax15]

We lost our last game of the season :[. 10-9 in OT, against a team thats never lost a KVC [our conference] game. it was playoffs.


I won the ot faceoff, man, this is hard. A season is done.

[cbehrer]

alright, i just have a quick question

when you guys get stick checked, do they check the back of your stick to see if the ball gets stuck?

[faceofflax15]

no... they don't

[manup5183]

the coolest FO photo i have ever seen. period.

http://www.lax.com/bimages/1857/10

[laxplayer201092]

http://www.lax.com/bimages/1858/276

huh....

[pantherLax]

Whats so confusing about that pic? He grabbed the ball, or the ball popped out near his glove is

[MadCowDisease]

the coolest FO photo i have ever seen. period.

http://www.lax.com/bimages/1857/10
He clamped, and was going forward, as is his "pop and whatever technique". Clamp and pop it ahead. You can see the ball in his head.
Not really that cool imo.

[manup5183]

He clamped, and was going forward, as is his "pop and whatever technique". Clamp and pop it ahead. You can see the ball in his head.
Not really that cool imo.

Uh, I know what he was doing, when did I ask what his technique was? and apparently there are cooler FO pics? wanna show them?

[faceofflax15]

Lets all just chill, we're all great buddies in the faceoff world.



Wohoo, I get a blade in the next couple days, Shweet. And its already pinched for me.


Hopefully this wont break, because 3 torques broken in one season? Terrible.

[MadCowDisease]

Uh, I know what he was doing, when did I ask what his technique was? and apparently there are cooler FO pics? wanna show them?
I was just saying I dont think theres much interesting about that pic. Another interesting one imo is when Alex Smith grabbed the ball.

[Valaxman17]

Lets all just chill, we're all great buddies in the faceoff world.



Wohoo, I get a blade in the next couple days, Shweet. And its already pinched for me.


Hopefully this wont break, because 3 torques broken in one season? Terrible.
wooohoo i get a flipgrip yay i broke 1 torque this year and madcow and manup stop fighting

[gigo567]

wooohoo i get a flipgrip yay i broke 1 torque this year and madcow and manup stop fighting
Magnum or Ti?

The Ti22 flipgrip dents to much.

[Valaxman17]

magnun i bent a ti22 regular grip

[faceofflax15]

Valax gets an amazing silver flippy with absolutely no dents or anything :].


I don't even want to talk about my great dissapointment with the TI22 Flip.

[DJ Death]

I was just saying I dont think theres much interesting about that pic. Another interesting one imo is when Alex Smith grabbed the ball.
no, that definitely looks like a two-handed grab, which i have never seen before:
http://www.lax.com/cimages/bigs/18/1858-276.jpg
if you look closely, he's got the index finger of his left hand wrapped around the ball and the index finger of his right hand is also there to keep the ball in place. is there a special technique to this or is this just some personal variation of a grab?

[Valaxman17]

Valax gets an amazing silver flippy with absolutely no dents or anything :].


I don't even want to talk about my great dissapointment with the TI22 Flip.
i was disapointed in the regular grip never tried the flip

[hattrick619]

this is awesome, but, if u want a laugh, listen to the conversations going on in the backgrounds of the vids, particularly the lazer haha

[Valaxman17]

http://www.lax.com/stories/746

anyone else read this? its not bad anyone tried the "top with back spin"

[lslaxer]

I don't understnad the "push and pop" from that article, is it like the plunger?

[pantherLax]

Yea it sounds like push and pop is the plunger.
I dont understand the "top with back spin"

[faceofflax15]

Dang, this blade is sooooooo easy to plunger with...

[shakerlax222225]

Yea it sounds like push and pop is the plunger.
I dont understand the "top with back spin"
for the top with backspin you put your sidewall on top of the ball and push down hard and roll your head a little bit back. the head should roll of the ball and because the ball is rubber it should go up and into the head. it isnt very easy, it might be easier with a wider head because the ball will have a wider area to get in.

[shakerlax222225]

http://www.lax.com/stories/746

anyone else read this? its not bad anyone tried the "top with back spin"
i have, its a fun move. ive been practicing it occasionally for summer league and i might use it

[shakerlax222225]

this is awesome, but, if u want a laugh, listen to the conversations going on in the backgrounds of the vids, particularly the lazer haha
haha, it took me a while to figure out what they are saying since its far away but its funny

[RIT37FO]

its from the movie OutCold

[shakerlax222225]

can somebody explain the s clamp to me?

[stregs12]

I don't get the lazer and how u can get a fast break from it against the jump. which way do u cok ur left hand?

[cardinalslax]

I don't get the lazer and how u can get a fast break from it against the jump. which way do u cok ur left hand?

your hands should be the same all the time
and the lazer works against a jump because while theyre busy going OVER the ball you hit it out from under...when theyre about to come down on it

[stregs12]

There is also another faceoff which I have heard off. It's called the Up and Over. Basically it is like the Jump except instead of turning your head down and clamping the ball like a Jump, at the whistle you put your head up and over the ball so it's on the other side of the ball. From there you can do whatever you feel like. :thumbsup:

[lslaxer]

There is also another faceoff which I have heard off. It's called the Up and Over. Basically it is like the Jump except instead of turning your head down and clamping the ball like a Jump, at the whistle you put your head up and over the ball so it's on the other side of the ball. From there you can do whatever you feel like. :thumbsup:
That's what I consider a jump, I think you're talking about a reverse clamp vs. a jump, but maybe people consider those to be synonyms. What does anyone else think?
EDIT: This is a great shot of a jump. It's the second faceoff in the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTVGAATlVc0

[Valaxman17]

What were your guys face off percentages now that your seasons are over?

[faceofflax15]

Banquet is on thursday, so I'll find out for sure then, but it was 78%, but my guess is it dropped a bit to around 70-73ish

[MadCowDisease]

What were your guys face off percentages now that your seasons are over?
Something like high 80's low 90's.

[MadCowDisease]

What were your guys face off percentages now that your seasons are over?
Something like high 80's low 90's.
I wanna play goalie next year... but I'll still own everyone on my team at fo's :).

[Valaxman17]

mad cow what level are you playing at?

[MadCowDisease]

mad cow what level are you playing at?
I'm currently playing in a youth league, u13 specifically[i'm 12]. I've been playing for just over 6 months.
I feel like trying out all the positions, and even if I dont stick with the goalie I know how they think and how it feels, so I'll have that much more of an advantage as a middie if I go back.

[cclaxer]

My top 3 face off heads are 1. Torque 2. Duce 3. Primer, they are all light and stiff. Last year i faced with a truth and i was sick of coming up with the ball and the head being compleatly bent in on direction and hardly being able to throw. Are there any other good work outs besides the chopping one and besides just practicing the moves. Also in my stance is it legal to put my right foot so far forward that my shaft lays on it? If found that this makes it crazy easy to throw my left hand forward and really easy to clamp.

[RIT37FO]

your shaft butt end must be touching the ground otherwise it can be called. you can how ever have your foot right next to it so at the whistle you and be right there to do it the same way.

[lancerlax3]

What were your guys face off percentages now that your seasons are over?

around 71%, but my banquets the 11th so we'll see......im also interested to see how many gbs i had

[lancerlax3]

question about sending film.........would it be better to send a game where i went 14/20 (70%) against a good team, or a game where i went 21/25 (84%) against a not so good team?

[RIT37FO]

its better to send the film of you working harder.

[lancerlax3]

im not sure if that means the better team or not, but i worked equally hard in both games, since the face off guy wasnt as bad as his team was

[laxkid891]

send the film where u went 70% against a harder team

[DJ Death]

im not sure if that means the better team or not, but i worked equally hard in both games, since the face off guy wasnt as bad as his team was
well then if you know how to do it, splice the film and show only the faceoff's, not the entire game.

[RIT37FO]

why not just edit the tapes? make a highlight film plenty of people do it for a price (normaly 400-500$) its becomming a rather lucrative buisness in the sports world. but its really none to hard

(ot)mine price is 300$ if you are looking for someone to put one togeather for you(ot)

[lancerlax3]

ya i might do that, my brother says he knows how to do it

[lslaxer]

http://www.middletonfitness.com/search.htm?step=2&viewfrom=1&numresults=10&searchterm=prodigy I've been looking into a Prodigy, and it seems like this place has them. I was under the impression they were not being sold anywhere, has anyone used this site before?

[faceofflax15]

Thats sweet, I'd love to buy a prodigy.

[faceofflax15]

76%, sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeet. Not bad at all for my sophomore season...

[laxkid891]

http://www.middletonfitness.com/search.htm?step=2&viewfrom=1&numresults=10&searchterm=prodigy I've been looking into a Prodigy, and it seems like this place has them. I was under the impression they were not being sold anywhere, has anyone used this site before?
im pretty sure this is the place that st1acrosse works at....you should pm him and talk to him about it

[LaxJax_13]

Just found this site that still sells blades for $56.99 unstrung, http://www.fuddlacrosse.com//customer/product.php?productid=153&cat=25&page=1
I don't know how reliable the place is but it looks legit.

[manup5183]

If any of you remember the specialists sniper I composed a few months ago, It recently snapped. So I found another sniper than pinched and strung it up nearly identical to my last. Snipers are really great heads, a little flexy after pinched but I still am able to get through all the moves with it. Also, I thought I had a pretty good idea with taping the throat only and not the shaft, this way you can take the head off without taking off the tape.
http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/AASNIPER_00157e.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/AASNIPER_00157e.jpg)
http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/AASNIPER_0023e6.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/AASNIPER_0023e6.jpg)
http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/AASNIPER_0039f2.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/AASNIPER_0039f2.jpg)
http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/AASNIPER_004c16.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/AASNIPER_004c16.jpg)
http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/AASNIPER_005a96.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/AASNIPER_005a96.jpg)
http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/AASNIPER_0063df.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/AASNIPER_0063df.jpg)

lemme know if you want more pics/angles

[faceofflax15]

If any of you remember the specialists sniper I composed a few months ago, It recently snapped. So I found another sniper than pinched and strung it up nearly identical to my last. Snipers are really great heads, a little flexy after pinched but I still am able to get through all the moves with it. Also, I thought I had a pretty good idea with taping the throat only and not the shaft, this way you can take the head off without taking off the tape.
lemme know if you want more pics/angles
Nice sniper, but the point of taping the head throat with tape is so the throat blends in with the shaft and the ref has a harder time seeing your hands on the throat. by taking off the tape on the shaft, the ideas sort of gone.

[manup5183]

Nice sniper, but the point of taping the head throat with tape is so the throat blends in with the shaft and the ref has a harder time seeing your hands on the throat. by taking off the tape on the shaft, the ideas sort of gone.

Your hand is over the tape on the head and there is still a strip on the shaft that is partially covered by my glove. I see where you are going though.

[FrontierFOGO]

Im thinking of using a blade head can u guys give me all the info on it?
Great Forum by the way

[RIT37FO]

i can tell you that you cant find them anywhere

then again i have 6 of them :)

[manup5183]

Im thinking of using a blade head can u guys give me all the info on it?
Great Forum by the way

Very flexible and bendy, fantastic for plungers or any variations of it.

[FrontierFOGO]

Im thinking of using a blade head so can someone please give me info on it?

[manup5183]

Im thinking of using a blade head so can someone please give me info on it?

I just did...look above

[chucktownattack]

In a recent sanctioned summer game, I went to clamp. As I went down to clamp, my opponent smashed his shaft over my wrists where they were unprotected. Is this a legal move? If so, do any of you guys use it?

[FrontierFOGO]

Are blades a stiffer type of heads that dont warp?

[RIT37FO]

In a recent sanctioned summer game, I went to clamp. As I went down to clamp, my opponent smashed his shaft over my wrists where they were unprotected. Is this a legal move? If so, do any of you guys use it?

legal and effective.

[chucktownattack]

legal and effective.

Is there a name to the move? Is it just some sort of Lazer?

[manup5183]

In a recent sanctioned summer game, I went to clamp. As I went down to clamp, my opponent smashed his shaft over my wrists where they were unprotected. Is this a legal move? If so, do any of you guys use it?

Yes, its called a jam. I use it as a last resort thing if he beats me in a clamp or has been beating me in a clamp. and to answer your pm, I found the sniper on these forums. Only 10 bucks!