South Aussies

[Shooter McGavin]

How many SA players post here?
I notice there's a lot of Vic talk on this board ... lets get some LAX SA talk going.

Who's going to WIN the 2007 Lax SA men's league title ???

let's hear your views / predictions and why???

[Warriors26]

biast but woodville i think we were the strongest team leading up to the finals and had we made it i dont doubt we would have gone all the way. The guys who are older know there time is nearly up and i can tell they are hungry for a premiership. oh and the return of Peter inge probably helps other then that Burnside was a surprize and Brighton have the youth to get to the finals

[wittyno12]

Another biast view here...but Glenelg will win the league premiership next year and ill go as far to say Glenelg will have a clean sweep in senior grades which we narrowly missed this year by winning league and b grade but losing the reserves grand final...we have the best mix of experience and youth in the state and alot of competition for league spots. warriors26 you might say woodville is the best team leading into the finals but the game we lost to you guys the only game of the yr we lost by more than 1 goal..and at ur home ground with alot of injuries....Burnside beat us in the last MINOR round game by 1 goal to very luckily win the minor premiership, but their luck ran out in gf

[Shooter McGavin]

I agree with you!
The word is out that the Warriors are hungry for another title and the players have laid down the challenge for 2007. The 2006 finals race would have been interesting indeed had the Warriors edged past Brighton on points as they certainly were the form team heading into finals time, however it was not to be and congrats to Glenelg - enjoy it while it lasts. By all accounts the warriors will pack a pretty strong line-up much like the premiership side of 2005.

[bluedevil49]

Maybe Sturt will.... maybe we won't. Ah yes, the great roller coaster ride of lacrosse at Sturt. We pretty much have the same 15 players every year, but a different 15 players from week to week.

All of the other teams are aware of the uncertainty that is Sturt. If all 15 turn up to a game , ready to play, you know that we are hard to beat. Your'e all also quite aware of how rarely this occurs.

Ever heard of the phrase "once in a blue moon"? I wonder if the blue part actually refers to Sturt?

[Waps]

Oh yeah love the roller coaster. Keeps it interesting.
The devils had the potential this year, we beat all the top teams throughout the year but couldn't keep the consistency week to week.

[AusD]

BURNSIDE!!!! Glenelg robbed us in both games we didnt show all we had, next season will be revenge

[lax.com.au]

East Torrens can only improve, but im still cut nobody actually gave us a wooden spoon. Someone from north adelaide told me it was covered in dust and mould.... you can hold on to it for next year lads.

[lukeoz]

I think it will be between Woodville and Glenelg, with Sturt the dark horse. Brighton have been blessed with immense talent for god knows how long but they don't seem to be able to pull it together at the highest level, so I doubt they will do it in 2007 either.

[bluedevil49]

we didnt show all we had
Why not?? Surely if you had more to show, then the GF is the place to show it.

[Shooter McGavin]

If anyone wants to be a part of the undefeated '07 Grand Final Championship team ... sign up for Woodville for the 2007 season

[bluedevil49]

Have you guys ever had an undefeated season?

I can only remember West Torrens doing that, for 2 years in a row. 92, 93 and half of 94 before half their team played over in Manchester. Thinking about it, Sturt was the last and first team to beat them at each end of their record streak.

[Shooter McGavin]

I'm 99% sure one of our 5 in a row was an undefeated season. Our Defence kept oppositions to under 10 goals and the attack scored 20 or more every game but a couple. Next seasons team line up, although a few years older now, will look some what the same as the 5 in a row team. 5 in a row and 6 premierships in 10 years is a reasonable return. Not many players can claim to have played in 6 premiership winning sides ... and the guys are hungrier than ever for another this time around.

[lukeoz]

I'm 99% sure one of our 5 in a row was an undefeated season. Our Defence kept oppositions to under 10 goals and the attack scored 20 or more every game but a couple. Next seasons team line up, although a few years older now, will look some what the same as the 5 in a row team. 5 in a row and 6 premierships in 10 years is a reasonable return. Not many players can claim to have played in 6 premiership winning sides ... and the guys are hungrier than ever for another this time around.

1999 was our undefeated year
nearest anyone got was five goals
included a 38-7 win over burnside

season 1999 (http://www.warriorslax.com/1999/mleague.html)

oz

[Shooter McGavin]

love your work Oz!

[aussielax]

1999 was our undefeated year
nearest anyone got was five goals
included a 38-7 win over burnside

season 1999 (http://www.warriorslax.com/1999/mleague.html)

oz

Haha I think i was at that burnside match.

[lukeoz]

love your work Oz!

only for you howler

[shocks043]

yeah boys......that game definately hurt......if i remember correctly that was the first BLC / Woodville match of that season - you guys had something to prove and my word it was definately proved.........

lessons learned hey !

[shocks043]

by the way - woodville getting a goalie next year to let the cannon back into attack ?

[shocks043]

i have to admit - after thinking about it - next season could be very close for the top 5. i see Glenelg, Woodville, Sturt, Burnside being very competitive.....Brighton may struggle a little with lacking team work...

However who will win the flag.....i think Woodville have a great chance with the erturn of peter....however all 4 will have tight - hard games in the upcoming season....

let the good times roll !

[cannon]

surely Sarge could come back again?>

[Warriors26]

surely Sarge could come back again?>
who knows?? he is gone walk about havent seen him all year infact cannon you could follow me and make the journey from vic to sa and i am sure we could fit you into a leauge goalie position somewhere!!!

[cannon]

mate ive thought about it!

[bluedevil49]

Yeah, you'd look great in a Devils uniform.

[Warriors26]

Yeah, you'd look great in a Devils uniform.
Get out i was poaching him first!!! and plus i understand him i also barrack for the roo's in the AFL just like the cannon

[cannon]

go roo boys!

pete we're are going to kick some arse soon!

[shocks043]

chris, pete, cannon - i think you'd all suit maroon......???

[cannon]

What's the average payment per game like in SA??

[bluedevil49]

What's the average payment per game like in SA??
I'd say we have to pay around $10 - $15 per game that we play. :naughty:

[bluedevil49]

chris, pete, cannon - i think you'd all suit maroon......???
Nah, clashes with my hair.

[Warriors26]

You might get a beer if your lucky!!!
As for maroon... sorry shocks green goes with my eyes

[shocks043]

hey Pete, nothing a little eye liner wouldn't fix...

ha ha ha

[Warriors26]

hey Pete, nothing a little eye liner wouldn't fix...

ha ha ha

So thats how you guys at burnside run around is it with some make up???

Shocks how is Burnside looking to make a indoor team at this rate i know woodville can

[shocks043]

hey pete, i have spoken to Ant about Woodville / Burnside with possibly ETP also combining for a box team.....we will need to confirm numbers - if we can get 16 players we would be looking at a good team....

[Warriors26]

hey pete, i have spoken to Ant about Woodville / Burnside with possibly ETP also combining for a box team.....we will need to confirm numbers - if we can get 16 players we would be looking at a good team....

16 players thats a lot well i know of 6 maybe 7 plus a possible first time goalie who is willing to play from woodville

[shocks043]

yeah - however i am not sure how many that say they are interested now - will still remain interested in january....

[Shooter McGavin]

Hey shocks ... the Cannon will be back on the park for Woodville in '07. Charles Manning was awesome in the cage in the last handfull of games of '06 when we hammered the top 4 teams just before finals ... and will be in the cage for '07. And I can't wait to dust off the cannon and fire some into the corners ... we should have a pretty strong lineup in '07.

[lax.com.au]

For anyone interested, results and stats are up from last weeks indoor @ www.laxscene.com.

The schedule on the site has not been confirmed, but should be soon.

[crack20]

i ref to petes comment about woodville interesting to go through stats on gillys website that pete/james combine for rd 1. score 11. set/assit6 of 17 goals. rd 2. score 14. s/a 7 of 22. rd 3. score 10. s/a 3 of 17.Dont get me wrong they are both great guys/players but what are you other guys doing on offense i mean thats just what the stats say. Still i love your d whip when ya movin clubs

[crack20]

gilly looking for that spoon yeah check the fridge at the club

[lax.com.au]

once you find it crack, dont worry about dusting it off, just send to west torrens.
we never wanted it anyway.

[crack20]

no worries corrier just picked it up

[lukeoz]

us other guys are passing it to jimmy and pete!!

[lukeoz]

can anyone from glenelg tell me if there's a newer website than the one that is listed on lax SA website? i think the old one hasn't been touched in about 5 years!!

[lax.com.au]

glad you asked oz.

im working on it as we speak!!

time for beer and footy.

[Warriors26]

i ref to petes comment about woodville interesting to go through stats on gillys website that pete/james combine for rd 1. score 11. set/assit6 of 17 goals. rd 2. score 14. s/a 7 of 22. rd 3. score 10. s/a 3 of 17.Dont get me wrong they are both great guys/players but what are you other guys doing on offense i mean thats just what the stats say. Still i love your d whip when ya movin clubs

Moving clubs just isnt my thing crack. On the Inge Brothers, they are simply a level above. The both get in the right posistion and put there shots in the hardest area for the goalie to save. others are having shots and passing the ball to other players but the finishing has been sub standed. Although saying that Playing Burnside this week (18 - 9 woodville victory) Jarrord Pangrazio in his 100th League apperance bagged 5 Micheal Santi 4 Jimmy 4 Pete 2 Stefan Guerin 2. The shots were a from high percentage areas and balanced power with placement. Transision is definantly a strength at Woodville this season, Fit fast and willing to carry the ball midfielders are proving to be a vital link to the attack line

[shocks043]

well all - now we are int the season and have seen most of what teams have to offer - any revisions to the final 4 for August 2007...

my call is (in no particular order)
Woodville
Brighton
Burnside
Glenelg
(with ETP and sturt knocking on the door)......

however - it is shaping up to be a good close competition.....

[Twiggsy_25]

hey shocks, from our last game together, i wudnt be counting us out either, we r gonna be pushing for 1 of those positions.
Twiggsy

[NALC24]

oh yeah gotta agree with twiggsy on this one^^^

[lukeoz]

with only two rounds in the season this year (scandalous!), early losses have hurt sturt and north adelaide and they would have a mountain to climb if they are going to crack the top 4... they will need to beat at least two or three of the top five sides to make the finals ... sturt could do it with their aussie box players returning to the team, but i think it's beyond north adelaide for this season ... if etp cause a couple of upsets i think they could be in with a chance... round 7 etp v burnside might shape the final 4 ...

but i think the top 4 at the moment are most likely to be the top 4 at the end of the minor round!

[lukeoz]

well, east torrens defeated burnside - quite convincingly - on the weekend ... which has made the finals race a bit tasty ... the finals spots might not be decided until the last game when they meet again!!

anyone know the west torrens v glenelg result from saturday?

gilly, is it possible to change the front page of laxscene so that it has a different competition from the super league of earlier this year?

[lax.com.au]

We are definately up for a very interesting next 7 rounds!!!

Woodville and Glenelg look to have cemented their positions in the top 4. Brighton have travelled well in the first round, but may loose a number of key games due to player inavailability. The big fight will remain between burnside and etp, both needing to cause some upsets in the 2nd round to secure a place in the finals.

it should be noted that due to rule 11/13 (the fielding of 2x u11 and 2x u13 teams), ETP will most likely only be rewarded 3 points for each of their wins. This puts us 1 game behind already, and roughly another game behind come end of season.

As for laxscene, i shall make it select randomly one of the league comps from each state until i get a bit of written content up there. Do you (or anyone else) have any photo's they would like to put up on the site, if so pm me or drop me an email.

gilly.

p.s, did anyone see Courtney Hobbs on the SA Sports Show on c31 Friday night?

[lukeoz]

what is the 11/13 rule? i don't think any club in SA has two u13 teams... does it mean you need at least one of each u11 and u13?

didn't get to see courtney on the telly, didn't hear about it until you said so!! as it is my reception of channel 31 is quite ordinary

if i get any photos i will send them your way!

[lax.com.au]

yes basically as i understand it, clubs are required to have two under 11's, and two under 13 teams. these may be boys or girls teams.

i also beleive that over time the association intends to build this up to cover under 15's and under 17's.

looking for the document relating to this, will link to it if i find it.
if anyone knows more on this, please let us know more.

where do other clubs stand with their juniors? we worked very extensively at school clinics in term 1 and ran a big schools lightning carnival at our club, but unfortunately we did not succeed in converting kids to play.

[dedwards]

we worked very extensively at school clinics in term 1 and ran a big schools lightning carnival at our club, but unfortunately we did not succeed in converting kids to play.

Same for us at WT.

[lukeoz]

it is a very difficult task, and to some extent requires a bit of luck... but you will see some clubs that have no difficulty in recruiting, while others have a real hard time... if you look to WA some of their clubs now have 2 teams in each division... it might be worth finding out what they are doing... ETP have a school right over the fence, how many kids do you have from there? i think it's about building good relationships with schools and maintaining a strong presence... not spreading too thin over a lot of schools but focussing on a few and doing a good job

charles manning's kids go to grange primary school, mind you it is a big school maybe 500 kids, but we now have 47 juniors from that school alone ... we also historically have had many come from st michael's too

if a school you go to don't get much in the way of kids or aren't very helpful, then move on to another place until you find them more receptive, then build a strong relationship with them

in some ways the rule is draconian but i think it is necessary, and it will be punish some clubs for a couple of years, but necessity is the mother of invention and you will find that when you desperately need a solution you will find one that works well and you will be back on track, and the competition will be healthier for it

[lax.com.au]

oz,

the school over the fence has not been used as a school for as long as i can remember, and is now just offices for a government department, something related to teaching in the area.

There is a day care centre there too, but they may be a little young to be playing.

cheers for the info.

[wittyno12]

Our juniors are quite solid being the only club to have a team in every grade.........It sounds like alot of other clubs have done alot of work in the off season to get juniors but havent converted with sucks....it seems to me that most of the juniors play because one of their mates is playing thats why it's hard to convert players from schools without lacrosse players. So if your coaching and see one of your players bring a mate to watch or something jump right onto it and tell him he's welcome at training

The under 15 team i coach is based on getting players this way

[dedwards]

you're never too young ... or old

[lukeoz]

witty is on the right track though, you can potentially double team numbers if an existing player brings along a mate

[Waps]

yes basically as i understand it, clubs are required to have two under 11's, and two under 13 teams. these may be boys or girls teams.

i also beleive that over time the association intends to build this up to cover under 15's and under 17's.

looking for the document relating to this, will link to it if i find it.
if anyone knows more on this, please let us know more.

where do other clubs stand with their juniors? we worked very extensively at school clinics in term 1 and ran a big schools lightning carnival at our club, but unfortunately we did not succeed in converting kids to play.

We are the same Gilly, Kim and Mark Norton (and others) have put in a lot of time as they do every year but we just cant get kids to sign up. The u11 and u13 comps need to run on a different night/day so as to not clash with other bigger sports.

[dedwards]

... and they're more likely to keep playing if they're mates are playing as well.

[wittyno12]

... and they're more likely to keep playing if they're mates are playing as well.

Yeah and lets face it all kids would rather play with good mates from school etc makes it alot more fun....we need to targer schools where alot of players come from and keep them coming a good example is brighton high they have lots of players to go to both brighton a nd glenelg.....

[lukeoz]

i don't think changing the day of the comps will provide a big enough difference, and it will mean an extra day of commitment from players who coach these teams... you just need to find a winning formula when it comes to recruiting ... it might require a bit of homework in terms of scouting schools for large student numbers and with teachers willing to promote the sport, but it should pay big dividends in the end

[lax.com.au]

So..... Two Big games this weekend

Brighton vs Glenelg @ Brighton Oval

Sturt vs Burnside @ Sturt

Who is going to come out on top?

[lukeoz]

they could go either way!!

my tips are Glenelg and Sturt

[lukeoz]

well burnside are back on track with a sound win over sturt

i think that with east torrens not getting full points for wins due to not having enough junior teams, that the final four will be brighton burnside glenelg and woodville

the business end of the season is not far away now!!

[dedwards]

So, how many clubs will acctually have boys and girls 11, 13 & 15 teams next year????????

Might only be a couple of clubs in the senior ranks playing for full points.

[DOMMA72]

Good point, demerit points designed to motivate clubs to recruit, some clubs have always been good at it, some needed a kick in the ***, some don't seem to try

got some good people at burnside working hard on recruiting, think we'll be ok

[bluedevil49]

Then there are other clubs that have put in a lot of effort for very little result. A lot kids at the clinic's like lacrosse, but not as much as football and soccer. I would guess that parents get tired of having to drive them to so many sports and eventually get the kids to choose one. Unfortunately for Sturt, it's rarely lacrosse that's chosen.

So how are these clubs rewarded for putting their time and effort in to these clinics? That's right, they have their points removed**.

**Would only effect Sturt if we were actually winning games.

[shocks043]

i think that the junior programming and success of our sport needs to be managed in a much more efficient manner.
One of the biggest problems is the availability of quality - experienced coaches to get into schools and sell our sport.
We - as a state body - should look at developing and selling a schools comp...targeted at the high schools that already have interschool rivalries (private schools - larger public schools - etc)
they have facilities and the funds
Lacrosse SA would have to promote and manage this - which would also combine the services of those extremely valuable club people that can do the juniors work - all working for the same goal.....
then you can have those schools in a clubs area registered and manged by that club....ie Burnside enters junior teams as Maryatville H/S and Pembroke.....etc

that then puts focus from schools on lacrosse the schools pushing kids to "school sports" equates to them promoting lacrosse for us.....

[shocks043]

back to the thread.....

if we can keep building on form - it will definately be an exciting finals this year

my tip for end of minor rounds finish
Woodville (1)
Glenelg (2)
Burnside (3 / 4)
Brighton (3 / 4)


as for the finals
the patriot in me sees woodville's first loss being in the grand final to the bears...in overtime....

mind you boys - every game is going to be a tough battle

which is good for our comp.......

[lukeoz]

wouldn't you rather beat us by 20 goals?!! ;)

[lukeoz]

Then there are other clubs that have put in a lot of effort for very little result. A lot kids at the clinic's like lacrosse, but not as much as football and soccer. I would guess that parents get tired of having to drive them to so many sports and eventually get the kids to choose one. Unfortunately for Sturt, it's rarely lacrosse that's chosen.

So how are these clubs rewarded for putting their time and effort in to these clinics? That's right, they have their points removed**.

**Would only effect Sturt if we were actually winning games.

I don't doubt the efforts that clubs like Sturt and ETP put in to recruit juniors, and would definitely feel frustrated by the poor results. I feel it is a matter of how the recruitment process is done rather than the amount of effort put in. I think it would be best to see what a club like Brighton or North Adelaide does, they seem to be able to get truckloads of kids through.

[shocks043]

ha ha ha ha

nice fantasy - but to be honest - no......

gotta give the punters a show mate !

then to the bar for G/F boat races !

[lukeoz]

boat races are something we definitely need to see more of! i think we actually have a trophy around for that very purpose!!

[shocks043]

yeah... i seem to remember woodville and burnside paddling over one a while back also....

we have the frustration cup with sturt...ha ha ha

met for a drink and a lacrosse game broke out hey !

[DOMMA72]

Like some ideas pass around instead of competing with football, have a school/junoir season after football has finished Oct to Dec
A lot of footyplayer don't play a summer sport
True shocks private schools could be very good candidates for such a comp

[lukeoz]

what schools do the juniors you currently have go to?

these are the schools you should focus on and make a big presence there, rather than spread thin over a lot of schools

i think a school competition would be really good, but i think in term 1 before the season proper, maybe a five week comp so that it leaves them wanting more

as it happens St Michaels and Adelaide High are having informal ad hoc inter-school games ... pretty much organised by the kids themselves ... we should look at how they are going about things

i think that with the player registration forms that kids should put down what school they attend, and what grade, so that a school competition could be better organised

at the end of the day though, i think juniors should remain on saturday mornings in winter... it's no point having it on sundays or summer if they prefer footy or soccer as when they leave the junior system they will more likely leave lacrosse all together for their preferred sport ... we need to get kids into lacrosse, get them loving the sport and making it their preferred sport

surely lacrosse is a fun enough sport to sell itself ... we just have to show a product to the kids (and their mates) to prove to them what a great sport it is!! and really, getting about 8 kids at each year level out of a pool of thousands is achievable ... just have to use the right methods

the u11/u13 rule might be a pain in the arse and a lot of hard work but it's for our own benefit to make sure we get the numbers going through to become the senior players who will win club premierships and go on for state and national honours

[lukeoz]

ETP with a big win over Brighton on the weekend?? I imagine Brighton would have been missing a few over at the U19s. It probably won't affect Brighton's spot in the top 4 but it has made the race for the last spot heat up again, methinks!

[shocks043]

it is definately going to be a tight run home between ETP and Burnside, looking at the wins and points.....that last game between ETP and Burnside at Burnside is going to be an important one for both clubs.....

and it's the Alby Fewster game !

should be an exciting day in the park......

[lukeoz]

see our girls won the nationals on the weekend... that makes it 20 of the last 22 national championships!! us fellas need to lift our game!

[bluedevil49]

The best in the state have to want to play at that level in order for us to have a shot at the title. As for 2007, we need to actually have a national championship in which to compete.

[snake]

The best in the state have to want to play at that level in order for us to have a shot at the title. As for 2007, we need to actually have a national championship in which to compete.

There is an ALL national championship this year. Vic is holding tryouts for the next 3 Sundays.

[shocks043]

unfortunately boys - just cause the vics are having try outs does not mean it is so.

thay may be covering themselves IF it goes ahead......

however lets hope that a National Tournament - in what ever format does definately proceed !

[cannon]

I was certain that the ALL got the go ahead for another 2 or 3 years? When did it become uncertain?

It is certainly on the LA Tournament Calender

[NALC24]

however lets hope that a National Tournament - in what ever format does definately proceed !

yes lets hope a national tournement does go ahead,

[lukeoz]

there was a short article on hannah nielsen in yesterday's sunday mail, did anyone else read it?

[a_seahawk]

well all - now we are int the season and have seen most of what teams have to offer - any revisions to the final 4 for August 2007...

my call is (in no particular order)
Woodville
Brighton
Burnside
Glenelg
(with ETP and sturt knocking on the door)......

however - it is shaping up to be a good close competition.....
Hows your prediction going now. Warriors and Seahawks are dominating. Only the Bays have gone close to Woodville this year.

[a_seahawk]

Lets talk finals.

Whose idea is it to have the GF on astroturf???

All year teams have NOT been playing on astro turf (although there has been a rumour West Torrens may have played some games at their new ground). WHY would you plan to put the GF away from other lax grounds? WHY would you play the GF...the game that pulls the crowds...at a venue where no club or even the association will benefit from takings from the bar/canteen? WHY would the GF better at a ground with minimal facilities for large crowds?

It does not make sense to this lax player...who possibly will play in the GF all going well...that the game is played at a non-lax club/ground.

What do YOU say???

[laxdude136]

i totally agree, there has been talk that that might happen in vic and i think its stupid. its not an easy transition going from grass to astro so it wouldnt benifit anybody, in a playing sense and also a financial one

[dedwards]

We at WT are working with the hockey club to get more lacrosse played on their turf.

Currently, the turf doesn't get used from sept - april so there's the oportunity for outdoor soft lacrosse, men's superleague, women's STX, Masters league etc etc. If you have any idea's, send me a PM.

There's also the oportunity to schedule some games during the winter on a saturday or sunday (as long as we can book some dates before Hockey SA do their programming).

Woodville have already had a chat with the hockey guys to hold some practices on our turf before the GF.

[lukeoz]

it's probably a bit late to raise this issue now and change the venue (or the fact that it will be played at night) ... at least it will be the same conditions for both teams

but it does mean that one club will miss out on revenues that is now going to the hockey club ... plus apparently the hockey ground is charging a fairly hefty premium for use of the ground for this day as well

anyway, this time around we can try it out, see how it goes, and make a decision for future years based upon the outcome!

ps no idea whose idea it was, but it probably rests with the men's competition director or someone else at the board ... all the same this could have been raised as an issue the first time it was mooted!

[bluedevil49]

The decision does rest with the men's comp director, but he always gets a decision from a vote by all the clubs. I know it was suggested for this year to have it at the same location and on the same day as the Women's League final as a showcase of the best teams in Adelaide.

Whose idea is it to have the GF on astroturf???

Your Club....

....along with all the other clubs at that MMC meeting. It is a trial to be reviewed along with the rest of this season in particular the 14 rounds v 18 v 21 debate.

[lukeoz]

IMHO I need to play more than 14 rounds to drop the weight that I gain over the summer!

[skin11]

hey there is that chris D, if so I was just wondering what your thoughts were on how the 2003 box team rated compared to this years.....SKINNY....

[skin11]

Is that chris? its skinny how goes it?

[lukeoz]

all right lads

well the junior teams rule has claimed its first victim ... burnside land the fourth finals spot over ETP by one point despite winning two fewer games

this will definitely hurt east torrens for a good season's effort but i think it will only serve them really well for the future as they will make sure they will have their junior teams next year as a matter of priority ... and i think sturt will too if they want to push for a finals spot next year too (they very nearly upset us on saturday) ... it is tough on the clubs, but the extra recruiting effort might get you the players that win you league premierships in the future and it will help ensure the future of your club as well as the game itself in SA

as hard as it is on a sport run by volunteers this rule is a necessary evil!!

[dedwards]

WT are only playing for 3 points as well, as we don't have the required girls teams.

We recruit the girls but don't have anyone experienced to coach them, so they often stop playing. We have one (very social) B-grade womens team and our most experienced player has a grand total of 4 years experience. Accordingly, we have a 15 year old coaching the u/11 team.

Not surprisingly, the best junior girls that we have move to other clubs who offer them better opportunities (both coaching & playing).

Next year we'll have to field 3 girls teams, and won't have anyone to coach them properly.

Coincidently, Sturt & ETP are in a very similar situation.

[lukeoz]

you may need to have some of the men coaching these teams ... do any of your senior men have daughters of juniors age?

[shocks043]

what about the Varga's (sorry about the spelling)......are any of the old west torrens associated women available ?????

get 'em back from retirement...or even if they are playing for other clubs, they can still support WT by coaching....

[shocks043]

to add - west torrens had a strong family heritage, surely they have not all vanished ?

[dedwards]

to add - west torrens had a strong family heritage, surely they have not all vanished ?

The Varga's are all at Brighton now.

[lukeoz]

interesting ... the Lax SA website has pulled the men's league fixtures from the website

does this have anything to do with the fourth finals spot? can anyone shed some light on the matter?

[bluedevil49]

I think that ETP are challenging the 11/13 bylaw at the sports commission. I'm pretty sure that the hearing is for this afternoon.

[lax.com.au]

this is correct.

not entirely sure how this is related to the league stats being pulled from the lacrosse sa website, but im sure it will all come to light soon.

[lukeoz]

what is ETP's argument for their place in the four, apart from having won more games?

it looks like there is a similar situation brewing in victoria with MCC and Camberwell

i am pretty sure that the rule has been common knowledge all season ... there is no point in having such a rule if it is not going to be applied and having the very effect we are seeing now

but whether the rule is in place or not, i think in the long run if clubs are not putting into junior recruitment then in time their senior sides will suffer anyway, the strong clubs will remain strong and the struggling clubs will continue to struggle, or even more so ... which would make one year's finals appearance seem somewhat frivolous

in the mean time i think struggling clubs should be able to apply for an exemption at the beginning of the season (by the grace of the competition director) so that every club knows the score before the first game

such clubs given an exemption (which should be in extraordinary circumstances) must fulfil certain strict conditions (ie minimum number of teams in certain grades for the current season and future seasons)

obviously some clubs have more success than others in recruiting, some clubs have more volunteers than others ... it's up to the club to get its own volunteers and players must realise this ... maybe the club has to set rules for members in terms of putting back into their club

as for recruiting, i think that the struggling clubs should be given priority help from the LSA development officer ... apart from that, they will have to model their recruiting from more successful clubs, and also realise that they will have more to gain from investing in kids now and go through a lean patch in terms of senior success than focussing on short term senior success and risking the club collapsing from underneath

[shocks043]

luke - exceptionally good points and well said all round mate...!

[dedwards]

WT have applied the model Brighton gave us and it works very well for the junior boys.

HOWEVER

The plan relies on having experienced and succesful senior players to help develop the kids skills and keep them interested etc. If you don't have them, the plan doesn't work and the kids leave the sport.

As it is currently, WT, ETP & Sturt are so far behind the womens recruiting that it is almost impossible to satisfy the 11:13:15 rule in the next few years.

One option is to just drop our senior womens lacrosse team (who haven't won a game this year), but as explained to Lax SA, this doesn't help the sport at all and we'd prefer not to.

[lukeoz]

this is where an exemption or a review of the by-law should be looked at

west torrens, north adelaide and east torrens only have one senior women's team each, and they are in B grade ... also sturt's only senior women's team is in reserves ... so i would imagine most of their players have not played too long, probably don't have the knowledge or skills to pass down to younger players, and/or probably do not have lacrosse as a major part of their lives and so would be dedicated to bringing through junior talent

this is where clubs can apply for a special exemption for the 11/13/15 rule

i would recommend that these clubs must have the required boys' teams as they have enough senior men's teams... as for the girls teams, they must have at least say an u11 team, then in two year's time an u11 and u13 team, and in four years' time u11 u13 and u15 etc which means that they only need to worry about recruiting small groups at a time but also make sure they retain the players they recruit ... some sort of short, medium and long term goals must be set and adhered to

i think a b-grade player would be perfectly able to coach u11 or even u13 teams ... clubs must work hard on their women's teams to get volunteers

...

so anyway, does anyone know what the ruling was at the sports commission?

[salaxer]

check the laxSA web site now for the League fixture. Burnside in, ETP out! Would be interesting to find out the grounds on which ETP appealed, and the basis for the decision against the appeal!

[lukeoz]

i would have been very surprised if ETP had won the appeal considering the 11/13 rule has been common knowledge this year and has been reflected in the Lax SA website's tables ... also if they had won this appeal then every team from this year on will contest the same rule with this as a precedent ... this won't be good for the future of the competition

what would have been interesting is that if instead of deducting 1 point for each win to a team that has less than the required teams, if adding 1 point for each win to a team with the required teams like they do in Victoria would have let ETP through with 36 points (9x4) to Burnside 35 (7x5) ...

i am sure this would have hurt ETP and you have to feel for them in that respect with such an improved season this year but i am sure that this will only make them stronger and give them more resolve to both recruit more juniors and improve their league position next year ... win win situation

so the system in place has worked, it has claimed its first victim ... now every club has been put on notice ... hopefully next year we will see all clubs competing for full points and maybe we will see the benefits in years to come with more senior teams and a stronger competition

[lukeoz]

back to the issue of junior recruiting ...

as part of the programme of this year's under 15 national championships at Brighton LC, there are a number of seminars being held ... one that i think will be of enormous value is the one being hosted by Geoff Hallion regarding recruiting juniors to lacrosse ... Geoff's former role as junior teams coordinator at Brighton has paid huge dividends, as can be seen by the abundance of junior teams at their club as well as their continued success. I think that every club should send someone along to learn his methods. As there will be reps from interstate as well, I am sure it will be worthwhile for them to come along too.

At the same seminar is a presentation on the success of Modcrosse in WA

more info can be found by clickinghere (http://www.brightonlacrosse.com.au/history.html)

note that the dates posted on the website have recently changed, the dates for seminars 1 and 3 have been swapped so that the junior recruiting seminar is now on Monday 1 October at 5pm

[ryan.lax]

Sturt!!!!!! -RyZor-

[lax.com.au]

Any scores from the Anzac Day games (grand final replays) ?
Mens: Woodville vs Glenelg
Womens: Glenelg vs Wilderness