Wings and Kyle Harrison

[mcourtne]

I remember Kyle Harrison was drafted by the Wings last year and he decided to take a year off and start this season, but I don't see him on the Wings roster. Does anyone know if he will be playing in the NLL this year? Did he get traded?

[RockStar]

......Did he get traded?

Likely cut or quit.

[Hooligan]

Kyle Harrison will never play box lacrosse. Magically, every November, he has some nagging injury that he just can't kick until May, when the MLL starts. Go figure.

[sirlaxalot125]

I dont think box reflects his play style.
He likes those big runs and doesnt like to get in traffic.
Also hes not a physical guy.
I love Kyle to death but he probably will never play box.
Next time I meet him ill ask him

[fsflaxer30]

Kyle Harrison will never play box lacrosse. Magically, every November, he has some nagging injury that he just can't kick until May, when the MLL starts. Go figure.
He's only been out of college for like two years though...

besides if I had a sketchy injury I damn sure wouldn't go and get mercked in box, when I'm used to no one being able to hit me

[mcourtne]

Kyle Harrison will never play box lacrosse. Magically, every November, he has some nagging injury that he just can't kick until May, when the MLL starts. Go figure.

Is that what happened this year?

[CHSlax]

Think about it hes a talk and lanky fast kid. He's a great player but he wouldn't be that good in box lacrosse. I think he knows that and I don't think he really cares either.

[WHEELAX2]

getting drafted by the NLL with no box experience is about as smart a concept as going to the NFL combine having never played football. maybe not that extreme, but NCAA lax and the NLL are not even in the same ball park (literally)

[RockStar]

getting drafted by the NLL with no box experience is about as smart a concept as going to the NFL combine having never played football.
IIRC, Harrison and Christmas were drafted as mid second rounders.

When you look at it, many second rounders don't actually make a game day roster or if they do, don't play significant minutes anytime soon after being drafted. With this in mind, picking Harrison was arguably worth the gamble.

[#15Roadies]

"about as smart a concept as going to the NFL combine having never played football."

Unless your name is Vince Papal... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Papale)

OK, OK, he played high school football, you know what I mean... :wow:

I think a better analogy might be a soccer player going to play rugby...

[dougm]

nll gm's/coaches are willing to hold a spot for a newbie if he shows that he really intends to learn the game. mike regan's nll carreer began w/ albany where he was the only american on the floor. he was an impact player in his rookie season so it was not a gift. you listen, you look, you learn, you'll get a shot. it is very hard for field studs that have been treated like god's gift to walk onto an nll floor and feel like a complete dork. they'll get a ribbing from the cdn vets - and an elbow if they're not watching - but you'll get the respect if you show the game respect as well.
if a player can't accept that - don't waste our time.

i do want to add one caveat - some coaches are more open to american development than others.

[mcourtne]

I think Kyle is a great athlete and I’d love to see him play for the Wings.
I like the rule changes this year limiting cross checks in the back and to the head and neck. I especially like that they are not allowed to cross check someone who doesn’t have the ball. I think this is more in line with the game played in Canada…? I’m not sure about that. Anyway, I'm thinking these changes may make it easier for field players to make the transition to box and more willing to risk their necks to play after college.

[RockStar]

.........I like the rule changes this year limiting cross checks in the back and to the head and neck. I especially like that they are not allowed to cross check someone who doesn’t have the ball. I think this is more in line with the game played in Canada…? ............
Nah. Some NLL refs assess penalties for giving a dirty look to the opponents.

In Canada, it's dirtier, uglier lacrosse. They let the men sort it out on the floor, and as long as the head is still attached, there's no penalty.

[livinglegend]

I I like the rule changes this year limiting cross checks in the back and to the head and neck. I especially like that they are not allowed to cross check someone who doesn’t have the ball. I think this is more in line with the game played in Canada…? I’m not sure about that. Anyway, I'm thinking these changes may make it easier for field players to make the transition to box and more willing to risk their necks to play after college.

In any canadian lacrosse offball contact is legal. The ONLY league in canada where it is now illegal is the NLL and you were right it, the only reason they insitgated this rule, and are also looking at 4 on 4 play is so the game opens up more and theres not as much close checking so american field players can play. I dont agree with this at all, try to sell box lacrosse and not a cheap tennis court version just so american college heros can play.

side note the big nets were also put in place because of the american invasion into the nll. watch a mann cup game and look at how little room there is to shoot but you still see the same type scores.

sigh

[dougm]

its not like every american can't play box. but there has to be a 2-way street btwn the player & mgmnt. the problem is why should a field stud become a clipboard holder and why should a mann-winning cup be teaching intoductory boxla? if more teams/players would put away their prejudices and just grow together, we can get more yanks successfully playing box.
i made a recent posting concerning the owner's response on the practice squad, that it was up to the player to show development on his own. if that is becoming the new procedure to develop players, that have no background, then few will ever succeed. the practice squad was not intended to bury cdn box raised players from the waiver wires but to develop and teach. i swear some teams seem to go the extra mile and some just don't.

[#15Roadies]

Here is what I would like to know... I haven't seen the text of the NLL rule stating that off-ball crosschecking is illegal, so I am fishing here, but...

It doesn't say off-ball contact is illegal, just the crosscheck. Now... without getting into a splitting hairs debate... I think there is a difference between and good ol' crosscheck and a pushcheck. So as I understand it, a D guy can still get in the way and bump and push the O guy around off-ball, he just can crank him.

Is this correct?

[RockStar]

......... So as I understand it, a D guy can still get in the way and bump and push the O guy around off-ball, he just can crank him.

Is this correct?
Correct in my understanding. Basically, legalized obstruction/interference within 3 yds of loose ball, but no "Kill Zone".

[#15Roadies]

No, I am talking about off-ball obstruction and close-D more than 3 yards away from the ball carrier. Is that still legal?

[RockStar]

....Is that still legal?
I'm not sure that it ever really was legal. Tolerated to a point certainly, but not really legal. Have to look it up. Might have been written as the rules for contact on picks.

Anyone who's read the NLL rulebook, will know it's actually hard to tell what's legal and what's not! It's only about forty pages long, and much of this is tied up with the basics (boards, floor markings, goals, shot clock, etc) and the administrative stuff (officials, coaches captains, etc. and what they can do).

The game play and infraction/penalty sections are very thin, and (probably) still contain contradictions. (There is also the issue that any two given referees can watch the same play and find a completely different ruling!)

On that, If a more comprehensive NLL officiating manual exists, I would pay to get a copy. Anyone?

[dougm]

Anyone who's read the NLL rulebook, will know it's actually hard to tell what's legal and what's not!The game play and infraction/penalty sections are very thin, and (probably) still contain contradictions. (There is also the issue that any two given referees can watch the same play and find a completely different ruling!)


i concur in that alot of the rules are discretionary and one person's pinprick is another machete strike. we need to get the refs all on the same page re: rule interpretation which has long been a source of discontent among all.

[mcourtne]

In any canadian lacrosse offball contact is legal. The ONLY league in canada where it is now illegal is the NLL


sigh

In Canada, I thought you could only hit a player without the ball inside the 24 foot half circle in front of either goal.


http://www.redbirdslacrosse.com/Floor%20Markings%20Diagram.pdf

[slinkyspine]

In Canada, I thought you could only hit a player without the ball inside the 24 foot half circle in front of either goal.


http://www.redbirdslacrosse.com/Floor%20Markings%20Diagram.pdf
Correct. The 24foot is the only place where off ball contact is not a change of possesion. Also the contact is verylimited in the 24.. and refs are very strict about crosschecks and bodychecks in the 24 foot.

[#15Roadies]

Incorrect. In Bantam and above you can make off-ball contact once the player has crossed into the defensive zone. At least that was the rule last year.

[Timbermen]

If anyone wants to look at the NLL rule book, just go to NLL.com (http://www.nll.com) and click on the "Lax101" link on the left. Scroll down and you'll see a link to the rule book. You can download it as a PDF. I think it's about 40 pages. RockStar is right though, the wording of the rules is fuzzy when it comes to contact rules. Probably one reason why this league is still struggling to get consistency from its officials.

[laxfrk22]

the best analogy for this would be like a nfl linebacker playin flag football.

[sirlaxalot125]

I asked him about why he wasnt playing indoor at his camp over this christmas break.
He said he didnt have the time to play with all the travel to promote stx and the K18 gear line. He also said that he saw the field version of the sport more traditional to lacrosse's origins. He also promised me that I will see him on an nll field forat least one game.

[#15Roadies]

"the best analogy for this would be like a nfl linebacker playin flag football."

Harrison, the "linebacker" playing NLL "flag football??"

No really, you gotta be kidding...right?

[ekajsk8er]

"the best analogy for this would be like a nfl linebacker playin flag football."

Harrison, the "linebacker" playing NLL "flag football??"

No really, you gotta be kidding...right?
I think it was more so the Mann Cup winners playing in the NLL where field influence is becoming a factor in the rules. The heavy hitters playing a softer, stricter game.

[dougm]

I asked him about why he wasnt playing indoor at his camp over this christmas break. He said he didnt have the time to play with all the travel to promote stx and the K18 gear line. He also said that he saw the field version of the sport more traditional to lacrosse's origins. He also promised me that I will see him on an nll field forat least one game.

i might be the only one not overly impressed by kyle. he is not ryan boyle, ryan powell or even roy colsey. i'd love to get his teamate, scotty urick, in camp for a spell despit the age difference.