View Full Version : State Premiership winner playoff.
snake
10-25-2006, 12:33 AM
I would love it if the VIC State League Premiership team played against the SA League Premiership team and the WA premiers. That way we could find the best 1st grade club team in Australia.
Does anybody have any ideas on who might win such an event going by the 06 premiers?
(attempt to stay biased free...I'm from Eltham but have no idea what the other winning teams were like in 06)
aussielax
10-25-2006, 01:41 AM
Eltham would win Vic state league is the highest standard in Aus and I think Camberwell and Surrey could both beat SA premiers Glenelg. I'm not sure about WA but i still don't think any of the teams from WA would be able to beat eltham or willy for that matter.
12345
10-25-2006, 03:28 AM
Eltham would win Vic state league is the highest standard in Aus and I think Camberwell and Surrey could both beat SA premiers Glenelg. I'm not sure about WA but i still don't think any of the teams from WA would be able to beat eltham or willy for that matter.
And USA will win the '06 Worlds because they have the MLL and the strongest college competition.
cannon
10-25-2006, 03:38 AM
Not really a good analogy 12345. A better analogy would be a top Division One NCAA team would beat a top Division Two NCAA team. It's not going to happen all of the time, but it will sometimes.
Going by the weight of numbers of Vics that have been in the 2003 and 2006 World Cup's, ALL wins (in a full strength year) you have to conclude at the moment that Vic has a slightly better quality of teams.
But essentially I'd love to see this kind of thing happen as a replacement to the ALL in World Cup years. I think it would be a great way of showcasing the players that get lost in the lax wilderness. It would also be a cracking good reason to consume beer. Plenty of Beer.
laxorgy
10-25-2006, 05:29 PM
make it happen cannon
Costwill be a big factor in a tournament like this.
one way i think you can get around this is to add a levy to every senior players fees. a nominal amount of $20 for the three previous season should be enough. and evryone should be happy to pay it as everyone has a chance to play in the tournament.
i think you could almost guarantee that every Aussie Teaam player would play too, as the common concerns in a world champs year of cost and energy would be alleviated
whistleblower
10-25-2006, 06:09 PM
Its a wicked idea and hopefully one that could work very well....A possibility early on to build this and get Very Good sides together could be to combine a squad of 20 that could be made up from the 2 competiting finalists teams from each state...
For example - Willy and Eltham combine together to make a team to play the WA and SA grandfinalists.
I realise this takes away from the idea of Australian Club Champion. However it involves more people and more clubs and therefore creates a bigger DEAL across Australian Lacrosse!
fightinirish
10-25-2006, 06:53 PM
I think you victorians in here seem to be writing off the idea that WA and maybe SA have sides of the quality to potentially beat willy or eltham. In WA for instance there are only 5 division one teams which obviously concentrates the standard of lax. Fewer teams equals more good players in each team. I think you would find the standard would be closer then you think.
cannon
10-25-2006, 07:07 PM
Perhaps Irish,
In fact SA have more SL teams than Vic.
Only one way to find out eh!
Corduroy
10-25-2006, 07:14 PM
Irish,
You're joking right? Fewer teams equals 'lack of depth'. As a measure you could look at the recent Aussie Team where the 23 Man unit was made up of 15 Victorian boys representing 5 clubs. There's not a snow flakes chance that the WA or SA state teams would even give Eltham or Willy a nudge let alone your best club team.
Peace
Roy.
Shooter McGavin
10-25-2006, 08:00 PM
Yeah this sounds like a damn good concept ... lets start it in 2007 when Woodville have won another Lax SA championship. We had some great pre-season hit outs against Eltham a while back but haven't done it for a few years (need to start this tradition again). They were great games, it's always good playing against a team with a slightly different style and players you havent seen before. We've got some quality players in our side, would be a good match up.
bluedevil49
10-25-2006, 10:38 PM
Yeah this sounds like a damn good concept ... lets start it in 2007 when Woodville have won another Lax SA championship. We had some great pre-season hit outs against Eltham a while back but haven't done it for a few years (need to start this tradition again). They were great games, it's always good playing against a team with a slightly different style and players you havent seen before. We've got some quality players in our side, would be a good match up.
I beat these games would have been great to watch. Espcially considering that the 5 consecutive years that Woodville won GF's, happened to be the same 5 years that Eltham lost GF's.
It's a great concept. I would love to see it happen. In Canada each year they have the Presidents Cup for the Senior B box championships. Each territory/province sends their respective winner except the host province/territory which has the 1st and 2nd place winner attend.
A week of round robin games then 1st plays 2nd, 3rd plays 4th and 5th plays 6th.
Could do the same here. 4 teams and a 4 day comp could work
Hally
10-25-2006, 11:05 PM
i think we should put this to our respective associations and see what they think
fightinirish
10-26-2006, 12:33 AM
yeah so 15 guys across 5 teams is pretty good spread but you forget that the 4 WA reps in the aussie team came from 2 teams so the maths aint that different and the WA boys played pretty important roles in the aussie team from what i saw.
i agree that willy and eltham would probably take the best from WA and SA, but to say that the teams from WA wouldnt give those teams a nudge shows a great lack of respect to these two states considering they have never actually played in this form.
Minotaur
10-26-2006, 12:36 AM
This concept has been put to the VLA a number of times, especially promoted by Eddie Toomey in recent years. It's a great idea that I think could be a potential hilight on the Australian lacrosse calander. Let's get all the state associations on board....just need the logistics worked out, when, where, etc.
bluedevil49
10-26-2006, 01:13 AM
I'm sure that there would have to be a review of the ALL in the next few weeks. (The ALL programs have a feedback questionaire in it) so I think now would be a great time to raise this great idea.
endoftheline
10-26-2006, 01:40 AM
You could try to get Lacrosse Australia involved and try and bring a lot of prestige to the event. That way it would be more incentive for people to play well during the season. So that it becomes not just a little bonus tournament but a major honour which you play towards.
thunder_15
10-26-2006, 01:54 AM
u could do it but it would never happen. too much money needed
cannon
10-26-2006, 03:10 AM
Good to see some support for this.
This and a number of other things are I think a step in the right direction.
I like the ALL concept but it needs some refinement. This I think just might make lax a little more interesting in in Aus.
lax.com.au
10-26-2006, 08:21 AM
i would like to call it 'the laxscene invitational'
If the tournament was played in adelaide (in the middle), and the victorian team travelled by bus, that would already elliminate a large amount of the costs.
If played on grass, no expenses need to be spent there, charge $5 entry, bar sales could be promoted well. Mix this in with the biggest lacrosse pub crawl ever, and you have yourself one hell of a weekend!!!
The only hard part that I see in all this is getting the WA team to a-town.
cannon
10-26-2006, 10:30 AM
The only hard part that I see in all this is getting the WA team to a-town.
cargo plane
Hally
10-26-2006, 05:17 PM
im from vic bus is alot cheaper but it usually means u have to take an extra day off work. if it is a invitational teams should make there own way there however they want.
the tournament should be held at the end of the seaon so it be called a 'end of season trip' (4 days of hard drinking) plus abit of lacrosse on the side. i understand people want this to be a serious tournament but some of the best lacrosse players i kno love to drink aswell as be a top player.
if the associations dont want to be involved i think it could stil be done without there help
fairy
10-26-2006, 09:09 PM
im from vic bus is alot cheaper but it usually means u have to take an extra day off work. if it is a invitational teams should make there own way there however they want.
the tournament should be held at the end of the seaon so it be called a 'end of season trip' (4 days of hard drinking) plus abit of lacrosse on the side. i understand people want this to be a serious tournament but some of the best lacrosse players i kno love to drink aswell as be a top player.
if the associations dont want to be involved i think it could stil be done without there help
makeup ya mind hally- either you want this idea to be a goer with the backing of the state associations to showcase great lacrosse- or ya want an end a season drinkin event- true lotta top players luv a drink, but really the committed ones have the maturity to keep the 2 activities temporarily separated-at least till the games r ova
i say put it out there for the admin bodies to examine-
Hally
10-26-2006, 09:32 PM
i want it to be both is that a problem. r u saying u cant be committed or mature to drink and play lacrosse
thunder_15
10-26-2006, 09:41 PM
yeah and its still only 3 teams. which equals not many games. and if u have 2 teams go over if the team that came second beat teh team that came 1st then they would be a bit of contreversy and stuff. so nah i dont recon they should do it. sorry for not surporting
lax.com.au
10-26-2006, 10:03 PM
i hate to say it thunder_15, but who would travel interstate to play lacrosse, and not want to have a beer with the competition afterwards, it just doesnt happen.
bring on the pub crawl!!!
cannon
10-26-2006, 10:22 PM
maybe we should scrap the lacrosse and just have 'boat races' in the off years.
rule one...you must drink the home team's ale of choice. this basically rules WA out as Emu Bitter is feral. SA is lucky that it has Coopers. We of course have Carlton Draft.
Australian Beer League, the sport of the future.
aussielax
10-26-2006, 10:24 PM
I'm thinking it should be a bit of both serious for the players to show a good exhibition of Australian lacrosse and a massive piss up for all the fans just because it's fun. I'm liking the idea of having it adeliade that way i can drink coopers and not everyone will pay out on me like they do over here.
bluedevil49
10-26-2006, 10:53 PM
Top 3 teams play each other. After that 1v2 playoff for Aussie title. 3rd team plays host states number 2 team. There is no overtime. Tied games are sorted by 15 player boat races.
aussielax
10-26-2006, 11:03 PM
Top 3 teams play each other. After that 1v2 playoff for Aussie title. 3rd team plays host states number 2 team. There is no overtime. Tied games are sorted by 15 player boat races.
Nah 16 man, the goalies already get out of running so they ain't missing out on the boat race.
bluedevil49
10-26-2006, 11:08 PM
I just said 15 because our teams only have 15 each week. I'm sure someone would go twice.
Hally
10-26-2006, 11:18 PM
Top 3 teams play each other. After that 1v2 playoff for Aussie title. 3rd team plays host states number 2 team. There is no overtime. Tied games are sorted by 15 player boat races.
ITS SETTLED THIS THE WAY ITS GOIN DOWN
snake
10-26-2006, 11:41 PM
Top 3 teams play each other. After that 1v2 playoff for Aussie title. 3rd team plays host states number 2 team. There is no overtime. Tied games are sorted by 15 player boat races.
I think that would be a great format. it could change states each year. Could even goto Sydney or Hobart and they could put in the 4th team. This would boost lax interest in Sydney and Hobart.
How do we get this going?
aussielax
10-27-2006, 12:26 AM
I think also if the competition gained popularity it could be expanded to have the top 4 teams from each state, But that may take a while.
old'D'man
10-27-2006, 01:44 AM
4 teams too many, weekend tournament would mean no holidays needed, u want as close as possible to the premiership team. What about the state that's holding the games, thier premiers club billets the interstaters? better repore between teams aswell. 3 states means only 2 games each + final, weekend easy, cheap and up and running, make it grow over time
laxorgy
10-27-2006, 02:10 AM
good idea old'd'man, why is that so many people are in favour of it, but no person in the associations has raised the idea. its clearly the way to go in world cup years, i reckon world cup players would jump at the chance to play that comp for their respective clubs. i back cannon in saying that you would see alot of players who are unseen at a higher level. You would also get to see alot more players play their natural games. But that just me
lukeoz
10-28-2006, 03:29 AM
The idea of having a national club championship is an awesome idea in theory, but I think many of the best players would simply be unavailable to play due to work and/or family commitments, or cost. That is why we have representative state teams, as there is a greater player pool. I think if WA were not in consideration then it might be tangible to have a championship between the best teams from SA and Vic but it would be terribly unfair to exclude WA.
However, I think what we do need in Oz is a national club invitational one-day tournament, maybe an 8-a-side or even 6-a-side, only open to club teams (not tournament teams). They do this in Bath in England every year as a pre-season thing. This year there were 33 teams from all over the country. It would be a great social event and a more feasible way of gauging your club's strength against those from interstate.
lukeoz
10-28-2006, 03:31 AM
further to this, if it happens that the premier clubs of each state bring out teams to this tournament, it may be possible to stage a full 10-a-side champions game on the other day of the weekend that the tournament is being run, if only for being an exhibition game...
drag0nblade25
10-28-2006, 06:31 AM
I think that would be a great format. it could change states each year. Could even goto Sydney or Hobart and they could put in the 4th team. This would boost lax interest in Sydney and Hobart.
How do we get this going?
I like that idear, this would be my only chance to see some aussie lax... Unless i go on hols to vic or something like that...
lax.com.au
10-28-2006, 10:00 AM
i agree it would be good to have all clubs invited, that way everyone can get involved. (including wooden spoon clubs)
associations dont want to touch this as they have enough trouble organising their own competitions.....
lukeoz
10-29-2006, 05:53 AM
it doesn't have to be hosted by an association, just one (or a group of) willing club
lax.com.au
10-29-2006, 08:17 PM
So which adelaide club is willing to host the '2007 club invitational'.
ETP and Wooville, and most likely West Torrens are out as they have little access to grounds outside of the winter season.
North Adelaide, Glenelg and Sturt all have access to grounds, what about Burnside and Brighton?
When does each state have its grand finals. SA had it on sep 9th this year, which seems a bit earlier than usual.
AFL Grand final is 29th of September 2007. This gives us something to work with.
Creaseman
10-30-2006, 05:29 AM
I think this is a wonderful idea...but like all things there is some concerns when it comes to Cash...
But there are ways around it...just need to come up with the best solution.
drag0nblade25
10-30-2006, 06:14 AM
A good way to get a bit extra money for the comp is to get a few people to film the games from different angles *on the benches at halftime* *behind nets* *sidelings* *ect...* and then put it together in a DVD with all the games on it, separated by chapters of course.OR sell game by game DVD's for those who just want one or 2 games.
But have full games, no cuting like on the E-lacrosse videos :nono:.
Then sell it, have pre orders at the tourni
Of course the cons of this idea is that you need some volenteer camera men and someone to spend the time putting the video together...
Just a though let me know wat you think and by all means improve on the idear and share any pros and cons you see any :thumbsup:
Edit: and if you wanted there could be a misc part with random clips from the social aspect of the tourni like the pub crawl or just messing around before games and going to games... i dunno, im just throwing ideas as i get em lol
thunder_15
10-30-2006, 08:59 PM
yeah so we could have everyone whos watching hold a camera and then all edit it afterwards
drag0nblade25
10-31-2006, 09:00 PM
lol everyone thats watching? thats alot of editing :monkey:
You have 3 people 2 behind nets (one each) and one on the sideline, then if wanted the guy on the sideline can go between team huddles at half time ect.
Anyways its just an idea weather or not you guys do it is up to you.
thunder_15
11-01-2006, 01:02 AM
i didnt mean to come out that way. but what im saying is theres not even that much camera work in ALL. so yeah i dont think this thing should be treated as a higher privilege to play in ALL. its still not a "state" playoff if u noe wat i mean
drag0nblade25
11-01-2006, 01:08 AM
i didnt mean to come out that way. but what im saying is theres not even that much camera work in ALL. so yeah i dont think this thing should be treated as a higher privilege to play in ALL. its still not a "state" playoff if u noe wat i mean
Nah man that makes perfect since, its all good.
TheDungaStyles
11-02-2006, 12:31 AM
We recently hosted NSW down here in Tassie for a weekend of lax and drinking. We tried to get some interest from Victorian club teams to make it a four team comp but Vic were a bit half hearted about it. We played all games on world class wet astro turf and had refs down from adelaide, bar open after and during games, unreal weekend. We are looking at holding it again next year, hopefully tas, nsw plus one from vic and one from S.A. or possibly QLD. We also had a dude film the game and edited with slo mo replays etc from one camera-its pretty much as good as the ALL stuff ive seen on the telly, except the guy only used one camera. For the record Tassie Titans beat NSW 17-11.
Dunga