THE FACE OFF THREAD!!!

[RIT37FO]

>Stance/Set-up:

The correct stance is one of the most important aspects of the face-off. There are many ways you can set up for a face-off, everyone has there own style. But it is important to remember these three tips:

1. Don't put any weight on your hands when setting up, you should be able to lift your hands off the ground when doing a face-off and still keep your balance. Also not putting a lot of weight on your hands allows you to move a lot quicker, also putting you weight on your hands makes you easier to read.(ie : heads pressed down he is clamping)

2. Set your hands on your stick the same way for every face off; this way you are practicing proper technique, and it is harder for the other man to read what move you are going to do. Place your right hand on the top of your stick as close to the throat as you can, and the left hand in the middle.

3. Line up as close to the ball as you can also make sure to keep ur hands off the plastic because that will also get you called.

>Reading a Player:

No matter if this player is the best or the worst face-off player in the world he is readable. Some are better at hiding what they are going to do, but it can still be done. The most common changes are in the pressure that he has in his hands, the position of the players hands on their stick, and their wrist position. The left wrist position tells a lot about what move he will do. For instance:

1.If the players left wrist is off the ground he will most likely jump the ball or punch it.
2.If the players left wrist is resting on the ground he will usually clamp.
3. players left wrist is cocked like he is about the throttle a motorcycle expect a jump or lazer
4.a players wrist cocked back will most likly be a clamp


>Countering:

Being able to counter your opponent’s move is also important for being a good face-off middie. The clamp is one of the most popular moves for the face-off but is also the easiest to counter-act. To counter act the Clamp* you use the jump*. To counter act a move such as the jump you would do something I call the punch*. When setting up for the punch put a little bit of pressure on your right hand, and as soon as the whistle blows make a punching motion with your right hand. This will cause the ball to go forward so be ready to scoop it up, or set a pick so a wingman can get it.
*Refer to the moves section of the post for an explanation of these moves

>Stick Type/What you look for in a face off head:

Offset or not:
Although many of the sticks made now days are offset, a lot of face-off men still like to use on-set or straight heads because it allows them to get there throat of the stick closer to the ball. Offset does have its advantages because for moves such as the jump you don't have to move the head of your stick as much because of how it’s set up. When it comes down to it, it’s all about personal preference.

Flexibility:
Most players who do face-offs prefer stiff heads. They have stiff heads because they don't want their heads to bend due to the other player pushing on them with their stick and all the other contact involved in a face-off.
such as someone jumping into your clamp and you head warps allowing your opponent to get the ball out.

Flexible sticks can help in getting the ball out of your opponents stick because it can pinch it self temporarily around the ball. More flexible heads can also be used for moves such as the plunger. The only thing to worry about flexible heads it that they sometimes don't flex back all the right after the face-off do to the pressure you put on it. So if you use more force in your moves go with a stiff head.

>Basic Moves


Clamp:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/th_CIMG0685.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/?action=view&current=CIMG0685.flv)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/th_CIMG0687.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/?action=view&current=CIMG0687.flv)
This is probably the most common and simplest move in the game today. It goes like this. Basically, you snap your left hand forward, so as to make the back of your head come down on top of the ball. You can then rake the ball out to your wing or pop it behind you to pick it up yourself.
there are many varietys of this move. full/half are the two most common
OTHER TIPS: throwing your left hand forward will help you get under the other guys head. also "sawing" in works very well to. by sawing i mean wedging your head and rotating side to side to help get over the ball in a 50/50 clamp. also if you are having a problem with the guy you are facing take a step with your right leg to the line this will stop the down the line move and will also bump your opponent off the ball.



LAZER JUMP:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/th_CIMG0686.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/?action=view&current=CIMG0686.flv)
the lazer jump- basicaly just a lazer but insted of pushing the ball forward your lifiting you stick up a little bit and you cover the ball with the face of the stick from there you can do what ever you want to get it out.

West Geny jump- friend from west geny showed me this one said its what they worked on there- when jumping shoot left arm forward and get the middel(inbetween hands)of the shaft over the ball then you knock the ball through your legs by pulling the stick back. (third jump in vid)



Jump:(see video above)
The jump is sometimes called a reverse clamp due to the fact that you still trap the ball with your head, but you trap it with the face of your head, instead of the back. Here’s how it goes. This move requires a lot of things to go on at once, so it is a slight bit complicated. You use your right hand to pick your head up off the ground, while tilting the top back towards yourself and pushing it forward at he same time. You then bring it back down once you get over the ball, so as to trap the ball. Once again, you can either rake it or pop back to yourself. If you did the move correctly, your stick should be underneath your opponent’s, as this move is used to beat the clamp.
OR Set up with you 12 inches of stick between your hands. On the whistle, pretend the ball is is about 12 inches over. Aim to put the shaft over the ball and the shaft inside the back of your opponant's head to pin it down, then stick two fingers on your lefthand out and flick the ball back between your legs b/c this is ilegal and if you pull it fast enough, the ref will not see it and you'll piss your opponant off. (The legal way is to use the shaft to roll the ball between your legs)


Punch: No video at this time
Also called a push, this is another fairly simple move; it just takes a little muscle. Here’s how it goes. Using your right hand, you tilt the top sidewall of your head back toward yourself, while pushing the head forward at the same time. This will hopefully push the ball forward, so it ends up behind your opponent. It works best against a jump, but can also work well against a clamp.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/th_CIMG0688.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/?action=view&current=CIMG0688.flv)
The LAZER- cocking your left hand ready to twist the stick and keeping your right hand tight enought to keep your stick from twisting to early go down. then at the whistle relase right hand allowing the left hand to twist fill blast and push forward with the right hand at the same time. this will lie the stick flat on the ground if you opponent is jumping shound cause a fast break for you.

Plunger:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/th_CIMG0684.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/?action=view&current=CIMG0684.flv)
This is a really fun move if you can actually pull it off in a game. It goes like this. When the whistle blows, you clamp down half-way. You then lift up on the back of your shaft and put some weight on your head. This will pinch the ball in between your sidewalls. You can then pull it out and flip it to yourself or a teammate. Be careful with this one, though, as some refs may call you for it seeing as it is technically stuck in the back of your head, but the rule is kinda shady on all this, and if you get it down fast enough, most refs won’t have enough time to see that it is stuck in your head. Also this move will warp your head much faster than most the other moves.
the plunger is a great move for fast breaks once you get the move down
by only doing a half clamp this will cut your clamping time down and lifting the handle will cause the side walls of the stick to pinch the ball. the ball dosnt need to be all the way in the stick just enough to pinch. try the move out a few time befor attempting it in a game because the first few times you try you will most likly clamp or not clamp enough and miss the ball in the pinch
this move can be done in a full clamp but its harder and you need to be quicker because the clamp will (you guessed it) take longer than the half clamp.

Two Finger:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/th_CIMG0691.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/?action=view&current=CIMG0691.flv)
Ah, the infamous two-finger… so cheap, yet so effective. Be very careful with this one, as it WILL be called EVERY time if the ref ends up seeing it, and there have been cases of people breaking their fingers from this move I HAVE SEEN IT. Here’s how it goes. If you know your opponent is gonna clamp, you take you index and middle fingers on your right hand and flip them out, so as to catch his mesh as he clamps down. You then lift up his stick and either rake it or kick it out. This move should only be used but two or three times a game since your opponent will pick up on it pretty quick if you keep using it. And, you must remember to hide your hands from the ref with your body so he can’t actually see what you are doing.


The Grab:
http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/?action=view&current=CIMG0689.flv
^video^
going down in moto grip at whistle use your right hand to grab the ball, either by slidding the stick to the right to get your hand there or by jumping a little bit. after the grab thow the ball through your legs. keep in mind if the ref sees this you will be called. normaly only works once or twice in the game because your rival will quickly notice this.


KAMAKAZI- nonsence move works in summer games and stuff like that
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/th_CIMG0680.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/?action=view&current=CIMG0680.flv)
just make sure you have the ball befor you do this move other wise you look pretty stupid :crazy: also some refs might call this with holding

Tips:
-Your three main moves are like a game of “rock, paper, scissors”. A clamp, beats a push, which beats a jump, which beats a clamp. So, reading his hands and anticipating his move is an important tool in facing off.
-When clamping, if you both clamp at the some time, and neither has fully clamped the ball, it helps to push your left hand forward. This will help you get your stick under his. If he does beat you in the clamp, try to get your right foot in the path of where he will rake the ball. This will buy you some more time and possibly give you a second chance at the ball if he is dumb enough to flick it into your foot.
-It’s always fun to mess with your opponent before you go down to face… tell him how much your jock itches, that you had gay fantasies last night, etc. It gets him off his game and you can get a good laugh out of it too.
-After the ref calls set, I always like to clear my throat, whisper “go”, or make some kind of noise, to see if the guy I’m going against has ADD and will jump early at any noise… once again, kinda cheap, but it works sometimes.


PRACTICE: -Practicing by yourself-
A great drill for improving hand speed is quick jumps. Easy way to do it is lay down a ball and line up in your normal faceoff stance. While keeping your left hand on the ground make quick "chops" with your right hand bringing the head of your stick over the ball and then returning it to its normal postition(then repeat as fast as you can). Try not to hit the ball. A couple 20-30 second reps will usually give you a nice little burn in your right tricep and will increase your hand speed drastically. To increase hand strength....just squeeze tennis balls. As rediculous as it sounds ive found that it increases your forearm/wrist strength and will help when your getting beaten to the clamp and have to jump, reverse clamp, or any "power move."

More info by FACEOFFLA15 (thanks a lot fo good stuff here :bye: )

When taking faceoff’s, if you find yourself in a tight fight for the ball, where no one is coming on top, make sure you have the pressure to keep the fight going while you do something else,
What I do when fighting for it? Punch my left hand forward, and take my helmet and drive it into their knee.
I promise you if you can tie the other man up, and be fighting for the ball, if you drive your helmet into their knee, you will win. It’ll take their knees out from under them

To Practice at home, Do as Rit said and job the ball numberous times back and forth. Theres a product made just for facing off, its called the TFOG, I havn’t heard much about it but the concept is great, it is easily possible to make this product though, there are a few springs in there and besides that its basically just a piece of metal cut out like a lacrosse head. To make one of these at home you’d need a decent knowledge of shop class, a piece of plywood, tape measure and a table saw. Outline the Dimensions out a head onto the piece of plywood, and cut it out on the Table saw [If your under 18 get your parents to help you, always be safe when using a table saw]. You will also need two pieces of wood cut 2.5 inches in length, and at least and inch in depth, connect these to the outer edges of the head cutout, attach by either drilling screws into the plywood [can possible tear up your stringing], or hotglueing [use a lot of hotglue]. Leave about an inch from each side when your attaching this wood to the plywood, and at least two and a half inches from the bottom of the head to where your attaching it. Take this creation you have made and attach it to a piece of steel or a heavier block of wood, a cinderblock or brick, attach these two together using hot glue or instant cement or screwing the two together, whichever you prefer, you need something heavier here so the product will continue to keep the head on the ground and not tip over. You should now have a finished product, I should have a picture by picture tutorial of this by the new years, but for now you have to do your best with my sub-par directions, but if done correctly, you will now have a mock “TFOG”, which you can use for practicing all of your moves.
And Hey, if your good with electrical stuff, You could probably figure out how to attach a voice recorder to it and it shut when it whistles, but I’m not that good.

Original Tfog: http://www.t-fog.com/photos.htm#

Another great way to practice and something that increases the Mock TFOG is a voice clipping of whistles at random time. You can do this by just recording your voice at random times, saying down, then blowing a whistle, make a track with at least 10 different timed settings between the whistle and down, and you have a mock game scenario, add that to your Ipod or Mp3 and put it on shuffle, and you will have to stay on your toes. I’ll have one pre-made before Winter break is over.

Workouts that are great for Faceoffs: All pictures of workouts can be found at Bodybuilding.com
For Faceoffs, you need a strong lower body, wrists and Core, These three will lead you to be the best FO you can be.
Wrists/Forearms: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/matt64.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/forearm.htm

Lower Body workouts: Squats, Squats, Squats, and Squats! No but really, Do squats, and lots of them, also do Calf Raises, Calf raises and Jump roping will help you developing quick feet so you can jump off the line fast. Also Do dead lifts.

Core: The core is broken up into three parts; Back, Abs and Chest
Outer Back: Close Grip Rows, T-Bar Rows, etc.
Upper Back Thickness
Bent over Barbell Rows, and Seated Wide Grip Rows.
Lat Width
Wide grip chins and wide grip Pulldowns, both behind the neck and to the front.
Lower Lats
One arm cable rows, close grip chins/Pulldowns.
Middle Back
There are not many exercises that hit the middle back, so you should really do a full, extended range of motion.
Lower Back
Deadlifts
Good Mornings
Hyperextensions
Abs:[Monday, weds, Fri]
30-degree partial sit-ups 3 sets of 15 repetitions (No Rest)
Hanging leg raises 3 sets of 15 repetitions (No Rest)
Swiss ball crunches 3 sets of 15 repetitions (No Rest)
Swiss ball reverse crunches 3 sets of 15 repetitions (1 Minute Rest)
Tuesday and Friday (Obliques, Intercostals, and Serratus) Giant set the following exercises:
Swiss ball side bends 3 sets of 15 repetitions (No Rest)
Russian twists 3 sets of 15 repetitions (No Rest)
Twisting crunches on swiss ball 3 sets of 15 repetitions (No Rest)
One-arm high pulley crunches 3 sets of 15 repetitions (1 Minute Re
Chest:
Inner pecs: Narrow Grip Bench, Pec-Deck Flyes, Cable Crossover
Lower-out pecs: Barbell/Dumbell/Machine decline.
Upper- Barbell Incline Press, Dumbell Flyes
All Pecs- Bench Press, Dumbell Flyes, Chest Press.

Stringing a F0G0 Stick- Once a person gets to the highest level of competition, they need every edge possible, including stringing. F0G0’s generally like a lip, or gap at the top of their pocket, “Creating a second” pocket, between the top shooter and scoop, it’s not necessary to give yourself a lip to do that, you can also double up on your first sidewall hole. RIT explains the rest about a Faceoff Stick..
Another great way to get better, watch any footage of faceoffs you can, Get Paul Cantebene’s Video, It’s been called “The Bible of Faceoffs” [I stole that from Someone on TLF]. He is hands down the most dominate faceoff man to ever live, and no one will ever be better. Study pictures of faceoffs, look at their stance, their hand placement etc. Learn from those you play, you can never be good enough at anything, especially faceoffs.

. Faceoffs in my opinion are 40% mental factor,and 60% skill. Try to intimidate your opponent, talk to them about really weird stuff, freak them out, stare them down, I love wearing eye black for Faceoff reasons. Keep a mental notebook in your head of moves your opponents done, his handplacements, foot placement, and body placement. Big game coming up? Scout their FOGO’s game film, learn his moves and body placement.

Practice Practice Practice. Use Faceoff’s are a breed of our own, No one will understand us, they don’t give us enough credit, we control the game, we get our team the ball, no balls, no goals, no win. We control the game and the tempo. Faceoffs are a game withing the game, Remember, We’re our own breed, We are the best conditioned people on the field, and we can’t get frustrated.




this thread was made by GeorgiaMiddie2 and RIT37FO and new add to the thread Faceoffla15 with other tips taken out of both our threads. vids by RIT37FO
any questions PLEASE PM me with all questions and ill try and answer them the best i can. Please dont ask me "what head is better for face offs" because I will tell you to get a stiff pinched head and sometimes that isnt good for everyone. its all preference

thanks,
happy hunting
-Jerry #37-
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/31.jpg

[SuperFreak]

AWSOME guide. I love how you show it through video and not just pictures. It helped me a ton, thank you!!

[destructivelax]

sticky this izzzz

[cali feeder]

That was a great guide. Well thought out, with lots of detail and instruction. Sexy calves too.

[RIT37FO]

woo sticky :D

[SuperFreak]

Congratulations!!!

[pantherLax]

Thanks so much! Great help

Can you explain "sawing" a little more? From your description i dont really understand...

but great job and thank you

[berger1227]

this is a big improvement from your old face off thread (not that that one wasnt great)

mmm they are some sexy calves

[RIT37FO]

by saw i mean moving ur left hand up and down so that ur head wedges under ur opponents

[svtg40]

pretty sweet, thanks for this thread!

[faceofflax15]

http://www.laxstore.com/news-details.asp?id=20


Great Article on faceing off and it's importance for you inspiring FOGOS or just Face off men.

[Riot]

You have huge calf muscles.

[RIT37FO]

http://www.laxstore.com/news-details.asp?id=20


Great Article on faceing off and it's importance for you inspiring FOGOS or just Face off men.


great read

[czechinthepipes]

this is awesome great thread... also did you do all the videos? and in that pic are you the one on the left? just curious.
nice job

[RIT37FO]

yes i did all the vids, and the pic of me is on the left
glad u liked it

[faceofflax15]

I'm still working on those few oddball faceoff tricks I was gonna send to you, I'm sorta broke so I can't buy some of the stuff I need to show pics/vids.

[jedimasterPIMP]

I will argue with you on the stance on one point. Lots of face off men, including myself, like to line up with kind of a sugar foot set up with one foot close to the line and then the other a little further back. I think this provides a much better base and allows you to get a bit lower while still allowing you to have very little weight on your hands. Also, it provides a nice start if you get the ball on the face break and allows you to open up easier if you rake the ball behind you.

In the end I guess its all preference, but thats just my take on it.

[RIT37FO]

very good point

the stager foot stance is also used very often

[jedimasterPIMP]

Yeah its just a slight stagger though NOTHING like a sprinter stance or anything its your left foot is just slightly further back than your right.

[pantherLax]

What are the pros and cons of a stance with one knee on the ground, farther back from the line and the right leg like a normal squat stance? I went up against someone like this and lost a bunch because his base was so low and his clamp was therefore so much faster (with a motogrip).

I dont know if i explained it well...but your cleats are sick.

[RIT37FO]

What are the pros and cons of a stance with one knee on the ground, farther back from the line and the right leg like a normal squat stance? I went up against someone like this and lost a bunch because his base was so low and his clamp was therefore so much faster (with a motogrip).

I dont know if i explained it well...but your cleats are sick.


alot of canadian guys face off like this. not sure if its because box guys do it or not. the only pros to that stance are, you are lower
cons are you are going to be slower( getting up and prob not be a fastbreak face off guy and rely on your wing men or pulling it back and getting it behind you. but some guys can pull of the fast break in this stance if they are really really really fast.



thank i do like my cleats

[jedimasterPIMP]

What are the pros and cons of a stance with one knee on the ground, farther back from the line and the right leg like a normal squat stance? I went up against someone like this and lost a bunch because his base was so low and his clamp was therefore so much faster (with a motogrip).

I dont know if i explained it well...but your cleats are sick.

Like RIT said the only real advantage having one knee on the ground gives you is that you are lower to the ground and can have a pretty solid clamp.

However, when at any other time in the game do you want to be on your knees? Its just idiotic because if you do lose or there is a toss up for a ground ball you are in such a bad position to make a play.

Also, it limits what kinds of moves you can pull. I mean I can only think of just pulling the ball behind you because if you try to get a push goin and get a face break, you start on your knees. So its a good stance for one type of move but its too limiting to use in a practical way IMO.

[RIT37FO]

yea its prob the least effective of all the stances most guys go into it when they have been getting whooped up on all game to try and slow the other guy down so the wing men can come in and help.

post 500 oontz

[jedimasterPIMP]

yea its prob the least effective of all the stances most guys go into it when they have been getting whooped up on all game to try and slow the other guy down so the wing men can come in and help.

post 500 oontz
Without a doubt, the only time I've faced off against a guy who did that he was just trying to tie me up for as long as he could. Man I hate it when that happens.

And RIT you got some catchin up to do post 1055

[pantherLax]

If he keeps on beating me with his clamp against my jump what can i do? Is the only option to just go for his body and scramble?

[jedimasterPIMP]

Honestly I never do a traditional "jump" the type of jump i prefer to do is called the reverse clamp which I'm pretty sure RIT calls the laser rake. I just think its a quicker alternative to the traditional jump that will allow you to cover the ball better. I mean if that doesn't work, you can always just jam the hell out of him and see what happens.

[RIT37FO]

insted of jumping try a lazer jump. its much faster since you are only getting the lower edge of your head over the ball and then you have a reverse clamp on the ball. and since you are comming from the ground and he is comming from above you should have the advantage. or you and jump but use your shaft to knock his stick out of the way then use your shaft to pull the ball back through your legs

[jedimasterPIMP]

Honestly the new name of this thread is RIT and jedimasterPIMP discuss and help solve all of your face off problems.

[RIT37FO]

pretty much the new unspoken title. haha

[thelaxmacman20]

RIT37FO ON THAT THIRD VIDEO DOWN WHEN YOU CLAMP AND PASS THE BALL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS DO YOU USE THE SHOOTING STRINGS OR DO YOU USE THE BACK OF THE TOP OF THE HEAD

[RIT37FO]

THE SHOOTERS DONT NORMALY HOLD THE BALL THE PLASTIC WILL THROW THE BALL BACK

TURN CAPS OFF :)

[jedimasterPIMP]

RIT37FO ON THAT THIRD VIDEO DOWN WHEN YOU CLAMP AND PASS THE BALL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS DO YOU USE THE SHOOTING STRINGS OR DO YOU USE THE BACK OF THE TOP OF THE HEAD
Yeah like RIT said, I string all my sticks to have a slight lip at the top so the ball almost gets caught between the top shooter and the plastic when its reversed. That way I have more control over where I put the ball when I pull it back.

[faceofflax15]

Yeah like RIT said, I string all my sticks to have a slight lip at the top so the ball almost gets caught between the top shooter and the plastic when its reversed. That way I have more control over where I put the ball when I pull it back.
I see where your saying on that, but you have it get stuck between hte top shooter and the plastic you don't need lip, just double up on your first holes of the mesh..then insert your shooters..

I want to claim the F015 shall enter the F0 help thread soon, I told Rit I was gonna send him somthing a while ago, and I should be done soon.

[jedimasterPIMP]

I see where your saying on that, but you have it get stuck between hte top shooter and the plastic you don't need lip, just double up on your first holes of the mesh..then insert your shooters..

I want to claim the F015 shall enter the F0 help thread soon, I told Rit I was gonna send him somthing a while ago, and I should be done soon.
Yeah I didn't mean a lip like most people know it, more like when my pocket is reversed there is almost a second pocket between the plastic and the top shooter, I just call it a lip but there should be a term we call it...

And hey welcome man

[faceofflax15]

Yeah I didn't mean a lip like most people know it, more like when my pocket is reversed there is almost a second pocket between the plastic and the top shooter, I just call it a lip but there should be a term we call it...

And hey welcome man
Yeah, Us Faceoff's need our own vocab list, our own style, We're a breed of our own.

We are the best conditioned people on the field, Hands down.

[jedimasterPIMP]

We are probably a group of the craziest kids you will meet in your life too.

[manup5183]

We are probably a group of the craziest kids you will meet in your life too.

I belive that title goes to goalie...

[jedimasterPIMP]

Goalies just flat out have something wrong with them. Face off men are nuts

[czechinthepipes]

alright well i have a question, im actually not a face off guy or a wing guy at all but am interested in it. in the IL magazine two days in Durham, when they are in the "The Game" section talking about wing play, i understood all of it except when they were talking about "The Scrum" and the "Bait and Swithc" on both of these situations why are the A) LP mid and the mid are not on each others side? the lets call it the A and B wings side is on the right sides of the center line? i kno that sounds confuseing how i said it but most of u i believe read IL so im hoping you guys kno what i mean.

so why is that?

[manup5183]

I also have a question. Actually its more like a sugestion. Lets say that you are face off man, and you and your wings have awesome cummunication. They know exactly where you would put the ball on a rake, lazer, jump, ect. the only problem is, they dont know what you are going to do. Niether do you for that matter since you have yet to read the oposing player yet. so you apoach the X and you have a really easy going ref, meaning he says down......set.......wistle, very slowly. on down you notice that your oponent's hands are on the ground an he looks like he will clamp. You are going to jump to counter it. Heres the catch, you tap your left foot 2 times which means you will jump. now your wing men know exactly what to do. my question is. does anyone do this? would it really give you an advantage?

now this wouldnt work for college level or some highschool games where the ref does a quick Down, wsitle. also you would have a whole set of singnals. 1 tap means this, 2 means that, 3 means this.

I dont think i could think fast enough to do this all at once. when i face i just focus on the ball and i am afriad the other guy would catch me off guard if i were to do this. But for you more expireinced face-off guys, does this sound like it would work?

[faceofflax15]

I also have a question. Actually its more like a sugestion. Lets say that you are face off man, and you and your wings have awesome cummunication. They know exactly where you would put the ball on a rake, lazer, jump, ect. the only problem is, they dont know what you are going to do. Niether do you for that matter since you have yet to read the oposing player yet. so you apoach the X and you have a really easy going ref, meaning he says down......set.......wistle, very slowly. on down you notice that your oponent's hands are on the ground an he looks like he will clamp. You are going to jump to counter it. Heres the catch, you tap your left foot 2 times which means you will jump. now your wing men know exactly what to do. my question is. does anyone do this? would it really give you an advantage?

now this wouldnt work for college level or some highschool games where the ref does a quick Down, wsitle. also you would have a whole set of singnals. 1 tap means this, 2 means that, 3 means this.

I dont think i could think fast enough to do this all at once. when i face i just focus on the ball and i am afriad the other guy would catch me off guard if i were to do this. But for you more expireinced face-off guys, does this sound like it would work?

Never work, When your set, your set, you can't move at all. I think us faceoff men, have a few select areas we go for when we are facing off, and our wingmen should go that way. I wish we had someone to commincate to them while taking the draw.
And theres no set anymore..

[manup5183]

Never work, When your set, your set, you can't move at all. I think us faceoff men, have a few select areas we go for when we are facing off, and our wingmen should go that way. I wish we had someone to commincate to them while taking the draw.
And theres no set anymore..

no set in college and a few highscool refs dont use it. I stated that.

Oh well, it was worth a try.

[faceofflax15]

no set in college and a few highscool refs dont use it. I stated that.

Oh well, it was worth a try.
It's actually every ref in MI, it's been taken out of our game, and I'm pretty sure all NFHS..But some ref's are slow..
Lax ref whats your word on that?

[RIT37FO]

I also have a question. Actually its more like a sugestion. Lets say that you are face off man, and you and your wings have awesome cummunication. They know exactly where you would put the ball on a rake, lazer, jump, ect. the only problem is, they dont know what you are going to do. Niether do you for that matter since you have yet to read the oposing player yet. so you apoach the X and you have a really easy going ref, meaning he says down......set.......wistle, very slowly. on down you notice that your oponent's hands are on the ground an he looks like he will clamp. You are going to jump to counter it. Heres the catch, you tap your left foot 2 times which means you will jump. now your wing men know exactly what to do. my question is. does anyone do this? would it really give you an advantage?

now this wouldnt work for college level or some highschool games where the ref does a quick Down, wsitle. also you would have a whole set of singnals. 1 tap means this, 2 means that, 3 means this.

I dont think i could think fast enough to do this all at once. when i face i just focus on the ball and i am afriad the other guy would catch me off guard if i were to do this. But for you more expireinced face-off guys, does this sound like it would work?


at the college level you are not allowed to move after the "down" also at the college level they took out the SET last year so its down and go/whistle

[faceofflax15]

I'm bored, I decided to post My fav Faceoff Heads and Why. [No straight Heads, Too obvious]

Torque, PP, and a Revolution, Why? All relatively stiff.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Oh man homes me and you could go back and forth I hate stiff heads for facing off I do the flex thing.

[manup5183]

why would straight heads be too obvious? its not like there is only one striaght head

[faceofflax15]

Oh man homes me and you could go back and forth I hate stiff heads for facing off I do the flex thing.
Ah I see, I've used answers and a Pulse [Man my other heads broke, don't talk about it].
And I hate it, Maybe it's just brines, I'll give my friends Deuce a try..
But I will always prefer stiff heads, I'm almost positive..If they just try to have their flexible head "pinch" itself around the ball, I'd just outmuscle them, or outmanuever..
why would straight heads be too obvious? its not like there is only one striaght head Because almost any and all fogo's or faceoff men would prefer a straight head so you can get closer to the ball, I want to try one thats barely offset like a Prodigy but they are next to impossible to find.

Oz's, and Excalibers, and Snipers are Fogo's friends.

[manup5183]

Because almost any and all fogo's or faceoff men would prefer a straight head so you can get closer to the ball, I want to try one thats barely offset like a Prodigy but they are next to impossible to find.

Oz's, and Excalibers, and Snipers are Fogo's friends.

I see what you mean i guess. I love snipers :naughty: . If we are talking about offset heads, im going with deuce's. more specificaly the deuce i recieved from rit with a torpedo. It is somewhat stiff while still bening able to become flexy while using some muscle. Mine also hasnt warped after a hundred or so F-O's.

[faceofflax15]

I see what you mean i guess. I love snipers :naughty: . If we are talking about offset heads, im going with deuce's. more specificaly the deuce i recieved from rit with a torpedo. It is somewhat stiff while still bening able to become flexy while using some muscle. Mine also hasnt warped after a hundred or so F-O's.
really your deuce is stiff?
Wow, I've always heard they are weak and flexible, Except from you and RIT..

[manup5183]

^^^^maybe RIT has magical powers?

[RIT37FO]

haha i never used dueces for over a month of 2 befor they became to warped or broke. i love the head but i have since moved onto the E3 and am having a hard time replacing iit (tried torque,protonpower,proton,evopro,blade,clutch) but thats just my pref.

[faceofflax15]

haha i never used dueces for over a month of 2 befor they became to warped or broke. i love the head but i have since moved onto the E3 and am having a hard time replacing iit (tried torque,protonpower,proton,evopro,blade,clutch) but thats just my pref.
I hated the e3, pretty stiff, but I hate that kind of Brine offset, it's just to drastic, it just drops, and I hated it.

I'm finished up that faceoff thign I told you I was gonna send you in the next 15 minutes.

[lancerlax3]

do you guys like to put the ball to a spot were your wings can get it or do you pick it up yourself? i almost always pick it up myself, unless im playin against sum huge kid whos just trying to hit me over, then i put it deep for a wingman

[faceofflax15]

do you guys like to put the ball to a spot were your wings can get it or do you pick it up yourself? i almost always pick it up myself, unless im playin against sum huge kid whos just trying to hit me over, then i put it deep for a wingman
Depends, whos your wingmen? Hows your Opponent? How good are you? What moves do you like to do?

[jedimasterPIMP]

do you guys like to put the ball to a spot were your wings can get it or do you pick it up yourself? i almost always pick it up myself, unless im playin against sum huge kid whos just trying to hit me over, then i put it deep for a wingman
Yeah faceoff has it right on this one. It all depends on the game situation and how good the other face off guy is, how good his wingmen are, and how good your wingman are. I mean first FO of the game I want to get in the kids head so I will try to smoke him and push it forward for a fast break. Or sometimes I pull it behind the first time and push forward the second time. If my team really needs possession I will pull that sucker behind me to where only me or my wingman can get it. Its pretty much like a chess match and it all depends on your strategy and the game.

[faceofflax15]

Yeah faceoff has it right on this one. It all depends on the game situation and how good the other face off guy is, how good his wingmen are, and how good your wingman are. I mean first FO of the game I want to get in the kids head so I will try to smoke him and push it forward for a fast break. Or sometimes I pull it behind the first time and push forward the second time. If my team really needs possession I will pull that sucker behind me to where only me or my wingman can get it. Its pretty much like a chess match and it all depends on your strategy and the game.
It really is, It's a chess match. First F0 of a game, I'm getting that baby for me, Letting them know I can get it, I don't need my wing men, At that point, after a few wins, their wingmen will be ready to play D, they'll drop back for D, and then I can flip it to my wingmen..

And if their really bad, I like to literally, pass them hte ball in the air from a rake, it looks sweet.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Don't even get into taunting cuz I have done some pretty mean stuff over the years to kids haha

[faceofflax15]

Don't even get into taunting cuz I have done some pretty mean stuff over the years to kids haha
What do you mean? ANd where did you get taunting from? Only taunting I've done are passing from a rake and Talking crap to freak them out in the beggining.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Well passing the ball back to them would go under taunting. But I mean come on everyone has done that would real ******* move on someone that was just hilarious.

[faceofflax15]

Well passing the ball back to them would go under taunting. But I mean come on everyone has done that would real ******* move on someone that was just hilarious.
i have no idea what those stars mean... Elaborate.


And anyone have any Sweet Faceoff Pictures?

And does anyone want to make a list of all the F0G0's or Faceoffmen in NCAA D1 and Mll?


And does anyone else agree with me when I say that Us Faceoff men are slashed more than anyone, because if we win, and they get frustrated, slashes just come at us flying.

[jedimasterPIMP]

i have no idea what those stars mean... Elaborate.


And anyone have any Sweet Faceoff Pictures?

And does anyone want to make a list of all the F0G0's or Faceoffmen in NCAA D1 and Mll?


And does anyone else agree with me when I say that Us Faceoff men are slashed more than anyone, because if we win, and they get frustrated, slashes just come at us flying.
I have one from the state championship game that I will post a little later and I'm pretty sure you can find all the face off men in D1 at http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings (its the top 35 with their win percentage). And oh yeah tag Christian Tucker onto that list for next year.

And yes you should see the size of my bruises I had this summer I thought I was gonna have to be checked out by a doctor because some of them were so big and took so long to go away.

[jedimasterPIMP]

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4684/63hclax4re3.th.png (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=63hclax4re3.png)

There you go

[RIT37FO]

hunterdon central?

[jedimasterPIMP]

Yes sir I'm seein if I can find the game film that I sent out to colleges. So if I can find that I will post it up too.

[faceofflax15]

Psh, Jedi, that pic is alrite.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Its the only one I have you, got to make do with what you got son.

[faceofflax15]

Its the only one I have you, got to make do with what you got son.
Yeah, I would post a pic of mine, but I've changed my stance drastically, and the last pic I have is one of my with my old stance from 8th grade.

[RIT37FO]

im assuming you played with Greg Milner then

[jedimasterPIMP]

Yes I did he goes RIT too

[cbhslacrossemid]

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/820/faceeeqr8.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=faceeeqr8.jpg)
Summer
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9300/nolan11zf5.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nolan11zf5.jpg)
Last Season

Im fortunate enough to be one of the only FOGO's invited to Jake Reed's Graph-Tex Blue chip camp, they tend to favor less specialized midfielders.

[RIT37FO]

Yes I did he goes RIT too

indeed he does

[RIT37FO]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/31.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/sooperlaxjlo/IMG_7646_edited.jpg
http://rit.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30652290&op=2&o=user&view=user&subj=24409238&id=24409238
http://photos-582.ak.facebook.com/ip007/v28/146/105/24409238/n24409238_30299582_8314.jpg

[RIT37FO]

no really good ones :(

[cbhslacrossemid]

Some more fun
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5881/dsc0010yx5.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0010yx5.jpg)

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8144/dsc0142by5.th.jpg (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0142by5.jpg)

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/5944/dsc0170rf0.th.jpg (http://img321.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0170rf0.jpg)

[MSLax]

hey my friend is the lsm in that last pick, that was at BL right?

[cbhslacrossemid]

You know Bertan? He's my homeboy

[jedimasterPIMP]

cbhs you know where you are goin to school yet?

[faceofflax15]

anymroe pics..
and what heads ya'll use.

i'm not letting this thread get boring.

[cbhslacrossemid]

cbhs you know where you are goin to school yet?

Still some time left. I dont have the luxury of meeting with coaches on the weekend like my Maryland friends. I've only taken one unoffical visit to Navy and phone calls are as close as I get otherwise. After June I'll have a good idea where I want to go.

[cbhslacrossemid]

anymroe pics..
and what heads ya'll use.

i'm not letting this thread get boring.

I'm a blade man myself. I dont mean to be boring. If I was going to by a new head I'd get the new Gait Asylum. Strait and reminds me of a Aftershock which is a very good FO stick as well.

[faceofflax15]

I'm a blade man myself. I dont mean to be boring. If I was going to by a new head I'd get the new Gait Asylum. Strait and reminds me of a Aftershock which is a very good FO stick as well.
I've never been lucky enough to try a blade.. I liked my oz until it broke..
i really want a prodigy though. clutch seems to be very stiff, which is what I like, and has a slight reverse flare, no withholding call. and a little bit less offset than normal.

[cbhslacrossemid]

There are very few heads still made that are good for face-offs. Try an Asylum i dont trust Brine, or new Warrior for that matter. I have 8 unused blades so ill be good for awhile.

[faceofflax15]

There are very few heads still made that are good for face-offs. Try an Asylum i dont trust Brine, or new Warrior for that matter. I have 8 unused blades so ill be good for awhile.
8 huh...hmm someone went blade happy.. asylum, is too pinched for my faceoff needs, the thing gives you like a centermeter on each side of the head.
i use a 2nd gen torque now, that i give a slight reverse flare before games/practice. have you tried yourself an asylum

[cbhslacrossemid]

8 huh...hmm someone went blade happy.. asylum, is too pinched for my faceoff needs, the thing gives you like a centermeter on each side of the head.
i use a 2nd gen torque now, that i give a slight reverse flare before games/practice. have you tried yourself an asylum

I actually havent tried the Asylum but it seems like it would work. I actually pinch my blade a bit cause I like to plunge and the reduced width gives more control. The torque is as good as any head out there though.

[faceofflax15]

I actually havent tried the Asylum but it seems like it would work. I actually pinch my blade a bit cause I like to plunge and the reduced width gives more control. The torque is as good as any head out there though.
i concurr. i wasn't really asking for head advice, just want to know what everyone uses. prodigy sounds so nice, but are dang impossible to find.

[cbhslacrossemid]

If you find a new prodigy then I applaud you


One thing I notice wrong with RIT's plunger.
After coming over and pinching the ball in the stick do NOT immediatly pull up the ball, it could go anywhere at that point.
WHat you should do is...while you lift you left hand to pinch the ball use both hands to "draw" the ball (still in the stick) down the line about five inches. then direct it where you want it. This also helps get around a foot your opponet might put in the way.

[manup5183]

i concurr. i wasn't really asking for head advice, just want to know what everyone uses. prodigy sounds so nice, but are dang impossible to find.

not new, but this guy is selling two prodigy's. one is pinched to 6.5 and the other is at 4.5 so you might want to unpinch them. he has pictures in the middle of the thread.

http://lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=67248&highlight=prodigy

[faceofflax15]

If you find a new prodigy then I applaud you


One thing I notice wrong with RIT's plunger.
After coming over and pinching the ball in the stick do NOT immediatly pull up the ball, it could go anywhere at that point.
WHat you should do is...while you lift you left hand to pinch the ball use both hands to "draw" the ball (still in the stick) down the line about five inches. then direct it where you want it. This also helps get around a foot your opponet might put in the way.
...good point. i added some stuff to rit about conditioning, in the first post, read, its fun.

and manup, i saw that guy, he didn't get back to me. i gave up.

[RIT37FO]

current 3 heads in rotation

1-e3 5d
2-clutch 5d
3-torque 10d

[faceofflax15]

current 3 heads in rotation

1-e3 5d
2-clutch 5d
3-torque 10d
how's that clutch working out

i hate brine heads, but being as stiff as people say and with a slight reverse flare..i'm tempted.

[cbhslacrossemid]

how's that clutch working out

i hate brine heads, but being as stiff as people say and with a slight reverse flare..i'm tempted.

Dont be tempted, I mean RIT uses 5d in his face if sticks. That must make groundballs realll fun.

[GBaschski]

I just got a new Blade for x-mas. Threw that baby on my new carbon fiber goss shaft. Lightest stick I've ever held. It's like lightning off the whistle. I have yet to put it into action in real face-offs though...I'm expecting good things.


Not to stray from the stick conversation, but for any of you FOGOs who are going through the recruiting process, what kind of advice can you offer those of us trying to get recruited as well? How do us Face-Off specialists go about recruiting as opposed to being offensive superstar midfielders?

[cbhslacrossemid]

I just got a new Blade for x-mas. Threw that baby on my new carbon fiber goss shaft. Lightest stick I've ever held. It's like lightning off the whistle. I have yet to put it into action in real face-offs though...I'm expecting good things.


Not to stray from the stick conversation, but for any of you FOGOs who are going through the recruiting process, what kind of advice can you offer those of us trying to get recruited as well? How do us Face-Off specialists go about recruiting as opposed to being offensive superstar midfielders?

Get noticed, every where you go in the summer or regular season tear it up period. Try to talk to coaches and get on select teams. PRACTICE!

[faceofflax15]

Dont be tempted, I mean RIT uses 5d in his face if sticks. That must make groundballs realll fun.
true, true, or maybe he just loses all of them so he deosnt have to do a GB :chuckle:

clutch is basically the only stiff head out new, that intests me for faceoffs.

[RIT37FO]

never had a problem with jimalax 5d. scooping ground balls is not a problem at all.

the clutch is nice, mine loosened up a bit not as stiff at it was when i got it. but i think its better now that it has a little give to it the reverse flair is hardly noticeable the bottom rail is just thicker i wouldnt call it much of a flair. still has yet to beat the e3 tho .

[cbhslacrossemid]

I have to make a stand here. The E3 is most likely the worst face off head next to the matrix. The offset is too much, the throat is too pinched, and the width difference from the scoop to the throat is so drastic that it sometimes causes you to screw up the clamp. Just my opinion.

[lo_phat]

is the kamakazi leagal?

[faceofflax15]

never had a problem with jimalax 5d. scooping ground balls is not a problem at all.

the clutch is nice, mine loosened up a bit not as stiff at it was when i got it. but i think its better now that it has a little give to it the reverse flair is hardly noticeable the bottom rail is just thicker i wouldnt call it much of a flair. still has yet to beat the e3 tho .
pshh, stop trying to deney that you just lose everytime, so groundballs are never a problem


I have to make a stand here. The E3 is most likely the worst face off head next to the matrix. The offset is too much, the throat is too pinched, and the width difference from the scoop to the throat is so drastic that it sometimes causes you to screw up the clamp. Just my opinion.
I hated it, broke on my first faceoff I took with it, the way the offset is designed is just too drastic.

[RIT37FO]

come take a few draws with me and we will see whos mesh scoops the ball better, dont worry ill let u win a few :devil:

all in jest my friend


as for the e3, its all about preference. me, the duke and rutgers kid cant be that wrong (atleast when i played them in the summer they were using them at war on the shore)



also anyone try out the harrow Ronin shaft yet, got to tool around with it today it isnt thaat bad

[cbhslacrossemid]

come take a few draws with me and we will see whos mesh scoops the ball better, dont worry ill let u win a few :devil:

all in jest my friend


as for the e3, its all about preference. me, the duke and rutgers kid cant be that wrong (atleast when i played them in the summer they were using them at war on the shore)



also anyone try out the harrow Ronin shaft yet, got to tool around with it today it isnt thaat bad

Ill face off against anyone anytime. I love it thats why I take it with so much pride.

[faceofflax15]

come take a few draws with me and we will see whos mesh scoops the ball better, dont worry ill let u win a few :devil:

all in jest my friend


as for the e3, its all about preference. me, the duke and rutgers kid cant be that wrong (atleast when i played them in the summer they were using them at war on the shore)



also anyone try out the harrow Ronin shaft yet, got to tool around with it today it isnt thaat bad

Ill face off against anyone anytime. I love it thats why I take it with so much pride.

i'll faceoff against anyone too, and hell if i lose, means i gotta get better. better competition, better that I will get.

[bwalsh3491]

no offense but who are you guys to criticize RIT i mean seriosly do either of u play in college... if so then good for u but dont criticize him it his preference and personally i like the e3 for faces but y favorite is my evo pro or mayb my tourque

[faceofflax15]

no offense but who are you guys to criticize RIT i mean seriosly do either of u play in college... if so then good for u but dont criticize him it his preference and personally i like the e3 for faces but y favorite is my evo pro or mayb my tourque
because we are joking with him, and he knows that.

[bwalsh3491]

oooo alright nevermind then

[jedimasterPIMP]

Still some time left. I dont have the luxury of meeting with coaches on the weekend like my Maryland friends. I've only taken one unoffical visit to Navy and phone calls are as close as I get otherwise. After June I'll have a good idea where I want to go.
Oh nice man i took an unofficial to navy too

[cbhslacrossemid]

no offense but who are you guys to criticize RIT i mean seriosly do either of u play in college... if so then good for u but dont criticize him it his preference and personally i like the e3 for faces but y favorite is my evo pro or mayb my tourque

Serious? Your favorite face off head is a Evo Pro? I challenge you to find a DI face off guy who uses a Evo Pro. When ever I see some one using that stick I know I'm gonna win.

I sure hope RIT knows I'm joking. He can use whatever he wants. That includes a duece which i see he uses.(not a fan myself)

[faceofflax15]

no offense but who are you guys to criticize RIT i mean seriosly do either of u play in college... if so then good for u but dont criticize him it his preference and personally i like the e3 for faces but y favorite is my evo pro or mayb my tourque
yah man, i took faceoffs with evo pros and they broke, warped, and got me withholding calls...they aren't a bueno head..

and yes RIT knows we're joking.

[RIT37FO]

evo pros warp to fast.wish they didnt they would be nice other wise, along with revo pros

and yes were all friends here on TFL were all joking just keeping the thread rolling

[bwalsh3491]

well i dono i have three evo pros i switch off with so im not really scared of one warping but the tourques my favorite and my old edge

[faceofflax15]

well i dono i have three evo pros i switch off with so im not really scared of one warping but the tourques my favorite and my old edge
Man three, I used two and they kept warping/breaking.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Way back like freshman year i used an evo pro and that sucker took a while to warp, but once it did warp, it went to hell fast.

[RIT37FO]

also the kid on my team who is a pre season all american uses a evo pro same one so far. idk how it hasn't warped or broken yet.

[faceofflax15]

also the kid on my team who is a pre season all american uses a evo pro same one so far. idk how it hasn't warped or broken yet.
Thats amazing, what moves does he do

[GBaschski]

Alright gents, lets talk training. Everybody knows that "speed kills" when it comes to face-offs, so what do you guys do to improve your reaction time so that you can be freakin' lightning when the whistle blows? Besides practicing your moves on a taped whistle, I don't really know what to do to help my speed.
Suggestions?

[faceofflax15]

I say look at the first post, there are a few tips and tricks to increase your speed.

[czechinthepipes]

i looked at the first page to see if you guys talked about pockets for face offs and i saw you guys did go into it sort of but i was wondering, personally what mesh do you guys use? whats your shooter set up? and do u like high, mid or low pockets? i m just curious, especially since im interested in starting to faceoff.

[faceofflax15]

i looked at the first page to see if you guys talked about pockets for face offs and i saw you guys did go into it sort of but i was wondering, personally what mesh do you guys use? whats your shooter set up? and do u like high, mid or low pockets? i m just curious, especially since im interested in starting to faceoff.
I use a bag [No, not an illegal summer bag, a bad, a pocket that stretches thoughout the entire head]
That way theres a pocket for the ball wherever the ball ends up in the back of the head.

I use three straight rolled.

And I normally use canadian [Yes there is such a thing, its not american, cata, or etc]

Or I use EXTREMLY broken in hard mesh, to the point where you can't tell its hardmesh.

[czechinthepipes]

where can u get canadian mesh? jima-lax doesnt have it do they? anyways hmm i may have to string like you do it sounds good.

[manup5183]

I use semi hard or soft. the soft mesh has a pocket where ever the ball goes. and in semi i like a bag. shooters are iether 2 straight up high or 2 straight and a low U.

I'm almost done with my sniper so ill post it no later than tomarow if not tonight

[faceofflax15]

where can u get canadian mesh? jima-lax doesnt have it do they? anyways hmm i may have to string like you do it sounds good.
...Canada, I get mine from Aj Shannon, In bulk orders, if you want some let me know, I'll sell some to you.

But warning, it breaks in really weird, sucks untill its fully broken in.

[czechinthepipes]

...Canada, I get mine from Aj Shannon, In bulk orders, if you want some let me know, I'll sell some to you.

But warning, it breaks in really weird, sucks untill its fully broken in.
i may be interested, right now i think im gonna try out cata (i like cata a lot) and if i dont like cata for faceoffs and or i start facing off more i ll buy some from u.

[RIT37FO]

Thats amazing, what moves does he do

against myself he uses the lazer jump
against others he uses the plunger

[manup5183]

http://lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=69519

here is my SNIPER. enjoy!
and i used soft mesh!

[RIT37FO]

also i got my hands on a weighted sleigh seen in the UA adds ( where you have a harnes on and you drag a sleigh with plate. I am sure this work out will pay off in my sprinting as well as checking

[faceofflax15]

i may be interested, right now i think im gonna try out cata (i like cata a lot) and if i dont like cata for faceoffs and or i start facing off more i ll buy some from u.
I hate[d] cata for faceoff's, too hard to scoop the ball after since you have to tuck your pocket away, but if it works for you...

against myself he uses the lazer jump
against others he uses the plunger
That's deffinitly mind boggleing. There is no way that his evo pro shouldn't have warped by now, maybe he got one from an amazing batch :thinking:




also i got my hands on a weighted sleigh seen in the UA adds ( where you have a harnes on and you drag a sleigh with plate. I am sure this work out will pay off in my sprinting as well as checking


Do you wanna send me a link towards that...I'm not quite sure what you mean

[Quakerlax]

Well, I will humor ya'll. I have used them all- you name it. I prefer the ultra flex of an Excalibur. In the summer it is pure noodles, but the ice bucket trick and having a back up helps.


1. New on left and Old on Right (http://www.quakerlax.com/fo/DSCN0374.JPG)
2. Side views (http://www.quakerlax.com/fo/DSCN0375.JPG)
3. Super onset (http://www.quakerlax.com/fo/DSCN0376.JPG)
4. This is no Camera trick (http://www.quakerlax.com/fo/DSCN0377.JPG)


1. Other Weapons, Prodigy on left and Blade on right (http://www.quakerlax.com/fo/DSCN0378.JPG)

[manup5183]

Is that onset legal?

also, did you do that one by bending it after heat or a different method?
the excals look great. im looking into gettng one of my sniper warps too much. that or an oz...

EDIT: 1,000 post!!!!!!! FINALY

[RIT37FO]

those blades are PINCHED

http://www.everythingtrackandfield.com/ImagesProducts/3179.sm.gif

thats the sled

[manup5183]

I think they are prodigys. one is prob for box

[Quakerlax]

Is that onset legal?

also, did you do that one by bending it after heat or a different method?
the excals look great. im looking into gettng one of my sniper warps too much. that or an oz...

EDIT: 1,000 post!!!!!!! FINALY
Onest is legal.
Not sure what you mean by bending after heat..
I pinched all my heads via oven, I use the same method as in the inside lacrosse with Justin Berry on the cover from 02.
If you mean how it got so super-onset, that is just from use. All straight heads will go that way after a while, it makes for supernice on the FO itself and GB's (no need to bend over as much).

I have no used a Sniper, but I know where the motherload of leftovers reside. I hated the Oz. It did not work as well as the Excalibur.

In reference to the other photos, left is a Prodigy and right is a blade...

[jedimasterPIMP]

Pretty sure I have those same 3 sticks, excal, prodigy, and the balde maybe I'll post some pics later if I'm in the mood.

[beckham0237]

How flexible do prodigy's get compared to blades?

[Laxmid7]

Does anyone know any moves that andy crono Geoff snider or any great moves that the pros use?

[faceofflax15]

Does anyone know any moves that andy crono Geoff snider or any great moves that the pros use?
Geoff Uses the plunger.

Others use
Push, Clamp, Plunger, Jump, Lazer, Lazerjump, Reverse Plunger, Rake, PowerClamp.

They use every move.

[Laxmid7]

What are the push the powerclamp and all the other moves and how do you use them

[faceofflax15]

What are the push the powerclamp and all the other moves and how do you use them
Look on first page, power clmap, is a really strong clamp.

Push is on first page.

[bellies_lax_17]

have you guys ever gone up against a guy maybe on a summer team or something whos tried to use his buttend to grip your mesh. i might not have explained it well, the guy sets up with his arms crossed over near the middle of the shaft,right arm closer to the buttend and left closer to the throat. and at the whistle he whips his shaft around and stabs it into your mesh somehow. i saw this guy do it once (which was probably pretty lucky) and it looked so amazing. was just wondering if you guys have seen anything like it, or know if its legal/practical

[faceofflax15]

have you guys ever gone up against a guy maybe on a summer team or something whos tried to use his buttend to grip your mesh. i might not have explained it well, the guy sets up with his arms crossed over near the middle of the shaft,right arm closer to the buttend and left closer to the throat. and at the whistle he whips his shaft around and stabs it into your mesh somehow. i saw this guy do it once (which was probably pretty lucky) and it looked so amazing. was just wondering if you guys have seen anything like it, or know if its legal/practical
I've never seen that before, but he hand his hands crossed...
Wow, against any skilled FO man, it wouldn't work, we have wayy to fast a reaction time and crossing his hands would give us a distinct advantage.

[bellies_lax_17]

yeah the guy was so fast and i dont think his opponent was very good. but just the thought of how someone would think of it is kinda funny, thought i should see if it was really original haha

[faceofflax15]

yeah the guy was so fast and i dont think his opponent was very good. but just the thought of how someone would think of it is kinda funny, thought i should see if it was really original haha
Oh yes, it's very original, but against somone fast, No chance of working. They could just give the ball a push.

[RIT37FO]

thats a weird move

[faceofflax15]

I was thinking, this would deffinitly work once a game.
Becuase no one in all hell would be suspecting

[manup5183]

I would just jam the hell out of it if i saw i guy line up like that

[Valaxman17]

wouldnt there be some sort of penalty for "stabbing" your opponents mesh?

[faceofflax15]

wouldnt there be some sort of penalty for "stabbing" your opponents mesh?
No sir ree.

[manup5183]

wouldnt there be some sort of penalty for "stabbing" your opponents mesh?

do you mean grab your oponents diamonds and yanking his stick out of the x? If a ref noticed it, you would be called. but that might not be what your asking...

[Valaxman17]

what manup said is what i was thiking but i guess i just read how to do it wrong

[Quakerlax]

those blades are PINCHED


Yep It is pinched, but also warped from FO'ing. Luckily at my age I need not worry bout stick checks. They float around 6 to 6 1/8th inches..

[Quakerlax]

as for the e3, its all about preference. me, the duke and rutgers kid cant be that wrong (atleast when i played them in the summer they were using them at war on the shore)


How can you plung with the E3 and not get the ball stuck in the back? I would love to see photos?

[faceofflax15]

Grrr, Faceoff's piss me off so much.

Broke my baby today, My Torquey..
That was my love.
Now I have to get used to a stupid PP.
Dang you faceoffs.

[RIT37FO]

she is a fickle mistress eh?

[faceofflax15]

Dang faceoffs.

Yah, Shes a fickle mistress.

If i knew what that meant. Haha. I don't know, we all hate breaking sticks, and that was my baby, everything was perfect 'bout er.
Well looks like I'm in the market for a new F0 head.. Because I just don't like PP's for faceoffs.

[RIT37FO]

check my thread i got al kinds of stuff

[faceofflax15]

check my thread i got al kinds of stuff
I gave ya a offer a while ago, You didnt like what i had to trade.

[beckham0237]

Dang faceoffs.

Yah, Shes a fickle mistress.

If i knew what that meant. Haha. I don't know, we all hate breaking sticks, and that was my baby, everything was perfect 'bout er.
Well looks like I'm in the market for a new F0 head.. Because I just don't like PP's for faceoffs.

Have you ever tried a Nitrous, or if you only take faecoffs, a Truth?

[faceofflax15]

Have you ever tried a Nitrous, or if you only take faecoffs, a Truth?
Both of which are terrid for faceoffs.
Truth warps just as fast if not faster than a Evo Pro/Pulse. And Nitrous, Snapped one, didn't like it at all, Bottom rail snapped so fast you wouldn't believe it.

The Torque Is what I believe to be the best head, and best head for faceoffs, thats currently out and still being produced. With maybe Asylum comming up right behind it from what I've heard.

[RIT37FO]

new (useable)moves comming
stay tuned:)

[faceofflax15]

new (useable)moves comming
stay tuned:)
Lol,Did you invent some moves

[Igor]

real helpfull thread.. i know i learned...

[faceofflax15]

So RIT, are you going to start this year.

Congrats on being pre-ranked number 5, I didn't think RIT was that good.

Take that other kids spot.

[RIT37FO]

ha Well its up in the air i am against a Pre season all american HM. hopefully we will be rotating every other draw.

and thanks :) hopefully you will see us at the finals

[beckham0237]

Both of which are terrid for faceoffs.
Truth warps just as fast if not faster than a Evo Pro/Pulse. And Nitrous, Snapped one, didn't like it at all, Bottom rail snapped so fast you wouldn't believe it.

The Torque Is what I believe to be the best head, and best head for faceoffs, thats currently out and still being produced. With maybe Asylum comming up right behind it from what I've heard.

I know what you mean about the Truth, it does sometimes warp. However, I have found that if I practice and play with the Truth, it doesnt warp. Mine actually expanded a little bit.

As for the Nitrous, my first broke on the bottom rail as well, as soon as I started pushing and poping. But if you, for lack of a better term, "break in" the Nitrous by playing with it in the field or by giving it to a defenseman to use for a while, it breaks in with the perfect combo of stiffness and flexibility

[faceofflax15]

I know what you mean about the Truth, it does sometimes warp. However, I have found that if I practice and play with the Truth, it doesnt warp. Mine actually expanded a little bit.

As for the Nitrous, my first broke on the bottom rail as well, as soon as I started pushing and poping. But if you, for lack of a better term, "break in" the Nitrous by playing with it in the field or by giving it to a defenseman to use for a while, it breaks in with the perfect combo of stiffness and flexibility
If you take more faceoffs with it [practice and play], its gonna warp faster than as if you took ti with just games. I dislike brine heads for faceoffs, Except maybe the Clutch, Which may be too stiff.


And RIT, Yah I was reading his little bit in IL, 65 percent, thats pretty damn good, Beat him out man, then if I see you on tv, I'll be like, ''He's my myspace friends, Byahhh, And I talk to him on TLF''. Thats Baller,

Are any of your games televised this year

GLuck.

[RIT37FO]

yea the national championship game :)

[faceofflax15]

yea the national championship game :)
Lol, Don't count your chickens before they hatch

[JellyUK]

Mods please remove this if it's in the wrong thread.

I'm a newb to faceoffs, and usually we have a faceoff man on our team, but in friendlies/practise games my coach said gives me a shot on them.

I understand all of the moves here, and unless i missed it, i couldn't see a "run into them" move. My coach says it's legal in international rules, is he right? I've had a few practise games where instead of doing in complicated moves, i have just stood up hard into my opponent, knocked him back, scooped the ball and run. This wins me more than 3/4 of the faceoffs, as most of my opponents are smaller than me.

Just wanted to see if it was legal, hope you guys can clear it up for me :)

[beckham0237]

Yeah, thats legal, its basically a jam to the extreme.

[MadCowDisease]

I know its about personal preference, but would doing a faceoff in a kneeling position(one knee forward at like a 90 degree angle and one knee diagnol backwards with chest leaning on forward knee but not resting on it) be acceptable and good form, as opposed to the crouching position that you have?

[JellyUK]

Yeah, thats legal, its basically a jam to the extreme.

Haha fantastic. I love doing to kids that think they're amazing at faceoffs because they can do all these stylish moves...They don't think they're so good when they've gone arse over tit, looking suprised :clap:
Have to mix it up though, because it's very easy to counter (sidestep, rake and dodge etc).

[faceofflax15]

Haha fantastic. I love doing to kids that think they're amazing at faceoffs because they can do all these stylish moves...They don't think they're so good when they've gone arse over tit, looking suprised :clap:
Have to mix it up though, because it's very easy to counter (sidestep, rake and dodge etc).
What grade are you

Because that would often not work, beacuse your supouse to step into your opponet as you punch with ur left hand, doing your move with your right hand.

[JellyUK]

What grade are you

Because that would often not work, beacuse your supouse to step into your opponet as you punch with ur left hand, doing your move with your right hand.

Haha....showing my newbiness here.

Grade? Sorry... What is a grade?

[faceofflax15]

Haha....showing my newbiness here.

Grade? Sorry... What is a grade?
I mean school grade-ness.

9th, 10th, or if your in college, say that.
Or if your playing masters etc.

[JellyUK]

I mean school grade-ness.

9th, 10th, or if your in college, say that.
Or if your playing masters etc.

Oh right. Sorry (may be showing my UK-ness, more than newbiness...)

I'm in Year 13, or upper sixth form.

I don't know how this translates into the american grade system, but everyone in my year is 17-18. Last year of school based education (going to uni next year).

[faceofflax15]

Oh right. Sorry (may be showing my UK-ness, more than newbiness...)

I'm in Year 13, or upper sixth form.

I don't know how this translates into the american grade system, but everyone in my year is 17-18. Last year of school based education (going to uni next year).
So your 17-18..So your a senior

I never knew they called it differnt stuff.

[JellyUK]

So your 17-18..So your a senior

I never knew they called it differnt stuff.

Yeah. Anyway, how does my grade affect this move in faceoffs? Or was it just out of interest?

[faceofflax15]

Yeah. Anyway, how does my grade affect this move in faceoffs? Or was it just out of interest?
I was wondering, because generally, the older you are and the better the competition, the better the other faceoffmen will be.

[beckham0237]

I know its about personal preference, but would doing a faceoff in a kneeling position(one knee forward at like a 90 degree angle and one knee diagnol backwards with chest leaning on forward knee but not resting on it) be acceptable and good form, as opposed to the crouching position that you have?

As in with one knee on the ground? If thats the case, no. When you place your knee on the ground it basically nulls your ability to step into your opponent to gain leverage and to stop the potential fastbreak. It would also significantly hamper your ability to get up quickly when the ball pops out. But if this is not what you mean, could you clarify a little more?

And jelly, why not just turn your move into a real jam? Since your big and strong it would seem like a good idea to just do a regular old jam.

[MadCowDisease]

Well, I have myself in a kneeling stance, but the back leg is more diagonal, not on the ground. Its sort of like what stance the thread-starter has but my right leg is diagnol going back and my chest is sort of leaning on my chest.

[JellyUK]

I was wondering, because generally, the older you are and the better the competition, the better the other faceoffmen will be.

Ah right. Yeah, i doubt i'll be able to use it much in competitive matches. Some of the faceoff dudes around here are sick, i wouldn't stand a chance, but i enjoy doing it in practise games and stuff :) Can't wait for uni lax though...

And jelly, why not just turn your move into a real jam? Since your big and strong it would seem like a good idea to just do a regular old jam.

I had a look in this thread, and couldn't find any info on a jam. I googled it, and all i could find was a pretty lame explanation, sounds like generally pushing into your opponent, keeping their stick head from the ball with yours and clearing the ball to a team-mate. Is that about right?

Mods/creator etc, sorry for cluttering up this thread, once i have my answer, please feel free to delete posts or whatever :)

[faceofflax15]

Ah right. Yeah, i doubt i'll be able to use it much in competitive matches. Some of the faceoff dudes around here are sick, i wouldn't stand a chance, but i enjoy doing it in practise games and stuff :) Can't wait for uni lax though...



I had a look in this thread, and couldn't find any info on a jam. I googled it, and all i could find was a pretty lame explanation, sounds like generally pushing into your opponent, keeping their stick head from the ball with yours and clearing the ball to a team-mate. Is that about right?

Mods/creator etc, sorry for cluttering up this thread, once i have my answer, please feel free to delete posts or whatever :)
You think your cluttering, what you posted help other members in the future, If you want some cluttering, read some of my posts.

[gigo567]

Okay, so I like face-offs. But I am small. I am like 5' 7" or something around there and I am going to go up against some Seniors.(I am a freshman)

For facing off I usually go Motorcycle grip and get low when I clamp and rake it out fast. Any other tips to avoid getting knocked out of the way and stuff. I really want to face-off but I think my size might be holding me back.

[stinisonfire]

Use your size to your advantage gigo.. learn to stay low, do half clamps and win it quickly by a rake or push instead of trying to outmuscle the guy like a lot of other f/o mids do. I'm only 5'8, so don't let height play a factor.

If a guy is just trying to push you over, stand up and get the ball. If he's already over from trying to jam you, the only way he can go with the ball is back, so just get up and find the ball (which should be right under him).

[faceofflax15]

Okay, so I like face-offs. But I am small. I am like 5' 7" or something around there and I am going to go up against some Seniors.(I am a freshman)

For facing off I usually go Motorcycle grip and get low when I clamp and rake it out fast. Any other tips to avoid getting knocked out of the way and stuff. I really want to face-off but I think my size might be holding me back.
If they are a lot bigger than you, be ready for them to just try to take you out, get extremly low, maybe reconfigure your stance to get very, very low. And take out their knees, clamp, helmet into their knees, go.

[laxkid891]

another thing i have found helpful when facing off when ur small is using the laser move....u just pop the ball out and move out the guys way....he falls over from trying to jump and hit u....and theres an automatic fastbreak for you

[beckham0237]

Okay, so I like face-offs. But I am small. I am like 5' 7" or something around there and I am going to go up against some Seniors.(I am a freshman)

For facing off I usually go Motorcycle grip and get low when I clamp and rake it out fast. Any other tips to avoid getting knocked out of the way and stuff. I really want to face-off but I think my size might be holding me back.

You could try raking or lazering to get the ball out quickly too.

[beckham0237]

Ah right. Yeah, i doubt i'll be able to use it much in competitive matches. Some of the faceoff dudes around here are sick, i wouldn't stand a chance, but i enjoy doing it in practise games and stuff :) Can't wait for uni lax though...



I had a look in this thread, and couldn't find any info on a jam. I googled it, and all i could find was a pretty lame explanation, sounds like generally pushing into your opponent, keeping their stick head from the ball with yours and clearing the ball to a team-mate. Is that about right?

Mods/creator etc, sorry for cluttering up this thread, once i have my answer, please feel free to delete posts or whatever :)

Basically yeah thats all it is. When the whistle blows, you can either take your stick and drive it over the ball and into your opponents head (use the part of the shaft in between your hands to drive into him), or just pick up the head of your stick, and move it over and in front of the ball, keeping him from clamping down. When doing this you really want to barely skim the ball as your moving over it, to minimize time. Once you have him "jammed" you can pull the ball to yuorself or to a wingman. If you jammed with your shaft, be careful to not accidentaly rake your shaft over the ball, and if your jamming with the head of your stick, make sure you pull the ball out at a 45 degree angle through your legs, and ALWAYS drop step with your LEFT foot, to box out the opposing faceoff man.

[truste1]

I don't know if asking here will get the most responses, but oh well!

I want to take some more faceoffs this year, as I didn't faceoff too much last season. All of the faceoff head threads I've found have been for FOGOs but I plan to take the faceoff and stay on. My current head is a Truth which was great for indoor and stuff - I like the pinch and the weight since my shaft is light. The only problem was the scoop and flexibility - two things that I think could pose a problem when facing off. So, basically, what head would share the same good characteristics of the Truth (lightness, nice pinch - in fact mine was pinched some more too) but correct the flaws (durability, nice scoop.) I want to have a head that will be good for facing off but also be good when I'm just playing, or if I went and played attack and stuff.

edit: my shaft is a serpent sc-1 so I really want to prevent top heaviness.

[faceofflax15]

I don't know if asking here will get the most responses, but oh well!

I want to take some more faceoffs this year, as I didn't faceoff too much last season. All of the faceoff head threads I've found have been for FOGOs but I plan to take the faceoff and stay on. My current head is a Truth which was great for indoor and stuff - I like the pinch and the weight since my shaft is light. The only problem was the scoop and flexibility - two things that I think could pose a problem when facing off. So, basically, what head would share the same good characteristics of the Truth (lightness, nice pinch - in fact mine was pinched some more too) but correct the flaws (durability, nice scoop.) I want to have a head that will be good for facing off but also be good when I'm just playing, or if I went and played attack and stuff.

edit: my shaft is a serpent sc-1 so I really want to prevent top heaviness.

I too stay on after the faceoff.
I like torques for faceoffs. Not a bad head for faceoffs at all, can compete with any head on the market today. I also think the PP isn't bad for faceoffs, its just not my playing style [outside of faceoffs].

[truste1]

Yeah I was thinking about getting a torque. Is it flexible enough for me to pinch the ball into the back of my stick on a clamp but allow for me to get it out with an easy flick of my wrist? Light enough for me to not have a top heavy stick, and easy enough to scoop without going all the way down (I'm tall so it's uncomfortable), etc.

[faceofflax15]

Yeah I was thinking about getting a torque. Is it flexible enough for me to pinch the ball into the back of my stick on a clamp but allow for me to get it out with an easy flick of my wrist? Light enough for me to not have a top heavy stick, and easy enough to scoop without going all the way down (I'm tall so it's uncomfortable), etc.
Si Senor.
It's a great overall stick.

[faceofflax15]

Damn it faceoffs; Broke a damn 'nother one.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[truste1]

So I'm going to try the Torque out. The scoop looks a little...intimidating, to say the least. I don't know, it's just awkward looking.

[faceofflax15]

So I'm going to try the Torque out. The scoop looks a little...intimidating, to say the least. I don't know, it's just awkward looking.
It does look weird, But I liked it.

[lancerlax3]

has anyone tried an asylum?

[stinisonfire]

Keep tactic/instructional questions on the thread we're on...

RIT, GeorgieMid and the others who have helped have made a great thread about HOW to win at the X.



If you have equipment questions, come to this thread
http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=45108

[RIT37FO]

uh oh big brother is watching

[pantherLax]

Is jam and a jump the same thing?

[RIT37FO]

negative, the jump is jumping over the ball blocking your opponents clamp.
a jam is just raming your hands either into the ball or head to try and stop your opponent.

[GBaschski]

Hey guys, can you give me some advice on how to improve my reaction time? I've gotten pretty fast lately but when I'm working out on the whistle I seem to have reached a plateau in my reaction speed.

[RIT37FO]

you can
1. record wistle blows and take face offs on the play back
2. have a friend say down GO
3. light chops over the ball will also help

[truste1]

so today we played full field since it's a holiday just for fun instead of doing drills and stuff, so I went straight to x to work on faceoffs instead of to the wing. I lost I think the first one, maybe the first two but then I just started to stick to jumping and won all the rest that I took. Though it seems kind of awkward when I have my stick over the ball and the other kids stick on top of mine as a result of his clamp, and I'm not really sure what to properly do after I've beaten his clamp. It pretty much just came down to me muscling for the ball and eventually I'd get it out. Do I just need to be faster or is there a certain technique I'm supposed to do after beating a clamp? Thanks.

[RIT37FO]

not exactly sure what you are saying there but it sounds like you are winning with the jump then he is just pinning your stick down.
Some refs will call with holding on him some refs will call with holding on you for not pulling the ball out.
so I recomened pulling the ball out faster rather than battling if at all possible. you say you beat the clamp then u should be able to pull it out behind you as soon as you are jumping

[truste1]

once I've successfully beat his clamp with the jump, should I be pushing the ball back between my legs or 'reverse clamping' the ball and trying to rake it out?

[RIT37FO]

the reverse clamp will take time and doesnt always work and is easy to mess up. best go out the back and box him out for it

[faceofflax15]

Try to box him out or Just pull the ball back, kinda like the opposite of a push persay, And run back and get it..

[truste1]

Today I went against a kid with a pretty quick clamp (he kept beating my jump except maybe 1 or 2 times, but when I punched it worked out a little better) but once he'd clamp he'd pretty much just dive into me and we'd both end up on the ground and neither of us knew where the ball had gone. What's a good way to go against this? I just started to push back but this didn't result in any one person winning, it just delayed the amount of time before we were both on the ground. I thought about just stepping to the side after the whistle so he'd fall down, but if that didn't work it'd look really bad. Any suggestions?

[faceofflax15]

Today I went against a kid with a pretty quick clamp (he kept beating my jump except maybe 1 or 2 times, but when I punched it worked out a little better) but once he'd clamp he'd pretty much just dive into me and we'd both end up on the ground and neither of us knew where the ball had gone. What's a good way to go against this? I just started to push back but this didn't result in any one person winning, it just delayed the amount of time before we were both on the ground. I thought about just stepping to the side after the whistle so he'd fall down, but if that didn't work it'd look really bad. Any suggestions?
Get a good base and don't fall.. Or, like you said, side step and be ready to play some good ole defense.

[faceofflax15]

Hmm, I might be switching to Moto Grip. This might be intresting.



Dun Dun Dun.

[truste1]

What made you decide to do that?

[RIT37FO]

beacuse its proven you become 30% cooler when you use the moto grip.









actually you can get lower and use more power

[pantherLax]

Would your jump be little slower, since it would be a pulling motion when going over the ball? I kind of thought so, so i never thought to try the moto much. Or maybe im just stupid lol.

[faceofflax15]

What made you decide to do that?

Well my damn k18 gloves are so damn sticky with the palms and with the tape I use, its friggen impossible to have a quick arsenal of moves, but I really didn't want to switch, so I lowered the tape intake. I miss my tape amount though, it defined me. I really don't think k18s are good for faceoffs, call me crazy when I'm saying a glove is good/bad for faceoffs, but its so sticky, its like it slows down some of your moves...It's weird.

beacuse its proven you become 30% cooler when you use the moto grip.









actually you can get lower and use more power
Thats a complete lie.. Haha, What makes you think that though
Because I've never, ever heard that.

[faceofflax15]

Well, on a fun notes.
I'm now being trained on faceoffs from a guy who went d2 on a scholarship for lax for faceoffs, played semi pro in canada. He's my coach and he's hardcore trained two other people, one is a juinor this year for brother rice and is sick, and the other is going to Notre Dame next year for faceoffs.

I'm thinking I'm going to like this.

[manup5183]

Well, on a fun notes.
I'm now being trained on faceoffs from a guy who went d2 on a scholarship for lax for faceoffs. He's my coach and he's hardcore trained two other people, one is a juinor this year for brother rice and is sick, and the other is going to Notre Dame next year for faceoffs.

I'm thinking I'm going to like this.

Very random but if i hadnt moved, I would have been going to brother rice or seaholm.

[faceofflax15]

Very random but if i hadnt moved, I would have been going to brother rice or seaholm.
Brother Rice is a great, great, great school.
I went to their rival school Detroit Catholic Central first semester last year..
Hated it, would go to Brother Rice in a heartbeat if I could, its quite the drive though.. I might try to convince my parents into letting me next year as I'll be driving.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Hmm, I might be switching to Moto Grip. This might be intresting.



Dun Dun Dun.
Hm