Ever feel like you're gettin ripped off?

[TBAN1418]

Now, this thread isn't to bash warrior, i like there products and think they make some quality stuff. This is a thread to pretty much show how i feel were getting ripped off by lax companies in general.

http://hockey.lax.com/

Check it out, if you take a look at the sticks, and gloves ( the only things warrior is making) you'll see warrior dominates the price. Now the main problem i have with this is warrior is new to hockey gear (Right?). And it just doesn't feel right to me that a company can enter a new area and sell the most expensive equipment. I mean, all those other companies are selling quality products at a lower price. I dunno, maybe theres some hockey players here who can tell me what they think. Like I said, im not bashing warrior, im sure if any lax company entered hockey they'd have similar prices.

[NuKoN]

The short answer: Yes, just about every company that sells something rips us off, it's just to what extent..

EDIT: For the record, I saw a pair of gloves one dollar below the warrior kingpins.. but after that it was like a $20+ drop

[Live4It]

Now, this thread isn't to bash warrior, i like there products and think they make some quality stuff. This is a thread to pretty much show how i feel were getting ripped off by lax companies in general.

http://hockey.lax.com/

Check it out, if you take a look at the sticks, and gloves ( the only things warrior is making) you'll see warrior dominates the price. Now the main problem i have with this is warrior is new to hockey gear (Right?). And it just doesn't feel right to me that a company can enter a new area and sell the most expensive equipment. I mean, all those other companies are selling quality products at a lower price. I dunno, maybe theres some hockey players here who can tell me what they think. Like I said, im not bashing warrior, im sure if any lax company entered hockey they'd have similar prices.
I don't think they are too new to hockey gear, they've been around since at least '05.

[hcDevils391]

thats really new

[MainLax28]

yeah, they are kind of new, but so is RBK and Nike. And They own bauer, CCM, all of the other old companies except Montreal that I can think of. Warrior has also proven to have the best products in the field. Why shouldn't they charge alot for their stuff.

[lax4life6]

yeah, they are kind of new, but so is RBK and Nike. And They own bauer, CCM, all of the other old companies except Montreal that I can think of. Warrior has also proven to have the best products in the field. Why shouldn't they charge alot for their stuff.
where you getting your info from? Warrior basically just bought Innovative. RBk owns Koho, Jofa, CCM. Itech still runs itself, as does Vaughn. Brians is owned by a group that Mike Vaughn belongs to, and Easton still runs itself.


and as to warrior having the best products in the field? Don't make me laugh. Warrior will never beat out Easton for sticks, they'll never beat Eagle for gloves, and Nike/Bauer definately makes the best helmets.

[faceofflax15]

where you getting your info from? Warrior basically just bought Innovative. RBk owns Koho, Jofa, CCM. Itech still runs itself, as does Vaughn. Brians is owned by a group that Mike Vaughn belongs to, and Easton still runs itself.


and as to warrior having the best products in the field? Don't make me laugh. Warrior will never beat out Easton for sticks, they'll never beat Eagle for gloves, and Nike/Bauer definately makes the best helmets.
i dont think you can say that in a year or so when cascade busts out into hockey helmets.

[MainLax28]

where you getting your info from? Warrior basically just bought Innovative. RBk owns Koho, Jofa, CCM. Itech still runs itself, as does Vaughn. Brians is owned by a group that Mike Vaughn belongs to, and Easton still runs itself.


and as to warrior having the best products in the field? Don't make me laugh. Warrior will never beat out Easton for sticks, they'll never beat Eagle for gloves, and Nike/Bauer definately makes the best helmets.

Thanks for strengthening my point. All of the major players that we see today are owned by Nike or RBK. with the exception of Easton, which I forgot because I don't use much of their stuff. No one that I know except goalies uses Brians, Itech or Vaugh, even though they all do make player equipment.

Warrior does have the best stuff on the market. I have yet to see one of their sticks break from a defect, and not just general useage. You have no clue as to how many Easton sticks I have seen break above the middle of the shaft towards the top. A hockey stick should never break there.

Eagle gloves are way too overrated. They are not protective, and are not even that comfortable. I used them for an entire season, and I had black and blue fingers for almost the entire season. As a matter of fact, all gloves on the market right now suck as far as protection and durability go. I went through a pair of 8k's in two weeks, and the only pair of gloves I can use without injuring my hands are Rhinos which are just tanks.

As far as helmets go, warrior doesn't even have a helmet out, so why would that have any effect on this argument? Also wait until Cascade releases their helmet. Nike will be done.

[d-pole01]

Thanks for strengthening my point. All of the major players that we see today are owned by Nike or RBK. with the exception of Easton, which I forgot because I don't use much of their stuff. No one that I know except goalies uses Brians, Itech or Vaugh, even though they all do make player equipment.

Warrior does have the best stuff on the market. I have yet to see one of their sticks break from a defect, and not just general useage. You have no clue as to how many Easton sticks I have seen break above the middle of the shaft towards the top. A hockey stick should never break there.

Eagle gloves are way too overrated. They are not protective, and are not even that comfortable. I used them for an entire season, and I had black and blue fingers for almost the entire season. As a matter of fact, all gloves on the market right now suck as far as protection and durability go. I went through a pair of 8k's in two weeks, and the only pair of gloves I can use without injuring my hands are Rhinos which are just tanks.

As far as helmets go, warrior doesn't even have a helmet out, so why would that have any effect on this argument? Also wait until Cascade releases their helmet. Nike will be done.

i have to disagree with you there. ive had my eagles for 3 years now and have never had probleoms with them at all. ive been slashed many times in the corners and in front and still have not felt anything. just a quick question, what kind of eagle gloves did you have and what size? otherwise for hockey, a decent pair of gloves costs up 40 to 50 bucks and in lacrosse you need to spend up to 70 to 80 for an ok pair. and yes your post on the easton sticks is true, i havent seen more sticks break in the middle than eastons. cough SL cough. otherwise i think bauer is owning the hockey world with warrior just behind it. i think it should be interesting to see what they come up with next year such as skates and helmets. should be interesting.

[MainLax28]

i have to disagree with you there. ive had my eagles for 3 years now and have never had probleoms with them at all. ive been slashed many times in the corners and in front and still have not felt anything. just a quick question, what kind of eagle gloves did you have and what size? otherwise for hockey, a decent pair of gloves costs up 40 to 50 bucks and in lacrosse you need to spend up to 70 to 80 for an ok pair. and yes your post on the easton sticks is true, i havent seen more sticks break in the middle than eastons. cough SL cough. otherwise i think bauer is owning the hockey world with warrior just behind it. i think it should be interesting to see what they come up with next year such as skates and helmets. should be interesting.
I had the x70's and x90's in 15" and 14" respectively. When I got done with them, each pair was ripped to shreds on the fingers and palms and the thumb paddings were destroyed. A good pair of hockey gloves is a pair that is protective and flexible. I had the 8k's which were 125.00, and they were not protective since the sides of the fingers all ripped in 2 weeks, so my fingers would randomly pop out of the sides. I had them almost entirely taped up before I got rid of them. I would not reccomend any RBK or Eagle gloves to anyone.

[Jephman]

Warrior has a lot of players sponsored in the NHL. The players aren't going to be walking billboards for free, it costs money. Warrior has to pay them money, and guess where they get that money from? The consumer. The reason Warrior has players using their gear is simple, when a niave 10 year old hockey player see's his favorite player using Warrior gloves, and that oh so sweet green Mac Daddy stick, he is going to want it. Knowing almost every hockey parent in Canada, they are thinking if we are going to raise a future NHLer, we need to get him the best equipment, so they are going to buy it for him. Warrior gets paid, the players get paid, and the consumer is hopefully pleased with their product.

[d-pole01]

I had the x70's and x90's in 15" and 14" respectively. When I got done with them, each pair was ripped to shreds on the fingers and palms and the thumb paddings were destroyed. A good pair of hockey gloves is a pair that is protective and flexible. I had the 8k's which were 125.00, and they were not protective since the sides of the fingers all ripped in 2 weeks, so my fingers would randomly pop out of the sides. I had them almost entirely taped up before I got rid of them. I would not reccomend any RBK or Eagle gloves to anyone.
i see what your saying, do you see grippy sticks or something cause ive never heard of anyone going through gloves like you. i use a tps rubber and my gloves get ripped up by it and im planning on repalming them or getting the new bauers.

edit: if your looking for flexible and protective gloves i would go with the bauer XXX's. i have to agree with you that eagles arent very flexible.

[MainLax28]

i see what your saying, do you see grippy sticks or something cause ive never heard of anyone going through gloves like you. i use a tps rubber and my gloves get ripped up by it and im planning on repalming them or getting the new bauers.

edit: if your looking for flexible and protective gloves i would go with the bauer XXX's. i have to agree with you that eagles arent very flexible.
Nah, I use regular sticks. if I used grip models, I'd have to buy a new pair every month. Right now the pair I have has lasted me the entire season.

[sidewinder19]

....... No one that I know except goalies uses Brians, Itech or Vaugh, even though they all do make player equipment.

Brians and Vaughn dont make player gear.They are strictly goalie only.

[DutchyLacrosse]

Good luck on glorifying warrior.
Warrior's lacrosse products fail in my opinion.
For instance the mac daddies and superfreaks,
For both gloves, known issues:
- Palms rip like there's no tommorow
- Anatomical faults at the fingers
- Get's all banged up and ugly in a short amount of time
- Seams create blisters
- Price

And you are telling me that Warrior is going to make the best hockey equipment??

Let us not forget the players club series, the 6.0 SPs for instance.
You rake up a amount of 145 US dollars for them and you get a shoulderpad that is magnificantly bulky for it's price.
You can't wear them without a shirt under it, the seams will itch you to death.
The only plusses about them is that there flexible, protective and it makes 12 year old look like a power ranger.

EDIT: Warrior marketing is godly though, there's no way they could've sold so much without a great marketing scheme!

[faceofflax15]

Good luck on glorifying warrior.
Warrior's lacrosse products fail in my opinion.
For instance the mac daddies and superfreaks,
For both gloves, known issues:
- Palms rip like there's no tommorow
- Anatomical faults at the fingers
- Get's all banged up and ugly in a short amount of time
- Seams create blisters
- Price

And you are telling me that Warrior is going to make the best hockey equipment??

Let us not forget the players club series, the 6.0 SPs for instance.
You rake up a amount of 145 US dollars for them and you get a shoulderpad that is magnificantly bulky for it's price.
You can't wear them without a shirt under it, the seams will itch you to death.
The only plusses about them is that there flexible, protective and it makes 12 year old look like a power ranger.

EDIT: Warrior marketing is godly though, there's no way they could've sold so much without a great marketing scheme!
I hope to dear god that you are joking about the whole warrior freaks and mac's not being good, their palms may not be the most durable, but with tape any palms will go down and their palms have the best feel, but protection, they have the best protection, if warrior freaks and mac's, don't live up to high expectations of gloves, might i ask what does meet your mighty requirments, as every glove I can think of has a fault according to your reasoning.

[DutchyLacrosse]

I hope to dear god that you are joking about the whole warrior freaks and mac's not being good, their palms may not be the most durable, but with tape any palms will go down and their palms have the best feel, but protection, they have the best protection, if warrior freaks and mac's, don't live up to high expectations of gloves, might i ask what does meet your mighty requirments, as every glove I can think of has a fault according to your reasoning.

With Warrior asking 170 dollars for them, i expect them gold plated.
I have a couple of Brine Elements now:
- Not the greatest grip
- Not the greatest feel
- Not the best flexibility
+ Good fit
+ Great durability, little signs of wear and tear
+ Very cheap

I'm getting a pair of Gladiators soon and they're just as good as the mac's if not, even better and that at the price of 119.99.

EDIT: let's not turn this into a arguement and keep on topic.
It's just my opinion :grin:

[faceofflax15]

With Warrior asking 170 dollars for them, i expect them gold plated.
I have a couple of Brine Elements now:
- Not the greatest grip
- Not the greatest feel
- Not the best flexibility
+ Good fit
+ Great durability, little signs of wear and tear
+ Very cheap

I'm getting a pair of Gladiators soon and they're just as good as the mac's if not, even better and that at the price of 119.99.
I will agree with you on the fact that warrior is now going over the deep end of the pricing pool, however, so are other companies, who knows how much E2's will cost by brine, and your Glads, were discountued [I believe] therefore getting cheaper prices, I actually think you can get them for very cheap at masscloseouts.com. But warrior gloves are good, good palms, great fit, great flex, and dang good protection.
And I know lots of people who have purchased Warrior Kingpin's for hockey, and they are amazed by the flexibility that those gloves have for a pair of hockey gloves. Warrior does a good job with their products, just overchargers--which to survive, other companies will do so too.

[DutchyLacrosse]

I will agree with you on the fact that warrior is now going over the deep end of the pricing pool, however, so are other companies, who knows how much E2's will cost by brine, and your Glads, were discountued [I believe] therefore getting cheaper prices, I actually think you can get them for very cheap at masscloseouts.com. But warrior gloves are good, good palms, great fit, great flex, and dang good protection.
And I know lots of people who have purchased Warrior Kingpin's for hockey, and they are amazed by the flexibility that those gloves have for a pair of hockey gloves. Warrior does a good job with their products, just overchargers--which to survive, other companies will do so too.

Great post,
Yes, warrior gloves aren't bad but the prices are simply outrageous now.
and yes, other companies are following in warrior's footsteps by overpricing there equipment too.

[Irishlax22]

I dont think any lacrosse company is loosing money with the prices they put on goods. Honestly how much does it cost to make a set of lacrosse gloves? No where near 189.99$. So anytime you buy something you are getting ripped off. Just some rip you off more then others. It's called making money(Business). I think warrior bought a little hockey company that had great products, if im not mistaken and just put there name on the label. So they are not really new to hockey.

[faceofflax15]

I dont think any lacrosse company is loosing money with the prices they put on goods. Honestly how much does it cost to make a set of lacrosse gloves? No where near 189.99$. So anytime you buy something you are getting ripped off. Just some rip you off more then others. It's called making money(Business). I think warrior bought a little hockey company that had great products, if im not mistaken and just put there name on the label. So they are not really new to hockey.
Okay, buissness 101. when hearing what you say, it reminds of the South Park episode where Cartmen buys a amusment park.
while it may only cost 40 dollars to make a glove, they have to pay the people who cut out the fabric, the marketing employees, the players club, the mll sponsership, marketing, commericials, internet, ceo's, vp's, teams they sponser...They aren't making 100 dollars per glove, they have to pay a lot of people.

[Irishlax22]

Okay, buissness 101. when hearing what you say, it reminds of the South Park episode where Cartmen buys a amusment park.
while it may only cost 40 dollars to make a glove, they have to pay the people who cut out the fabric, the marketing employees, the players club, the mll sponsership, marketing, commericials, internet, ceo's, vp's, teams they sponser...They aren't making 100 dollars per glove, they have to pay a lot of people.
I never said they were making 100 dollars off every glove. I said they are not loosing money on the goods. Of course they make a few bucks off of it. ITS A BUSINESS. In order to maintain a succesful business, you make money. And when they have gloves, heads, shafts, clothing etc... they are bringing in alot of money. Sorry if i made it seem like they were making 100$ off every pair of gloves.

[faceofflax15]

I never said they were making 100 dollars off every glove. I said they are not loosing money on the goods. Of course they make a few bucks off of it. ITS A BUSINESS. In order to maintain a succesful business, you make money. And when they have gloves, heads, shafts, clothing etc... they are bringing in alot of money. Sorry if i made it seem like they were making 100$ off every pair of gloves.
and I'm sorry it seemed like I was directing that directly at you, the part about 100 bucks was towards everyone, and because lacrosse isn't huge yet, they need to charge more to make money off of it, enough money to support and pay their employees, as it gets bigger, the price may finnaly stay the same or decrease, but as for now, be ready to see an increase in price untill lacrosse is a major sport [in the worlds/america's eyes]. If it was bigger, they would make mroe money from each glove they sold.

But, warrior could afford to drop their price down to 150.

[Irishlax22]

But, warrior could afford to drop their price down to 150.
I think we all agree on that. :agree: